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@ILikePie5
Lol why do they care about a corrupt FBI? Their voters sure as hell don't care.
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@3RU7AL
Please explain how "the conservatives" prevented The Patriot Act.
Most Republicans in Congress are not conservative.
Most Democrats in Congress are not progressive.
Both political parties do not give a shit about preserving "hierarchy and social structures."
Both do give a shit about preserving the status quo and the social structures of the hierarchal elites in D.C.
The posts in this thread clearly indicate most people don't understand this truism even after the last 4 years of it being shoved in front of our disbelieving faces.
Which means this charade will probably continue long after Trump is gone and forgotten.
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@zedvictor4
Some would say that "Right Wing Conservative Politics" are tyrannical.
I am sure King George III said that.
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@Username
preservation of freedoms from a tyrannical government
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@ILikePie5
Gated community is where it is at.
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@ILikePie5
Nah, white liberals are getting canceled too as collateral damage in the quest for "equality."
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@ILikePie5
At least racism against Blacks in a hypercritical cancel culture is absolutely on the decline. Being white is apparently not OK so much anymore though.
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@Dr.Franklin
I have a suspicion that this deal is to keep Turkey in check while also denying Assad a bargaining chip.
Potentially giving the USA a viable exit strategy.
You saw the insane negative MSM coverage when Turkey overran the SDF after the initial pullout.
The idea is to weaken enemy alliances and making new ones by offering Turkey a cut of the oil revenues.
It's a bold complex move that might reap dividends in a region that is inherently in turmoil and ever-changing risks.
The idea of a complete pullout was torpedoed by the MSM and their Warhawk supporters with endless headlines blaming the USA for abandoning their loveable Kurds.
So that strategy is off the table, at least until after Nov 3.
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@ILikePie5
It's enlightening to evaluate likely hypotheses from academic consensus and field experts and then use that info to get facts, run studies, analyze data, and prove those hypotheses.
What is not enlightening is to simply "trust the experts" without conclusive proof especially when academic accreditation is such a scam in the USA, and power politics funding public education is a classical motivation for misinformation.
Even Einstein was wrong about a lot of things, which is why enlightened people choose science over consensus or credentials.
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@Trent0405
They are the best people in their respective field so yes I will trust them.
Well then I feel kinda bad for your missed opportunities for enlightenment, but I guess there is merit in going through a blissful life.
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@Trent0405
No, it's about the consensus of scientists themselves not people in general.
Pedigrees are not proof of an argument. That's an argument from authority to say "academics believe x"
Not that it even matters because consensus is never proof of science and is often historically wrong and vapid with cultural fads.
Get better proof.
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@Trent0405
Plus I think a near total academic consensus is good enough proof.
Lol, science isn't about popular consensus. If that was the case then angels would exist. I guess we are done here.
all it requires is people to have implicit biases.
That's a genetic/neurochemical argument, which I thought you had dropped earlier in this thread.
By all means, pick that ball back up and run with it and see where it goes.
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@Trent0405
Again we have to work off of what data is avalible to form the best and most objective opinion possible.
Covert systemic racism in a nation with less than 1000 KKK is such an implausible concept, you are simply going to need better proof.
Simply citing that criminals from violent ethnic cultures just happen to have many criminals with colored skin doesn't make the case that colored skin in itself is a significant factor in law enforcement.
Cases excluding cultural factors absolutely must be accounted for in order to make such a wild conclusion.
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If this is your contention at this point then that's fine, but your point is rather unpersuasive.
So you actually believe plea bargains can be accounted for?
You are not even remotely skeptical or curious about how they accounted for that?
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@Trent0405
Lol, no it is not. Saying unicorns exist would be more compelling than this obviously biased study.
It's absolutely impossible to account for plea deals since there is no record of the smaller crimes.
Show us the methodology, or not. Until then, believe in your unicorns.
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@Trent0405
I am unsure of how they accounted for it, but they accounted for it nonetheless.
Yeah, "trust me" isn't going to sway me.
I think it's fair to assume the researchers accounted for it correctly
No, it is not. Studies are routinely flawed, which is why in this instance Occam's razor trumps the conclusions.
If you are going to declare a wild, highly improbable conclusion, you had better have more compelling data than just "trust us"
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
A better question is to ask why some are so motivated to equate systemic violent ethnic cultures with skin color. Nurtured beliefs and learned behavior isn't dependent on any shade of skin.
There is NO study out there that can even remotely equate nurtured cultural beliefs with skin color. There are people of all colors in every culture. Both the violent cultures and the non-violent ones. Some beliefs and cultures are inherently and systemically bad outside of the irrelevent factor of skin color. How is this even debateable?
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@ILikePie5
And how many of those black men had weapons? It’s seems as though every time you point to a study it leaves out a key aspect of what causes the shootings in the first place.
Yeah this study is not clear at all about the mitigating factors. It's more like "trust us, we accounted for ALL the variables"
In the sentencing study, they make no mention of other factors during sentencing, like disrespect toward the judge (most African cultures treat the court system with contempt)
It's a very real factor, if you are smiling and laughing at the judge, you are going to get a longer sentence, no matter what the color of your skin is.
