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@Best.Korea
Sadly, the government can create extradition treaties for a fetus as well :(
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@Best.Korea
I was gonna say no, but what are extradition treaties all about if not for declaring national citizens as property to be claimed?
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@ebuc
The evangelical right has fought against birth control for thousands of years,
What does this have to do with the price of tea in China?
The thread is about whether or not a fetus is legally or morally property, not sperm.
You earlier said a 9 month old fetus in the womb is the same thing as sperm or eggs.
Are you reconsidering that position?
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@Lemming
I took my nephew for a drive home yesterday, and the 1st thing he said "this doesn't look like a teacher's car"
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@Lemming
Consider this question. Is there anything that is not legally a person that you cannot legally own?
Most people would cite things the government can own but a private citizen cannot.
If the government has possession of it, it would be considered government property.
So we are left with this question:
Is there anything the government cannot legally own that is not a person?
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@Best.Korea
It's a hypothetical/thought experiment.
You can ask your buddies for the definition of the word "if"
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This would have huge ramifications within the moral/legal framework if the SCOTUS were to declare a fetus as "property"
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I was skimming over a WF/Bones debate about abortion, and I was thinking about the question of personhood within a moral and legal framework.
My thoughts went to an old infamous Scotus case where a man was declared property and thus could not have personhood. (Dredd Scott)
If we do not confer personhood to a 9 month old fetus, does this mean it must then be considered property as well?
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And I feel really guilty about it all of a sudden. Like I don't deserve it.
Should I bring it back to the dealership and get a cheaper one? What do you guys think?
Or should I just get over the guilty feelings and enjoy something nice?
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There must be somewhere a job where she can make Venn diagrams. She'll love doing that.She probably also can make a Cliché book, of her deep thoughts, like the unburdened thing.
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@Best.Korea
You should ask Matt Wash if you are a racist. He made a film about it.
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@Best.Korea
Do you also wonder what quotations around a word mean?Yes, but you two seem to be unable to answer it.
Home of the wondering Whopper I guess.
Maybe ask your buddies what it means.
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@Best.Korea
Do you also wonder what quotations around a word mean?
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@cristo71
whereas Ibram X. Kendi self imploded from what I understand. Good riddance.
Twas only inevitable when your solution for all social problems is "more racism in the other direction"
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@cristo71
I found Matt Walsh's parlor trick in getting Robin DiAngelo to donate her own money to his colored producer to be quite entertaining.
Considering that she charged an exorbitant fee to explain how all POC are all irreparably oppressed, including the producer of Matt's show.
Only in America can racism pay so well.
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@cristo71
The historical idea of "skin culture" suggested that all white people shared a single, unified culture just because they have similar skin color. But this idea is easily debunked because white people come from many different ethnic backgrounds, like Irish, Italian, Jewish, and more, each with their own distinct traditions and histories. It's also rooted in colonial slaver history, where the concept of a mythical "white culture" was used to justify oppression and dominance. America today is composed of both colonists and immigrants, so there is no basis for the case that this "unifying culture" exists today anywhere in America.
The "white privilege" refers to the advantages people seen as white often get in society, like easier access to jobs or fairer treatment by police. But this idea is equally debunked, mostly because it oversimplifies complex issues by focusing primarily on race without considering major factors like class, culture, or personal experience. Both of these postmodern concepts fail to recognize the diversity within racial groups and how actual privilege and culture work.
The only reason I can see why these shrill white "liberals" perpetuate the idea of privilege is to hold on to the myth that their skin color somehow makes them more than what they really are.
In other words, a racist.
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@ebuc
lol, so how did we have a civil war if everyone with white skin voted Democrat and supported slavery? (spoiler, they did not)
skin culture is a myth.
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@cristo71
I see disgusting parallels in the way Native Americans and people of color or POC have been treated by 'liberal' white communities. A major reason why many Native Americans continue to live in poverty is that white communities, in their attempts to 'save' them, often prevent space for Native Americans to address and solve their own issues. This myopic ethnocentrism needs to change if we truly want a unified country, where everyone is able to thrive within their own culture, rather than conforming to, or being subsidized by what racist whites deem "the appropriate way of life."
If the last election taught these liberal whites anything, it is that there is no "appropriate unifying white culture"
They can call MAGA a "garbage culture" all day long, but it doesn't negate the fact that a singular objective skin culture is, (and was,) never a real thing. Nothing needs to be "uplifted" by these self-important "white saviors."
Clark is dead wrong.
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@cristo71
Yes of course. The point is: just because you grow up fatherless doesn't mean you have no ability due to your skin color to choose to discard a broken culture.
There are choices that transcend skin color. And clearly, they didn't need "the great white savior" to make the choice to leave a toxic culture that promoted fatherlessness and limited education. Or at least the Nigerians sure as hell did not.
