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Biden is not running a second term, he's too old for that
there is no evidence of that. Though, it may very well be the case.
and Harris has far more charisma, health, 'feminist glass-ceiling' factor and potential to win.
strongly disagree. If that were something that mattered, hilary would have won. Or harris wouldn't have gotten completely crushed in the democratic primary. Harris is a bad candidate who could not beat a right wing populist.
Harris is the one who has to play it safe and be very unlike Trump and Pence. She can win next time.
if harris goes into an election against a populist, she will lose. People don't want a "return to normal". They wanted the chaos of the trump presidency to end, that is true, but the underlying causes of why trump won in the 1st place are still there. People want change. Obama said he would deliver it, he lied. Trump said he would deliver it, he lied too. But promising to go back to the shitty neo-liberal policies of the 2000s is a quick way to hand victory to the next right wing populist. If she tries to play it safe, she will hand power to the republicans again.
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@Greyparrot
Abuse of Power isn't a crime. It is used to describe a specific criminal behavior of which none were actually named in the impeachment. It's like going before a judge and having the judge say you are guilty of the crime of being a criminal. It's utter nonsense.
you seem to misunderstand the situation. Impeachment does not require a criminal action. Donald trump used the power of president to coerce a foreign power to slander his political rival in an attempt to hold onto political power. A president abusing the power of his office to subvert the democratic process (in this case by slandering his rival) is one of the worst things a president can do.
Obstruction of Congress is part of the congressional duty of a sitting President. if a president does not obstruct Congress, then there is no need for a president.
this is just wildly untrue. A president doesn't have to, and shouldn't do, everything congress wants him to do. But one of the main roles of congress is to act as a check on the president. As such they need to be able to investigate the actions of the president to determine if they require his impeachment. Blocking congress from doing that is an impeachable offense.
And the voters showed it at the polls when they voted out a good number of those fools abusing their Congressional powers to remove Orangeman for the fabricated crime of "being bad."
there is no evidence that the 2 events have anything to do with each other.
Do you think Pelosi should be held accountable for losing house seats despite a Biden victory?
absolutely. she is a right wing neo-lib who plays games with the lives of the american people. She should be held accountable for that.
Who gets the blame for this fuckup? It certainly aint the Orangeman's fault.
that depends on which fuckup you are referring to. A great many things are trump's fault. A great many are not.
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@Greyparrot
Just remember... a good portion of Biden voters voted out the people that spent your tax dollars indicting a sitting president for non-crimes.
Abuse of power and obstruction of congress are some of the most serious crimes a sitting president can commit. A president that abuses his power for personal gain and to destroy political enemies, then covering up those crimes when being investigated, that is exactly the kind of thing the founding fathers were afraid presidents would do. That is exactly the kind of thing they designed impeachment for.
The penalty for Abuse of Congressional Powers is a loss of Democrat House seats.
no, they did exactly what the founding fathers wanted them to do in such a scenario. They are being punished for being right wing corporatists who have no interest in actually helping the people of america. But make no mistake, the republicans are guilty of the same thing.
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@Greyparrot
And Dems lost a bunch of House seats over that authoritarian bullshit.
only a fool could think that exercising the powers granted by the constitution is somehow "authoritarian bullshit". But of course, once you join the trumpist cult reality is whatever the dear leader says it is.
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@Dr.Franklin
that was not successful
incorrect. trump was impeached. he wasn't convicted by the senate, but that is a different question.
trump was impeached.
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@Greyparrot
As opposed to destroying competition, jobs, and opportunity. If you can't deliver those 3 things, nobody is going to give a crap what your Keynesian economic philosophy is.
trickle down economics have been used for decades and the working class is worse off now than it has been for decades. Trickle down economics is a failure. Ironically, it is even bad for the wealthy in the long term. But they can't see past the short term gains they get.
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@Dr.Franklin
then why was trump impeached
abuse of power and obstruction of congress. He arranged a quid pro quo with the Ukraine where they would slander his political opponent and in exchange he would release funding they had been promised. He then obstructed congress' investigation of the scandal.
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@thett3
Yeah I agree with everything you said. Tucker Carlson made a good point (I know you probably hate him lol) when he said the party that will win in the next generation will be the party that makes it easier for 25 year olds to get married, buy homes, and start families. And they’re going to deserve the win.
