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Sadly, CNN has taken down their video due to public outrage, so I had to find a 3rd party source.
Key takeaways, Cooper insists America is pure as the driven snow and NATO's sole concern is to protect Ukraine from Russia rather than using Ukraine as discarded territory for a proxy war perpetuating endless NATO expansion against all Asian countries.
Cooper then insists the hundreds of thousands USA killed in Iraq can't compare with anything Russia did.
Because Cooper was "there"
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@ebuc
Top well is the fresh truth ergo purity.
The Orange Torus is strong.
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@ebuc
Apocalyptic Pence
AKA "NOT MY CONCERN"
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@FLRW
The FBI is strong in this thread.
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@ebuc
Romans stole the torus as halo{ divine } from the Pagans. They used a 2D disk instead of 3D torus so as not to be associated with the Pagans.You have no problem being associated with Trumpet as cultist follower and that is same as Apocalyptic Pence etc type nutters
The Orange Torus most closely resembles a Trumpet.
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@ebuc
2024 is looking mighty Orange my friend. Strong orange men vs weak purple non-men.
The Orange Torus cannot be destroyed completely.
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@FLRW
Ask Wray.
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@TWS1405_2
And again. And again. And again. And……. *yawn*
Yep.
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@HistoryBuff
According to this:
Gorbachev's decision to withdraw was wildly unpopular in Russia with many hawkish members of the Politburo, which actually controlled the Soviet Union, not any one man.
The Donbas isn't anywhere near equateable to Afghanistan for 3 reasons:
1) Ethnic Russians live in the Donbas, and they have their own local resistance independent militia separate from Russian forces. The People's Militia of the Donetsk People's Republic and People's Militia of the Luhansk People's Republic are pro-Russian paramilitaries in the Donbas region of eastern Ukraine. If Russia forces withdraw, those separatist forces would remain, as it is their homeland and they would continue the Civil War for independence to the last man.
2) Donbas is right on the border which presents an existential threat were it to be occupied by NATO forces.
3) Public opinion in Russia is actually climbing since the war began, not diminishing, especially in support of a defensive operation instead of an offensive operation. Many of the people that support the war also do not support Putin, meaning they would support the defensive operation even if Putin were replaced. It's absolutely foolish to bet on a weakening of Russian resolve when it comes to defensive wars, any more than it would be foolish to think Americans would suddenly want to ban all guns. Defensive wars is part of what it means to be culturally Russian.
Russia was forced to abandon their occupation of Afghanistan due to pressure from their own people.
Source?
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@HistoryBuff
But my bet is that the russian people don't want this war.
As many Americans that you know who are sold on the idea that war in general is a necessary thing regardless of the costs, multiply that by a few factors for the Russian people, as the propaganda is a good bit stronger there.
I am willing to bet America's war propaganda isn't nearly as strong in deluding the population.
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If we dont stop USA from invading other countries, USA will just keep invading forever.
Do you really think USA will just invade Russia if USA is not allowed to maintain possession of Syria's oilfields with a military base?
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@HistoryBuff
Do you really think Russia would invade Poland if we brokered a cease fire in Ukraine?
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@HistoryBuff
So you are basically betting an as yet unidentified Civil war in Russia will allow Kiev to win their existing Civil War with the Donbas. Bold prediction sir.
Not that any outcome here actually helps anyone in America except the government getting kickbacks off of all the military spending. There was a time when the Dick Cheneys were nationally hated for war profiteering. Now they are National heroes apparently.
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this source basically says both sides are taking heavy casualties but that russian casualties are much higher.
Yes, but this is the point of the Article:
Two weeks ago, NPR’s FRANK LANGFITT reported that both Ukraine and Russia have torn through their best-trained and most-experienced troops. After a year of fighting, both forces now rely heavily on conscripts — a development that favors Russia since Moscow has more people it can call up than Kyiv.
KUPOL, a lieutenant colonel, told the Post that his battalion is “unrecognizable” from the group he started out with. “Of about 500 soldiers, roughly 100 were killed in action and another 400 wounded, leading to complete turnover. Kupol said he was the sole military professional in the battalion, and he described the struggle of leading a unit composed entirely of inexperienced troops.”
“We don’t have the people or weapons,” a senior Ukrainian official also told them. “And you know the ratio: When you’re on the offensive, you lose twice or three times as many people. We can’t afford to lose that many people.”
