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Well genius, Trump couldn’t possibly be President in 2024
Your hands are shaking, a dead giveaway that you don't believe your own lies.
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I hope Congress impeaches Trump 3 times in 2024. That will surely get Trump.
"Trump has not committed a constitutionally impeachable offense. I would be honored to once again defend the Constitution against partisan efforts to weaponize it for political purposes".
-A. Dershowitz
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Our legal system is based on precedent, and there are only two alternatives: precedent will be followed and will end up preserving the rights of future public figures and the integrity of our elections; or precedent will not be followed and will turn the law into an ad hoc weapon that can selectively target political opponents.
Partisan zealots don’t care about precedent because their goals are short term—immediate gratification of their political needs.
Using unconstitutional efforts to stop Trump adversely affects the very foundations of our liberty: due process, right to counsel, and free speech. Those partisan hacks who justify these dangerous departures from the rule of law argue that the threat posed by a second Trump presidency is “different” and “immediate,” while the departures from constitutional norms are only unique to Trump, and would never be used in any other instance.
Dershowitz explains in "Get Trump" that defenders of Trump’s constitutional rights—even those like Dershowitz who oppose Trump politically—are sought to be silenced; their free speech rights attacked, their integrity questioned, and their careers and family threatened. In their determination to get Trump, the media now avoids objective reporting and many in academia petition and propagandize against the very rights they previously valued before 2016. While the chapters where Dershowitz defends himself from these personal attacks are kind of uninteresting to me, his other points are very compelling.
The essence of justice is that it must be equally applicable to all. No one is above the law, but searching for crimes to pin on one's political opponent does not constitute the equal application of the law. (give me the man, I will find a crime.) In his book, to assure equal application in comparable situations, there must be two criteria for indicting a likely candidate of the opposing party: the Richard Nixon standard (a bipartisan effort because of obvious crimes) and the Hillary Clinton standard (absolved for mishandling and destroying classified info)—and most recently, the Joe Biden standard (mostly just a double standard). Dershowitz calls this "the shoe on the other foot test"
Dershowitz warns that regardless of whether this anti-democratic effort to stop Trump from running succeeds or fails, it is likely to create dangerous precedents that will be used in the future against other controversial candidates, officials, or citizens. The argument again will be that these new precedents pose a dangerous threat that is "different” from the usual political threats experienced before. In the grand balance, those very real threats backed with historical precedence are far greater than any dystopian fanfiction about what Trump could do with another 4 years.
When the situation is so "different" and the threat so serious, the "get Trumpers" believe it calls for extraordinary measures--even setting aside the Constitution and Bill of Rights. In history there have been times when rights and civil liberties were trashed because people believed a situation was so "different" from ever before.
Here is the context of historical examples:
President Lincoln suspended Habeas Corpus because he believed the Confederate threat was "different" and those thought to be a threat could then be arrested and held indefinitely. Teddy Roosevelt also walked that line during the heavy-handed regulatory period where he thought too much private property posed a "different" kind of threat. In World War II, Japan was a "different" kind of threat and so President Roosevelt had 110,000 Japanese Americans sent to US concentration camps. The 9/11 Twin Towers attack was "different" and used to justify waterboarding and permanent detention and the Patriot Act.
Today, the Democrats claim Donald J Trump's 2024 re-election would pose a grave threat that's so "different" it justifies doing anything to "Get Trump."
Dershowitz's final conclusion in his book states: "... we can survive Trump ... (we all survived 2016-2020) .... it is less certain that we can survive the current attacks on our basic rights ... by those who would try to get Trump at any cost."
I for one agree with Dershowitz.
Alan Dershowitz may be a lifelong liberal Democrat and he never voted for Trump, and he probably never WILL vote for Trump. But his call to avoid the folly of political prosecutions and a double standard of justice, etc, isn't being headed by his party. Dershowitz is now predictably being labeled a MAGA Trump lover, rather than being recognized as the persistent defender of civil liberties that he has always been. That is the failure of America.
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@Double_R
when you are losing every legal argument...
The real problem is that he is NOT losing every legal argument, as evidenced by the fact that it's increasingly likely he won't have a trial before he becomes president again. It also shows the arbitrariness of the legal system.
Alan Dershowitz's book "Get Trump" has dozens of cited examples where the "shoe on the other foot" legal test fails repeatedly.
