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@TheRealNihilist
While I don't think that all theists are mentally ill, religions certainly do draw the mentally ill to them.It is easier to write off theists as mentally ill but I doubt that is the case since I think they just have a severe lapse of judgement.
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Of course, that's how the human condition has evolved, exchanging ignorance for understanding, indoctrination for knowledge and stupidity for reason, all the things religion has plauged mankind for centuries.Although I imagine non religious people will eventually outnumber religious people, right now, this is not the case.
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@Alec
Of course, you're trolling, you can't honestly tell us you actually believe the article is true, only a complete bonehead would believe such idiocy.I'm not trolling. I think people in hell should be saved.
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@IlDiavolo
his teachings are so good that people made a new popular sucessful religion based on it, and this is a fact, no matter what you think about it.
Just like Islam, Scientology and the ECK cult, or any other religion, no matter what you think about it? lol
I can say the same thing about Islam, no matter how much I despise this religion. I mean, I have to be unbiased and stick to the facts, otherwise I'd be a fool.
Yet, you just showed you were biased (as a Christian), hence you must be a fool?
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@Wrick-It-Ralph
EtrnlVw takes that one step further and misrepresents our objective assessment of reality, just like my example above.To lie is to misrepresent your subjective assessment of reality.
you're making an attribution to my personal character and that is, indeed, a personal attack
No, it's a reference to being a newbie who is next to take on EtrnlVw.
I see you here doing the very thing you're accusing him of. What do you have to say to that?
Nothing of course, I'm doing no such thing. Wherever you get such a notion is obviously absurd.
But again, feel free to bang your head with E. Looking forward to it now.
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@Wrick-It-Ralph
No, they are blatant lies. For example, he claims consciousness is NOT a result of the brain and that science confirms it. Is that not an obvious lie? Are you actually saying that is a belief? Seriously?Just because somebody has a belief that you disagree with doesn't meant they're lying.
subsequent personal attack on me
Wtf are you talking about? I didn't attack you, dude. Get a grip.
Another deflection
No, it wasn't.
If you're not trying to win me over, then why are we even speaking right now?
Doesn't seem like you are. Seems more that you want to defend EtrnlVw's lies. Feel free. No one is stopping you. Why you would do such a thing is baffling. Are you another one of his sock puppets?
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@Wrick-It-Ralph
That's an appeal to justice
No, it's what occurs normally when people do little more than lie, they get ridiculed. I seriously doubt you have never ridiculed anyone for lying.
I'll believe that when I see it
You won't have to believe it when you see it.
Oh so you're a mind reader now?
No, just one of very many who have tried to get through to Et with reason, but he wants no part of that. You're next up, it would appear.
You agree and then you say but? tisk tisk. That sounds like special pleading.
Nio, it's simply the difference between what you would expect and what you'll actually receive. Feel free to continue discussing your beliefs with EtrnlVw, no one is stopping you.
You're not really winning me over here.
I'm not trying. I have no problem sitting back and watching the entertainment. Feel free to bang your head against the wall.
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@Wrick-It-Ralph
Does that permit abusive behavior?
Ridiculing someone who constantly lies and contradicts himself on a public forum is exactly what they deserve. There lies and contradictions are abusive to our intelligence.
Is he being rude?
He will get extremely rude, soon. He hates it when you show him his claims are as empty as his head.
Does calling somebody delusional help them gain knowledge?
He has never gained one shred of knowledge from anything anyone has ever explained to him. He doesn't care about knowledge, he only cares about peddling his lies and delusions. But, you'll find all of this out soon enough.
doesn't it follow that we should lead by example and come at it with our minds open and provide them with the answers they seek?
I couldn't agree with you more, but Et is not looking for answers, he believes he is our ultimate teacher, that we know nothing, that he has special knowledge we all lack that we must learn from him. If not, he'll get pissed off and start calling you names and tell you you're an idiot for not believing him. When was the last time you conversed with someone who claims they often speak with Overlords in other galaxies, and the conversations were reasonable, raitional and logical?
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argue anything I point out.
That's what we all do, so stop your complaining. Your lies and contradictions are being pointed out, that is what this forum is about. The real problem is that you hate others pointing out your lies and contradictions, so you throw hissy fits and complain of being harrassed. Of course, that's another obvious lie considering you post responses to me and the others you complain about. YOU are the actual troll here.
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@Wrick-It-Ralph
I understand your frustration with supernatural claims. But ridiculing him isn't going to produce much. I know from personal experience, lol. You got to give people the best answers possible and let them find the truth for themselves.
Most likely, we've had a whole lot more experience with EtrnlVw, this website and the prevoius (ddo) where Et has made claims he regularily speaks to Overlords and other Beings on planets in distant galaxies. That being one of his less delusional beliefs. He'll say one thing and then contradict himself, often in the very same sentence. Good luck.
