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@Double_R
Drinking and driving is illegal and highly punishable. Do you believe the same should be true about having sex?
Sex is illegal in many cases,
It's also illegal to have sex while driving.
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@949havoc
It's like saying a drunk driver was forced to pay up after he chose to drink and drive.
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@Double_R
Anyone who wants to know why they should take the vaccine can look at the science.
What science study states the Unvaccinated puts Vaccinated people at risk for Covid-19 or anything else? As Biden stated during his Mandate speech.
People are sick of the BS more than Covid. There's now a lot of people with Vax regrets with all the talk about them still being vulnerable to the unvaccinated. What was the point if they don't keep you safe?
Bad, bad, bad Optics. Of all the unfounded things Biden could have claimed, this one was a real doozy.
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@Double_R
Policy should be based on reality, not how it looks to the stupid and the ignorant.
Policy is always based on optics.
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@Double_R
Thanks for demonstrating my point. When the public wants to know why they should take the vax and if it's worth taking, they get a string of maybes and mandates.
That's very bad optics. At least lie consistently and say the Vax keeps you safe.
Saying the vax won't keep you safe in the same sentence advocating vax mandates is as bad as it gets. Most of the public can understand basic English.
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@Double_R
understand the full picture.
So which is it? Does the vaccine keep you safe or no?
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@drlebronski
It's fine, the optics are for independent voters, not partisan hacks.
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@thett3
Listen to the laughter in the background....
Oh this wasn't predicted at all....
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@drlebronski
It's just bad optics for Joeman to see Taliban flying around. Aren't they supposed to be on horses and stuff?
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@drlebronski
it might have little value,
Thanks for your opinion.
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@thett3
I was waiting to comment on this until all the facts came out and yep, it’s as bad as it appeared to be. The military murdered an innocent man and innocent children. I understand that collateral damage happens in war but it really bothers me how there’s no accountability at all.
A damn shame for sure.
This is also exaggerated. There has been no accounting of how much military equipment was left in Afghanistan.
Those 2 statements cancel each other out. If you don't know you can't say it's exaggerated. What we do know is what has been left there and that's also a damn shame.
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@thett3
I don't know, maybe my skeptical side suggests Biden is conflating cases with mortality rates on purpose knowing there will always be cases regardless of vaxxed people. This ensures a never ending justification for mandates to go along with those cases.
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@thett3
I mean, if the idea was to win the war on Covid and we know the virus hangs around for quite a while in the vaccinated and the non-vaxxed who had previous exposure and antibodys... I just don't see how Biden pulls a W out of it considering we will likely continue to be hearing about cases even with the marginal increases in the vaxxed due to the Osha mandates. So you're basically going to continue to have frightened people wrongfully equating cases with mortality rates among the vaxxed due to bad messaging and bad optics along with people pissed for having to make a choice between their body and their work.
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@thett3
I don’t know, I think that public opinion will mostly be on Biden’s side here.
Somebody is telling Biden that somehow he can win the "war" on Covid with a vax mandate...
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@thett3
I'm still wondering how any of those OSHA mandates can be enforceable with HIPAA laws...
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@949havoc
The optics on this are so, so bad on multiple levels, most particularly undermining the year long claim that being vaccinated was supposed to keep you safe and now Biden is saying the unvaccinated are putting vaccinated people at risk.
The secondary optic of using OSHA mandates to coerce workers of large employers is also ham-fisted and questionable as it essentially forces the worker to get the vaccine or get fired; or alternatively as a headscratcher to try to find a job with a place with fewer than 100 workers. Particularly in light of the first optic where people are going to ask even more vociferously...why???
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@n8nrgmi
Biden is the dictator we were all told Trump was.
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@n8nrgmi
citation?
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@n8nrgmi
when a law is passed, it has to have a basis for existing in the constitution.
Laws don't exist in the Constitution.
Every law is a projection of government power and authority.
The Constitution limits the powers of the government. Think of it like the 10 commandments of "thou shall not...."
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just to note, the WH isn't mandating the Vax currently for WH staff.