“Remember the special prosecutor wasn’t asked to look into everybody who may have mishandled classified material. He was tasked only with getting Trump.”
-Dershowitz
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@ADreamOfLiberty
I see IWRA has expanded his operations to include open racism. Is anyone surprised?
Not a soul. Not even the people who like what he says.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
right-tribe wouldn't dare attack in the same manner. ...
They are already pushing an impeachment of Mayorkas since the precedent for "high crimes and misdemeanors" was conveniently tossed out after 2016 in order to purposefully downplay the crime of rampant bribery that defines the deep state. So yes, they do dare to use the same loopholes to destroy democracy.
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[IwantRooseveltagain] Is someone who lives all alone since his mother died and has never been with a woman a weirdo? [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422851][ADreamOfLiberty] Yea that crosses the line. [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422862][IwantRooseveltagain] You are so ridiculous. Saying a woman wanted to be raped is acceptable to you but making fun of an obnoxious loser who is inadequate with women is over the line. [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422866 ]
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[IwantRooseveltagain] Is someone who lives all alone since his mother died and has never been with a woman a weirdo? [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422851][ADreamOfLiberty] Yea that crosses the line. [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422862][IwantRooseveltagain] You are so ridiculous. Saying a woman wanted to be raped is acceptable to you but making fun of an obnoxious loser who is inadequate with women is over the line. [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422866 ]
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@ADreamOfLiberty
I finished your Dershowitz book. A bit repetitive but still interesting.
I can predict the SCOTUS will make sure that Obama can't be hauled into a civil court from the family of the American citizen killed with a drone strike. Immunity is the status quo.
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[IwantRooseveltagain] Is someone who lives all alone since his mother died and has never been with a woman a weirdo? [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422851][ADreamOfLiberty] Yea that crosses the line. [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422862][IwantRooseveltagain] You are so ridiculous. Saying a woman wanted to be raped is acceptable to you but making fun of an obnoxious loser who is inadequate with women is over the line. [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422866 ]
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@TheUnderdog
I only repost his own words. That's more than insulting enough.
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NYC migrants: Suspected attackers of NYPD officers arrested in Arizona
So funny to see New York all of a sudden defend NY cops only after illegal invaders start beating their cops up.... because the only people allowed to fight with the cops should be American Democrats... lol....
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[IwantRooseveltagain] Is someone who lives all alone since his mother died and has never been with a woman a weirdo? [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422851][ADreamOfLiberty] Yea that crosses the line. [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422862][IwantRooseveltagain] You are so ridiculous. Saying a woman wanted to be raped is acceptable to you but making fun of an obnoxious loser who is inadequate with women is over the line. [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422866 ]
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[IwantRooseveltagain] Is someone who lives all alone since his mother died and has never been with a woman a weirdo? [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422851][ADreamOfLiberty] Yea that crosses the line. [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422862][IwantRooseveltagain] You are so ridiculous. Saying a woman wanted to be raped is acceptable to you but making fun of an obnoxious loser who is inadequate with women is over the line. [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422866 ]
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[IwantRooseveltagain] Is someone who lives all alone since his mother died and has never been with a woman a weirdo? [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422851][ADreamOfLiberty] Yea that crosses the line. [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422862][IwantRooseveltagain] You are so ridiculous. Saying a woman wanted to be raped is acceptable to you but making fun of an obnoxious loser who is inadequate with women is over the line. [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422866 ]
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[IwantRooseveltagain] Is someone who lives all alone since his mother died and has never been with a woman a weirdo? [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422851][ADreamOfLiberty] Yea that crosses the line. [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422862][IwantRooseveltagain] You are so ridiculous. Saying a woman wanted to be raped is acceptable to you but making fun of an obnoxious loser who is inadequate with women is over the line. [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422866 ]
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[IwantRooseveltagain] Is someone who lives all alone since his mother died and has never been with a woman a weirdo? [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422851][ADreamOfLiberty] Yea that crosses the line. [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422862][IwantRooseveltagain] You are so ridiculous. Saying a woman wanted to be raped is acceptable to you but making fun of an obnoxious loser who is inadequate with women is over the line. [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422866 ]
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IWRA: We didn’t vote for ignorance, racism, and bigotry.IWRA: We complain about white trash who ...
