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@Greyparrot
Because nobody could pay Trump to fuck the economy up.Biden on the other hand is very open to any and all offers.
The economy is already fucked up. And trump did absolutely nothing to fix it. In fact, cutting regulations does alot to help fuck it up more.
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@n8nrgmi
I'd say we need to strike at the root of the problem 1st, which is the rampant corruption. We need to ban lobbying. We need to ban corporations donating to political campaigns. The only way to get the government to stop pandering to the corporate interests is to sever the tendrils of corruption these companies use to control politicians.
It's going to be virtually impossible to get any significant reform through if these companies control the campaign finances of most of the government.
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@ethang5
Now, even with Trump's miracle speed on getting a vaccine, Biden says it will get worse before it gets better. Had Trump not been cheated out of his win, Biden would have blamed the "getting worse" on Trump.
We're already doing that, because it is his fault. The vaccine production went really well. But Trump put absolutely no plan in place for distributing the vaccine and now it has turned into a train wreck trying to get it actually distributed. Biden now has to try to straighten out this colossal fuck up.
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@Greyparrot
Hedge Fund managers can only reliably make money if they can pay a politician to selectively fuck the economy over. They pay politicians to use Federal power to pick economic winners and losers.
Ok. but again, how does that have anything to do with Biden specifically? This has to do with the entire economic system. A system Trump is very much a part of and made no effort to fix. So why is this somehow biden's fault, but trump isn't equally guilty?
To be clear, I am not defending Robinhood, I am not defending Hedge Funds or Speculators and I am certainly not defending Biden. I agree that Biden is certainly a part of this corrupt system. But don't pretend like Trump isn't just as much a part of it.
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@ILikePie5
Imagine a self-described Progressive defending the actions of hedge funds and their corporate ally in Robinhood.
who here has defended hedge funds or Robinhood? I certainly haven't. I fully support investigating their actions. But pretending like this somehow involves joe biden makes you look stupid.
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@Greyparrot
Lol, They most certainly DID step in to help Hedge funds by allowing the Robinhood freeze on buying but not selling.
what rules did that break? Go ahead and specify the exact regulations Robinhood broke when they did that and then tell me exactly what the SEC could have done about it?
At present, as far as I know, doing that didn't break any rules. I agree it was scummy, but it isn't clear there is anything specific the SEC could do about right now without investigating.
Go back to watching sleepytime with CNN
I agree with them that it needs to be investigated. But investigations take time, not a matter of days.
Sheet imagine a Marxist defending Hedge fund oligarchies...
why are people on here so incurably thick? I am not a marxist and I have never defended hedge funds or Robinhood. Why are you pretending like that is what I am saying?
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@ILikePie5
It was obvious he was fighting the Swamp lol.
how? what specifically did he do to fight "the swamp"? he gave the rich tax cuts, he appointed tons of corrupt "swamp people" to critical roles where they protected their swamp friends.
Hell the Establishment Republicans were against him.
of course they were. but because he was an electoral liability. As shown by him losing the house, senate and presidency under his leadership. His policies were cookie cutter republican, corrupt bullshit.
Yes you actually should go watch it to understand how cutthroat these people are. It’s all politics is: screwing people over for your own gain. Why the hell do you think Trump got unified resistance from the elites lol.
so your point is that he is too weak/stupid to accomplish things because much smarter people stopped him? Keeping in mind he appointed alot of those people.
What lol. The fact that Joe Biden’s SEC isn’t doing anything is telling in itself. I wonder why they aren’t doing anything. Oh right cause they’re all funded by Wall Street.
so the SEC hasn't stepped in to help hedge funds, so therefore Biden is corrupt.... do you think you are making sense, because you aren't.
That’s the point lol. He’s letting Robinhood and Wall Street screw over your average Joe because it benefits his cronies on Wall Street. The people that funded his campaign have to get something back from The Big Man
what would they have done? They would need to investigate to determine if they have broken any rules. It isn't clear that they did.
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@ILikePie5
That’s literally the economy of the entire Iron Range. Where else do you propose we get the metals?
1 specific mine is the economy of the entire iron range? really?
The same China that would pollute 10x as much. Good job environmentalists.
so your argument is that we should poison americans to keep china from poisoning chinese people? Seriously? that is a seriously stupid argument.
Let’s just let the Chinese kill their people then. Gimme a break dude. These are all buzz words.
wait, so you think mines poisoning water supplies is what, fake? You don't believe that happens? Here is a link to a mine that had the same type of polution they are worried about at twin metals mine. They killed everything in the water for miles and cost the government hundreds of millions to try to clean it up. This is not "buzz words", this shit really happens and causes huge amounts of damage.
There’s technology in place to reduce all of this stuff.
sounds like someone is putting all their trust in "authority". You have no idea if they can really contain the contamination or not. You are just assuming they can.
The Iron Range in Minnesota was booming under Trump. Now it’s gonna go down the drains cause of Joe Biden. I didn’t here shit about the water in the Iron Range of Minnesota within the last 4 years. Did you?
lol what? the article you just provided me is from last year. IE "under trump". You are disproving your own statements before you even make them.
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@ILikePie5
He didn’t fail at anything.
oh, so the swamp was drained was it? corruption ended? I somehow don't think thats true. Not to mention he failed to win re-election after his disasterous 1st term, and he failed to come up with any proposal at all (let alone implement) health care reform like he kept promising.