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Malcharez sez...
Until then, the only way you will fear God is if you believe in him, or if he manifests himself.
Since the latter has never occurred, we are to act like small children and fear the boogieman under our beds.
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Is he one of your sock puppets? How would you know this? Do you know this is Archiholic from DDO who said he was a Christian?llDiavolo is not a Christian
If you read my posts, evolution of embodiments fits just fine with Theism and a Creator.
Your posts are pure fantasy and have no grounds in reality whatsoever.
look at how the environment was prepared, then came stars as heat and light sources as well as seeding the planet. Then you have the collection of galaxies and the formation of planets, isn't it ironic that planets are HOMES??
You seem to have absolutely no education, even high school where kids learn the natural processes of stars, planet and galaxy formation. Where were you all that time? Why is your head empty of facts and so full of baloney?
The problem, is asserting they take place without an intelligent conscious Being.
Yet, no such Beings have ever been shown to exist nor is there any indication in the processes of star, planet and galaxy formation any such thing. This is all just complete fabrications from your over active imagination. Science doesn't agree with anything you say. But then, you know nothing of science.
Why did you give up on spirituality just because you read a book on evolution?
That's called exchanging fantasy for fact, ignorance for information and stupidity for understanding. Try it sometime.
the Creator who manipulates energy, particles and elements which we observe through things evolving and the isolation of energy to create form
Another very obviousl lie, we observe no such things, you are hallucinating. Too much drugs.
we are dealing with existence that transcends the physical sense perception.
You just admitted to lying about observing those things. How stupid is that.
there certainly is an objective reality that transcends this one
And now, you just contradicted your admittance to lying with another lie.
spiritual faith is not just about believing in things for no reason and with no evidence
That is exactly what it is, believing in things for no reason and with no evidence based on the definition of faith. How can you be so dumb?
Faith is trust and confidence, and trust and confidence are developed. In order to have confidence and trust in something there must be reason, evidence and experience to do so
But, you have no reason or evidence, you have only your over active imagination, or too much drugs.
See and understand what is worth pursuing and ask questions here
Why bother, your answers are a pack of lies and contradictions.
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Every bit of that is bunkum, fantasy, no logic, rationale or commonsense whatsoever. Completely bonkers..only the mounds of evidence that exists within the experiential world of spirituality! that have been proposing things that are true about the origins of existence for a long, long time. You can ignore spiritual sources because you favor a materialistic interpretation but don't claim there's no evidence. The evidence that correlates with the nature of consciousness and the soul are overwhelming, this evidence falls within the category of religion, spirituality and transcendental experience. You can minimize and label that evidence whatever you want, even dismiss it but it's there and it has been there.Now moving beyond the evidence, there's still commonsense, logic and rationale. Since we know minds and processes go hand in hand Occam's Razor fits with Theism quite well so there's no real reason to assume or accept that there was no mind involved. At least not from the stance of commonsense and the available evidence.
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That is the classical ignorance from personal incredulity fallacy often served up by those who have no concept of how the world around them works and instead choose to rely on magical thinking, imaginary beings and delusions. There is this topic called, "Science" in which exists a method of understanding our world based on facts, observation and evidence... things that are completely void in your fantasy world. There are young children who have more commonsense, understanding a grip on reality than you.So what we have, are specific processes that correlate with intelligence that manifests intelligence. If you ask yourself "what does he mean by intelligence"? just look in the mirror, look around you, look how energy operates, look at creation where it is right now and ask yourself honestly how these processes occur without a mind.
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@IlDiavolo
If you were taught in school, then you would understand evolution, but you've made it clear you don't. So, that's probably another one of your usual fabrications, Archy. And no, we don't assume evolution happened, we know for a fact it happened, just like we know it's still happening and will continue to happen. Life evolves, Archy. Try and get a grip with the facts.
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When something is true, it's truth is offered in the form of facts, yet nothing you believe contains facts.The same way i know everything else, I believe the truth when its presented to me
That's a very funny definition of truth you have there.
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@IlDiavolo
Of course you would say that, you're a Christian, Archy.Either way, Jesus teachings are good.
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Melcharaz (EtrnlVw) claims....
how is it you are unable to accumulate the same knowledge
It isn't knowledge so there is nothing to accumulate. Knowledge means "knowing" which means there has to be facts. You have not offered any.
Get the holy Ghost and you will see for yourself
I and everyone else on the planet can no more get your "Holy Ghost" than they can leprechauns or unicorns. These things have to actually exist in order for anyone to get them. Don't you understand that simple concept?
there is scientific proof of it
That is an obvious lie. Please don't treat us like little children.