They also make no mention of additional actions during the commision of the crime, which the court to save time and money drops the lesser charges that are easily provable in exchange for a larger sentence for the larger crime. Plea bargaining is a very real factor and this study just shrugs its shoulders and says "trust us, we accounted for that"
Exactly how do you account for plea deals when the lesser crimes are not even included in the record? That's obviously a bullshit claim.
"it's definitely only attributed to the shade of your skin" No mention of gang affiliation, no mention of personal remorse. No mention of defiance toward western values.
The statement "we accounted for that" is absolutely a far-fetched claim.
When you are dealing with a systemically violent culture, one does not simply "account for that" without details.
Occams razor screams covert systemic racism isn't likely given that there are less than 1000 KKK members among the 340 Million Americans and 800,000 trained police lawmen.
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@Trent0405
I did a ctrl-f for the word repeat or repeat offender with no hits. No mention of the 3 strike laws.
Direct me to this or not. I don't care. Simply stating general terms isn't sufficient for me.
how does the study account for repeat offenders and mandatory sentencing laws? It's a vital question. Just claiming you did with no details doesn't mean anything. It's just someone's opinion at that point.
Let's see the before and after data. The methodology matters.
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@Trent0405
Yep, the study clearly states it accounts for "prior criminal history." I pointed this out in post #1.
It's not so clear. I did a ctrl-f for the word repeat or repeat offender with no hits. No mention of the 3 strike laws.
Care to explain?
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Nope, I think the sentencing point shows how people are getting way longer sentences purely because of race.
Did you factor in the repeat offender laws? Because sometimes the judges don't have a choice.
Also, if people are assuming that black people all have saggy pants, and as a result African Americans are discriminated against then that is systemic racism.
That might be a problem of racism from the individuals who are not police officers assuming things then.
Just be glad they are only trained to hold a megaphone instead of a gun.
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This does not debunk systemic racism though.
I think the terminology you are stretching for is the systemic profiling of problematic cultures.
Occams razor surely applies here. The police go where the crime is, and not all blacks wear saggy pants and run in a gang. It just might appear that way to someone who has never been trained to go where the crime is.
but the data suggests that they are indeed biased against African Americans, that's all.
It never is simply "that's all" when accounting for disproportionally violent ethnic cultures. That disproportional metric will always appear biased to someone not trained to notice problematic cultures.
It's a classic power game of misinformation to suggest most blacks embracing a dangerous culture commit crimes at the same rate as other people in other communities. I would have thought the intelligence of most people on this site would not require something so obviously basic like this explained.
Again, you're going to have to drop the term "systemic racism" if you already debunked the idea that police are trained to target all black people, not just the ones in problematic communities. It's insanely unlikely that there is a secret training program police of every race undergo to systemically target people on the color of their skin alone. Because that is what systemic racism implies, that the color of your skin alone is sufficient cause for the police no matter what neighborhood you live in and no matter what other circumstances may be present. In fact, there are actually a lot of studies out there that show the opposite effect occurs and is trending upwards due to the unrealistic expectations of the public pressuring police to grant people of color unearned privileges and exemptions. Especially the violent ones.
Basically that the rates of criminality are actually higher than the expected police response required to deal with that crime.
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@Trent0405
Perhaps you can drop the misleading term race then and focus on the cultural biases instead.
Surely you do not think all cultures are equally prone to similar rates of criminality?
Occams razor suggests the police simply go where the crime is, rather than being involved in an elaborate covert conspiracy to purify the gene pool being secretly trained to filter out "bad DNA."
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@Trent0405
Before going into the obvious cultural differences in ethnic communities and without even scratching the surface of explaining why african cultures commit dispropotionate crimes trending up, not down...
Do you think there is an actual genetic argument to be made here?
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@MisterChris
Well, Asians don't need incentives to behave...Asian...
You won't see many cultural Asians wearing saggy pants.
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@MisterChris
Asian culture is very family-oriented with very strong work ethics and self-investment enforced with public shaming.
African culture just isn't near the same level, nor European culture for that matter.
I suppose IQ tests are an indicator of the more "fit" (in the Darwinian sense of the word) cultures, but I don't advocate the involuntary enforcement of cultural hegemony...
(as China does.)
Incentives would be okay though.
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@ILikePie5
Swingstates don't trust new york or california libs.
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@bmdrocks21
1. Detroit 1962-present Democrat
2. St. Louis 1953-present Democrat
3. Oakland 1977-present Democrat
4. Memphis 1893-present Democrat (130 years of uncontested rule...wow!)
5. Birmingham 1975-present Democrat
6. Atlanta 1991-present Democrat (back to 1955 if you leave out the one republican 88-91)
7. Baltimore 1967-present Democrat
8. Stockton alternating Dem/Repub
9. Cleveland 1990-present Democrat
10. Buffalo 1966-present Democrat
The citizens of Chicago have not elected a Republican mayor since 1927, when William Thompson was voted into office.