It’s cutthroat. You literally need to watch House of Cards lol.
so you think i need to go and watch a fictional TV show in order to understand politics? But having watched trump make promises that he completely failed to deliver on, or even try to deliver, that isn't something I should look at?
The GameStop stuff isn’t happening under Trump. It’s happening under President Joe Biden and Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen who are both funded by Wall Street.
we weren't even talking about that. But since you brought it up, this has absolutely nothing to do with Joe Biden. The government hasn't done anything at all. So if the system is corrupt, then it was corrupt under Trump. I seem to recall him promising to drain the swamp... funny how everything is still prettty swampy.
Guess who’s fighting the people? Joe Biden and his Wall Street cronies.
Again, what does this have to do with Joe Biden? He hasn't weighed in on this situation at all as far as I know. So why do you think he is somehow corrupt for something he has nothing to do with?
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@ILikePie5
Uh yes they do lol, there was a whole controversy in Minnesota because of this lol. You need these metals to build the solar panels and the batteries.
That article says that they primarily are opposed to one specific mine, the Twin Metals mine which is a high risk of polluting a major water source. So, like I said, they are not opposed to mining, just the forms of mining that are particularly damaging.
What I’m saying is stop regulating the mining industry so prices are lower here and we don’t have to rely on China for the metals lol.\
What regulations are you talking about? the ones that prevent them poisoning people's water? What exactly are these regulations that are raising the prices that you want to get rid of.
Even if labor costs more here, there are a lot of other costs in the value chain that are avoided.
What exactly are you proposing? What changes do you think need to be made to make it more competitive? and do not tell me "cutting regulation". If that is going to be your answer I want very specific regulations you would propose cutting. If you lack specifics, I will call you out for having no idea what you are talking about.
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@ILikePie5
You don’t understand politics my friend. It’s not a nice realm to be in
lol trump massively failed and you still defend him. But someone I'm the one who doesn't understand politics? sure...
Yup, just like Biden and his Treasury Secretary protecting their comrades on Wall Street. Ever wonder why Wall Street funded Biden and not Trump. Corruption 101
so you acknowledge that trump is a failure because he appointed corrupt people and then didn't do anything to reign them in. is that correct?
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@ILikePie5
Why would any company mine earth metals in the US whenA) Democrats are against it
democrats aren't against mining. I don't know where you got that idea. They are against specific kinds of natural resource extraction that are particularly damaging. But not mining.
B) It’s cheaper to do it in China
I'm not sure I understand what your point is here. Are you advocating for market controls to force up the price up materials so that it is profitable to do mining in america? That doesn't sound like free market Capitolism to me. It sounds like government control of the market. Aren't you supposed to be against that?
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@Vader
Only thing I disagree with is restrictions. I am a Libertarian so I don't think markets should be restricted. If the average person can invest in these short funds and make some money for long term investments, then I have no problem.
well there are lots of way regulation can make things better. Without regulation you end up with a system prone to collapsing in on itself. Like the 2008 financial crisis. a little bit of banking regulation would have prevented that entire crisis. But because rules were so lacking, banks took insane risks chasing profits and ended up causing massive damage to everyone.
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@ILikePie5
People don’t understand politics my guy. Mitch McConnell and his establishment cronies blackmailed him into rescinding it. It’s so obvious lol. Anyone who has watched House of Cards would know this
man, trump cultists really love excuses. Oh trump is so great, it's not his fault he is a massive failure who abandoned his campaign promises it is those mean, nasty (insert random group here)!! trump would have done great things if it weren't for (insert random group here).
Trump is a failure of a president. He made promises, then did absolutely nothing about them. He filled his cabinet with corrupt men and just did the policies they told him to. Whether he was lying and never cared about those promises or he was a weak/stupid man is up for debate. But his complete failure is pretty clear.
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@ILikePie5
It’s not shitty if you’re making money exploiting Chinese workers lol.
Do you think I have ever said that it was a good thing to exploit Chinese workers? It isn't. But we can't regulate how china treats it's workers. We can, and should, regulate how American workers are treated.
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@Dr.Franklin
no, Trump is very smart, he outsmarted everybody to win the presidency including the media!
I have always given him credit for this. It is his one real talent. He is a showman. He knows how to read people and tell them what they want to hear. But that doesn't make him smart.
He made a mistake in making Jared Kushner or jeff sessions in his administration, the republicans sided with him and first but rinos like Paul Ryan did nothing but interfere with his promises
You're basically just admitting a reason he is stupid. He filled his cabinet with the same people who have been running the republican party for years. He then did nothing to try to actually push for the agenda he campaigned on. So either he is stupid for appointing these people and then not pushing for his agenda or he is just lazy and didn't give a shit about all those promises he just didn't bother to try to keep. I think it's both.
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@ethang5
When the time came, he fought Republicans and pissed them off too.
Lol how exactly did he do that? He gave the republicans everything they wanted (tax cuts for the rich, cutting things for the poor and middle class, cutting regulations so that the rich can screw people over more etc). Policy wise, he did almost nothing they didn't want him to do.
Fights like gaining back the country from leftist loons and bringing sanity back to government take years
this doesn't even make sense. There are virtually no "leftists" in the US government. They are all different shades of right wing. I'm guessing you just mean culture war bullshit. But economically, the democrats and the republicans are both right wing.
Activism had infected our courts to the point that out legal judgements had become a laughing stock around the world.
