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On the Modkill
Post editing is a highly exploitable feature. If I did not modkill Objectivity for editing multiple posts, then I both undermine the integrity of the game and create a world where other players can edit posts in the future and I have to start considering whether edits are worthy of a modkill on a case-by-case basis. The modkill had to be done as policy. Many other reasons went into the decision, but none of them are game-relevant. The decision was discussed with two other people and we reached the unanimous conclusion that a modkill was necessary. That is all that I will disclose about the decision-making process at this time.
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It seems that DebateArt allows you to edit your own posts. Use of this feature will result in an immediate modkill.
Objectivity has since used this feature twice. First, in post 286. Second, in post 376. After consulting with two outside sources, the unanimous decision has been reached to modkill Objectivity. As of now, Objectivity is dead. The day phase continues.
Objectivity, a vanilla townie, was modkilled day 1.
Official Vote Count
sui_generis [1]: Ragnar (332),
Objectivity [0]:
oromagi [0]:
coal [0]:
Zaradi [0]:
airmax1227 [0]:
Not Voting [1]: airmax1227,
With 8 in play, it takes 5 votes to lynch.
Day 1 ends at 7:10pm EST Friday, May 22nd.
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sui_generis [1]: Ragnar (332),
Objectivity [0]:
oromagi [0]:
coal [0]:
Zaradi [0]:
airmax1227 [0]:
Not Voting [2]: airmax1227, Objectivity,
With 9 in play, it takes 5 votes to lynch.
Day 1 ends at 7:10pm EST Friday, May 22nd.
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sui_generis [1]: Ragnar (332),
Objectivity [0]:
oromagi [0]:
coal [0]:
Zaradi [0]:
airmax1227 [0]:
Not Voting [2]: airmax1227, Objectivity,
With 9 in play, it takes 5 votes to lynch.
Day 1 ends at 7:10pm EST Friday, May 22nd.
Mod Notes:
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Official Vote Count
Objectivity [0]:
oromagi [0]:
coal [0]:
Zaradi [0]:
sui_generis [0]:
airmax1227 [0]:
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@sui_generis
how did you link posts by post numbers in #128
I type the post number, highlight it, and click the link button that's between "Ordered List" and "Undo". I put the direct link to that post into the pop-up box. You can get the direct link by clicking the orange post # on the post itself, and copying the link from the URL.
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@coal
- Prods will be issued after 24 consecutive hours without posting. Prodded players will have 12 hours to post content in the thread before I look for a replacement.- Prods will be issued through DebateArts' messaging system.
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Mod Note: airmax has been prodded. He has 12 hours to post before being replaced.
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airmax1227 [1]: sui_generis (18),
coal [0]:
Zaradi [0]:
Lunatic [0]:
Objectivity [0]:
sui_generis [0]:
Ragnar [0]:
Not Voting [4]: airmax1227, Danielle, Objectivity, Ragnar,
With 9 in play, it takes 5 votes to lynch.
Day 1 ends at 7:10pm EST Friday, May 22nd.
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coal [1]: Zaradi (37),
Lunatic [0]:
Objectivity [0]:
Zaradi [0]:
sui_generis [0]:
Ragnar [0]:
oromagi [0]:
Not Voting [6]: airmax1227, Danielle, coal, Objectivity, Ragnar, oromagi
With 9 in play, it takes 5 votes to lynch.
Day 1 ends at 7:10pm EST Friday, May 22nd.
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@coal
@Coal, sure. I'm still getting used to the tools on this site.
Official Vote Count
airmax1227 [1]: sui_generis (18),
Danielle [1]: Lunatic (22),
coal [1]: Zaradi (37),
Lunatic [0]:
Objectivity [0]:
Zaradi [0]:
sui_generis [0]:
Ragnar [0]:
oromagi [0]:
Not Voting [6]: airmax1227, Danielle, coal, Objectivity, Ragnar, oromagi
With 9 in play, it takes 5 votes to lynch.
Day 1 ends at 7:10pm EST Friday, May 22nd.
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Official Vote Count
airmax1227 [1]: sui_generis,
Danielle [1]: Lunatic,
Lunatic [0]:
coal [0]:
Objectivity [0]:
Zaradi [0]:
sui_generis [0]:
Ragnar [0]:
oromagi [0]:
Not Voting [7]: airmax1227, Danielle, coal, Objectivity, Zaradi, Ragnar, oromagi
With 9 in play, it takes 5 votes to lynch.
Day 1 ends at 7:10pm EST Friday, May 22nd.
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Rules Update
It seems that DebateArt allows you to edit your own posts. Use of this feature will result in an immediate modkill.
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@PressF4Respect
This game features many players who are not active on DebateArt, but were active on DDO. They would not have seen a signup thread and had to be recruited via outside means. I apologize for not following DebateArt procedure, consider the game to be extrajudicial. If you have any further questions please PM me directly and refrain from commenting on games of which you are not a living player in.