And if you choose not to, the burden of non proof is on you.
And, isn't that so convenient for you, to lie about something and then tell me I have the burden of proof.
It would appear you really don't know what burden of proof is all about. Maybe you should google that?
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@keithprosser
Sure, you can try, but that's exactly what was going on and were a result of why those religions came about. Look into the details of the histories and you'll find out yourself.i'd give different one-line summaries from the above
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@keithprosser
That should be relatively easy to figure out. There were people simply looking for a savior from the perils of their lives.All religions are invented - the only thing to think about is why they were invented.
Old Testament - Hebrews in slavery looking for a deliverer.
New Testament - the reign of the Roman Empire.
Islam - Tribes of Arabs all killing one another, the rich getting richer off the backs of the poor.
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@Snoopy
an extensive international genocide, I am not able to come up with a way to eliminate Christianity
It's funny how you Christians believe that illiminating a bad ideology requires the illimination of the people who follow it. Did the Soviet people get illiminated when Communism was illiminated? Seriously dude.
you will probably have to cope with it for the remainder of your life
Yes, that is unfortunate. You are able to wallow in the freedom of religion while I'm enslaved to it.
the more stress that is placed on it, the stronger it will get.
That's why education of children is very important, they should be taught the tools of critical thinking before they are taught religions, but unfortunately, that isn't the case, hence we have indoctrination into a very bad ideology.
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@Stephen
It's all about projection, Stephen. They are simply projectng their own hatred onto you for criticizing their irrational faith.
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@Snoopy
Christianity has been a threat to people for centuries. It causes conflict, ignorance and hatred. When will mankind rid us of this plague?Do you think Christians pose a threat to you, your people, or your country?
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@Greyparrot
Interesting, sexual harrasment is allowed here.BSH has a nice ass.
I suppose that's how things work when you have a dictator in power.
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@Snoopy
Some children never learn and grow up indoctrinated just like their parents. Others who do actually learn usually wind up leaving Christianity as they learn it does more harm than good. Their indoctrination being only part of that great harm.parents should be learning from their children
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@Snoopy
Obviously not...Its in reference to a just and loving god, and through God's grace Christians may act in kind and rejoice to their good fortune.
Yes, I'm sure the quarter million people, many of them Christians, are rejoicing their good fortune of losing their lvies in a tsunami, right on the very day after Christs birthday. Indeed, their families and friends were rejoicing as well, all very happy they went to heaven that day. What a just and loving god. Happy Birthday, Jesus!
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@Snoopy
You mean a child has yet to develop critical thinking skills that would allow them to criticize Christianity rather than accept its claims without questioning? I think they call that indoctrination.the religion seems to be intuitive even to a child
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@Melcharaz
So, you answer a question regarding your claim of something that has never been shown to exist with something else that's never been shown to exist.having the holy spirit, which requires subjection to God.
This fantasy you have in your head, does it have any facts in there, you know, something that's actuall part of reality?
How can I have the "holy spirit" when no such thing exists?
How can I be subjected to a God that doesn't exist?
Or, can you actually show me they exist in order to fulfill your empty claim?
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@Melcharaz
In other words, the context of whatever is invisible and undetectable that has never shown itself to exist, yet somehow you have special knowledge that we don't have?in the spiritual context
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They are all junk simply because none of them can show anything they claim to be valid, just like you can't show anything you claim is valid.I evaluate all religious sources and learn/observe what is correct and what is junk.
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@Yassine
Same old. I see your ability to be honest about your faith is still nonexistent, just like your God.Sup?
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@Alec
Maybe in the Bizarro Universe.Does this theory have merit?
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EtrnlVw is clueless...
I think I've established my point enough to observe you are biased to spirituality and religion. The standard is not the problem, it's your denial of what is being observed. You aren't yet willing to observe the actual evidence available.
There is no evidence for your irrational beliefs, that is what everyone is trying to tell you. Talking to Overlords on other planets is a serious delusion and is far from normal behavior. For you to get angry because no can see your hallucinations is a serious problem that requires professional help. Have you talked to a mental health expert about your issues?
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EtrnlVw ponders...
I mean it should be obvious something is going on more than peoples imaginations running wild..
No one knows why your imagination runs wild because clearly what you say here is an obvious fabrication or lie...
My beliefs are first based on my own experiences and observation of this world, they are then reinforced/confirmed through cross examination by many sources that correlate with the nature of spirituality. One has to eventually look at how vast an arena of knowledge, information and experience spirituality really is, the numbers involved and the science behind it aren't something to just ignore...
Only someone completely divorced from reality would say such things. Insulting Science like that was completely uncalled for.
