The difference between seeing a bent spoon and bent image of a star is that the spoon is actually bent, and the star is not. So the thing we perceive is not physically existent in the way that we perceive it.
"Everything we observe is physical"
What about gravity distorting light? In other words, we perceive things incorrectly.
Hallucinations are another good example. False perceptions that are just as realistic as reality.
What point is life if it all ends when you die? Your "legacy" will likely die out with the human race, or you'll just be forgotten. There is no basis for trying to make a difference in other people's lives if it's all pointless in the long run.
"Christianity can waste you[r] life."
Seeing as atheists believe that life is just a meaningless stretch of time when specific molecules arrange themselves into a conglomeration that acts intelligently until inevitable decay destroys that organism, I can hardly view this seriously. If you're just going to die anyway, why does it matter if you limit yourself and fruitlessly spend a decade or so's worth of time? If I spend one in seven days entirely devoted to God, I waste a fraction of something meaningless, which is just as meaningless.
"The problem with The God proposition is that the claim itself doesn't give us any logical reason to believe that God is exceptional in terms of physics. So unless we can make an observation that leads us to that conclusion, then it's not justified to make a special exception."
I suppose citing biblically recorded miracles doesn't count?
If everything is scientific, than a life priority of "science" is non-specific. You can't support it in any way. Crime is scientific, but so is law enforcement. See the problem? By supporting science and claiming that every learned process is scientific, you support nothing.
"A maximally powerful God still must obey the laws of physics in order to interact with it."
I don't see why. Quantum particles are a relatively new discovery in science, but it's still clear that they have their own physics. If there are quantum physics for sub-microscopic particles, why can't there be "God physics" for God? And don't say that it's because otherwise, God couldn't interact with the Newtonian levels of physics. Quantum particles are apparently the literal basis for Newtonian matter, so they're directly interacting despite a whole different set of rules.
There have been modern constructs of language and ideas for longer than there has been scientific experimentation. Blackmail is older than the scientific method.
You can say that all these things are developed scientifically, whether motor skills or politics, but I disagree. Animals develop motor skills without any conception of science. Just because we can use science to understand learning doesn't mean that learning itself is scientific. A rock is not scientific, but I can understand it using science.
"Power is also created by [science] in every way."
This isn't entirely true. I would argue that brute strength isn't provided by science, or at least not the understanding and application of scientific knowledge. Moreover, there are forms of political power that were not developed by science, such as blackmail.
How am I supposed to contend that?
You could be a gorilla with a 145 IQ being experimented on in Area 51 for all I know. You could be an alien that has no conceptions of gender or sexual orientation whatsoever.
Perception is entirely self-consistent. Whether or not it is reality cannot be proven so long as perception is self-consistent. Therefore, even if our perception of reality is wrong, we can only live as if it correct.
I think that 3 months is more than sufficient time to schedule and carry out an abortion. Waiting up to five months is just stupid. If you got raped, you should schedule a pregnancy check. If a condom broke or birth control otherwise failed, you should schedule a pregnancy check.
The difference between seeing a bent spoon and bent image of a star is that the spoon is actually bent, and the star is not. So the thing we perceive is not physically existent in the way that we perceive it.
"Everything we observe is physical"
What about gravity distorting light? In other words, we perceive things incorrectly.
Hallucinations are another good example. False perceptions that are just as realistic as reality.
What point is life if it all ends when you die? Your "legacy" will likely die out with the human race, or you'll just be forgotten. There is no basis for trying to make a difference in other people's lives if it's all pointless in the long run.
Maybe he wants to be kicked out.
It makes me happy that this is as close to a troll this site has.
"Christianity, if false, is of no importance, and if true, of infinite importance, the only thing it cannot be is moderately important." - C.S. Lewis
"Christianity can waste you[r] life."
Seeing as atheists believe that life is just a meaningless stretch of time when specific molecules arrange themselves into a conglomeration that acts intelligently until inevitable decay destroys that organism, I can hardly view this seriously. If you're just going to die anyway, why does it matter if you limit yourself and fruitlessly spend a decade or so's worth of time? If I spend one in seven days entirely devoted to God, I waste a fraction of something meaningless, which is just as meaningless.
The example is Elijah, actually. Unless you're referring to Moses and the Plagues.
Personally, I chose self-development.
"The problem with The God proposition is that the claim itself doesn't give us any logical reason to believe that God is exceptional in terms of physics. So unless we can make an observation that leads us to that conclusion, then it's not justified to make a special exception."
I suppose citing biblically recorded miracles doesn't count?
If everything is scientific, than a life priority of "science" is non-specific. You can't support it in any way. Crime is scientific, but so is law enforcement. See the problem? By supporting science and claiming that every learned process is scientific, you support nothing.
"A maximally powerful God still must obey the laws of physics in order to interact with it."
I don't see why. Quantum particles are a relatively new discovery in science, but it's still clear that they have their own physics. If there are quantum physics for sub-microscopic particles, why can't there be "God physics" for God? And don't say that it's because otherwise, God couldn't interact with the Newtonian levels of physics. Quantum particles are apparently the literal basis for Newtonian matter, so they're directly interacting despite a whole different set of rules.
There have been modern constructs of language and ideas for longer than there has been scientific experimentation. Blackmail is older than the scientific method.
You can say that all these things are developed scientifically, whether motor skills or politics, but I disagree. Animals develop motor skills without any conception of science. Just because we can use science to understand learning doesn't mean that learning itself is scientific. A rock is not scientific, but I can understand it using science.
For me, DebateArt isn't blocked by my school wifi, so yet another plus.
"Power is also created by [science] in every way."
This isn't entirely true. I would argue that brute strength isn't provided by science, or at least not the understanding and application of scientific knowledge. Moreover, there are forms of political power that were not developed by science, such as blackmail.
How am I supposed to contend that?
You could be a gorilla with a 145 IQ being experimented on in Area 51 for all I know. You could be an alien that has no conceptions of gender or sexual orientation whatsoever.
What do you want the title to be changed to?
Perception is entirely self-consistent. Whether or not it is reality cannot be proven so long as perception is self-consistent. Therefore, even if our perception of reality is wrong, we can only live as if it correct.
I think that 3 months is more than sufficient time to schedule and carry out an abortion. Waiting up to five months is just stupid. If you got raped, you should schedule a pregnancy check. If a condom broke or birth control otherwise failed, you should schedule a pregnancy check.