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@Danielle
@Lunatic
@coal
@Objectivity
@airmax1227
nac
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Anyone who has assisted me in contacting other players or who has served as a medium of communication on my behalf prior to the game beginning has permission to directly ping that player outside the game one time in order to inform them that the game has begun. After that point, no more outside communication.
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Official Vote Count
airmax1227 [0]:
Danielle [0]:
Lunatic [0]:
coal [0]:
Objectivity [0]:
Zaradi [0]:
sui_generis [0]:
Ragnar [0]:
oromagi [0]:
Not Voting [9]: airmax1227, Danielle, Lunatic, coal, Objectivity, Zaradi, sui_generis, Ragnar, oromagi
With 9 in play, it takes 5 votes to lynch.
Day 1 ends 96 hours, 7:10pm EST Friday, May 22nd.
Day 1 ends 96 hours, 7:10pm EST Friday, May 22nd.
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Welcome to Themeless Mafia. This is an invite-only game. When the idea for this game came about, mafia on DebateArt was on hiatus. The goal of this game is to help stimulate quality mafia on the site by bridging the gap between oldschool DDO veterans and current DebateArt players.
Rules
- Please treat your fellow players with respect. This game can get heated at times, but toxicity, harassment, and personal insults will not be tolerated.
- Do not talk about this game while it is ongoing outside of the threads that I have created for this game. Do not discuss other ongoing games in this thread.
- Cryptography/illegible/tiny text is forbidden. Breadcrumbing is fine and does not break this rule.
- Provable randomness is not allowed. You can use random.org to make decisions and you can say "I used random.org," but you cannot post screenshots of your results.
- You may not directly quote any private communication. This includes Role PMs, investigations results, PT messages, etc. You may paraphrase if necessary.
- Once you're dead, you may no longer post in the thread or in any PTs you have access to.
- Play to your win condition and remember to have fun.
Activity & Deadlines
- Prods will be issued after 24 consecutive hours without posting. Prodded players will have 12 hours to post content in the thread before I look for a replacement.
- Prods will be issued through DebateArts' messaging system.
- If you anticipate being gone longer than 36 hours, then you may declare Vacation / Limited Access either in the game thread or through PM.
- Day 1 will have a deadline of 4 days. Day 2+ will have a deadline of 3 days. Extensions may be granted if players request and I see it fit.
- Night Phases will have a deadline of 24 hours. There will be no extensions for the night phase, but I can accelerate the night if every living player requests it.
Voting, Lynching & Night Actions
- Votes must be made in bold, such as: [Vote: Lucky], [Lucky], [VTNL].
- No tricks, if I think it's a vote, I'm counting it as one.
- A player is lynched if they receive a majority of votes (50% of players alive + 1, rounded down).
- Once a majority vote is reached, the game enters Twilight and any unvotes/votes will not count.
- If a majority vote is not reached by the end of the deadline, then no one will be lynched.
- Night actions must be submitted to me by the end of the deadline. If you don't submit an action by the end of the night, then you will forfeit your night action.
Miscellaneous
- If you need to replace out for whatever reason, please do so by PMing me. Do not replace out publicly in the thread or threaten to replace out.
- Once a replace out request has been made public, the player must stop posting as they are no longer in the game. Players who request replacement are not allowed to rescind their request
- Make sure you bold all requests to me or if you need to get my attention. I may make a mistake here and there, so don't be afraid to correct me.
- Punishment for breaking these rules will depend on the severity of the rule broken. Modkills will only be used in extreme situations.
- Do not abuse any loopholes you may find in my ruleset. If you find one, then I'll just change it to work around the loophole.
- I'm the mod, so what I say goes. Any situations that come up not explicitly stated in this rule set will be dealt with as I see fit.
Setup Information
I am unaware of how to copy images into DebateArt, so please use the above links to access a chart graphing all possible setups. Further explanation below:
Each NewD3 Game will be given a setup that incorporates one mafia role from the top of a column, and then two town roles from a row below the selected mafia role.
The remaining six roles will be filled in by one mafia goon and five vanilla townies appropriately, to create a 2-mafia and 7-town setup.
All NewD3 games use the Natural Action Resolution system for determining Night action effects. Mafia Roleblocker action takes precedence over a Town Jailkeeper action should that apply.
Mafia are able to communicate in their Private Topic at all times.
Sample role PMs are provided in the setup link.
The roles and their distribution were randomized exactly 1 time.