And the drug companies J and J and Moderna are not currently mandating vaccines for their employees.
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@949havoc
Astronauts drink their own pee. They don't have a shortage of fresh water in space.
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@Double_R
Is there anything Biden could have done to make the withdrawal more optic friendly?
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@949havoc
Maybe the optics are risky I guess. But that's politics.
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@949havoc
I realize there may be Americans who don't want to get out. , and not much can be done about that. But, private individuals are doing the DOS job, getting Americans who want to get out out, and DOS is trying to block that. Why? Fail.
DOS says it's too risky to rescue the Americans left behind. Sounds legit.
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@drlebronski
Leaving a natural resource like water in the hands of the private sector makes it a commodity item vulnerable to the free market. Poor cities are most damaged by private utilities providers because without the resources to fund their services, companies are less inclined to provide them with the proper infrastructure and access to water. "
Sounds like someone didn't pay their water bill.
Usually under crony capitalism (which for heavily regulated water it's always crony capitalism) the politician gets to set the price which then sets the quality.
And most politicians don't mind cutting the voter's water bill in half as long as the inevitable future problems don't pop up until after their time in office is over.
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Stop harassing me Oro. You can find other people to play personal ad-hom battles with, you most certainly don't need me. This is a debate site not a hen coop.
Reporting your post for harassment.
You have been warned multiple times to stop personally attacking people on this site, yet you continue to do so, to the detriment of everyone here.
And you already know when a person has asked you to stop harassing and you continue anyway, it's a bannable offense.
If you don't like the rules you can leave the site.
There's plenty of educated people with views similar to yours on this site that don't regularly sling ad-homs while discussing ideas, so don't think for a moment that I need anything from you but your absence.
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@Ramshutu
Please don't respond to me or I will submit a complaint for harassment.
I don't have the time or patience for ad-hom battles.
Good day sir.
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@ebuc
Noted, so again CDC, FDA etc are all a worthless
I wouldn't go as far as to say they are worthless, but compromised enough to warrant scrutiny and critical thinking over lockstep obedience.
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@Ramshutu
You didn't read the articles...why am I not surprised from such a classic devoted pedantic view.
Noting your ad-hom at the end of your little rant; Consider yourself blocked troll. You can go annoy someone else for your jollies.
I definitely don't have time for play-yard exchanges.
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@Ramshutu
I mean - I did just that with my point about vaccines vs abortions - and it’s obviously eating you up inside that you have no ability to answer.
I'm absolutely clear about both. Government doesn't know best. For either case.
Try to actually read those articles and note the similarities.
“Men in Washington DC bad!”
Alot of them objectively are. They certainly are not all good, all wise, all knowing like the wizards of your Oz.
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@ebuc
CDC is just a worthless can of worms from your viewpoint GP?
It's worth noting that most of Europe took a look at the CDC recommendations and promptly told them to fuck off, especially with the recommendations for school kids.
Europe isn't under a 24/7 gaslight from state media, and the American teacher's unions have no interest in influencing European politics.
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@Ramshutu
I just don't have the time or patience for rehashed academic tripe excusing present day Washington DC totalitarian authority and corruption using the argument that the oligarchy up there is really really smart and compassionate, and knows best what to put in your body and on your face.
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@Ramshutu
one has almost no meaningful financial or health impact;
According to who? Your grand poohbah in Washington DC? How about you tell Washington DC to fuckoff and get with the program.
that one has almost no meaningful financial or health impact; the other has major financial, health and life impacts.
My monumental gains in my hedge funds due to the Washington DC lockdowns and other mandates says different.
Though I pity the lesser savvy that can't work the hedge fund/DC mandates game as "investors" like Soros can. Survival of the fittest and all.
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@sadolite
It's fine, the love affair of the Marxist left with Washington DC authoritarianism is being put to the test with the next 3 years of Biden.
Let's see how it shakes out.
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@triangle.128k
Yeah man I'm sure states having stupid hospital infrastructure.
