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@fauxlaw
I'm unsure of 'definition of nuclear family?
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How about schools just tell parents that the time to talk to their kids about the birds and bees has come.
And give the parents some paperwork and suggestions on what their kids ought be informed of.
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@Undefeatable
Too bad to hear you're feeling unwell, hope you feel better with a bit of time, whether it's something biological, psychological.
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@Benjamin
Ice doesn't have a sense of smell, why should it have a sense of self?
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@Benjamin
What is "I"? What experiences reality?
An individual referring to themselves. An individual experiences reality.
I'm not educated enough to state out neurology.
What is "I"? What experiences reality?
An advanced collection/collective of material parts.
The supernatural "I"Does this thing "soul" exist? Which mechanics drive it and how would it be detectable?
I don't believe the soul exists. Though I use the word often enough to evoke the 'essence of a human. Though that's vaguely put by me. I suppose by soul I mean the emotions, fighting spirit, sense and specifics of an individual or group.
When I says soul, I'm not referring to a humans leg, but their inner workings, psychology, emotions, values.
The brain and body drive the 'soul that 'I speak of.
Though if I speak of the 'American soul, or the 'soul of a slave, bit different. But again, is evoking the essence of a subject as we identify it.
How does this "I" function, how does it connect to a brain as opposed to a rock?
Rock isn't advanced enough. A computer isn't advanced enough. Animals like Dolphins, Chimps, Elephants, maybe close enough.
If this thing has structure, how is it any different from a physical "I"?
It isn't in my eyes. But we value some 'materials more than other materials, we value some 'concepts more than other concepts.
So there 'is some difference, but I'd have to think a while longer to explain it.
The physical "I"Is this "I" merely a product of atoms moving around?
Yes, though it's more complicated than that.
Do all atoms moving around create some form of "I", or does this only occur in our brains?
Not all atoms moving around create ice, requires specific movements. I feel doubt that 'any atoms moving around create consciousness.
How does this happen? New physical dimensions, quantum mechanics, maybe something else?
I'm not educated enough to explain this.
The nonexistent "I"If "I" doesn't exist, then why do I experience this thought process?
Question for someone other than me.
If "I" doesn't exist, then a human is no better than a rock. How can one still support morality?
No, definitely not a 'rock, rock is better used than a human for pounding in tent stakes into the ground.
So I'm missing 'where a human is no better or worse than a rock?
Support morality because that's the function of human maybe?
What substitutes "I" in terms of function?
Even if a rock could be identified amongst other rocks, that a 'human might individually identify it, rock still can't think. Can't refer to itself as I, verbally 'or in thought.
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@Polytheist-Witch
Good luck, hope it goes well for you.
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@Theweakeredge
I'm not saying that police should shoot people if they give "shit" to the police as you say.
I think you'd get more support for other departments that aren't gun toting police, if you avoided saying 'abolish the police.
I 'think, I'd have been more impressed by the police officer in the Ma'Khia Bryant shooting, if he'd tackled Bryant instead of shooting her,
But I don't know if that would have been the 'best response, more brave certainly, better if no one had died.
I 'do get why the George Floyd situation, attracted so much attention, outrage, though I disagree with the verdict.
But it still bothers me that the media seems quick to demonize the police for many 'other situations.
I prefer news be impartial and calm in their reporting.
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@Intelligence_06
Sounds irritating.
Though looking at a situation different ways 'can be helpful in coping.
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@Benjamin
Is it that you object to people joking about domestic abuse?
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@Barney
@Vader
@Username
@Crocodile
@Theweakeredge
Perhaps BLM should push for public schools including courses on individuals rights as citizens, and how to interact with police.
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I just explained how you are wrong. Did you read what I wrote? Do you have any thoughts on it?
I disagree with your assessment.
Every medical expert who examined Floyd before and after his death made clear that he was killed by having a knee to his neck. What more information do you need and why?