I do hate Tucker. but that is a good point.
Both parties have some good (or at least popular) policies and there’s ripe opportunity for someone who can bridge the gap.
what policies do republicans have? As far as I know republicans haven't had a new idea since regan. They just keep going back to cut regulation and cut taxes over and over despite trickle down economics being a failure.
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@SirAnonymous
the current reporting is that he is vetting right wing republicans for his cabinet but no one even remotely left of center.Where did you here that?
there's been a number of articles about it. Here is one where it discusses Biden considering John Kasich.
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@Imabench
1) Obama never promised universal healthcare he only wanted to improve access and quality of it since the last time major changes to healthcare was back in the 1960's
Obama literally said the words "We can have universal health care by the end of the next president’s first term". Here is a link. I agree he didn't actually mean it. but he did say it.
2) The healthcare reforms we got were different than the ones initially promised because part of passing legislation in this country involves COMPROMISING WITH THE OTHER SIDE which seems to be an increasingly foreign concept to some people.....
Obama had control of congress, the senate and the presidency. He had the ability to pass what he wanted. The plan he picked was RomneyCare with a few tweaks.
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@SirAnonymous
Regardless of what Biden wants to do, he probably won't be able to do it with a Republican Senate. So if he's doomed without making any popular changes, he may very well be doomed before he even begins.
the current reporting is that he is vetting right wing republicans for his cabinet but no one even remotely left of center. He was always doomed before he began because he is a right wing politician.
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@n8nrgmi
trump's kids have the name and association necessary to get into politics.
They also have some potential criminal liability. I remember a story where Ivanka was funneling money into Trump's businesses by booking trump hotels for political events, but charging double. Which is a crime.
It remains to be seen if they would want get into politics, as it is very risky for a family with so many crimes on the go.
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@thett3
The problem for the left is that a good deal of Biden voters either voted Republican down ballot, or used to vote Republican and now vote Democrat out of disgust for Trump more than policy. It’s true that politics makes for strange bedfellows but a coalition where rich white suburbanites are a key portion is going to have a hard time staying together if the party lurches to the left
there is some truth to this. but how many of the "shy trump voters" would vote for a different candidate who actually wanted do things for them? Things like universal healthcare are very popular. People want that. Even trump made claims that he was going to reform healthcare and pre-existing conditions would be covered. Trump was lying of course, but he still promised it a bunch of times.
If a populist politicians came out and laid out a specific plan for how they were going to make the average person's life better in a meaningful way, that would be a powerful message. One that few democratic or republican candidate could compete with. Fundamentally, the leadership of both parties like the way things work now. They don't want any significant changes to it. Biden even promised his donors that nothing would fundamentally change under his administration. But populism is why Obama beat hilary. It is why Trump beat hilary. And in 4 years, the winner is likely going to be promising alot of populist reform.
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@thett3
That’s a good perspective. The left certainly won’t be happy if he doesn’t get them any major wins. It’s a pretty tight line to walk but Biden is a skilled politician (a lot more than people say) so he might be able to do it
based on the leaks of who he is vetting for his cabinet, his presidency will be a failure. He is vetting right wing republicans, but no progressives.
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@Dr.Franklin
Is it plausible in the light of revelations and admissions and the "laptop from hell" that seem to point to corruption or treason?
this is just sad. The laptop is:
1) highly suspicious in origin. the story of how it got where it is doesn't make any sense. Which means we don't know the story of how the laptop was acquired by the republicans
2) There is nothing criminal on the laptop, at least that has been revealed.
So impeaching based on information that we don't know where it comes from, and that doesn't even show a crime being committed is extremely stupid.
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@thett3
-Biden’s mandate is to not be Donald Trump. If he can govern respectfully and moderately he will be popular. If he tries to go far left, he will fail.
I highly disagree with this one. The main part of Obama and then Trump's appeal was populism. Promising to bring popular reforms. Obama promised universal healthcare and won big. Then he failed to deliver it and his popularity dropped. Trump made lots of populist promises like jobs coming back. But then when elected, his actual policy was mostly cookie cutter republican bullshit and he didn't deliver most of it.
Biden won without making any populist promises because people were just sick of trump. But that is a one time advantage. If he doesn't try to bring populist changes, he will fail.