It's not even a state problem...it's like a few cherrypicked hospitals out of the millions of hospitals that have capacity problems, like no hospital EVER had capacity problems EVER before Covid19.... but yeah, never miss a chance to spook the herd so they don't see what Washington DC is doing.
Gotta fill those hospital beds with frightened sheep to pay the yacht club dues.
Check out these fucking articles pre Trump. It's the same circus, different clowns.
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@Ramshutu
Yah yah...if some fuckwit in DC gets to decide the word "substantive" then you can throw your freedoms out the window like the rest of the nutjobs.
We get it sir.
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Except when it comes to Covid vaccines. Then it's no longer your body nor your choice...
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Yeah man I'm sure states having stupid hospital infrastructure.
When the government is paying, you can be sure the hospitals are going to find warm bodies to fill the beds.
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@zedvictor4
When push comes to shove, an abortion is an abortion and a constitution is a pile of old paper.
I am just saying it's completely arbitrary when the Constitution is cited as a justification for the expansion of government powers in the same argument to limit government power. It makes the purpose of the Constitution meaningless.
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The USA is so ridiculously far-left right now it's laughable to think the country could ever become far-right in anyone's lifetime.
The KKK is so small you need a microscope to find it. The so-called flagship of the alt-right "proud boys" is run by a bunch of Blacks and queers that regularly get shot at by gestapo Antifa thugs without having the balls to shoot back.
White supremacy isn't causing the crime in California.
White supremacy isn't causing the Homelessness in California.
White supremacy isn't causing the high taxes in California.
White supremacy isn't causing the corruption in California.
White supremacy isn't causing the arbitrary health mandates in California.
White supremacy isn't causing the high rate of drug use in California.
White supremacy isn't causing the exodus of millions of people in California.
White supremacy isn't causing the 70% single mother rate in California.
White supremacy isn't causing the current recall effort in California from people in BOTH parties of all skin colors.
White supremacy isn't causing the outrageous failures and mismanagements of Marxist central planners in California.
It's so funny how often white supremacy is invoked when it's so obvious to a rational person it's a boogie-man deflection from actual problems.
Trust me honey, you are far, far more likely to experience the "joys" of the Marxist far-left dystopia WAY before you EVER see what a far-right dystopia looks like in America, especially with the kinds of idiots alive today that vote in Biden and call Trump a far-right Nazi for being a progressive New Yorker...
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@triangle.128k
"Upon analyzing the data, the team found that the flu patients had higher hospital stays, higher rates of intensive care and ventilatory support, and higher mortality compared to COVID-19 patients. Steroid and oxygen use rates were also higher in the children hospitalized for influenza."
When you have extremely few deaths per million kids from Covid, this shouldn't be a surprise to anyone tracking the data.
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@triangle.128k
COVID is literally just Flu+
It's actually much milder on kids than other strains of Flu, but a bunch of teachers find it profitable to spread lies and call people that disagree "radical fascists"
It's particularly bad for obese people, but Fauci doesn't give a fuck about slowing the spread of obesity because there is no profit in that.
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@whiteflame
Unless you can convince me Speed would HARD bus supa on DP1 while defending poly.....
I just don't see it as likely and if speed did this...then Mafia deserve the win for such a ridiculously long shot play
VTL POLY
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@whiteflame
post 172 just keeps coming back and haunting me telling me scum supa would never do that in a game where there are no safe roles.
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Central planning is a virus that needs to be stamped out along with the oligarchies that run it currently.
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@whiteflame
Regardless, I'll let you continue Sherlock WF.
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@Wylted
You also need to read the Moynihan report as well. The war on crime didn't start in 1965 but the war on Dads as providers did.
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@Wylted
I'm just saying women are going to go after the 20% of men regardless of prison status.
Most women won't even date a man under 5'10
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@Wylted
You have like 10 black women competing for 2 guys.
That's a result of hypergamy and laws that reward single mothers for having multiple fathers for their children. It's a problem among all ethnic groups, but it's a particular problem for Blacks because the welfare is greater for them.
Read the Moynihan report. Democrats have known this for over 50 years.
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