With so many advantages on one side, it's a foolish gamble to keep betting on Ukraine to pull out a win here. Russia has the munitions, the men, and the "high ground"
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They aren't kidnapping them. They aren't conscripting them.
The line is kind of fuzzy between these 2 things. But what source do you have that says Ukraine is meeting its conscription goals to be able to take the Donbas back?
Admittedly, it's hard to find an uncensored western source to show how bad it really is, but I'll take another shot at it for you.
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@HistoryBuff
But the odds that they can bleed the Russian military until it can't fight is decent.
I'm extremely skeptical of those odds for 2 reasons. That article I linked to you showed Russia is using 4 times more artillery strikes than Ukraine, which accounts for about 80 percent of the casualties. 2nd, Russia is now fighting a defensive trench war (which it wasn't before when it sought to end the war quickly), and every war strategist will maintain that the defensive, entrenched force has an overwhelming tactical advantage.
Wagner just managed to take over a major Russian city.
Lol, not exactly. This was a petty oligarch butting heads and losing. He didn't leave because of goodwill. It's because Wagner lost control because they are completely dependent on the Russian government for supplies and logistics. It was more of a mercenary contract renegotiation than any actual end to the Ukraine war.
Morale in the russian army is not good.
As bad as you think the Russian army morale is bad, it's exponentially worse on the Ukraine side, as they are forced to take the old, sick and crippled people off Ukrainian streets to throw into the meatgrinder to replace all those dead people blown to unrecognizable bits with artillery. But ho hum, status quo demands we go on with the madness.
It's really easy to maintain a pro-war stance when it's not you trying to escape a country in the middle of a Civil War now transformed into a pointless proxy war between 2 countries that don't really care what happens to Ukraine...
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@HistoryBuff
they have retaken thousands of square miles of their country back
True, but not the Donbas. That's the measure for victory in your mind, no?
Ukraine has made gains in the donbass recently.
Source? Everything I have seen indicates a very slow progression.
This can mean an extremely costly war as USA is subsidizing all of Kiev's government for day to day operations.
They don't have the capacity to produce enough shells to replace their usage.
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@HistoryBuff
Russia is hemorrhaging money. They absolutely cannot keep this up indefinitely.
I think the World Bank estimated the Covid recession was going to have a 12% contraction on Russia's GDP, and maybe that went into the calculus on whether or not to impose sanctions on Russia, but it is clear that Russia found a way through the sanctions by partnering with India and China while also increasing oil production. But the USA seemingly can't take an L on any of their failed policies. It seems we will have to reach the same point we reached with Vietnam and Afghanistan before USA can walk away. Unfortunately, we may never reach that point because nukes are involved.
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Russia is already losing ground, so the trends just need to continue.
Do you really know what's going on right now? Russia presently has an overwhelming advantage tactically on the ground mostly because of the attrition of trained Ukrainian solders. The "advances" are so miniscule that some have cynically suggested the war could be over in 120 years if the goal is to reclaim every inch of Donbas soil. Ukraine has almost no artillery ammo left while Russia has massive ammunition plants churning 24/7 in the Ural mountain regions where no missiles from Ukraine can reach.
None of the Donbas is projected to be retaken anytime soon. This not helping America or Ukraine at all. The people getting bled dry from this war isn't the Russian people. This is just another Vietnam where we have absolutely no business in, but the war must be maintained for profits to continue as planned. And by Vietnam, I include the 1950's period of military and economic aid before we sent boots on the ground, which it seems we are inching closer to doing as Ukraine loses the ability to perpetuate the war.
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@Vegasgiants
The world just does not agree with you....except Russia
and China, Syria, India, Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, Brazil, Pakistan, Turkey and multiple African nations.
This isn't just about Putin anymore.
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@HistoryBuff
There is increased trade relations, but there is absolutely no military co-operation between India and china.
You should be concerned a LOT more about the economic alliance between India and Russia. Thanks to India, Russia's GDP contracted a whopping 2 percent, essentially enabling the funding of Russia's military in perpetuity. You may say there is no military alliance, but De Facto, India is supplying Russia the means to perpetuate the war. If India is willing to do this, it's not a stretch to say India would not escalate its alliance should NATO escalate theirs.
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@HistoryBuff
WW2 was caused by Germany invading it's neighbors. czechoslovakia, austria and Poland.