I agree activism is bad for the courts. Which is why trump packing them with far right wing judges is horrible. He has made the legal system a laughing stock by making it part of the republican party.
Europe was not paying their fair share for their defense. Trump exposed that.
So the US massively over funds it's military, so obviously everyone else is at fault....
China was invading our markets but not letting us into theirs. Trump called them out on it. No other President ever had.
even if that is true, he accomplished absolutely nothing. The trade relationship hasn't changed at all.
Trump exposed the stinking leftist bias in big tech.
i'm just going to let these oft repeated right wing lie slide since there is no point getting into that with you again.
It is because of him that we have Parler, Gab, Newsmax, OANN, and countless new apps and sites coming up
so you are saying it is his fault we have waves of lunatics spreading the most bald faced, crazy lies they can in an attempt to try to outdo each other and grab attention? That is a horrible thing. these "news apps" are cesspools are lies, propaganda and insane conspiracy theories. They are doing huge damage to america.
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@Vader
You are seriously siding with the hedge funds? You would rather take the side of billionaires rather than the common person.
oh god no. I was saying watching corporatist news media spin users on reddit as some kind of threat while billionaires who do this get invited on their show all the time is messed up. I 100% side with the people on reddit over greedy hedge fund managers.
What Robinhood is doing and how the govt is trying to limit and interfere with the market is ILLEGAL and UNCONSITUTIONAL. The free market should be free, restrictions lead to a poorer population
I'm not sure I agree with the sentiment that there can't be restrictions on the market. But I definitely agree that Robinhood shutting down the buying of stock and only allowing the selling should be investigated. They were clearly trying to help minimize the losses of those investment firms.
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@Dr.Franklin
Watching coverage on outlets like MSNBC is sort of surreal. They are acting like this is some sort of unprecedented threat to the economy. When investment firms do this kind of shit literally every day. They have been doing this shit to gamestop specifically to try to suppress their stock price so they can make more money. But when a bunch of redditors beat them at their own game, well now we need the SEC and more regulation to step in to put a stop to this...
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@Dr.Franklin
Trump though that the GOP had his back when they wanted to drain the swamp since he won the primary and then the election itself, this was his fatal error as the GOP establishment wanted business as usual
so he is a complete idiot... You believe he wanted to drain the swamp and thought that the swamp creatures would help him out with that. I can't imagine being more stupid than that.
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@fauxlaw
Have you read the motions filed in these cases, each of which had motions to dismiss? Probably not.
have you read them? because you didn't actually provide any of them. You just defined a motion to dismiss. And not having any evidence would be a good reason to dismiss a case. And since multiple judges in multiple cases explicitly said the cases were getting tossed out for having no evidence, it would seem like you are continuing to ignore reality.
Some of the cases got tossed out on procedural grounds because trump hired terrible lawyers who don't know what they are doing.
Some of them got tossed out on procedural grounds because they were never intended to go anywhere. The lawyers starting the suits knew they were dead ends when they filed them, but filed them just so that politicians could point to the lawsuits as evidence of fraud, even though the lawsuits were bullshit. (which is exactly what you are doing)
And many of them got tossed out for having no evidence. The lawyers filing the lawsuits had no evidence. They had speculation and hearsay. In some cases their witnesses fell apart after basic questioning. In some cases they listed witnesses who had not agreed to go to court. But mostly, they just had no evidence at all.
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Trump isn't lazy, he's a formerly high functioning sociopath who has become a low functioning sociopath over time due to mental debilitation
I disagree, not about the sociopath part. But he has a list of failed businesses behind him. Most of the successes he has had were either 1) businesses other people ran for him or 2) businesses that are all about flash and showmanship.
Which leads me to his only real talent, he is a showman. He knows how to read what people want you to say and then feed it back to you. Trump's businesses were failing, he wasn't doing well and was kind of a joke as a businessman right up to the "Art of the deal", which he didn't write, and the Apprentice. And he was mostly picked for the apprentice because he was a showman and no actual successful businessman would do it since they had to actually run their businesses.
I don't think trump was ever "smart". He inherited alot of money and businesses from his father and hired people to do stuff for him. I think he has always been lazy and stupid, he just managed to hire people who weren't entirely stupid. But once he got elected, the people he picked to do stuff for him all had their own agenda and he was too lazy and stupid to pay attention to what they were doing because they kept him distracted with other stuff (golfing, fox news interviews, giving out medals etc)
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@fauxlaw
The point was, the courts refused to hear the evidence; therefore decisions not based on lack of evidence, but refusal to hear it.
I don't know how you missed it, but here are the quotes from those judges again.
the judge called her case “nothing but speculation and conjecture,”
"U.S. District Court Judge Diane Humetawa sided with those judges in Arizona ... and saying Powell’s allegations of fraud are “sorely wanting of relevant or reliable evidence""
Judges did hear Powell's case. She got her day in court. She had absolutely no evidence to back it up and her cases got tossed out. Why do you keep repeating that the courts refused to hear it when that isn't true?
Evidence refused to be heard is NOT evidence that there is no evidence. Does that make any impression?
it might if it wasn't complete bullshit. She presented her case and had no evidence to back it up. The judges explicitly said that was why her case was being tossed out.
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@fauxlaw
Every president since Truman has promised to move the US Embassy in Israel to Jerusalem from Tel Aviv. Every one. Only one did it: Donald Trump.