"During Mr. Nelson's cross-examination, Dr. Baker acknowledged that he saw no physical signs of asphyxiation; that Mr. Floyd had a level of fentanyl in his system that could have been called an overdose in other circumstances; and that his heart condition, combined with the exertion of struggling with the police, played"
Nice dodge. The question was, do you really believe that his past, just like the past of every other black person we’ve seen die at the hands of the police, would be scrutinized the same way of all these people were white? Do you really think there would be this national effort to paint them as thugs and criminals?
I think it's common for people's pasts to be brought up, regardless of their skin color.
Whether it's politics, the criminal justice system, a job interview.
You’re just wrong on both of those. Lack of attention to personal responsibility is not as you are conveniently interpreting it, a suggestion that he/they handled the situation perfectly. It’s about the fact that if we are going to discuss responsibility we need to start with the professionals. It’s absolutely absurd that a police officer, someone who is trained, paid, and entrusted makes a mistake that kills someone, and you want to instead focus on the actions of the civilian who meets none of that criteria and carries none of that responsibility. Until people like you stop raging about silly things like your imagined national worship of George Floyd, that will and should remain the focus.
Not much I've seen in the news arguing for making more known outpatient therapy for drug addicts.
Not much I've seen in the news discussing what communities can do to help and improve themselves, in stead I see a greater interest in 'reparations.
I've 'NEVER stated I think that police should not be held accountable, should not be looked into when an incident occurs.
And no one is claiming that black people are the only ones facing any kind of hardship. Where did you get that from?
BLM
By the name, by the spoken focus.
If you were to speak of reforming the police because you feel it's become more militarized, confrontational, I'd be more apt to support.
But the message 'I see, is the police are all racist towards blacks, society needs change to suit 'us.
BLM, BLM, BLM.
There's also those odd comments by people about Communism and dismantling the nuclear family, which I haven't looked into or care much about.
BLM, is an 'idea of a social movement, 'lacking 'clear structure, accountability.
Which is 'why I have no problem identifying rioters, looters, and statue topplers as part of BLM, if they 'say they are, and spray-paint businesses.
I accept Chauvin has been found guilty, is what it is.
I'm not 'against some police reform.
Is the most you'll get from me at the moment, I expect.
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@Double_R
The individuals background is a focus for me, because I dislike how a part of society is glorifying him.
The individuals background is a focus for me, because it pertains to their physical health, which pertains to the possible cause of death.
I 'expect if the person was white, there would not have been such mass protests,
I 'understand that you and many others feel that what's important at this point in time is black people.
I 'agree that black individuals lives matter.
I 'don't agree with the grandstanding, confrontation, calls for no police, lack of personal responsibility, claims of being the 'only individuals with any hardship in life.
As I said, my focus on his Floyd's past has to do with my dislike of how part of culture is glorifying him and how this effects society.
As well as how his past choices relate to his health, and thus the case.
I don't watch Fox news.
A person is to people, what they 'claim said individual as.
Terrible events occur frequently, are 'viewed frequently with the aid of technology.
How many times can one be 'sad over strangers.
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@Crocodile
No,
But I am not convinced that he thought such 'would, or even had the chance to kill Floyd.
I'm not convinced that such would have killed a person without the complications that Floyd may have or was experiencing.
I'm not convinced that it's 'not common practice by police.
I'm not convinced regarding the extremity of the knee.
I'm not convinced that they were not distracted by the crowd.
I'm not convinced that they weren't at a loss of what action to take next.
I'm not convinced they weren't expecting EMTs to arrive shortly.
I'm not convinced it wasn't a mistake, and error.
I'm not convinced that Chauvin did not think that a necessary restraint when dealing with an individual he suspected of being in an drug or excited state.
I 'do agree,
That the police should not have approached him harshly in a disorienting manner.
That George Floyd lacking a a weapon, despite his size, that the cops could have given him time to calm down without restraining him in the manner they did.
That the police should have started chest compressions as soon as they could not feel a pulse.
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@Vader
@fauxlaw
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@Vader
@Double_R
I think you might be more mad at the events leading up to such events. The riots, the whole charity to the family raising that much money for no reason, the rise of more aggressive demeanors toward cops. I fully understand that and agree with you.I think the case itself needs to be based on the case itself, not other factors. I think the cop should've been charged looking at things straightly from the case
It's quite possible that much of the events 'around the case, and how those events have hyped and shaped some people's opinions regarding it, have bothered me.
