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@n8nrgmi
Why do you support the Ultra-Rich?
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@Double_R
This discussion has made me very curious about another phenomenon.
How do you feel and how do you rationalize it when the ultra-rich lobbies support the same positions as you do assuming you acknowledge that ultra-rich lobbies do not have your interests in mind at all.
In other words, what is your thought process for when this happens?
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@Double_R
he made it his literal policy to take the children away from their parents,
You are so out of touch with the truth about what is going on at the border. Parents have been and are now sending kids there unaccompanied (many paying their life savings to do so) knowing their kids will have a better life in America and their kids can't be deported. This was going on long before Trump was president and you were told to care.
There was nobody "ripping kids out of the arms of parents" The shelters were for unaccompanied minors. The parents of a large majority of these kids made the choice to take the risks of illegal migration and sent their kids to the border unaccompanied.
After the child migrant crisis broke out earlier this summer, some reports say that smugglers spread rumors about a possible immigration amnesty. What is clear is that smugglers seem to know that Central American children who make it to the border are not immediately deported back, thanks to a 2008 anti-trafficking law and to the backlog of cases in immigration court.
According to a 2012 study by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, a majority of migrants report using the services of a smuggler. In the case of children migrants, Elizabeth Kennedy, a Fulbright scholar and researcher on child migration in El Salvador, estimates that more than half the children are smuggled using coyotes.
I remember reading an article a few years back where the government tried to reunite some kids with their parents, and their parents refused to take the kids back to their home country, essentially denying that they were the parent so that their kids would become Americans. If the parent just spent their life savings paying a smuggler to send their kids across the border, why on earth would you reasonably think the parents WANT to be reunited with their kids? Maybe in the future, Biden and Congress might make a law granting amnesty to these parents, but until that time, those kids in cages won't be reunited.
creating an artificial need to house those children at the border.
No, it was a 2008 law from Congress, not Trump. Are you even willing to listen to a sentence about real-world problems that does not have the word "Trump" in it?
Amnesty has been supported for decades by ultra-rich labor lobbies, knowing it will lead to a flood of cheap illegal labor. Most people are instructed by the media to care about people outside of America so they won't pay attention to the millions of displaced poor Americans from immigration policies that mainly benefit the ultra-wealthy. It's this kind of unexamined mindless virtue-signaling that makes the nation susceptible to the manipulation of the "good-hearted" by the wealthy elites by supporting toxic policies that appear virtuous at a fleeting glance.
Sanctuary cities are the last bastions of the exploitive ultra-rich and the capitols of wealth inequality.
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@Double_R
For decades now, America’s been developing an immigration industrial complex: a self-perpetuating machine whose gears are greased with lobbying funds forever topped up by slashed labor costs and increased consumption spurred on by record high and rising population growth. Whenever pro-enforcement bills manage to push through the tide, they’re either defunded or ignored. Take the 2006 Secure Fence Act that promised 700 miles of fencing along the southern border but never got the funding.
But you think this is a "Trump problem" only because you were told it was a Trump problem.
(If only he REALLY cared about legal immigration but my trusted mindreaders told me what was in his head. His Nazi brain wants racial supremacy that's it. That's why we have a problem)
This is why we can't discuss things.
Did you even bother to read it
Yeah. Would you like me to list in order the baseless and ultimately meaningless hyperboles in that puff piece or are you willing to discuss actual underlying problems with immigration? You know, the same problems that are making Biden put thousands of kids in cages right now?
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/22299135/biden-kids-cages-migrant-children-carrizo-homestead
This is the actual problem that has been around long before you were told to worry about Trump.
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@Double_R
Your article you linked looks like it was drafted by a lobbyist group, probably big business looking to exploit illegal labor.
Grats on being a useful sheep.
Maybe you should examine why lobbies won't allow Congress to do anything rather than watch the pretty Trump birdie and go duhhhh.
Coming from someone who supports Trump... just... wow.
From someone who blindly supports crony Congress establishment and their lobbies...just...well whatever.
“I don’t see that the will is there to do it. I commend the White House and the President for what I think is going to end up to be sort of a broad outline of things that are important, but I’m unfortunately pessimistic as to what the future holds,” Sen. Shelley Moore-Capito, R-West Virginia, said. “I just think both sides are going to have a hard time getting together on this.”
For decades now, America’s been developing an immigration industrial complex: a self-perpetuating machine whose gears are greased with lobbying funds forever topped up by slashed labor costs and increased consumption spurred on by record high and rising population growth. Whenever pro-enforcement bills manage to push through the tide, they’re either defunded or ignored. Take the 2006 Secure Fence Act that promised 700 miles of fencing along the southern border but never got the funding.
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@Bringerofrain
why in the hell would scum ask me to kill them and then not kill me?