The Treaty of Versailles, which was imposed on Germany after World War I, played a major role in weakening the country both economically and politically. The treaty, which was signed in 1919, imposed harsh conditions on Germany, seeking to punish it for its role in the war. The treaty was meant to ensure peace and prevent future conflicts, but its punitive measures and economic burdens had unintended consequences that contributed greatly to the outbreak of World War II. It was also one of the reasons for the Marshall plan after WW2
- Economic Burden: The Treaty of Versailles demanded that Germany pay massive reparations to the Allied powers for the damages caused during the war. These reparations were crippling for Germany's economy and led to hyperinflation, unemployment, and economic instability. The severe economic downturn fueled discontent and political instability within the country.
- Loss of Territory: Germany was forced to cede territories to neighboring countries, resulting in a significant reduction of its pre-war land and resources. The loss of territory, especially the rich industrial regions like the Saar Basin and Upper Silesia, further weakened Germany's economic and industrial capacities.
- War Guilt Clause: The treaty included a war guilt clause that held Germany solely responsible for the war. This clause fueled resentment and a sense of injustice among the German population, leading to nationalist sentiments and a desire for revenge.
- Political Instability: The harsh conditions of the Treaty of Versailles contributed to political unrest in Germany. Extremist political parties, such as the Nazis led by Adolf Hitler, capitalized on the public's discontent, promising to overturn the treaty's terms and restore Germany's former glory.
While the German people turned to Adolph Hitler for relief, the situation in Russia is monumentally worse as the emergency measure for the Russian People is nukes. This is why we should not be pursuing a reckless path towards escalation of a war with unrealistic victory conditions. We should have learned in Vietnam and Afghanistan when it is time to walk away BEFORE all the devastation, but we still have yet to learn it seems.
You know that America destroyed the 2014 peace in Ukraine. And you also said earlier you would be willing to settle for a peace that reverted it back to the status of 2014 before USA launched a civil war. There's nothing unreasonable about such an outcome. 2014 was a situation where there were no winners or losers. Ukraine didn't have the Donbas, sure, but neither did Russia. America should be fighting for the Donbas if they want peace like there was in 2014, not Kiev, but you and I both know this war isn't about principles. USA has a long history of waging wars for profit, and there is no profit in peace.
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@HistoryBuff
But this has absolutely nothing to do with modern events.
I don't know, Poland makes me hella nervous about its intentions.
Nobody is going to care who actually pulls the trigger (like the assassination)when the continent is devastated by a decade of death.
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@Double_R
I'm asking the question too.
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@Barney
sarcasm....
Clipped as proof of continued personal insults and harassment
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@Barney
Get it genius?
Reported for Ad-hom and continued harassment.
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@Sidewalker
It was in quotations lol. I think you are the only one that gets it.
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@FLRW
I assume you are not taking a victory lap.
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@Double_R
Maybe things would be better if we weren’t so afraid of indoctrinating our kids with corpo junk science and critical race theory.
Fixd.
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@Double_R
And the concerns of the “common person” matter in this conversation how?
Exactly.
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@Vegasgiants
Like we do with Syria? We just plopped a USA military base on their sovereign soil just to control an oilfeild. Russia is just doing what USA does, only better.
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Tucker Carlson interviews Tim Scott, and their discussion revolves around Ukraine and foreign policy. Tucker questions Tim Scott's hawkish stance on Ukraine and asks if he has considered attempting to force a peace agreement. Tim Scott responds, stating that Ukraine is heavily dependent on the support of the United States, with the country's stability reliant on the aid they receive. Tucker presses further, inquiring how to end the war, but Tim Scott seems uncertain about achieving a peaceful resolution. In fact, Tim is so clueless that he has to ask Tucker how to end the war. Tim Scott doesn't explain why weakening Russia's military and economy while also expanding NATO and encroaching on Russia's border brings us further from nuclear Armageddon rather than closer. WW2 was a direct result of weakening the German military and economy while also encroaching on their country. WW1 devastated Europe due to an explosion of defense pacts such as NATO's article 5. We have learned nothing from history except how to start world wars. Step 1, make global defense pacts with nations that have their own national interests. Step 2, decimate a country's military and finances while encroaching on their borders. Step 3, act surprised when people rise up in desperation. Tim Scott also does not explain why indirectly creating powerful alliances against America such as the recent India, China, and Russia alliance formed in retaliation for America's anti-Asian policies helps to secure Domestic American sovereignty.
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@FLRW
Nether party wants people to learn how corrupt they are. Failing public schools is a feature, not a bug.
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@Double_R
Ask Bernie Sanders supporters.
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@Double_R
one of the major two party’s in our country.