And I agree the case ought be based on itself.
Why is it so difficult for folks like yourself to understand what this was about?
I 'have been pondering that question recently.
George Floyd’s character and criminal history is completely, utterly irrelevant to this entire issue. No one is saying he was an Angel, we’re saying he doesn’t have to be one for his life to matter.
I agree that despite an individuals past, they are entitled to fair treatment, justice within our system.
But I would be more surprised if my first brother was killed by the police, rather than my second brother.
If someone with rough, life risking past, of disobeying the law, consuming drugs, threatening other humans dies at the hands of police, then a person is not so surprised or outraged as when a stellar past fellow dies at the hands of police.
Certainly I and some others judge Chauvin upon his past complaints.
A person lives poorly, then it is simply 'likely odds they will meet a bad end in life.
Such does NOT mean that those responsible, should not be held responsible. But 'I find the outrage out of proportion, but perhaps I lack empathy.
I'm BOTHERED that multiple people including a couple on this site have stated a preference for a guilty verdict with the 'reason being a of fear of rioting, and that some others have 'praised such reasoning.
I disagree 'highly with the fanatical and social pressure aspects of BLM.
The job of the police is to protect and serve, they are not the judge jury and executioner. We have a criminal justice system for a reason, or at least we have always taken for granted that we do and that we know how it works. This trial was about whether that is actually true. It’s about whether police officers are free to disregard the lives of anyone they decide to put in handcuffs. A not guilty verdict would essentially mean they can do whatever they want. That is why people would have rioted.
'I see hypocrisy and lack of self responsibility in the movement at large.
'I see parts of society that have given 'up on justice, and are more interested in appeasing the mob.
I would 'not be surprised if the 'forceful support of a part of society set me back in the opposite position a fair bit.
I 'think I'd have the same conclusions regardless if George Floyd was white, and no mass protests had erupted, but theoretical situations are difficult for me to predict.
The fact that you can’t tell the difference between recognizing someone’s humanity vs idolization says quite a bit.
I recognize George Floyds humanity,
But a significant part of society see's him as an angel, hero, martyr, innocent lamb.
And by such has pushed a narrative.
"Thank you, George Floyd, for sacrificing your life for justice." - Nancy Pelosi
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@Nevets
Some people had some ideas about how to live life well,
Their culture included stories, history, poetry, philosophy,
The people had a rich and powerful cultural identity, and many of their ideas were appreciated by others,
Humans perhaps have a predisposition to religion,
"History becomes legend, Legend became myth" - Lord of the Rings
I think religion makes 'more sense the more you study it, becomes more powerful, rational, and invoking of spirit. . . But I'm satisfied with my atheistic, nihilistic, materialistic conclusions.
I sometimes think that neither Atheism or Theism, make more sense than one another, and that it's simply a matter of which one you spent time in understanding their reasonings, motivations, justifications.
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@fauxlaw
Certainly the police could use more training,
Could use less hooah warrior training,
Should approach situations with an intent and understanding of de-escalation,
Should take note of individuals such as Chauvin's many complaints, and either remove him from the force, or change him to a desk job that he does not interact with the general public.
Shouldn't be financially incentivized to get people for infractions.
If people demonize Chauvin though, put all the blame on him, none on the police force who threw him under the bus, what's going to change really.
Just a bad apple apparently,
'None of the 'other police would 'ever act as he did, what a disgrace to their force apparently.
'Never did the police chief ever hear of a knee restraint, that was 'all Chauvin.
No one could ever act as Chauvin did without an intention to kill a man.
But whew, people are so happy now that they got Chauvin.
No room for reasonable doubt there.
Sarcasm. . .
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@Barney
Don’t get be wrong, he was a horrible human being
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I don't think I personally hold that George Floyd was a terrible human being, as I did not know him personally, but his 'record leaves me with with suspicion and doubt.
Perhaps Chauvin is a 'worse human than Floyd.
My post was out of irritation and anger of how 'high many people praise him, paint him as harmless, hold him up as a martyr, who hold his past blameless for his fate.
