Ok let’s play the pharmacology and drug game if you please.
You say there’s a huge body count from fentanyl, that is true. However just because someone has fentanyl in their system doesn’t immediately mean they die… also i bet you can’t even tell me why fentanyl is causing so much death. It’s certainly not because fentanyl is some poison or something. It’s because our government prohibits drugs to be sold in the way that alcohol and tobacco are. So when people are buying drugs off the street they have literally no idea what they’re taking. Studies have shown 97% of illicit drugs contain more than 1 substance. The most common contaminant? Fentanyl. Fentanyl has an LD50 much much lower than any other common opioid, and when it is combined with other opioids that LX50 drops even further. LD50 means lethal dose for average user, it is based off of body weight and can change with tolerance.
So you are engaging in a school of through called pharmacological determinism, or at least you are engaging with an aspect of it. That school of though basically says certain drugs must do certain things. Alcohol must sedate and disinhibit, heroin must addict you and make you a slave to it, your essentially claiming that fentanyl must always kill you when used.
The school of thought has been utterly picked apart by all pharmacology studies, and all cross cultural drug use. Fentanyl is used in hospitals today, all over the world. So just because he had fentanyl in his system does not mean that is evidence that fentanyl killed him. That is where you are drinking the Kool-aid as you claimed I was doing earlier. You are the one making claims about topic you have absolutely 0 knowledge in, and it is readily apparent by the ignorant stuff you say about fentanyl.
I agree having a PhD. Doesn’t make a lie not a lie, which is why I said argue the matter not the man. What exactly about the excerpt that I posted is factually incorrect? You better be on point because I know my stuff. This is my area of expertise and have dedicated years of my life studying it.
So fentanyl, arguably isn’t even what is killing people when we hear of these deaths. It’s people not knowing what they’re taking. Imagine if you went to buy cigarettes or alcohol and it was laced with PCP, or fentanyl, or methamphetamine, there would be no way to use alcohol properly and safely because you don’t even know what you’re ingesting. And that is exactly what happened during alcohol prohibition, a minimum of 10,000 people died from contaminated alcohol during that time period. When it ended that problem went away very quickly.
So again, you have no idea what you’re talking about, you have made an Malformed, ignorant opinion, and are willing to die on a hill for it because you’re so wrapped into your beliefs that you can’t just shut your mouth and actually try to learn something. You have to act like an expert in everything and you will most likely be wrong if you take that approach to all things in life, especially inherently scientific topics.
The only reason I’m confident in my ability to say this is because I have formal education in this topic, have dedicated years to s to dying it, written papers on pharmacology and social impacts of drugs use. Most other topics I don’t say anything about because I’m uneducated in most other things because I’m obsessed with this topic, and niche geoscience topics, other than that I keep my mouth shut and try to learn. You should do the same.
Also using big words isn’t necessary 90% of the time. In my opinion it usually makes the person seem insecure or less knowledgeable about whatever the topic may be. Because they aren’t able to explain it in lay terms, because they don’t understand it well. Or they feel that people think they’re not intelligent so they have to force unnecessary vocabulary into their sentences. They do this make themselves feel better and to convince other people they’re smart.
I understand the argument of the appeal to authority. However that’s not what I’m doing. You are the one drinking the kool-aid. I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but I have presented actual empirical data and information the deconstruct your claim. You have only said I’m drinking the Kool-aid. Also don’t argue the man, argue the matter. Stop using ad hominem type arguments. Argue the actual data I have presented. You can’t do it, because you are wrong. It’s that simple.
I’ve noticed people who say stuff about drinking kool-aid never make it far in life, never achieve anything of value, and will deny any amount of evidence that is brought to them, unless it is by someone they follow. See empirical evidence doesn’t need that. Evidence is evidence. No matter who presents it, some people may have a little more credibility but those people can still get things wrong as well. However, there many, many independent sources that show it was likely not fentanyl that killed George Floyd. They have no connection to each other, besides the fact they are toxicologists and understand how blood and drugs work. If it would’ve been trump who presented the evidence I just stated, it would have been just as valid as what Dr. Carl Hart said, because it is true.
Just because you accuse someone of being brain washed, or being a sheep, doesn’t mean they are, it also doesn’t mean that they’re wrong. I’ve discovered the people who say shit like that are usually more brainwashed than the people they’re saying it too. Meaning they usually only support one group of ideas, associate with one type of identity, political beliefs, religious belief, etc. I’ve yet to meet someone who says stuff like that, that is actually objective and evidence based in their beliefs.
Maybe you and should have a debate about how drug laws give police an excuse to abuse people. So you can see what an objective approach looks like.
I want you to take a look at your comment and how hypocritical you are lol. Only thing I’ll say you today. Just let it marinate and sit with you a while. I have an oil spill to go work on while you’re doing that.
I may make some typos, but one is clearly more articulate than the other, considering someone has forfeited three rounds in two debates while debating the other person.