I can't seem to access your link so I don't know if this is true. But they all chose not to do it because it is stupid. The US is trying to be a neutral arbiter to negotiate peace. So explicitly siding with Israel makes that impossible. This was really dumb if you ever want a negotiated peace.
No Democrat or Republican President dared meet NoKo face-to-face until Trump did. That’s how diplomacy starts.
No it isn't. Meeting him had no positive effect at all. They are still doing all the things they were doing before. Meeting him just provided him extra legitimacy and the US got nothing.
No President, Roosevelt through Obama, Republican or Democrat. Passed a tax cut package the size of Trump’s. His corporate tax cut was 43%, largest in a century
this is a horrible, horrible thing. It has massively ballooned the debt.
No modern president since Roosevelt, at least, has achieved the unemployment rate reached by Trump.
why does the black unemployment rate have anything to do with trump? He did absolutely nothing to help with that.
You suggest Oba’a made a great deal. He sure did; it ensured Iran would have nuclear weapons by 2025.
no, it guaranteed that they would suspend making weapons. Tearing up the deal just triggered them to start up again. Trump has ensured they will have nuclear weapons soon.
It’s a disaster, caving to Iran in addition to giving them $1.3B plus $400M in cash.
that money was already theirs. It belonged to the Iranian government and was illegally stolen after the Shaw of Iran was toppled. I'm not sure how returning stolen property is "caving"
Clinton declared a substantive deal in 1994 with NoKo, but never met with Rocketman’s father. The deal was violated by NoKo almost immediately, which was meant to deter NoKo’s advances in achieving a nuclear missile delivery system. They have it, and have had it since 2002.
ok. but trump met him and accomplished absolutely nothing. How is this different?
Oba’a economy was so recovered that he never achieved a greater quarter-to-quarter growth rate above 2.5%.'
this isn't true. Here is a link showing quarterly growth. There are lots of quarters during his presidency over 2.5% some of them are double that.
His economy was so recovered, he lost our AAA credit rating for the first time in history in 2011, costing us billions in new interest payments on the debt, and affected the world market downgrade.
this was largely a reaction to the battle the republicans triggered over the debt ceiling. So it's a little disingenuous to blame this on obama.
None of these highlighted presidents did anything that Roosevelt didn’t, but Trump did, as I said. I’ve cited the evidence. Cry me a river.
you've highlighted stupid things trump did and things he did that accomplished nothing. Do you really think you made him look good?
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@fauxlaw
There's a difference between having no evidence, and a court's refusal to hear it, including SCOTUS.As it happens, to date, neither this suit, nor the suit filed against Sidney Powell by Dominion has yet to appear on the DC District Court docket calendar.
Powell filed 4 lawsuits about this, the so called "Kraken". They all got tossed out. Some explicitly for having no evidence.
Here is an article about the case in Michigan. The judge called her case “nothing but speculation and conjecture,”
Here is a link about the case in Georgia. It was tossed out because she had no standing to bring it, brought the case too late and in the wrong place.
Here is one that discusses her case in Arizona. Here's a fun quote:
"U.S. District Court Judge Diane Humetawa sided with those judges in Arizona ... and saying Powell’s allegations of fraud are “sorely wanting of relevant or reliable evidence""
Multiple judges have now thrown out cases about Dominion voting machines because thee is no evidence. Both Powell and Giuliani continued making claims that Dominion was complicit in fraud when they had absolutely no evidence this was true. Even continuing it after judges told them they had “nothing but speculation and conjecture,”
They are fucked.
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@Dr.Franklin
he simply filled his administration with the wrong people, that’s all
this assumes he wanted to "drain the swamp" at all. But he had to know that Goldman Sachs executives were definitely swamp people. He picked all Swamp people for his administration. So he is either:
1) a complete idiot who has no idea what "drain the swamp" even means because he has no idea that a Goldman Sachs exec is part of that
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2) he was lying and had no intention of ever "draining the swamp". This would explain why he filled his administration with corrupt, swamp creatures.
I think it's a combination of the 2. he made up a buzzword that fed on people's legitimate anger at a corrupt system. But didn't know what he could do to address the actual problem so he pawned it off on corrupt people because he's lazy and stupid. He might have meant to "drain the swamp" or he might have just been lying, but either way he is a lazy idiot or a liar.
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@Danielle
you have to wonder what the hell happened to Giuliani. He used to be a respected and apparently intelligent person. He is a lawyer. He knows what the rules are for defamation. But he still went on an insane campaign to defame Dominion voting systems.
How does somebody sink that far into crazy and stupid?
He doesn't even have a defense against this lawsuit. He is on tape saying these lies over and over and over. And he obviously can't back up his insane claims since his lawsuits had no evidence in them. He is so screwed.
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@fauxlaw
I seriously doubt you have ever heard Biden say he could12/21, Biden says, "There is nothing to worry about." He wasn't talking about the Super Bowl, bud. Do you hear anything but the buzzing in your own head?
you're kidding right? here is the full quote.
"I'm doing this to demonstrate that people should be prepared when it's available, to take the vaccine. There's nothing to worry about,"
He is saying there is no reason to worry about taking the vaccine. That is not even close to him saying he could "solve" covid.
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@fauxlaw
According to whom? Crimes have been alleged from before his campaign began. No charges filed, no trial conducted. Cross those hurdles, bud.
investigations are ongoing. Ivanka was interrogated for 5 hours about it in December. Don jr has been called in as well.
justice department memo said trump could not be charged,Again, according to whom? DOJ policy, since Nixon, that a predident cannot be charged with a crime?
yes, that is the policy he was referring to.