Much of my opinion is likely due to personal sentiment regarding my second brother, who is a drug addict, unwilling to change, 'literally insane, has been told by the doctors how he's damaging his body including his heart by his drug use.
My second brother has been to county jail for disturbing the peace, and threatening people with an axe.
Told me once he thought he might have to kill myself or my older brother because we'd been trying to confront him on his drug use, and regulate his behavior in the house so he didn't f*cking steal whatever he could. . .
Several of his teeth have rotted out from drug use, my first brother suspects that our second brother has been taken advantage of sexually in exchange for drugs or favors. . .
I would not/will not be surprised when he dies.
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And perhaps my response is callous, perhaps I cannot see the discrimination in the system to black people in America,
But if my brother was shot by police, I expect I'd say oh well, sh*t happens.
Perhaps I'd respond different, I don't know, I'm not great with theoretical situations.
but I prefer holding people accountable for what they actually did.
I think your statement is correct.
Any news stories to confirm this? Because it sounds a lot like part of a long debunked conspiracy theory that he’s actually a Spanish rapist who was only pretending to die...
I've not dug into the story, though it's one I've heard before.
That it's more hearsay, and possibly exaggerated, 'does make it wrong for me state it so.
Going by,
"Furthermore, the claims made in this meme are either exaggerated or outright fabricated. While Floyd was indeed arrested for his involvement in a home robbery in 2007 (we conducted a detailed analysis of Floyd’s criminal record, including the robbery from 2007, in this article), no evidence suggests that Henriquez was pregnant, or that Floyd threatened to kill her baby. Henriquez was injured during the incident, though the police report says the injuries were inflicted by another man, not Floyd. "
Going by,
"In 2009, George Floyd was arrested for a 1st-degree felony charge, as per police criminal records/history/past, of assault and armed robbery he took part in 2007 and spent five years in prison for breaking into a lady’s house with the intent to rob her. George agreed that he wore a blue uniform to look like a government employee to gain the lady’s trust, and eventually pave his way into the house.
The lady soon realized that the person was impersonating to be a government worker, she tried to shut the door but Floyd brute-forced his way into the house. Consequently, a Ford truck pulled up to the house’s main entrance, five people exited the truck and went straight inside the lady’s house.
According to Daily Mail (UK), the court report mentions that the victim identified George as the criminal, tallest of all the robbers, who pressed a pistol to her stomach and forced his way into the house. George Floyd’s height was 6 foot 6 inches.
Not finding any cash, Floyd and other men took jewelry and the lady’s cellphone and fled the scene using the truck. A neighbor had witnessed the robbery attempt, wrote down the license plate number, and reported the incident to 911 instantly.
The police followed the lead and successfully tracked down the car. Floyd was found behind the wheels. Later, his identity was cross-verified with the women who reported that a tall suspect had placed a gun to her abdomen and invaded her home forcefully."
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@Benjamin
I'll try checking that out.
Are there any philosophers/philosophies/philosophical books/books that you have/had a particular interest in?
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@Benjamin
I've never been fully convinced of nukes 'reliability as deterrents.
I'm not convinced that we understand how to fight a war between world powers.
I fear results 'worse than WW1, in which technology outstripped our understanding in how to fight wars.
WW1 General Parody of Zapp Brannigan
"You see, machine guns have a preset number of bullets. Knowing their weakness, I sent wave after wave of my own men at them until they reached their limit and ran out of ammo. Lieutenant, show them the medal I won."
Nor is it certain that nukes shall 'remain the ultimate deterrent, See
Strategic Defense Initiative
That is,
Star Wars Program.
Perhaps I have not enough faith in humans,
But I've read enough history, of other countries and my own, to know that people grow hungry, ambitious that it.
Perhaps as Hitler once spoke of Germany as needing to conquer Russia for "Living Space", So now Russia and China 'both, look West for "Living Space"
The Falklands were a matter of national pride enough for Argentina to risk war with Britain, perhaps Taiwan is a matter of national pride enough for China to risk war.
Russia and China both yet hold heritage in Communism, which once boasted a dream, of The Communist International.