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@Imabench
If Biden can handle the pandemic at least somewhat better than Trump and he doesnt go apeshit with ideas like packing the Supreme Court or government healthcare for everyone,
I can't understand how anyone could think this argument makes sense. You are arguing that as long as he doesn't do something extremely popular, that he will do well. If does something extremely popular (like providing healthcare) then he would lose.
Obama campaigned on hope and change. He promised universal healthcare. In the end, he picked a republican healthcare plan and struggled to even implement that. He then steadily declined in popularity. You don't lose by going for healthcare reform. You lose by failing to deliver it.
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@Vader
Seriously lmao. That's a joke. You're gonna compare the very few people who said not my president to the tons of Democrats who said the same thing
It was a widespread thing republicans did under obama. Most people on the left accepted trump was president. they were ashamed of him because he was a complete idiot. But yes, that is a republican thing. And I am 100% sure they will continue doing it to biden since they believe their cult leader's conspiracy theories.
So he won fair and square and you still stay "not my president."
I didn't say "not my president". I said he's a stupid, sexist, racist and wildly corrupt president. But he was still president.
Most Dems did the same thing with hacking and no one called them out for being "sore losers." Hypcrites
are you kidding? Republicans spent years doing that.
You are blind. Do you not see the mass amounts of people in NYC, Chicago, not socially distanced and some without masks celebrating?
no, i have not seen that. But since i do not live there, why would I?
And where are the Trump protests? Where? I have literally seen none besides them tweeting about it.]
There are protests in front of the polling station chanting "count the votes" in states where trump was losing and needed the votes counted, and "stop the steal" in states where trump was a ahead but his lead was falling. How do you not know that? There were even protesters who showed up to Bill Barr's house to try to get him to investigate and arrest biden.
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@Vader
I accept that Biden is the president unlike your party saying that trump isn’t your president lmao. God.
you are aware that the republicans started that nonsense? the whole "not my president" was common among the right under obama. Most democrats were unhappy that trump won and many had trouble understanding how he did, but there wasn't widespread conspiracy theories that it was stolen, like many republicans are doing right now.
Also you said people are partying in the streets! Oh did we forget that covid is a thing... shouldn’t we be socially distancing with rising cases?
those two things are not mutually exclusive. you can dance in streets while wearing a mask and social distancing. But there are alot of trumpists out there "protesting" without masks and very close together.
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He made the idiotic move after the votes were in.
he averages an idiotic move once or twice a week since taking office. It has never really caused any kind of problem before. There is no evidence so far that this is any different.
You have no idea what kind of strings can be pulled. Trump is done.
true, but at the end of the day, the republicans need their base to support them. And trump has a much stronger hold on that base than the republicans do. So sure, they could pull strings to hurt trump. And trump could torch them for it. They have been too afraid of trump's twitter to do anything for 4 years. There is no reason to think that will change until trump loses his hold on the republican base. And so far there is no evidence that has happened, or will happen any time soon.
Even Fox News is turning on him. He's done. It's a fact.
fox news fears trump too. That's why they have refused to criticize him this entire time. If trump torches fox he could cost them alot of money.
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Look not at what is happening but why and how it is doing so. This is how I predicted Biden's win and how I understand that Trump is a stepping stone for America, an example of what never ever to be. I thank him for playing his role. It's time for the real politicians to tqke office, whom actually have had a day's work experience form the job they're hired to do.
I don't think this really makes sense for 2 reasons
1) trump didn't lose by much. for trump to just be "done", there would have to be a big repudiation of him. America would have to reject him by a large margin. That didn't happen. When biden wins, it will be by a pretty small margin. This means america did not overwhelmingly reject trump. 10's of millions of americans still think he is the best man for the job.
2) the republican base is still quite loyal to him. even though he lost, trump consistently polls in the high 80's to low 90's percent approval among republicans. No other republican politician in america has that kind of support. I'm sure republican leadership would be happy to be done with trump, I see no evidence the republican base is though. And if the base supports trump, the republican leadership will have no choice but to kiss his ass.
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What you see is not entirely what is going on. That's all to tell, you're free to type away your admiration for Trump.
you have misunderstood me. I do not admire trump. I think he is a con man and horrible president.