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IWRA: We didn’t vote for ignorance, racism, and bigotry.IWRA: We complain about white trash who ...
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IWRA: We didn’t vote for ignorance, racism, and bigotry.IWRA: We complain about white trash who ...
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IWRA: We didn’t vote for ignorance, racism, and bigotry.IWRA: We complain about white trash who ...
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In Escalation, Adams Says Migrant Crisis 'Will Destroy New York City' In provocative remarks at a town hall meeting, Mayor Eric Adams said that he did not “see an ending” to the migrant crisis and renewed his push for federal help.
Eric Adams Asserts Migrant Crisis Will 'Destroy New York City'
Eric Adams must be one of those "white trash" people that don't use critical thinking skills to understand that the nation was built by illegal immigrants.
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We didn’t vote for ignorance, racism, and bigotry.We complain about white trash who ...
Classic IWRAism
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At least Red States don't complain about getting what they voted for.
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Out of all the Democrats in Blue States, 100% complain about getting what they voted for.
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We didn’t vote for ignorance, racism, and bigotry.
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@Double_R
There's also a "remain policy" that says people must apply outside of the country first. Most nations have this policy.
That's why Obama ended up deporting more illegals than Trump,
You don't have to deport as many people if you discourage them from crossing in the first place instead of offering sanctuary. Competency and prevention matters.
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Mayflower bla bla bla...
At least the Native Americans don't complain about getting what they did not vote for.
Blue States constantly complain about the very things they voted for. The insanity goes far beyond Trump.
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At least Red States don't complain about getting what they voted for.
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@FLRW
So give Democrats EXACTLY what they want. Defunded police? You got it! Inflated currency to fund foreign wars? All the way baby!.... Unlimited abortion on demand at any stage? There you go! Rising rent prices because there's no place to house illegal aliens and NIMBY won't allow new construction? You guessed it....here you go! Glorification of one race over another with affirmative action, systemic segregation, and reparations? Your wish is granted! Complete Federal control over public education instead of allowing parents to have a say? Yep, you get that too!.
That is the best medicine.
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@FLRW
Trump lies. Aiming a machine gun at an illegal alien is an invitation for free food, healthcare, education, and housing.
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The cure for TDS is to stop taking blue state money and giving it to red states. and let them starve to death.
Red states don't need the money anymore since they are shipping the costly aliens to Blue Cities. They can keep the parasitic baggage.
win/win.
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@Double_R
So yeah, the cure for TDS is to give blue states exactly what they want. Send them all the illegal invaders, and let them bleed dry.
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@Double_R
The law doesn't say where an illegal migrant must apply for asylum. In fact, they can be deported and still be allowed to apply for asylum. Nothing in Federal law says we need to allocate billions of dollars housing, feeding, clothing, and caring for asylum applicants (85% which are eventually rejected after a great many years but still are not deported.) That's a problem blue states created on their own.
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Well, you know Mencken said we had to defend that son-of-a bitch.
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8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien
(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
(b) Improper time or place; civil penalties Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to enter) the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty of—
(1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or attempted entry); or
(2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under this subsection.
Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be imposed.
(c) Marriage fraud
Any individual who knowingly enters into a marriage for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or fined not more than $250,000, or both.
(d) Immigration-related entrepreneurship fraud
Any individual who knowingly establishes a commercial enterprise for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, fined in accordance with title 18, or both.
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@Double_R
Border???
Yes, that's all Biden for 3 straight years was waiting for to decide to enforce existing laws.
And Trump wasn't?
He didn't stay bought, obviously.
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@FLRW
Well, you know Mencken said we had to defend that son-of-a bitch.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
So to summarize the video....the best cure for TDS is to give them exactly what they ask for.
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@Double_R
The big difference between Biden and Trump is that Biden stays bought.
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@FLRW
Dershowitz was a big fan of Menken too.... OMG are you Dershowitz?????
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@IlDiavolo
Tell me more about this deep state, please. The democrats and the media say there is no such thing.
The deep state is the reason why 90 billion was allocated to be spent on pet projects overseas while only 20 billion allocated to help Americans.
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@FLRW
H.L. Menken understood why it is so important to defend the rights of those you disagree with and not make exceptions for your political enemies: “The trouble about fighting for human freedom is that you have to spend much of your life defending sons of bitches; for oppressive laws are always aimed at them originally, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all.”
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