Not according to the Constitution, so, which carries water? DOJ policy, or the Constitution?
I'm inclined to agree with you that Trump could have been charged. But that is not what Mueller determined. He said DOJ policy was that the president can't be charged and he therefore could not accuse Trump of a crime while he was a sitting president. I agree it's dumb. But that is what the Mueller report said. He was very clear that his report did not, in any way, exonerate trump of criminal wrong doing.
america would be destroyed ifYep. Pelosi, Clinton, Shoofy, Biden, Oba'a have all said that Democracy was endangered by Trump, but none would say why, or cite a specific endangerment.
lol, they said democracy was endangered. Then trump incited an attack on democracy to try to steal an election he lost. All you are doing is proving that they were correct in their warnings.
I watched some angry people enter the Capitol, but who says they were Trump cultists?
They did. There is tons of coverage of people in that mob being interviewed. They were very clear why they were there. They were there to try to steal the election for donald trump because he told them to.
Sorry, Show me the evidence of who they were.
The FBI has started rounding these people up and arresting them. So far no members of Antifa can be found. Every single one of them when arrested is a Trump loving MAGA idiot and/or Qanon lunatic.
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@n8nrgmi
you act like companies aren't already maximizing profit. they can't just cut costs elsewhere, cause if they could, they would have already before the wage hike.'
you act like a change to the minimum wage doesn't effect the entire market. The cost of a big mac being where it is has alot to do with what other companies charge. If you raise the cost of a big mac, then maybe they go to wendy's instead. If the costs of labor went up for all the restaurants at the same time, then the calculation is different. There would be a new "maximized profit" number.
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@n8nrgmi
even if the price of the big mac varies, in many countries the cost is the same as our cost, even though the other countries pay more. that's because the price is determined by supply and demand, less so because of labor costs.
It varies by industry. In some industries the cost of materials is much higher than the cost of labor. Like airlines for example. Fluctuations in the cost of jet fuel are more important that fluctuations in the cost of labor. Although labor costs would certainly still be a factor. In an industry like that labor cost increases would have little effect.
In an industry that relies on alot of cheap labor, like restaurants, that is not the case. Any rise in the cost of labor would absolutely require the restaurant to take steps to make the money up somewhere else.
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@fauxlaw
Hidin' Biden told you he could solve Covid. Now he says he cannot.
No politician can "solve" covid. It is a global pandemic. And I seriously doubt you have ever heard Biden say he could.
What they can do is take it seriously and try to fight it. Which trump 100% did not want to do. Biden is taking it seriously.
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@n8nrgmi
if you raise the price, you will sell fewer and make less money.
then you find a less obvious way to raise prices. Raise the cost of your extended service plan. add some sort of fees or other charges.
For example, I used to work at Target. The electronics department consistently lost money. They did not turn a profit. But they didn't raise prices on the electronics because they knew that advertising electronics would draw people in. But once they came in, lots of them would buy other stuff, like cloths or food etc. And that is where they raised prices. So you keep the cost of those specific items cheap to draw people in, then gouge them somewhere else.
this is just a rule of thumb, but i'd still say it's the general rule of thumb. most of the time, profit would be eaten into. that's just business.
even if it is true that in some industries they can't raise prices, they will cut somewhere else to try to save money. Corporations don't just accept that they are going to lose money. Those that do get out competed and go out of business.
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@fauxlaw
some of the associated crimesName one.
I just did. the Trump's stole money from their inauguration committee. They booked their own hotel and charged like 3X the going price to rent space. That is a crime.
he Mueller farce, aimed at Trump, had 30+ indictments, but no one named Trump.
He explicitly said that since the justice department memo said trump could not be charged, that it would be a miscarriage of justice to accuse him of a crime because he would not have the ability to defend himself in court. He said at the very start of his report that he could not, and would not, name trump in any of the crimes. Muller did not say trump didn't commit crimes, he said he didn't have the ability to charge him with any crimes.
when Pelosi, last fall, said "we have arrows in our quiver, and we will use them" speaking against Barrett's approval to be on then Bench? Her words were were metaphor, but Trump's were not?
ok, but Pelosi didn't spend months telling people that america would be destroyed if her supporters didn't take action to stop biden being confirmed. She didn't tell them all to gather and march on the captiol to try to stop a democratic election from being completed. And no democratic supporter has ever attacked the US capitol. Trump did these things. He did incite an insurrection against the US government and democracy itself.
Try using your other side.
you watched trump cultists attack democracy and murder a police officer and you are still sitting here defending trump as if he did nothing wrong. You should really take your own advice.
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@n8nrgmi
says who? why wouldn't they just eat the costs, generally?
because then they would be making less profits. These companies exist to make profit. They aren't going to take a hit that big without making it up somewhere else.
look at all the developed world, a big mac costs about the same everywhere, regardless of how much each countries minimum wage is\
I googled it. Here is link. They vary from $1.77 USD to $7.29. It would seem like the price of a big mac varies significantly.
There are also other ways to raise prices. IE if the Big Mac is their staple item to draw people in, you could raise the price of the combo, or the beverage, etc. That way you can still advertise a cheap big mac but still raise prices. Alternatively, you can make your portions smaller while leaving prices the same, thus effectively raising the price of the food.