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Reason You Should Be Cast
I shouldn't
Your Attitude Towards Gambling
If you don't play, you can't get played.
Your Favourite Teaching of Sun Tzu
Know yourself before trying to know your enemy
Your Opinion of RM
Genius
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@Double_R
My response had nothing to do with supporting your baseless claim that Trump is against all legal immigration which includes merit-based immigration. Why even bother responding if you are going to appear delusional to everyone? I get that straw-manning Trump with wild hyperboles was a really fun game the past 4 years, but evidence is evidence. And you have none.
allowed the president’s critics to paint it in the darkest possible light, which is, of course, to be expected”
Thanks for furthering my point about the delusional hyperbolic expected attacks by critics.
Delusional people speak only in hyperboles. I can't believe you actually think a typical "ALL" statement denotes any kind of deep nuanced well examined thinking.
Occams Razor suggests you must be trolling.
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@Double_R
Show me evidence that he actually did anything about it.
He doesn't have the power. Elites in Congress do. That said, I am still correct since you have no evidence.
“I don’t see that the will is there to do it. I commend the White House and the President for what I think is going to end up to be sort of a broad outline of things that are important, but I’m unfortunately pessimistic as to what the future holds,” Sen. Shelley Moore-Capito, R-West Virginia, said. “I just think both sides are going to have a hard time getting together on this.”
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@coal
One of the main reasons why the SEC is most probably so dominant in College Football is from the heritage of the reckless redneck Southern Culture.
Listening to the Sowell Audiobook is so enlightening.
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@Double_R
Trump’s 4 years in office was a full on assault on all immigration. He even railed against “chain migration” which is oddly how his own in-laws got into the US.
I'd like to see your detailed evidence about how Trump was definitively against merit-based legal immigration.
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@coal
Next time you have a free 11 hours to spare lol!
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@coal
If it were not for Katrina, I would not have had the opportunity to enjoy life in Boston.
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@coal
I'm not sure I agree with everything in Black Rednecks and White Liberals, but I agree with a lot of it.
I grew up my 1st 30 years in New Orleans, so I can tell you from personal experience that Sowell is dead right about the cultural differences.
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@coal
It's worth contrasting that feedback loop with, for example, how black African immigrants to the United States typically fare (even including those for whom English is not their primary language). They out earn their American counterparts, their kids attend and graduate from college at considerably higher rates, and they often start off worse when they come to the United States than most. Nigerian immigrants in particular thrive in the United States. And if there were such a thing as systemic or institutional racism, you'd expect it to limit them far more.
There is also a cultural aspect to this that transcends mere skin color or race.
Sowell explains that the Black Redneck culture that migrated north was instantly and widely celebrated by the progressive left as endemic of the Black Race and used as a justification for all sorts of sinister policies.
What is absolutely hilarious and eye-opening is that Sowell took the time and effort to trace down the actual roots of Ebonics, and it didn't come from Africa. Ebonics came from fringe British cultures that immigrated to the American South.
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@coal
I know less about Malcolm X than I do about MLK, but I'm generally familiar with both. MLK was, for me, just far more compelling figure.MLK's intellectual history traced subjects that I have been interested for some time, particularly his interest in Tolstoy's theological scholarship (which formed the basis for Gandhi's movement in India, which in many ways inspired MLK's actions during the Civil Rights movement).
When I was in my 40's I generally accepted the mainstream academic line that Malcolm X was a dangerous Black Separatist radical. It's only recently in the last couple of years that I actually read in-depth about how he changed his views near his coinciding death that made me question the conventional narrative about his life. Probably why most people dismiss Malcolm X is because the conventional narrative persists.
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@coal
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@coal
When MLK realized this, the FBI had him killed. It's worth keeping that in mind.
They also encouraged the murder of Malcolm X when he came back from Africa and saw the truth about "the system."
As soon as Malcolm X renounced Black Separatism upon his return from Cairo, he became useless to the White Elites who needed (and today still need) the conflict to maintain power.
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@coal
1. Intellectual and Race, by Thomas Sowell; and2. Intellectuals and Society, by Thomas Sowell.
I absolutely love Thomas Sowell. He definitely doesn't give 2 fucks about how his opinions come across to the general population.
Reading your post, I wonder how you feel about the rise of the acceptance of Conspiracy theories from all sides and how it might coincide with the current age of Corporate media disinformation and targetted censorship?
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@Double_R
As much as I disagree with Amazon getting any tax breaks...
The elites in the Democrat Party disagree with you. Lobbyists make the decisions, not you or people you know.
The reason why Blue States have most of the the ultra-rich is because the Democrat Party does a really good job catering to the ultra-rich.