America's entitlement was reason enough to march East to West across America, in name of Manifest destiny.
Throughout 'history have countries expanded and desired more, colonizing other nations weaker than themselves.
Or contending with equals such as between Rome and Carthage, until Carthage was destroyed, burned and salted.
WW1 was started in no small part by treaties, nationalism, and pride.
WW2 allowed to 'be by pacifists shaken by the last war, as they spoke of peace, love, and understanding.
But it's truth I'll say, that I have little to none understanding of military matters, or other countries aspirations, of diplomacy.
Still. . .
I do not share your optimism.
P.S.
Also the third world's 'potential power concerns me.
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@Timid8967
Interesting thought I had not considered before.
Would this include such as roads, schools, sewer systems, national parks, land owned by the state?
The Governments budget?
Or do I miss your posts meaning?
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@Vader
A large man, career criminal, robber , drug addict on illegal drugs at time of arrest, with heart problems, who once threatened a pregnant woman, get's caught counterfeiting a bill, resists the police, has a panic attack and dies.
Much of public goes overboard in whining about race, claim the criminal is an 'angel, put up pictures of him everywhere idolizing him as some saint-like martyr, threaten to loot and burn.
Criminal's family get's paid millions of dollars by GoFundMe, and the police department settlement.
Police throw cop under the bus.
Policeman get's convicted of 'murder.
Pff.
I accept that the verdict that's been reached, is the verdict that's been reached.
Doesn't mean I 'agree with it, but you won't find me rioting.
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@TheUnderdog
@Benjamin
I world peace in which countries respected on another's boundaries would be ideal.
And though much of the first world may be eager for peace, as they were after WW1,
What will occur when 2nd and third world countries reach a greater parity of military might?
"In times of peace, prepare for war." - Machiavelli
It seems to me that the first worlds greatest mistake following WW2, was not following up in expanding their nations again.
Ah but I suppose France tried and failed in Vietnam,
The USSR was a concern,
Britain made the difference of an 'island in the Falklands, but then simply resumed in the decline of their Empire.
But perhaps in my lack of faith in humanity, I became a person none should have faith in.
It's hard for Americans to justify refusing immigrants, staple of an idea that the concept 'is in our nation.
But why apply the concept so thoroughly to countries/cultures/people, established for so long?
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@TheUnderdog
I don't know, I'm not really 'for or 'against it, as I don't have a great understanding of it or it's implications myself.
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@Benjamin
What is your opinion on Globalization Vs Nationalism?
And immigration?
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@Polytheist-Witch
@Polytheist-Witch
Accidental or not she shot a man and killed him. It's manslaughter. A civilian would get the same.
If she showed up to duty drunk, the charges would stick, I'd think.
Problem I 'think is that some jobs deal with situations in which a mistake can lead to death, thus we give the individuals involved more leeway.
A police officer 'must seek out these confrontations, a civilian need not.
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@AddledBrain
Give up Guantanamo
Pro
It is moral to respect the sovereignty of other nations ,usually.
Con
It is immoral to weaken your own countries military power, especially in a case such as Cuba, which can serve other countries as a base in which to threaten or attack America.
Cuban Missile Crisis.
Pro
It could serve diplomatically as a way to strengthen relations with Cuba, and make it less likely for them to ally for foreign states.
Con
Enemy states seeing it as better property, may take opportunity to curry favor with Cuba.
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@TheUnderdog
Hahaha,
Well, Imagination 'is important to people.
'Concepts, I mean.
Be it Anti Porn Activists and Erotic Fiction Writings and Drawings,
Patriots and the Flag,
Muslims and their Prophet,
Hate Speech on the internet,
Though perhaps I'm blurring imagination and action a bit.
. . .
Still, there's no thought police peering into people's heads,
So the only way thoughts/imagination 'is seen is by 'action, words, behaviors.
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@fauxlaw
We clearly do not exhibit a single color anymore.
Did we ever?
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@Theweakeredge
Sports are competition and ability,
Though there's a heavy cultural focus on the physical aspect.
Football, golf, Video Games, Chess.