But trump is overwhelmingly popular in the republican party (among voters, not the leaders). He is, by far, the most popular republican politician. It is a serious mistake to think trump will just disappear. In many ways, it is alot easier for him to spread his message and cash in on it as a private citizen than as president.
If you think my interpretation is incorrect, then please provide a rationale for why that is. Do you think that trump is going to suddenly become unpopular among the republican base? I haven't seen any trends to indicate that is the case.
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Trump is the least popular politician in the entire world right now among those who can actually change things. There is not a single member of the 'Elite' level of income and power who will let him rise. He's fucked his entire career and life by playing the bitch-ass fool and he will not ever be anything more than molten coal by the end of this.
I think you are badly misreading the situation. Trump has always been super unpopular among powerful people. He was when he ran for the nomination, he was for his whole presidency. They had to kiss his ass because he had taken control of their base. Whether he is in the white house or not, that hasn't changed. Trump is WAY more popular with the republican base than any actual republican.
Watch. He's done, it's over. He's absolutely 100% done, he has nothing left, zero credibility or street cred.
what are you talking about? A bit less than half the country just voted for him. millions and millions of them are going to believe he was robbed. And most of the republican base are still going to like trump more than they like any other republican politician. Trump is going to move out of the whitehouse. But then he will have even more time on his hands to do press appearances, tweet and even start his own media network. He is not going anywhere. Until the republican base turns on him (which the election just proved they have not) he owns the republican party.
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he makes an absolute fool of himself for no reasonable gain whatsoever this drama has not benefitted him at all and even old allies are beginning to turn on him permanently.
that remains to be seen. Trump isn't going to just disappear when Biden moves into the whitehouse. If he can convince his millions of cultists that he was the winner and it was stolen from him, it will further cement his hold over them during the Biden presidency. Trump will use that for his own influence and power. IE any republican that wants to run will still need to kiss trump's ring or have him torch them to his millions of followers.
He is also reportedly planning on starting his own media network. Convincing millions and millions of people that he is the "legitimate" president could theoretically help him make more money once he is out of office.
Lose with dignity man, you could have had a bright future ahead of you business-wise. Instead, your entire family dynasty is now tarnished as it's permanently associated with your narcissistic delusions forevermore.
i think you are over stating what has happened. Trump is still the most popular republican, by a wide margin. Even when he is no longer president, for the foreseeable future it is still his party. There is still the very real chance that he could secure his family's control over the party for a longer term.
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@Dr.Franklin
again it was not an isolated error, there are tons of discrepencies
anything any human has ever done has errors. Humans are fallible. errors will happen. That is why the system is designed to have checks to catch any errors. And that system is working.
There is absolutely no evidence that anyone, anywhere committed fraud. So continuing to spread that conspiracy theory nonsense is dangerous and wildly irresponsible.
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@Lemming
no matter 'how he would have tried to deal with it, Democrats would have still weaponized it and put the blame on Trump, I 'suspect, but maybe wrong suspicion.
i'm sure the democrats would have criticized his covid response no matter what. But if he had actually done a good job, it wouldn't have done anything. If people thought his response was a good one they wouldn't have cared what the democrats say.
I'd imagine if Covid19 hadn't popped up, Trump would have won.
maybe, but we will never really know.
But in my opinion, Covid was trump's golden opportunity. All he had to do was take it a bit more seriously and he would have crushed this election. Public opinion was overwhelmingly in favor of taking the crisis more seriously. But he just kept undermining it, questioning if it was real, if it would all magically disappear, if it was better to just let hundreds of thousands of people die to protect money. People did not like that.
If he had come out in the early crisis and told everyone to take it seriously, to social distance and wear masks, I think he would have won big. Instead he royally screwed himself by showing everyone his incompetence and disdain for people's lives in probably the only real national crisis of his presidency.
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@Dr.Franklin
so an isolated error occurred, it did not change the outcome of the race, it was caught and fixed. How does this support your narrative of fraud? Errors do happen. claiming that any error that comes up is evidence of a grand conspiracy to destroy democracy is wildly irresponsible and dangerous.