List of All Possible Setups
Column A & Row 1: Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Cop, Town Doctor, Vanilla Townie x 5
Column A & Row 2: Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Jailkeeper, Town Tracker, Vanilla Townie x 5
Column A & Row 3: Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Mason x2, Vanilla Townie x 5
Column B & Row 1: Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Tracker, Town Friendly Neighbor, Vanilla Townie x 5
Column B & Row 2: Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Jailkeeper, Town Friendly Neighbor, Vanilla Townie x 5
Column B & Row 3: Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Tracker, Town Doctor, Vanilla Townie x 5
Column C & Row 1: Mafia Goon x 2, Town Cop, Vanilla Townie x 6
Column C & Row 2: Mafia Goon x 2, Town Jailkeeper, Vanilla Townie x 6
Column C & Row 3: Mafia Goon x 2, Town Mason x2, Vanilla Townie x 5
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@Lunatic
I never said people were going to fvck it lynch me. I said people were going to fvck it lynch, period. That's not playing the game. The game isn't fun to me if people don't actually play and we just lynch someone at random or for a nonreason at the end of each DP because we wasted the DP not playing.
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Brother, check the votes, Ragnar is already dead.
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@Barney
I can’t lose if I don’t play the game
If this is a real role I'm taking a picture of my role pm and getting modkilled even if I'm replaced out. If a mod designs that sort of role he doesn't deserve to mod a game.
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@Lunatic
If you are town (the nature of this post to me suggests otherwise, but i'll play along for the chance of it) then be the difference you wanna see. The players in this sign up list will be a bit lazier, since were missing drafter, speed, siranonymous, etc, but we can get this going. Normally I'd have spammed the fvck out of this dp, but it came up during my work week. Over my weekend I will be viciously active, thurs-sat. We can be creative and figure something out to rope people in.
Nah bro. I'm done with this game. Bullish has already vetoed both replacements and extensions. I'm not playing a game with 3 active players were every DP is going to end like this one, a flash wagon fvck it lynch because we have nothing else to go off of, because nobody posts. I've already requested that Bullish replace me, which I find funny because he refused my request to replace somebody who hasn't even posted yet.
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@Bullish
Honestly, then Bullish, I'm just going to replace out. We have 3 players trying to play the game (Me, Lunatic, and Oro), and everyone else is either inactive or they only show up to complain about inactivity. If we aren't going to try to find replacements, and make time accommodations for those replacements, the game is already dead and not worth continuing.
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@Bullish, can we have an update on whether or not you are looking for replacements? Speedrace wanted to sign up. If we get a replacement, can we extend the DP by 24 hours?
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@Lunatic
The fact that you want a debate in DP1 is incredible. No, I'm not going to "argue" why I'm town against a case that exists only in your head. What am I debating, the air in front of me?
Sure, I can encrypt a fake claim. I can encrypt a fake claim before anyone else in the game has given a hint about what their role or meme is and hope that when it comes time to claim that nobody actually has that role or meme, because I can't change it later on. #SmartScumPlay
Don't you think that letting a gut ping lead you to push for a lynch without substantiating a case, based on meta from years ago, and then asking me in the final day of the DP if that meta has changed is putting the cart before the horse? I have games from mafiascum that I am currently playing I can link you if you want to see how I play DP1. Both games are ongoing so I can't disclose my alignment, but expecting "big brain plays" with the content available to analyze in this game thus far is a fundamentally flawed approach to the game.
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@Lunatic
If you think you've picked up on my claim then you are already looking at the wrong post. You can't decrypt my claim without the code, that's the point of encryption.
Regardless there isnt a whole lot of time left and a mix of mod psychology and gut thinks you may be a good target for a dp1 ly ch unless theres any good specific reason not to lynch you that you can provide?
This is everything wrong with mafia on DDO/Dart. Let me think of a good reason not to lynch me, "Because I'm town." Stupid answer? Well it was a stupid question. Looking for reasons not to lynch people instead of looking for reasons to lynch people results in a gameplay pattern where every DP we temporarily rule out players until we're out of time and go with a fvck-it-lynch, instead of incrementally gathering info that can be used to solve the game at LYLO.
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VTL Ragnar. He hasn't posted yet, we need activity. I agree with Oro in #58.
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@Lunatic
Why do you have such a fetish for a person who already encrypted his claim irreversibly into the DP?
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@Singularity
Do you mean 25?
Actually I mean 24. I think my fingers were just placed the the right on the keyboard or something and hit the 3 and the 5 instead. IDK, I was tired.
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Oro is town. Singularity is sus. Phoenix is probably town. I don't like #35. Unvote. Vote: Singularity.
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Let's build an RVS wagon on somebody who hasn't posted yet.
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@Vader
Im Honey. It's vanilla. I am the Bee Movie
I'm confused. Are you claiming to be both Honey and the Bee Movie? Does anyone else have a character and a meme? My meme is my character.
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@oromagi
Personally, I have no wincon.Is this oversight or innovation?
I was just asking to semi-confirm one town, you're the winner. Mafia is typically told the town wincon, but I can easily see a mod not telling mafia that there is no wincon. Absence of mind vs presence of mind.
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Lunatic, do you win with the town? Prune I may be, somehow I have a... feeling that the town will experience... victory.
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VTL WaterPhoenix. Never trust a Phoenix made out of water.
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@Lunatic
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