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@FLRW
"The midnight raid, popularly known as the “Boston Tea Party,” was in protest of the British Parliament's Tea Act of 1773, a bill designed to save the faltering East India Company by greatly lowering its tea tax and granting it a virtual monopoly on the American tea trade."
I never heard of the Wendy's Burger Bill.
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@Nevets
That 'is badass, though it was more badass at my first glance of it, when I thought you said she had her own eyes gouged out, so she could remain Empress a while longer, which wouldn't make 'much sense, but my first thought was maybe someone could gouge their own eyes out so they wouldn't be considered a threat, and thus spared by an an enemy, only to gain supporters and regain power 'anyhow.
Course it was only a second later I read Had her own 'sons eyes gouged out, which makes much more sense.
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It's likely I have an extreme bias, but when George Floyd or Daunte Wright die, I just see an unfortunate accident.
Which is 'NOT me saying the police in said cases should NOT be held responsible.
But people of 'any race die,
I'm 'NOT saying that there isn't police bias, I am saying that it's difficult for me to see it.
Maybe that's an 'enormous flaw, but to me it feels 'any black individual who dies, some people immediately scream about police bigotry, and how protests and riots need to happen.
What about people of other races who die, what about innocent bystanders who have been hurt by riots, police, where's 'their outrage, their 'justice?
I find it difficult to respect an organization that appears to me to 'only care about it's own.
But, I 'am, interested in not being wrong,
I 'am interested in the truth, and what is right.
I'm 'pretty sure I'm missing the picture when I think, people die, that's unfortunate, now what about the living?
Perhaps I'd feel different if a family member of mine died, or I grew up somewhere else.
I 'am a 'bit colorblind though, didn't grow up in a racist place, but there 'were 'very few black people.
After that I entered the military for five years where though there may be racism, I never noticed it, and only ever had coworkers who respected each other with no mention of race.
Since I've been out, Covid's kept me inside. But I see plenty of black cops, when I look at data, poverty and living conditions are a reason for higher black deaths, due to higher crime.
I'm NOT saying all blacks are criminals, but that if a part of the population commits a higher rate of crime, they're going to get shot more.
Maybe this is a problem of the establishment reacting harsher then they should, perhaps it's a stereotype that influences higher rate of surveillance on blacks, rather than higher actual rate of crimes.
I 'do worry about being bigoted or wrong at times, though I don't 'think I am.
It just bothers me that 'some people seem 'so hyped to enact justice on Derek Chauvin,
"string him up for his crimes."
As HistoryBuff said in another forum, seemingly of his own sentiments.
I understand that race is a component in police interactions, that could be improved upon.
But I see 'very emotional people ranting and raving, fixated on racism like a dog with a bone.
Never mind any of the other 'hundreds of police shootings each year in which people die.
No, because some people are black, they 'must have been hate crimes, and thus the response 'must be much higher.
There must be close together mass protests, there must be riots (Not by BLM of course) just by people who voice the same complaint as us, but aren't part of our movement, there must be the highest possible penalty viewed and applied to 'anyone who shot 'these particular black people.
Who must have acted with the highest knowledge and understanding of their actions, 'impossible for them to make a mistake.
No need to think that s**t just happens sometimes.
No, a single death identified and newscast is a tragedy, and these fellows must be glorified, martyrized, admired, never mind their pasts.
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Sarcasm by me of course,
Individuals deaths 'are tragedies,
There likely 'is some bias in police stop interactions that 'should be addressed.
Though I don't see why if there can be bias by 'police in stop interactions, there can't be bias by the 'people 'stopped in police interactions.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
1) Were you raised in the United States?
Yes.
2) If yes to question 1 have you ever spent a significant (three consecutive months or more) period of time living outside the United States? If no to question 1 have you ever spent a significant (three consecutive months or more) living inside the United States?
No.
3) Do you believe that American society is - on average - more racist than the rest of the world?
No.
It seems that I am a bit late, however, as the "America is racist af" fad appears to have died down in the years since I came up with this idea.
I think that fad is stronger than ever in some people.
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@Benjamin
50% sounds pretty decent to me.