The city council likewise has been 100% filled with Democrats.
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@ILikePie5
while supporting the same old Joe, who is proven to do nothing for poor people.
He doesn't like the status quo Joe.
This is no surprise to most of us. Their policies have failed for decades and will continue to fail because they're simply not grounded in reality. They make policy based on some future utopia that doesn't exist instead of the actual world we live in. That's a recipe for failure, and that's all they do.
They can say it's because people are poor and that may be. More importantly, people are dependent on government agencies to supply them with their necessities. Since they are handed everything and not working like many others, they have time on their hands. Time to get in trouble. Their fatherless families, lack of respect for authority and lack of independence, AND the desire to change their situations are all sabotage of success of law-abiding contributing members of society and the good of mankind.
But I am adding I was shocked as hell when I heard Trump allocated 16 BILLION dollars to Cummings district of Baltimore Maryland alone in 2018. I am in the process of searching how much money just in the last 10 years went to some of these 'poor' cities and what the heck they did they with all the money. I think these leaders have a lot to answer for and instead of crying racism every time they are in the limelight for flaws in their management, they need to do what they were elected to do. Unfortunately, many of the same Democrat leaders are elected over and over so nothing ever changes even though billions are funneled in.
Ok now, look into the history of the industries that used to thrive in most of those areas.
You mean the industries that had to flee the country to survive after NAFTA (Clinton) and Democratic tax laws?
Or the ones that were doing better, but had to flee these cities because of the additional tax burden imposed on them by Democratic leadership?
As far as someone stepping in and attempting to fix those broken cities, it certainly wasn't Democrats or they wouldn't be the hellholes they are now.
No.. what Democrats did was come in, promise the moon and deliver nothing in return for votes and put a bunch of money into their own pockets in the process of consolidating power. Unless you are attempting to say that Democratic policies somehow "worked" after the Federal government has thrown billions and billions and billions of taxpayer dollars into Democratic hands to "fix" it?
Or you could simply admit that 50 years of uncontested Democratic policies for centrally planned urban development don't actually work in reality because...well take a ride around and look.
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@HistoryBuff
We should only target democratic mayors....
Lets start with 9 out of the top 10 worst.
Then we can get that rogue Republican in Stockton
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@HistoryBuff
Im not picking anyone I like or don't like. These are the people responsible for 50 years of failed policies.
Let's start with the problems that have consistently gotten worse under their leadership. Them.
More of the same isn't a viable solution.
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@HistoryBuff
Systemic Poverty and inequality is also rampant in cities run by systemic Democrats for the past 50 years, most of them Democrats of color.
Seems like we can start with this first.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
kids killed in Chicago on any given weekend etc
There is a disgusting statistic where 2900 blacks were shot in a year in Chicago, and 17 were shot by cops (white and black cops)
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
black lives matter more to non blacks it sure seems.
Only the black lives with the proper Marxist groupthink.
BLM won't give the family of this man any money either for his lost Black Life out of the billions donated while it has a political agenda to pursue.
It's not about lives or blacks. It's about a Marxist Revolution.
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@HistoryBuff
Floyd's family got zero money out of the billions donated to BLM.
It's not about actual lives.
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@HistoryBuff
The only thing she adds to the ticket is donor support. The donor class loves kamela. They see her for what she is, one of them. an elite who will protect the rich and punish to poor. I don't see how she brings in a single vote for Biden. But she might help him attract more billionaire donors.
California is huge for donors, which is why Clinton made over 20 Campaign stops in California despite winning the state by a whopping 62% to 32% margin.
Trump made zero stops in California in the final 10 weeks.
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@ILikePie5
The whole protest was over “systemic racism” in police departments. Where here do you see racism is what the thread is asking.
Most people on the left don't actually care about systemic racism. It's just another forgotten buzzword to gain power.
That's the real deal, the fundamental change of America.
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@Vader
Biden: Let's cater to the anti "racist police" mob.
Also Biden:: Let's bring on Kamala to show our support for the "racist police."
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@ILikePie5
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@Dr.Franklin
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@Dr.Franklin
Melanin supremacy in action.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
Black Privilege is a social construct.
It sure as hell has absolutely NOTHING to do with DNA or chemistry.
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@ILikePie5
@zedvictor4
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@MisterChris
What does this have to do with the DNA of a person's melanin?
Is it really so far fetched to believe systemic cultural problems are not driven by chemistry and are actually driven by ideology?
“We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and ‘villages’ that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.”
What the fuck does this statement have to do with DNA and chemistry?
People toss out the term "race" without even pausing to think about it anymore.
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@bmdrocks21
What does this have to do with the DNA of a person's melanin?
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@ILikePie5
That's their main purpose, yes.
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@Swagnarok
Yah, I subbed in for a few mafia games when they didn't have a lot of people.
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Hezbollah who has ruled with an iron tyrannical fist around the Israeli geographical area, is finally seeing pushback from the people that live under their rule.
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