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@Dr.Franklin
so if it was a typo, why wasnt it fixed?
lol it was an unofficial count. And the error was caught and fixed within 20 minutes. But some right wing loon took a screenshot before it got fixed and started spreading misinformation which people (such as yourself) are still spreading long after the error was fixed.
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@Mopac
And there was no Russian collusion.
repeating the same lie over and over can help you to internalize it and believe it. However it does not change reality. The trump campaign had over 100 contacts with russians and agents of the russian government that they lied about. They fed a russian agent polling data. That is collusion. It may not be criminal, but they did collude with them.
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@bmdrocks21
No, sorry, in right-wing economics, we don't believe in "magic".
it is a core principle of right-wing economics. If you funnel all the money to the rich, it will somehow, some day, trickle down to other people. That is some magical thinking.
I think that not spending a considerable amount of your income on premium items and instead saving that money and investing in yourself will get you to be wealthy. Imagine if they saved that money to pay for night classes instead of buying a new pair of basketball shoes.
since that data included food as a "premium item", i have no faith in that info. But again, there are a limited number of jobs. You keep pretending like if every american went to college, they would all be CEOs making millions. That is a fantasy. There are a limited number of high paying jobs. Yes, getting more education will help you fight to get them. but if I get that job, someone else doesn't. no matter how hard everyone works the majority of the country is going to struggle financially. It is how the system is designed.
The cost of living in blue states is much higher. If you cannot pay for the high housing costs, of course you're going to be homeless. Let's see if you can recognize that basic fact real quick.
that's because blue states are more urbanized and have higher wages than red states.
Maybe stop importing a million third-worlders a year? Maybe, just maybe, increasing the supply of something decreases its price......
that's a great plan if you want america to decline. The US needs immigrants or it's population will start to decline. You are right, if america stopped immigration the cost of labor would rise. but this would also cause a drop in the size of america's workforce and cause the economy to decline.
There is the possibility of going to other jobs, possibility of becoming a manager, move to a place with jobs, and then save money to take night courses. There are dozens of things you can do.
you keep ignoring my argument. If everyone is a manager, then they aren't managing anyone. There is a limit to the number of high paying jobs. Even if every single american was highly educated, half (if not more) would struggle financially. Education helps you fight over the limited number of good jobs, but no matter how hard the general population fights, half the country will struggle to make ends meet.
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@Mopac
The Russian collusion narrative was from the very beginning a load of bull.
It was definitively proven to be true. you have an odd understanding of the meaning of the word "bull"
Neither anything illegal or immoral was going on. It was from the beginning a farce.
the trump campaign claimed they had no contact with russia, russians, or russian agents. That was proven to be a lie. They had over 100 contacts with russians or russian agents that they lied about. In one of these cases they gave polling data to an agent of the russian government.
Nothing illegal was proven. But trump's team did collude with the russians. And "Immoral" depends on how you feel about helping the russians to interfere in US elections.
That is certainly what it looks like to me. Discredited.
nope. it was definitively proven to be true. Just not criminal.
If no election fraud is going on, then there is no good reason to be concerned about an investigation.
no one is concerned about an investigation. I welcome one. But we aren't talking about an investigation. We are talking about conspiracy theories with no evidence being spread on the internet. Millions of people will believe that there was fraud and that the election was "stolen" when there is no evidence this is true. That is very dangerous. There was already a report that someone was planning an attack on a location counting votes in PA. This is what people are concerned about. Armed thugs trying to use violence because the election didn't go the way they wanted.
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@Mopac
It was really about undermining the results of the election from the start. Don't buy into it.
lol, so the media fed into a narrative that trump conspired with russians. This was later proven to be true. but somehow this is a conspiracy theory.... even though it is a proven fact.
But people spreading lies on the internet about this election, that is totally legitimate....
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@Discipulus_Didicit
An exact 50/50 is unlikely yes, but something like a 51/48 is not only likely but commonplace and to award a whole point based on the results of a 3 point difference seems to have some of the same problems as the current system itself.
there is no such thing as a perfect system. At least this way the discrepancy between representation and popular vote is only 1 per state. The way it is now is much, much worse.
But ideally, the electoral collage should be abolished entirely. but lots of states would fight against that since the electoral college is designed to give some states much more influence and power than their population should give them.