Though I suppose you're not winning 'all the time.
2.86% sounds like a bad score to me.
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@Dynasty
Buy a dictionary of X language to Y language.
YouTube Learning, random teaching videos, videos in the language you want to learn.
Buy a favorite book of yours that you already own, in your language that you wish to own.
Use an online dictionary.
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@fauxlaw
Societies and cultures 'do cooperate, 'do trade, 'do celebrate together at times.
I'm not ignoring that quite, but they also discriminate, hate, and war, at times.
You and I are not complaining about any usurpation in this forum, sure,
But I imagine that there exist people 'other than us, of different backgrounds and values.
The people who care about skin color are the people who strongly identify skin color with ethnicity, culture, identity.
German Reich supposedly had some type of 'Blood philosophy/propaganda.
Finding ways to 'tie a group together can be useful for leaders, and individuals of said groups.
I 'imagine, they have a 'sacred 'idea of how their 'group, their 'people are supposed to look and be.
So when they see their aesthetic 'die out, they are frightened, outraged, defensive.
They see 'their genes, their ancestors genes as something to protect.
. . .
Even disregarding racism, many people are skin deep.
Shapes of faces, weight, mannerisms.
Valuing certain types, 'wanting certain ideals more, trust based on appearance.
I'm not saying we should or shouldn't, but that material perception exists 'far more than you think in people.
Maybe.
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@fauxlaw
Just my own opinion, since I imagine some scientist or sociologist has data or strong theories.
Because it's a difference that exists, as Intelligence_06, that shows where a person is from, of which skin color is not and has not been the 'only identifier of.
And 'I think people are often 'group minded, tribalistic, never mind if we have skyscrapers and jets.
Doesn't have to be people identifying and fighting other groups because of 'physical differences, behavior itself is enough to form cliques and parties.
People may enjoy unique experiences, new people from time to time,
But that doesn't mean they want their entire world to look like Cirque du Cheville or a goth convention.
People get used to what they grow up around.
There's also an element of loyalty 'I think, 'some people identify their tribe with a certain appearance, be it customs or skin.
When they imagine it replaced, by another skin color, it seems to 'them that their tribe as they identify it, has been wiped out, destroyed, assimilated, taken over by said 'other.
Wouldn't 'have to be skin as I said, I think some people identify strongly with customs.
But the point is that skin color is an identifier.
Though Earth is hardly the Galapagos, there 'are and have been 'slight differences between groups of people, more and less speaking.
Skin color's just another identifier.
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@Double_R
I've sometimes worried to myself, that a person can 'never escape the possibility of the unknown.
A fear or feeling I usually get from Horror Fiction, in which people are abused by some powerful, malevolent, impossible to have known to have existed force, a shattering of the worlds natural or 'good functioning as one knows it.
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@HistoryBuff
Though the ,
What words am I putting in other people's minds and mouths?
I was initially referring to the way you took mine and bmdrocks21's comments about triangle.128k's comment.
Our words being I 'think, criticism of triangle.128k's comment.
You painted as being words being about Chauvin's actions, which was not true.
Because you seem emotionally invested in the subject of the trial, in finding Chauvin guilty.
And thus are quick to view and react negatively, to possible comments of the contrary.
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@HistoryBuff
how so? Chauvin's supervisor and the chief of police have both testified he breached procedure and had no business kneeling on him like that. What words am I putting in other people's minds and mouths?
Your own, since I assume that's not 'exactly what his words were in the trial.
His 'quotes I mean.
To you,
Witnesses,
Never lie,
Never have an agenda,
Never can be wrong.
Perhaps this says a lot about you.
"What a person says on a subject, often says more about the person, than the subject." - Leaning
And that 'includes 'me.