Again mate, you can make all the claims you’d like, but the votes and arguments speak themselves. You operate off of uneducated, journalistic, political lot based views on scientific topics. While I operate off of evidence. You can’t even grasp the evidence I present most of the time because it is so above your level of articulation and understanding. You have to resort to syntax errors and typos, which is equally as childish and immature as reporting votes and blocking people you disagree with. As you do those two things, you talk shit about people who do the same. You’re not only childish and insecure but you’re a hypocrite. Grow up a tad bit mate, or you won’t go too far.
I hope you do go far and make something of yourself, but things will have to change for that to happen.
Good night mate, a little too late to be losing brain cells talking to you. I hope life turns out good for you, I truly do. If you ever want to have another debate, or have a mature, secure, conversation you can message me or invite me to a debate any time.
I’ve also noticed you have a habit of making a point then abandoning it as soon as there is resistance. Another sign of weakness and insecurity. You do it regularly.
I’m also not the one who blocked someone and reported a vote lol, someone is showing a lot of insecurity here, and the other is just talking shit tryna make the other person be a little more humble and less immature. I’m sure you can pin down who is who lol
Lol I’m not mad all mate. I’m just a little more articulate than you are.
I’ve noticed people who say what you just said are the ones who tend to be mad. Also I keep bringing you back into respond. Even though you’ve said numerous times you don’t care and don’t think about me, yet here you are :)
So no you haven’t made me mad I’m just a little more articulate and am better at talking shit than you are so no sweat at all.
Again you have claimed to not care about me and all of that shit, however you keep responding and keep trying to get under my skin. It will never work lol. I have infinitely more mental toughness than you do right now, and there’s nothing a weak minded cry baby could say to me that’ll upset me.
I said the complete opposite of me not being able to handle it. I specifically said insult me all you like, it won’t matter because I can handle it. And have been through, and put myself through, more than anything you have. And I’ve also achieved more than you have. So anything you say will have little bearing on me.
Insult me all you like mate. I was an infantry man, I was injured and discharged; but I have a DD-214, still gave my CAC card, and dog tags. It’s no matter to me if you would like to insult and disrespect me. I’m secure enough in what I accomplished and put myself through to not care mate. I went through more than you ever could( which is why I don’t get insecure and report votes and block people over a simple disagreement.
Go to OSUT training in Fort benning, tear your LCL week 2 and train 10 more weeks on it, and then I’ll value whatever insult you have loaded mate.
I have no need or hope for your approval. I’m not sure what made you think that besides your own arrogance. Again you are claiming I’m invisible while messaging me repeatedly. You’re just another sore loser and weird person like RM. I have no need for your approval or recognition (even though you’ve given me your recognition in many different forms) I just think people like you need someone to talk down to them every now and then. I’m not perfect, I’m sure I’ll get talked down to in the future (I was in the army and do important environmental work, I’m used to being corrected) but I won’t deny what they’re saying and pretend I’m too grand to acknowledge the input I’m receiving. That is what cocky and arrogant and ignorant people do. So take that approach all you’d like, but you will not go far at all with that mindset.
Thanks for the vote. My only issue would be that the quantity of sources shouldn’t get the sources vote solely based off that. The quality of his sources were pretty low and didn’t have much correlation with his claim. Even if they were deeply cross referenced it still didn’t add much to the debate.
Just because I’m on a debate website and can have a deep conversation doesn’t mean I’m afraid to talk trash mate. You blocked me, that’s weakness and insecurity. So is reporting a vote. No matter the vote I’m secure enough in my beliefs and arguments to not report the vote or block someone, because I know the evidence. That’s only applicable to two subjects, which is why I don’t debate anything else.
Gain some confidence so someone disagreeing with you doesn’t make you turn into a child. Also You’re tryna act like your tough and not thinking about me, however you’ve reported a vote, responded to me multiple times, then blocked me. Clearly you’re thinking about me.
I also pointed out you were displaying RM type behavior reporting votes and crying. I was 100% correct because here you are blocking people you disagree with lol. Disappointing.
I’m not whining, I’m trying to tell you that whining and reporting a vote is embarrassing and immature.
Which is why I said I’d never report a vote no matter how stupid it is. You also forfeit debates often, I did once because I had to work 90 hour weeks a couple times in a row and forgot about it. But that’s not the same as what you’ve done in our past two debates.
Lmao now you have me blocked which is hysterical after you talked shit about Lancelot behind his back about blocking people. You’re a pathetic cry baby mate, and I have no respect for you. This only strengthens the vote I placed.
I mean it was funny, but it was also accurate. And the fact your so insecure over a debate that won’t even affect your run for presidents, is a little embarrassing. I mean you reported a vote dude, which I realize is your right as a member in this website, however it’s still embarrassing. If I was wrong, I’m wrong, and more people will vote that’ll overturn the significance my vote holds, I will never, ever report a vote. I will mention it in the comments and tell them why they’re wrong but you shouldn’t remove the consequence or meaning of someone’s opinion that they formed based off your behavior.