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@n8nrgmi
i'd still say as a general rule, supply and demand determine prices, so if selling hamburgers is profit maximized at a buck, then they aren't going to raise prices and make less money by selling less.
if their costs rise due to increased wages, they have to make that money up somewhere. Maybe that is raising prices, or maybe its firing people, or maybe it is finding cheaper materials etc. But they will make that money up somewhere. They will not just eat the costs.
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@n8nrgmi
prices are set by supply and demand. not labor costs.
I don't really agree. There is a reason why most manufacturing has been outsourced to China, vietnam etc. It is cheaper to ship materials around the world, assemble them there, then ship the finished back around the world to sell them here. The primary reason for that is labor costs.
So while I agree supply and demand are extremely important, if a company needs to pay their workers, lets say 15% more, then that is going to cut into their profit margin. They will need to make that up somewhere. Most likely raising prices.
But if your business model requires you to pay your workers a wage they can't live on, then you have a shitty business model. These businesses need a shake up. either they fix their business model to not rely on abusing workers, or they need to get out of the way so someone with a better business model can replace them.
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I think you underestimate their ability and willingness to exploit people. There is still roughly 30% of American population that fanatically supports trump. He brought in millions after the election in fundraising claiming it was for the lawsuits while in reality a large chunk of it was syphoned off for other stuff.
At this point, the Trump name is mud for the majority of the population of the country. There is no reforming that. Tiffany and Baron didn't really have anything to do with his administration so they may be able to avoid that mess, but the other 3 were quite involved in the administration and some of the associated crimes. (like Ivanka stealing from the inauguration campaign fund).
There is no way out for them, all they can do is go further in. And that is exactly what they will do. Ivanka is already floating the idea of running for the Senate in Florida.
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@Danielle
why has Trump been such a devastatingly profound failure at draining the swamp? Is it because he is utterly incompetent and routinely lies to his brainwashed supporters, OR is it because he is corrupt and personally benefits from the status quo?
I think your 2 points are kind of blurred. IE I'd say the lying goes with the corruption. He lied to his followers and had no intention of carrying through because he is corrupt and he and his friends benefit.
He is also incompetent/lazy. I'm sure he meant some of the promises he made during the campaign (when he said them at least). But once he got elected he surrounded himself with cookie cutter right wing republican insiders and Goldman Sachs execs. So all the policy that came from his Administration was cookie cutter right wing policy that has been fucking things up since Regan. If trump were an intelligent and hard working man, he would have actually fought for the things that he said he would do. But trump is extremely lazy and stupid. So he let other people do that stuff for him, and the people he picked had absolutely no intention of doing those things.
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@Danielle
yeah, I agree. It's easier for them to try to do stuff like this than to actually address the problem. The capitol police knew a huge mob was coming. They knew it for weeks before it happened. They chose to do nothing. No amount of new powers for police could have prevented that attack because they knew it (or something like it) was coming and chose not to do anything about it.
The problem is that the government, police etc are much more comfortable suppressing people of color or people on the left. When it is right wing white people, they don't want to to use force, they don't want to do anything.
And to be clear, I am not saying the capitol police should have used the sorts of tactics they used on BLM, those were ridiculous. But they simply did not have the manpower present to protect the capitol. There are photos of right before the attack happened of like 2 cops guarding a big entrance. There is no way in hell they could hold back a mob.
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@3RU7AL
And we wouldn't even need to be constantly adjusting the minimum wage if we set it to automatically adjust for inflation.
I actually fully agree with you. We should do that. And do you know what the minimum wage would be today if we had done that in 1968? It would be over $21 per hour. That is how badly the minimum wage has eroded over the last 50 years. Even if we managed to get the minimum wage being fought for, it would still be $6 per hour less than if it had been pinned to inflation.
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@TheUnderdog
So you want 2 different minimum wages
sure. other countries have things like that
The problem I see with this is for adults out of college, it kills their ambition. It makes them satisfied, and therefore unwilling to pursue higher paying jobs.
how so? $15 per hour isn't a great wage anyway. The kind of people that would be satisfied with that aren't going to be the sort of people to seek higher paying jobs anyway. you can't force people to be ambitious.
the absence of a minimum wage would make adult employees that are out of school try to find jobs that will pay around $30 an hour that consent to paying such high wages without government intervention because the products and services produced by these businesses make these businesses even more money than what a minimum wage job produces from buisiness.
I'm not certain I understand your point. If someone is going to be happy with $15 per hour, then they aren't likely to pursue a $30 per hour job either way. I'm not sure how setting a minimum would change how people would react to a $15 per hour job. Some will want more, and some will not. A minimum wage doesn't change the person's ambition.
Another reason why I don’t like that idea is it would cause businesses to fire adults so they can hire more high schoolers and save money from their cheap labor.
I don't agree. Teens don't tend to have a great work ethic. They have alot of other stuff going on in their lives. If the job is trivial enough that a high schooler could do it well, then why would they need an adult doing it? On the other hand, if it requires enough hard work or experience that they can't find enough high schoolers willing or able to fill the need, then they should be paying enough for an adult to live off of it.
What would you make the minimum wage for high school workers? I don’t think it should be anything. They don’t need the money.
i certainly don't have a firm number in mind. But I would say something like 66%-75% of the adult minimum wage would be reasonable.
Basically. The charities consent to help people. The taxpayer does not. It’s better that consenting people help out than non consenting people.