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@bmdrocks21
Not really. I'm saying that they aren't just dumb, but that they make dumb decisions. They can learn better and make non-dumb decisions. If they are better educated on how to run a budget and invest, they are capable of making good decisions that will raise their position.
so working for wages that are barely sufficient to keep them alive, they are magically going to get a high paying job and become wealthy? Even you can't believe that fairy tale.
i can't seem to access the stats. it wants me to create an account. but again, what do they classify as a "luxury shoe"? or "luxury clothes".Well they use the word "premium" as well, which generally refers to "name brands". Luxury food would probably be buying Domino brand sugar instead of Great Value brand sugar.
So you admit you have no idea how they define "luxury". Therefore the stats are pretty much worthless.
I partially agree. Their lives are improved when they can purchase appliances for much less than they could 30 years ago. They might not have more free income, but they can achieve a higher quality of life with the same amount of money than they used to.
ok, but since their wages are stagnant as the cost of living rises (food, housing etc) their buying power has diminished. Therefore no, their standard of living falls.
because in republican states they simply drive off homeless people. so they naturally move to states where they won't be harassed or even attacked (as much).How are homeless people able to move 3 states over to get to blue states? Maybe there are so many homeless people there because your building codes and taxes made housing very expensive?
oh, we are just making stuff up and guessing are we? maybe they are homeless because they lost their job and they can't afford the thousands upon thousands it takes to get an education.
lol, even when trying to make fun of me you can't keep your utter contempt of poor people out of your answer.There is no contempt there unless it is their fault that they are poor.
which you just assume that it is with no reason. The wages of workers have not risen (when calculated for inflation) in decades. But costs of living have risen alot. but sure, it's their fault that more and more people are being pushed out of the middle class.
You demonize rich people and then put poor people on a pedestal, acting like against their best efforts, evil rich people are keeping them down.
I act like "rich people" aren't increasing wages even in periods of record corporate profits. that is an absolute fact.
Like it is not their fault they have 5 kids out of wedlock and never try to go rise above their fry cook job to become a manager.
there's that generalization and contempt again. mangers, by their nature are limited in number. You cannot have every employee become a manager. So even if every person works their absolute hardest, most of them will not succeed. So you acting like it is their fault that success is not possible says alot about you.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
What if a state like New Mexico is split 50/50? (5 votes odd number).
you would distribute them based on the results. the odds of both candidates getting the exact same number of votes is extremely unlikely. therefore one candidate would have more. IE they would get 3 and their opponent 2.
But you are right. The electoral college itself is a wildly outdated system that should be replaced entirely, ideally.
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@n8nrgmi
if we assume those guys would have went for trump since they're all conservative, we can conclude that the third party stole the election from trump.
that is a big assumption though. if they thought trump was worth voting for, they likely would have voted for him. Without a 3rd party candidate alot of them might not have voted or even voted democrat. There is no way to know.
this just shows the stupidity of third party voting and the spoiler effect in our type of voting system. would be much better to switch to approval rating voting or rank voting where a third party doesn't act like a spoiler and actually makes sense.
yeah, the winner take all style makes the really tough though. if you get 0.1% more support in a state (in most states) you get 100% of that state's electoral college votes. In a system like that it is tough to reform. I think a good reform would be to award electoral college votes by % of the vote you get. you get 50% of the popular vote in the state, you get 50% of the electoral college votes.
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@Stephen
you keep regurgitating random conspiracy theories that have little or no basis in reality.Too early to tell I would say.
why would you say that? most have already been disproved. The rest have no evidence. Since there is no evidence any fraud happened, it is extremely irresponsible to claim it did.
Despite her explaining them to you one by one why each of them are bogus,In her opinion they are bogus.
its not a matter of opinion. She explained why they are bogus.
You want there to be fraudNo. I have said I don't have a horse in the race.
then why are you pushing conspiracy theories? Someone with no horse in the race doesn't push disproved conspiracies.
and fairly easy to find info that disproves these hoaxes.Is all I have seen is someone being rude and offering nothing but opinion.
so a random person posting nonsense on the internet is reasonable to believe, but a person providing logical explanations and evidence as to why those conspiracy theories are wrong is "opinion"? And you think you don't have a horse in the race?
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@Mopac
And I do see the left as other, because I certainly don't stand with baby killers
That would seem to be a very emotional response. You see them as the other because they value the rights of a human woman over that of a fetus.