Neither "major" party matters to the common person. At best it's 2 oligarchs fighting for power. At worst, it's a cartel.
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@Double_R
the media had no obligation to focus on Biden’s comments
You are correct. Corporate Media has no obligation to inform the peasants what is going on in DC. In fact, they have an obligation to their advertisers, especially advertisers that support certain crony politicians, to actively censor topics that could harm the rich and powerful. That isn't journalism, that is paid propaganda.
Journalism doesn't exist anymore, which is why people in the video were "shocked" to discover the truth that the propaganda that was sold as "news" was not true at all.
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@Double_R
I don't care about Republicans losing with a bad candidate.
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Yawn, Trumpmanbad.
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Great, more Republicanmanbad spam. We get it already.
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@Double_R
What was your point of that post? I might have already addressed it.
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@Barney
You are an embarrassment.
Reported for adhoms and continued harassment.
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@Vegasgiants
Well you get to complain.As much good as that does. Lol
Yes, unrest is a form of complaining.
That argument works for anything.
It does, because being the elite by definition means you have all the power to manufacture the illusion of choice to those that have no power.
Do you really think that the solution to bad government can only come from the same bad government itself?
I am reminded of the classic children's fable.
Twain was correct. If elections mattered, they wouldn't allow us to do it.
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@Vegasgiants
“If voting made any difference they wouldn’t let us do it”
- Mark Twain
“Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don’t. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the state houses, the city halls. They got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies, so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying. Lobbying to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I’ll tell you what they don’t want. They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well-informed, well-educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. That’s against their interests. That’s right.”
“Sooner or later the people in this country are going to realize: the government does not give a fuck about them. The government doesn’t care about you, or your children, or your rights, or your welfare, or your safety. It simply doesn’t give a fuck about you. It’s interested in its own power. That’s the only thing keeping it and expanding it wherever possible.”
"For myself, I have solved this political dilemma in a very direct way. On Election Day, I stay home. Two reasons: first of all, voting is meaningless; this country was bought and paid for a long time ago. That empty shit they shuffle around and repackage every four years doesn’t mean a thing. Second, I don’t vote, because I firmly believe that if you vote, you have no right to complain. I know some people like to twist that around and say, ‘If you don’t vote, you have no right to complain.’ But where’s the logic in that? Think it through: If you vote, and you elect dishonest, incompetent politicians, and you screw things up, then you’re responsible for what they’ve done. You voted them in. You caused the problem. You have no right to complain. I, on the other hand, who did not vote—who, in fact, did not even leave the house on Election Day—am in no way responsible for what these politicians have done and have every right to complain about the mess you created. Which I had nothing to do with. Why can’t people see that?”
-George Carlin
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@Vegasgiants
why don't you have more power in this democracy of ours?
Elections are just the dog and pony show made to give us the illusion of choice. The common people have not been represented ever since FDR merged corporate America with the government. I don't see election results as the measure of democracy. I see unrest as a measure.
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@Double_R
It never ceases to amaze me how anti-left yo-yo’s will bend over backwards to argue that Trump is not a racist.
Clearly you did not watch the video. Most of the people attributed those statements falsely to Trump.
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@Vegasgiants
Why is your side so weak and powerless in the media?
My "side" isn't part of the ultra rich uniparty. I don't support the "side" that censors talk that would shock normal people (as in the video) when they are trying to screw the people over with manufactured issues and controlled opposition.
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Nobody here has yet refuted the host's claim that the media has utterly failed to inform the public.
The people interviewed willingly agreed that they were shocked to learn the truth.
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People react strongly and passionately, labeling the ACTUAL BIDEN quotes as racist and attributing them to Trump. Many saying they were 10 out of 10 on the racist scale.
The participants seem unaware of Biden's actual remarks due to Corporate controlled media bias such as WAPO and MSNBC.
They then express shock and surprise upon learning the truth.
This video explains the media's influence in shaping people's perceptions and points out how many Black Americans voted for Biden without knowing about these quotes. Even so, some respondents continue to defend Biden despite the revealed statements, showing just how deep the crony media indoctrination and dissonance goes.
You can ad-hom me all you want, but you can't avoid ad-homming the people in the video as a consequence.
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When a politician apologizes for their comments, it shows two things...
Irrelevant. Not only did the video show people who didn't know about the racist statements, they were ALSO not even aware of the apologies.
A functioning media would have informed the population to both things and trust the American to decide what is sincere and what is not..
The video exposes the failure of biased media.
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