Of course the tax payer consents to that. That is what the government is for. It does things for it's citizens. It builds roads, ensures safety, protects people etc. The government exists to help people. If someone does not consent to this, then they should not live somewhere with a government.
It’s better that consenting people help out than non consenting people.
the problem with this idea is that it is wildly inconsistent. You will get some areas where people can get help and others where they cannot. Some people will suffer horribly. This kind of inconsistency creates alot of problems.
The rich get rich by making other people’s lives better in a mutually consensual way.
in a limited sense you are correct. But it is an insanely oversimplified answer. The extremely rich don't get that way because they behaved in a mutually beneficial way. By and large, most of them got that way by being cut throat and screwing people over whenever they could get away with it.
You agree to trade the blender for $100, and both parties win from their perspective. This is a mutually beneficial exchange.
perhaps. But the workers at Walmart who need to get food at a food bank just to survive lose. They are forced to rely on charities and government services to survive. Thus charities and the tax payers are forced to subsidize these highly profitable companies.
Capitalism is the only known economic system where you can only get rich by helping your fellow man. Every other economic system , people have gotten rich by taking money from people without their consent.
No one is advocating for anything other than Capitolism. Capitolism is great. But for all it's usefulness, it also has considerable draw backs. It is a system that encourages unrestrained avarice at the expense of everything else. Capitolism doesn't care about what is best for America, or it's people. It doesn't care what is best for the middle class or the planet itself. Unrestrained Capitolism will chew up resources for a quick profit, even if it kills people. Even if it destroys the planet. We need capitolism, but we also need limits on capitolism to protect us from it's down sides. That is why we have things like labor laws so companies can't force you to work 80 hours per week in unsafe conditions, like they used to.
Depends. If your pro life on religious grounds and you believe in donating to the poor with your money, your charitable. If you are pro life on religious grounds and believe in a welfare state because of the Bible, your a statist, an authoritarian, and a theocrat. Nothing wrong with this, but your not a conservative or Republican.
again, you are severely restricting what a conservative is to a very, hyper focused world view. And that world view covers a very small percentage of americans. For example, this poll found that 39% of republicans were in favor of free college. At least 20% of republicans like Obamacare. These things don't fit into your view of what a republican is. 63% of Americans say the US government has a responsibility to provide healthcare for all.
If you can only be a republican if you believe all the things you are claiming, then the republicans are screwed because the majority of americans don't want those things.
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@Greyparrot
They are telling employers that they MUST DISCRIMINATE against employees who would agree to work for less.
you have it backwards. They are telling employers they cannot exploit desperate people to further enhance their own profits.
Did you know that minimum wage is an idea supported by big trade unions and big labor unions as the primal method to destroy the competition? The minimum wage is the final incarnation of crony politics in action.
ah yes, because paying people a wage they can actually avoid starving on is crony politics. Letting companies exploit people so they can pay their CEO an extra bonus, they are the real heroes of the working class.
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@Greyparrot
Then why not 100 dollars an hour? If it isn't an artificial wage, it surely is an arbitrary artificial wage set by elite people that have absolutely nothing to do with the mutually beneficial trade between employer and employee.
It's not arbitrary. It is an amount designed to allow workers to live. There is nothing arbitrary about that.
Imagine if you went to get gas and the law says you have to arbitrarily buy 15 gallons of gas, whether your car can hold it or not. It's the same thing.
not even remotely similar.
Job wages are not set by employer OR employee alone.
you're right. Government regulation should involved.
It's a mutually agreed on number, not a number set artificially by some Washington DC elite.
of course not. Washington is not telling an employer how much they should pay their employee. They are telling them the minimum that they can pay their employee. If they want to pay them $20, $40 an hour they are more than welcome to. The government is setting the floor, companies are more than able to mutually agree with people anywhere above that floor.
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@TheUnderdog
there is no need for a minimum wage because adults can find better paying jobs and kids don’t need the money that much.
the simpler answer is just to put minimum wage based on age/school status. IE the minimum wage for a minor or someone in college is X ammount and the minimum wage for an adult is like $15 per hour. If they did that then it completely negates your argument.
I’m saying let the people (out of school permanently) that work for these companies find better paying jobs and let young people work jobs where they don’t need huge sums of money to survive since their parents pay for all their kid’s living expenses.
and let millions of people starve because they can't find better employment in a system designed to under pay them?
This is different. Crime is hard to stop. It requires so much training to stop crime. Homelessness is easy to stop; just adopt homeless people and get enough people to do the same thing.
Your point is exactly what the right wants. They want responsibility for taking care of american citizens to not be something the government does, but to be something done by private charities. That way they can gouge and take advantage of people, amass huge amounts of wealth and do very little to pay back into the system that has made them so wealthy. It's win/win for them. It's everyone else that has to pay for it.
doubt it. There are many social authoritarians. These are pro lifers, anti drug legalization people, people who want to give the military more money.
ok. and what about people who are pro-life, but also believe in taking care of the poor, you know like Jesus said Christians should? By your definition they are some kind of leftist, not a conservative.
You are painting a very specific and very extreme definition of what a conservative is that excludes most people who would think of themselves as "conservative".