The testimony today sounds like it will largely come from the Police Chief - Medaria Arradondo.The Chief gave an interview with BCA on June 11 describing his understanding of what happened. I expect the prosecution and defense to both try to score points on this document.In support of the defense on Page 16 - the Chief didn't know the details of the policy that covered neck restraints:BH: You know you've been very clear that you know the knee on the neck is not trained technique. But in your use of force policy you do have section on neck restraints and chokeholds.MA: Um-hm.BH: That, that are authorized with caveat if you receive training on them.MA: Oh-okay. Does it, does it mention deadly force or anything?BH: It so it uh from memory don't have it with me.MA: Okay.This interview goes on but I won't list it all in the comment. It's hard to believe that the Chief's judgements were credible if he didn't understand basic elements of the use of force policy when he fired Officer Chauvin.
Maybe I'm stupid to give credence to such Reddit posts,
It's only something I glanced at after all.
Likely I've already acquired some bias in favor of Chauvin early on, that makes changing my opinion slow.
But bias is common and difficult for 'most in my opinion.
Currently I'm still 'trying not to be convinced one way or the other.
Currently I'm 'trying to have an open mind, before I try to verbally bludgeon other people for having an opinion one way or the other.
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@HistoryBuff
to everyone there should be no question. His supervisor, the chief of police etc have testified he was breaching police procedure and using excessive force. Who is claiming he didn't do anything wrong?
All I feel like saying currently, is that I think you're letting your emotions over the case overwhelm you and put words into other people's minds and mouths.
If you can 'only see your point of view, then you're going to be pretty blind to other people's points of view.
I might feel like arguing more as the trial goes on,
Hm, let me state my point regarding triangle.128k more clearly.
'Here is triangle.128k's post #17
I kind of want Chauvin to be declared guilty, less so because I care about the case but more so that this won't become ammunition for another wave of BLM screeching.
Do you see how triangle.128k is not concerned with whether Chauvin is guilty, but is rather concerned about BLM rioting?
So I am talking about triangle.128k's post #17, as was bmdrocks21 in post #19, when bmdrocks21 stated
I'm not particularly ready to have some guy lynched as a sacrificial lamb if he didn't do anything wrong.
bmdrocks21's statement there, does 'not have to do whether Chauvin is guilty or not, but was directly stating disapproval of triangle.128k's post #17
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@Theweakeredge
I know 'I get angry from time to time when people are disrespectful, mocking, or other various reasons.
For me it's the wounded pride / Ego.
Though, I 'think I tend 'not to respond in anger, or feel anger very long.
'Occasionally I do.
Against my family, being angry 'never helped me in a conflict.
My Dad thought it was fine for him to mock his kids, or his kids to mock each other in ways 'he thought was harmless.
Such as sticking one's thumb at the tip of their nose, and waggling the rest of the hands fingers vertically, while pointing one's head in the direction of a sibling.
My Dad always used to like to say,
"You're giving them power over you, to make you mad."
Course he wouldn't point out that it was wrong of people to be rude to each other when 'he was instigating it.
Nor would he respond very kindly when anyone disrespected him by mocking or sarcasm. Ah, the hypocrite.
But he would correct our behavior when 'we instigated trouble amongst ourselves, or got angry with one another.
Would point out how family was there for life, get us to make up with one another.
I don't think he was 'wrong, the importance we give other people's actions, way that we perceive them 'does effect our response.
I still get angry now and then at people, but I try to let it go, try not to hold onto it, or stoke anger between me and someone else.
Fail sometimes,
And course it's not always 'healthy to repress anger, or never get mad at people.
Just isn't healthy or useful to get mad too often.
Though maybe that's situational dependent.
Some people get used to being angry at every little thing, becoming toxic.
Some people become too passive for their own good and become a punching bag, or avoid 'any conflict/disagreement.
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@HistoryBuff
To 'you ,"there is no question of if he did anything wrong."
triangle.128k's comment also clearly stated that 'guilt was not so much his motivator, as fear of mobs. I 'think.
bmdrocks21 merely stated he thought that preferring a man be guilty out of fear of the mob seems a terribly preference. I 'think.
A preference of comfort rather than justice, is bad to some of us.
Even if you think the man is guilty, you should think that triangle.128k's 'reason for preferring guilty is bad. 'I think.
It's like in 12 Angry Men (1997), where a juror says 'fine he's innocent, he just want to get this over with and go to his baseball game.
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@n8nrgmi
I don't know, but your question reminds me of this cartoon.
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