I also find their rhetoric racist. They talk of "the black community" and "the hispanic community" as if these demographics are all homogenized and not diverse.
Chicago is a community. No one thinks that is racist because everyone understands there are different sub-groups to "people who live in Chicago". Since black and hispanic communities (as well as others) have been historically targeted and suppressed by the wider population, this has built a certain identity into those groups. but referring to a community of black people does not meant they are homogenized and not diverse. you are choosing to see it that way.
I am anti-socialist/communist. Why? Because communists have commited genocides against my people, and did everything they could get away with to destroy us! Why wouldn't I be against these people? They are a threat to my people's existence.
That's a bit like saying you are anti USSR. The soviets are history. Communism is pretty much dead. I'm sure there are still a few who advocate for it. but it is by no means a popular things. So why would you be afraid of a tiny fringe group?
There was a time when Republicans and Democrats were really not all that different
that time is today. They are extremely similar on alot of issues.
You could actually be a Democrat who stood against abortion! Not anymore. It's all party line.
well considering the majority of americans, and the overwhelming majority of democrats believe that women should have the right to choose, where is the problem with that?
I'll give you a hint. It's the party of the confederacy. It's the party of the KKK. It's the party of Jim Crow. It's the party of child sacrifice. The party of censorship.
so the republicans? Trump has the support of the KKK. They engage in fear mongering and targeting minorities and suppressing their rights. They lock children in cages. Trump regularly attacks anyone who dares to question them. He was insulting Fox for not being loyal enough just the other day. Everything you say you disagree with describes the republicans.
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@Stephen
And stop being so fkn rude!!!!!
I understand her frustration. you keep regurgitating random conspiracy theories that have little or no basis in reality. Despite her explaining them to you one by one why each of them are bogus, you just keep fishing for more.
You want there to be fraud, so you see it everywhere despite there being no evidence and fairly easy to find info that disproves these hoaxes.
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@Mopac
Walk around the east side of Austin. Signs everywhere.
i don't live in Austin so i have no way of confirming your assertion.
They really do report a bunch of divisive rhetoric, and the people who take to the street go off what they say. They don't even report the news, it's all political. I've watched enough CNN to figure out that not only are they not honest, but they aren't even good at hiding it.
I agree they are biased. but that does not mean they traffic in misinformation and conspiracy theories like Fox and OAN do.
Don't really care what the left has to say anymore. I wouldn't put it past them to rig an election. I'm not about to be guilted by a bunch of rock throwing hypocrites who live in a glass house.
again, that says alot more about you than anything else. You see people with progressive views as "the other". And you choose to interpret their actions as suspicious or malicious despite having to reason to do so. That is an emotional response based in right wing fear mongering.
On that note, for all their accusations of racism toward the right, I personally think the left sounds more racist. I think they sound more divisive. I think they are the ones motivated by hate. I don't buy into their story.
I don't see how trying to help or protect persecuted minorities is racist.
The way they act, right wing conspiracies painting them as pedophilic Chinese agents who worship the devil don't even seem that implausible!
where are you getting those fake accusations. it's right wing loons that think there are pedophilia rings in pizza places.
edit: i think i misunderstood this when i answered originally. Basically you are saying you agree that complete nonsense conspiracies with absolutely no evidence to support them sound plausible. again, that says you are disconnected from reality and choose to believe things based on an emotional response even though they don;t make sense.
I'm not with any of these people either! I think they are all assholes, and this is what you want. Eventually, you will lose your republic, and tyranny will reign. It doesn't matter who wi s at this point!
this doesn't make any sense. the right is constantly attacking the political process, undermining the system and using corrupt means to rig it in their favor (gerrymandering, voter suppression etc). But for some reason it is the left that you fear.
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@Mopac
I walk around town and see signs posted up everywhere saying that elections don't matter and the people need to rise up. These signs are posted everywhere by communist groups.
I don't know what signs or what "communist groups" you are talking about. for all I know you are making it up. so i can't really comment on this.
Calling everyone who doesn't support your insane politics a racist nazi is polarizing.
I agree. But when people do and say racist things, calling them out for being racist isn't "polarizing" it is reality. And there are a number of striking comparisons between trump and the Nazi's. But I agree that it is polarizing and often not constructive.