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@Vader
You have to be completely deluded if you think this was an attempt to overthrow democracy
the president tried to get Pence (along with lots of other people) to throw out the results of the 2020 election. That mob then attacked the capitol on the day the results were being counted to prevent Biden from being officially the winner. The express goal of both the president and the mob was to prevent the results of the election from being counted. What do you call that if not an overthrow of democracy? They wanted the guy who lost the election to remain president, even if they had to use violence to do so.
Please read history before you make such idiotic claims to declare that "Democracy would have been overthrown"
if trump had succeeded then he would have remain president despite losing the election. What do you call that other than an overthrow of democracy? If you don't need to win an election to be president, then we no longer have democracy.
Ultimately, while I will not defend Trump's horrendous actions, he has a right to question the results and send to trial, in which he completely lost due to our democracy set in place.
of course he has the right to question the results and have that tested in court. He lost all of those over a month ago. But he was still trying to throw out the results of the election even after every one of his claims was thrown out of court.
Yes, but they said what they said in that response, which they said they didn't feel the need to take action. That response is unacceptable.
I don't know the details of that specific case. But they are not, in any way, related to Trump being banned. You attempted to argue that Twitter doesn't do anything about child porn but they banned trump. Well they do ban TONS of accounts over child porn, so your argument has no merit.
While I understand the mods have a hard time, they also need to take more action versus giving that statement, which they said they didn't feel the need too.
perhaps in this specific case they were right and didn't need to. Perhaps they were wrong and they made a mistake. I don't know. Either way it isn't relevant to a conversation about trump being banned.
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@Greyparrot
Supply and demand. If people are allowed to invest without Libtard restrictions, then jobs are created.
What restrictions? What are these terrible restrictions that are somehow preventing jobs being created?
The "magic" comes from motivated people allowed to invest and take a risk on each other.
you completely skipped my question. If everyone invests in themselves do McDonalds, walmart etc cease to exist? Their business model is based on underpaying employees. So if everyone "invests" in themselves do these companies suddenly pay their works way more, or do they all go out of business?
Artificial wages creates jobs for artificial robots. Good job.
there is no such things as an "artificial wage". What we have now is suppressed wages by greedy corporations squeezing the middle class out of existence.
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@TheUnderdog
So the solution for people going bankrupt because they can't afford the insanely over priced healhcare, is to force people to pay for their own healthcare..The solution to the poor’s healthcare problem is to hook low income people up with better paying jobs so they can pay for their own healthcare.
so in this hypothetical world, low paying jobs do not exist? companies like walmart, amazon, McDonalds, etc are paying all their workers enough to be able to afford healthcare? Or are you suggesting that these businesses simply shouldn't exist because we should make sure all workers get high paying jobs and no one should work for these companies?
You are arguing exactly what the rich want.Or I don’t want mandatory charity. If your so concerned about poor people, adopt a homeless person. If your unwilling to do that, don’t expect taxpayers to pay for a homeless person’s house either.
this makes no sense. It's like saying if you are concerned about crime, go out and stop all crime yourself. If you are unwilling to do that, don't expect taxpayers to pay for police.
lol, why do you believe that you get to define what a conservative is?A conservative wants fiscal libertarianism and social authoritarianism. It’s a fact.
wow... no. just no. That is a hard right wing view. If you think only people who believe that are conservative, then there are very few conservatives in america.
Trump doesn't give a shit about illegal immigrants.His redereck does because he is against it. You judge a politician by their redereck and what they get done. Trump tried to get a wall, but he failed.
i'm guessing you meant rhetoric. but that is a guess.
Having rhetoric that says one thing, but doing the exact opposite your whole life is called lying. Trump fear mongered about illegal immigrants, but his companies have relied on it for a long time.
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@Greyparrot
If you are not prepared to invest in yourself to have the ability to produce more than the minimum wage, then you can't and really shouldn't expect an employer to take a risk and invest in you either. American economics is run on the mutual self-interests of consumers and investors, not charity.
you are completely missing the point. Let me put it this way. If every single person in america "invested in themselves" and were able to magically have a university/college degree, do you believe that high paying jobs would magically appear? Do you think McDonalds or walmart would pay these people more? Hell no. They need people to do jobs for very little money so they can funnel more cash to their CEO and investors. These companies don't care if you invest in yourself or not. Even if every single person worked as hard as they possibly can, a large percentage of them would still be unable to earn enough to live. That is how the system is designed.
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@Greyparrot
That's too bad that you can't understand why establishment Republicans hated Trump so much.
Oh I understand, it doesn't seem like you do though. they hated him because he dropped the vail. Establishment republicans love racist rhetoric, they just dog whistle it. They hint at racist bullshit which their racist followers understand, but non-racists can just ignore because they didn't come out and say it. Trump just comes out and says it. There's no hiding the racism from trump, because he just says it out loud.
Establishment republicans love corruption, but they do it in ways that are hard to report on. Things like doing favors for an industry, then when you leave congress you sit on the board of a company in that industry so you can get your kick backs. Trump made his corruption blatant. Scheduling a G7 summit as his golf course. Getting members of his government to stay in his hotels. Overcharging his own inauguration committee (a charity) by millions of dollars in order to funnel money given to a charity into his own pocket. He took the corruption and just stopped pretending like it wasn't happening.
But most of all, they hate that he is a complete asshole. His insane, unhinged tweeting of complete bald faced lies is hard to defend. They get constantly asked about trump's latest scandals, lies etc.
They want to do all the same things trump did, just quieter. On actual substance, trump had virtually no daylight between what he did and what the establishment wanted him to do.
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