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@Melcharaz
I think many gave up on "Gods help" when he caused the deaths of over a quarter million people in a tsunami. The date was most appropriate that God let us know it was indeed him, the day after his birthday; December 26. Many upstanding Christians lost their lives that day.So, that being stated, why do you insist on fighting a God thats doing everything he can to keep you and help you?
As you can see, it's easy to fight a God who murders so many, so easily, so cruely and without warning.
You don't understand that the sinful nature you are in right now?
I am not in any sinful nature whatsoever. That is just your God's excuse to murder people whenever he gets the inkling to do so.
this is a restraining grace of God that we aren't all murderers
Sorry, but none of us are murderers and none of us has anything to do with your God. Of course, the history of your God is filled with murdering innocent people in his name. Have you forgotten all about that?
prove God doesn't exist, the burden is now on each of you
Out of the many stupid things you've said thus far, that is probably the stupidest.
In the same way, please prove Leprechauns don't race Unicorns in the Kentucky Derby. The burden of proof is on you.
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You see, you can no more defend anything you say, all you can do is act immature and arrogant. Must be the reason why you're creatin sock puppets, no one takes you seriously anymore.
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@TheRealNihilist
The "sock puppet" word I am sure was first said by polytheist-witch.
"The first documented use of the term "sockpuppet" dates back to July 9, 1993"
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No, there isn't. You are lying about that. Why do you tell so many lies?There's a science to the soul
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@TheRealNihilist
Are you brain dead?Are you polytheist-witch?
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Try again sweety.
Sorry EtrnlVw, but I'm not gay. And, you shouldn't be coming on to others on a public forum, could be considered harrasment.
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Almost? guess I have to work harder on that for ya....
Try using your sock puppet, Melchanaz.
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@Melcharaz
Melcharaz is obviously a sock puppet. Please investigate.
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@Melcharaz
The mods can prove you're a sock puppet of EtrnlVw.
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@Melcharaz
You look exactly like EtrnlVw sock puppet. You realize you're not supposed to have more than one account here?
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@Yassine
The only gods throughout history, and there were many, who teach or command their followers to fight have been gods of war in which those particular faiths have been involved in wars as a result. Is Allah another god of war?
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When something doesn't sound right or comes across as a really bad idea it's usually because it is. Calvinism along with Catholicism are probably the worlds most ridiculous belief systems.
Yet, your belief system is by far one of the most ridiculous ever presented on a public forum. You've almost got Scientology beat for being ridiculous.
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Sorry, I know how much you really, really, really want it to be true, but theism has no rationale or logic or commonsense, which is based on the actual definitions of the words, often meaning nothing to you. It would be like saying that something that is clearly insane is perfectly sane, to a lunatic.If you would like to discuss or distinguish between absurdity and logical commonsense in Theism feel free to bring it up here.
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Says the guy who never provides evidence for anything.Shut up or give evidence to the contrary.
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Your arrogance is only matched by your stupidity.I'm just telling you what is more accurate,
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No, you pretend consciousness is something that it is not. There is no pretending in what science has discovered about consciousness, however they are all things you have no interest in learning. Your ridiculous assertions of what consciousness is cannot be found anywhere other than inside your vivid imagination or that of the dangerous ECK cult.You're free to pretend the hard questions of consciousness have been factually solved
Feel free to explain what mechanism creates your being, your awareness and by what processes, explain how neurons firing create a conscious entity if you'd like.
Yes, those are the things you have failed to learn in school, that is, if you actually ever went to school. Many links of that information has been provided to you already, but you simply dismiss it all in favor of your delusions.
Spirituality answers all the hard questions
A blatant lie or serious delusion, take your pick.
Because consciousness is not created, does not arise from matter, does not arise as a complex arrangement of matter, all that is speculation based on a faulty premise. Consciousness is awareness out of which all creation arises, the very nature of conscious activity is like energy it neither created nor destroyed, it is both formless and takes on form...eternal.The brain is nothing but a component, which is the connection to the physical body from the soul, it confines your conscious experience to this physical body in the same way electricity is confined to a circuit board through electrical components. When the physical body drops, your conscious soul is released and of course we have an abundance of evidence for that fact.
Of course, we've been through this countless times, all of that is a delusion you hold, none of it has a shred of evidence or can be found anywhere other than in your vivid imagination of the dangerous ECK cult. This has been told to you by almost everyone you've encountered.
The soul enters the womb and is developed and connected to the nervous system and confined to the experience of the brain. The soul has several subtle layers culminating in the physical outermost form, however the physical layer is the most restricted layer as opposed to the spirit form or body but the soul itself is without form it is simply conscious.
That is simply retarded and shows you have no intelligence, reason, logic or rationale whatsoever.
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