The same people who do these things commit violence.
I haven't seen evidence of that. But i've seen lots of right wing loons using threats and violence.
I am not one of these people.
you are spreading lies and misinformation calling elections into question. Right wing loons will use these popularly believed lies to justify violence. Helping to spread this misinformation makes you complicit in this. Even if you don't personally carry out that violence, you are helping them by spreading their misinformation.
If you take a few minutes to look around you can find the explanation for why all the "evidence" is either normal election procedure or has a very simple explanation (like a small error by a county official that was quickly corrected). There is no excuse for spreading this crap.
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@Mopac
It wasn't proven at all, it was a load of nonsense from the start.
no, it was proven beyond a doubt that they had dozens of contacts with russians and russian agents that they lied about. They also handed polling data to a russian agent. There is no doubt there was "collusion" with russia. But since that is not a legal term, it isn't a criminal issue.
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@Mopac
The whole Russia Trump collusion nonsense seems like an obvious one. One that got far too much attention.
I agree it was overblown. But it was proven that trump and his inner circle had dozens of contacts with russians they had denied they had. It was proven they did collude with russia.
So again, it was overblown to be sure. But collusion did happen. It is proven fact. But collusion is not a legal term. There is no crime of "collusion". That is just what trump kept saying over and over.
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@Mopac
And nothing has been settled yet. It is totally reasonable to think election fraud could happen.
not really. there is huge amounts of time and energy put into preventing that. So if you want people to believe that it happened, you need proof. at the moment there is no evidence fraud occurred.
Especially since, you know, I've hung around anarchists most of my life and there are people caufht on videk and audio bragging about doing these kinds of things.
there are people caught on video bragging they've seen big foot, or been abducted by aliens. that isn't evidence.
Also, as I've said before, even when I was in public school they taught us about the history of election fraud in Chicago.
I don't know what history you mean, but even if something happened at one point in the past, that is still not evidence it happens now. Mongols used to burn cities, that isn't evidence they are going to burn down them down now.
It is totally reasonable to believe these things still happen, especially in today's environment that is a great deal more politically polarized.
so your argument, is that someone might want to commit fraud, so we should all believe that they did, even though there are lots of measures in place to prevent it, and there is no evidence that anyone did. That doesn't make sense. there is no evidence fraud occurred, so it doesn't make sense to just assume it did. And it is very dangerous for people to go around claiming that it did because it stokes more polarization and violence when people reject democratic elections.
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@Mopac
The fact that you dismiss evidence simply because it doesn't act as proof says a lot about you.
are you even trying to make sense? evidence and proof are pretty much the same thing. And there is neither for election conspiracy theories the right is pushing. There is conjecture and nonsense.
I presented evidence. That being, massive vote dumps.
you presented evidence that votes had been counted. That is exactly what is supposed to happen.
Look at the picture on top of this article.That is weird.
it took me less than 30 seconds to find the logical explanation for this so called "evidence". here you go. There was a temporary error in unofficial numbers (ie they would have been checked before becoming official numbers) that was quickly corrected. you really should look into things before you buy into conspiracy theories.
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@Mopac
Don't you have a problem with the left wing loonies peddling conspiracies that are dangerous and get people hurt?
like what? what conspiracies would those be? It is the right and especially places like fox news or OAN that traffic in conspiracy, rumor and complete nonsense.
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@Mopac
The fact that you are insulting me for potentially being fooled by some type of deception says a lot about your character.
i didn't insult you. I mocked you, but there is a big difference.
And what it says about my character is that I am sick of right wing loons peddling conspiracy theories that are dangerous and get people hurt.
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@Mopac
All I know is that the argument has been presented to me in such a way as to seem convincing enough to not immediately dismiss.
ok, but since there is no evidence that such an argument is true, again that says more about you than about the conspiracy theory.
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@Mopac
I know this much. I went to bed in the AM. Things were very different looking than when I woke up a few hours later.
lmao. they continued counting votes while you were asleep!!!!! my god, that is the biggest crime in american history!!!!
do you even listen to yourself?
I see enough evidence to warrent a serious consideration rather than a dismissal.
considering there is no evidence whatsoever, that says alot more about you than the election.
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