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@Double_R
I get that, but objectively speaking, Nigerians grow up in far more poverty and lack education opportunities, yet make the transition to a productive culture once they arrive in America. The fact that they do not associate with black American culture speaks volumes.
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@Double_R
Poor education and fatherlessness is not something one chooses,
Then this is the stupidest comment I ever heard from you. It reeks of ethnocentrism, and shows a complete lack of awareness for the standard stigmas in that culture toward education. They choose that culture because otherwise, they would have the same outcomes as the Nigerians who have a completely separate culture. Your skin doesn't dictate your culture. YOU DO.
This is basic common sense. You don't get dealt your culture, you choose to accept it when you become of age to do so. And the last thing racist whites should be doing is subsidizing a broken culture that discourages fathers and education with tax funds....
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@Best.Korea
Weren't those imposed by white people?
Yes, racist whites who wanted to revive the 1800's culture of low expectations for American born. And still play the grift today.
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@Shila
The idea that skin color determines success is not only outdated but fundamentally flawed. Look no further than Nigerian immigrants in the United States, who consistently outperform American-born whites and blacks across education and economic metrics. Nigerians arrive with strong cultural values that emphasize education, family stability, and personal responsibility, and they achieve remarkable success despite facing the same societal conditions and systemic challenges as everyone else. This isn’t a matter of race—it's a matter of culture. Success comes from the values you live by, not the color of your skin.
Thomas Sowell’s research proves this point even more clearly. Prior to the 1960s, Black American culture shared similar values to what we see in Nigerian immigrant households today. Back then, when systemic racism was an actual thing, literacy rates were high, two-parent families were the norm, and communities embraced personal responsibility and hard work. That changed with the rise of welfare programs, which, though well-intentioned, created incentives for fatherlessness and dependency. Cultural norms shifted, and as a result, the pursuit of education and family cohesion was undermined. It’s not racism holding people back today—it’s a cultural system full of the bigotry of soft expectations that rewards underachievement and punishes those who dare to succeed or appear anywhere near "culturally white."
The truth is, tunneling the blame of insignificant external factors like 2024 racism ignores the power of personal choice and cultural values. If success were about skin color, Nigerians would face the same struggles as American-born blacks. But they don’t, and haven't for many decades, because they’ve chosen to participate in a culture that prioritizes progress. It’s time to stop pretending that systemic racism or “privilege” determines everything and recognize that culture and values are what truly matter. If you want to succeed, align yourself with a culture that rewards ambition, not one that "elevates" mediocrity.
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@Double_R
@WyIted
There's no science that draws any correlation between skin color and the chance of growing up fatherless (or "unprivileged.)
This was definitively debunked in the 90's when statistical data showed Nigerian immigrants with African culture easily surpassing Americanized whites and blacks in almost every metric. Modern privilege has never been about nature (skin color) and has always been about nurture (culture)
The only reason why Americanized blacks are "unprivileged" is because they choose to live in a culture of poor education and fatherlessness. Their community practically exiles you if you even 'sound' educated, or chastise your mother for being a crap wife. Has nothing to do with skin color. Period.
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@WyIted
"The more we can elevate black women, that’s going to be a beautiful thing.”
-Clark
"I want to say I’ve earned every single thing, but as a white person, there is privilege."
-Clark
The issue here is, do whites have an obligation to tell racists of all colors to say "you are wrong" when they try to Necro 1800's racial science based solely on skin color?
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@Shila
A classless society is one of the cornerstones of MAGA.
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@Shila
Yes, according to the massively racist Clark.
Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all others because you were born in it. —George Bernard Shaw
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@Double_R
Feel free to parse her quotes down for us...
"The more we can elevate black women, that’s going to be a beautiful thing.”
"I want to say I’ve earned every single thing, but as a white person, there is privilege."
To me, it's as clear as daylight. Whites are patronizingly superior due to skin color and in the unique position to elevate people who are inferior due to their skin color.
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@AustinL0926
I'm driving to Canada on the 20th (fun!)
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@SocraticGregarian96
The more we can elevate black women, that’s going to be a beautiful thing.”
Elevating someone on the basis of race should have been a historical footnote, not a vision for the future.
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@WyIted
I wonder if watching congressional hearings counts as "insider trading" compared to the people that barely know what Congress is.
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@IlDiavolo
yep. They probably don't want to panic people because they cant evacuate a state.
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@Sidewalker
In other words, you don't know anything. You could have just said nothing and the message would be the same.
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@WyIted
It's not just the deep state that has a lot to lose. All the oligarchs around the world are pissed too.
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@FLRW
Trump should donate 90% of the money he stole from George Snuffleupagus.
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Caitlyn Clark disagrees. As one of the very few good white WNBA players, it's clearly due to her skin color.
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@Best.Korea
The point of religion (like Tao) is for people to police themselves.
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@Shila
'60 percent of conflicts are in Muslim countries' Over religion.
Curiously, the other 40% of Muslim nations have no exploitable oil.
So you are wrong.
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