You have to be a serious Ostrich-head to believe differently.
how does this compare to republicans passing a $2T tax bill for which 83% of the benefits went to the top 1%?
It shows that the Republicans are a LOT worse at catering to the Ultra-Rich, try as they might. Otherwise, their states would have a lot more Jeff Bezos types than Blue States.
This entire thread is riddled with posts about how "great" it is to live in Blue States with the Ultra Rich inflating the GDP of those Blue States.
Grats on supporting the Ultra Rich.
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@Double_R
Read that article and tell me how the Democrats are not the party of tax cuts for the rich again.
I'll wait.
Maybe all that back-slapping for the elites has left you a little too disoriented to formulate a proper sounding apology for the ultra-rich.
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@Double_R
It never ceases to amaze me how the party of tax cuts for the rich managed to get their base to think their problem is all those elites on the other side.
Every tax bill a Democrat Politician passes is at the discretion of their elite lobby base. Why do you think tax legislation is thousands of pages long filled with select targetted exemptions if this was not the case? Lobbyists write those tax laws, not the politician you voted for.
Do you really think for a moment Bezos likes being in a blue state cause he likes to be taxed?
I remember when Ocasio Cortez blew the lid off the whole scam by exposing the exemptions, so Bezos had to walk away from New York.
At least Cortez isn't bought and paid for by powerful lobbies, so I can respect her for that.
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@bmdrocks21
Democrats can't pat themselves on the back enough for being the rich elites.
Those back-patting sessions must be more intense than an 1800's slave lashing.
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@ILikePie5
Funny how all the rich people be from hella blue areas. Makes sense tbh
Everything a Democrat accuses is something they are guilty of. It is axiomatic and apparent.
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@n8nrgmi
How does it feel to be a proud footsoldier for the exploitative rich elites?
I hope it's a smug satisfaction.
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VTL WF. That was a hell of a lot of scummy counterattacking.
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@bmdrocks21
Californians think they have been eating the rich, but it was really FDA-approved substitutes.
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@n8nrgmi
@bmdrocks21
You expect places with such ridiculous amounts of inequality to have a lot of violence.
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@bmdrocks21
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@n8nrgmi
So Democrats are the party of the rich exploiters and income inequality having more than half the total homeless of the USA.
Grats.
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I can do pie tonight if that's what you really want. I think they killed Luna simply because he is the best scumhunter
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@bmdrocks21
Do you think that saving the lives of hundreds of Americans is something that should be considered or ignored when making policies?
It's more than just saving a few hundred lives though. It's the setting of a National Policy bar so that allowing the taking of 100 lives doesn't turn into a problem where the enemy becomes brave enough to kill millions of Americans.
Similarly, Border policy isn't JUST about locking up a few hundred kids in cages. It's about setting a National Policy so that allowing hundreds of kids to become American citizens doesn't turn into a million kids.
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@ILikePie5
I agree with y’all. It’s a moral standpoint for sure. There’s no way for the government to enforce the laws anyway. My belief is that zero government funding should go to organizations that perform abortions. The government shouldn’t be promoting abortion rather discouraging it
If the Federal government is set on funding abortions, then an amount of funding also needs to be set aside for adoptions plus childbearing costs. If it's the socially accepted policy of the government to subsidize personal lifestyle choices, then it needs to subsidize all lifestyle choices.
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@coal
If Republicans were to be logically consistent with "life begins at the moment of conception" then they have to also believe that the Government exercises more ownership over the fetus than the parent does by intervening through a form of Child Protective Services mandating how a parent should treat the fetus.
The logical end to that position would be that the Government intervention begins at the moment of conception. If the Government is going to take on all that responsibility, then it should also pay for adoptive services plus the costs of bearing a child for 9 months if the parent does not want the child. As a matter of fairness.
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@Bringerofrain
No offense of course, but Wylted used to go on chemical trips so it's possible to confuse you with him.
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@ILikePie5
Wylted is a contrarian, so neither left nor right.
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@Bringerofrain
If Pie was Scum he would have attacked you more than defending, which I don't think he did.
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@ILikePie5
Is bringer Wylted? Cause this is something Wylted would do.
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@Bringerofrain
Your DP1 reads are aweful TBH.
Let's hope we get some better play out of you DP2.
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@whiteflame
I guess this makes you solid town in my eyes since scum probably wouldn't volunteer this.
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@ILikePie5
I have insane one-punch power. All but one of my 42 wins have come by KO. Therefore: I am the even night vig. On even night phases I can choose to kill one player.
HOWEVER, since I am no longer a champion, My shot will need to be approved by another player who will be randomly selected.
I asked Warren if Mafia could be selected and he said yes.
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@whiteflame
OP said specifically for vanillas to not check out during NP because of this flavor he put in to have a confirmation sent to a random person.
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