No way you reported a vote that went against you lmao. Little embarrassing and RM type behavior. I stated why I didn’t vote for ya. It did have to do with the debate, but also my personal experience debating you.
Why don’t you read the opinion of an actual toxicologist who has a PhD. In pharmacology and psychology and has been a chairman on the NIH for years, and has been studying how humans respond to drugs for over 35 years. This is a part of his article on it: he himself analyzed the reports and conducted his own.
“ The argument that drugs were responsible for Mr. Floyd’s death could well be employed by Mr. Chauvin’s lawyers and supporters. But it doesn’t hold up. My analysis of Mr. Floyd’s toxicology report is that drugs could not have contributed to his death. Nor could they have made him “crazed.” In other words, drugs didn’t make him act so violently that lethal force was necessary nor did it cause some fatal medical condition.
Mr. Floyd had a negligible amount of drugs in his system — 19 nanograms per milliliter of methamphetamine and 2.9 nanograms per milliliter of THC, the major psychoactive ingredient in marijuana. Those numbers suggest he hadn’t used them in at least several hours, maybe a day.
He also had 11 nanograms of fentanyl in his blood. That number, in and of itself, doesn’t tell us much. Immediately after a person dies, the blood concentration of fentanyl increases significantly, so knowing only the post-mortem amount does not tell us about Mr. Floyd’s level of intoxication before his death.
What’s more, the same amount of fentanyl that produces euphoria in a tolerant user can result in an overdose in a newer user. That’s why, along with the toxicology report, we have to look at Mr. Floyd’s behavior shortly before his death.
Videos show Mr. Floyd behaving rationally and appropriately, considering the circumstances. When officers asked him to get out of his car, he did not seem drowsy or lethargic, which is how people high on opioids behave.
Instead, video clearly shows Mr. Chauvin pressing his knee into Mr. Floyd’s neck as he yelled out, “I can’t breathe” until he became unresponsive, while two other officers helped pin him down by applying pressure to his back.
The findings of the two autopsy reports — one from the Hennepin County medical examiner’s office and the other from a medical examiner hired by Mr. Floyd’s family — classified the manner of Mr. Floyd’s death as homicide.“
Again just because you call someone uneducated doesn’t mean they are. I’m sure you’d have the Gall to call him uneducated as well. Even though he’s more qualified than 99% of people on this topic. Just because you read a couple articles doesn’t mean your more educated or have a better understanding than people who have dedicated years of their life to this specific topic.
Mate, you can read toxicology reports all you want attempt to cross reference things but you’re not a toxicologist. I happen to have a chemistry degree, and have studied pharmacology for years. It’s not as simple as comparing lethal doses. Do you even have any evidence fentanyl was active in his system at the time of arrest? Are you aware fentanyl is only active for about 35 minutes? Are you aware the lethal dose will grow significantly as the person gains a tolerance?
Just because you call someone uneducated doesn’t mean they are, it also doesn’t mean that you’re educated on the topic because you read some stuff. Which is probably why you didn’t address the fact that the levels of drugs in your blood will usually increase upon death: you don’t even know when George Floyd took the fentanyl. He could’ve taken it two days ago. Reading Mayo Clinic doesn’t make you an expert dude.
Also he wasn’t acting like someone on fentanyl. He was acting like he was on a stimulant. In my opinion it’s more likely that he was in methamphetamine, if he was on a drug at all. He did have that drug in his system as well. And that drug lasts hours. The reason he was complaining about having problems breathing was likely because he had COVID. Also if he was on an amphetamine, he likely was panicking when getting pulled over which increases difficulty breathing. Again, even though he was complaining, there’s no evidence he was dying.
You can use all the fancy words all you want, that doesn’t mean your correct and have the slightest knowledge of toxicology. What is your evidence that fentanyl was active in his system? He wasn’t slurring his words, he wasn’t barely moving, he didn’t seem tired. Instead he was talking quickly, eyes wide open, and was very animated. Those are not effects of a fentanyl overdose, they’re actually the opposite of that.
Also i have no problem with you saying this wasn’t a racist situation, it wasn’t in my mind either. But just because that is true doesn’t mean that the cop didn’t kill him. It also doesn’t mean you get to jump straight to a drug overdose. That’s not how this works. You disproved the null hypothesis by saying this wasn’t a racist attack. All that does is disprove that particular aspect. It proves nothing else.
If you believe George Floyd died of a fentanyl overdose you are simply wrong. George Floyd had fentanyl in his system, sure, he also had methamphetamine in his system. Why not blame the meth?
I know Fox News tried to claim he was over “the lethal dose” of fentanyl. First off, there is no one lethal dose. It changes with body weight and tolerance to the drug. Also the amount of drugs that appear in the blood will increase after death. That is because there I son blood circulating to filter out the substance. Also you can bleed during death, substances that are in your stomach can enter the blood stream. So there is no evidence George Floyd died of a fentanyl overdose.
He wasn’t dying before the cop showed up, but he was left dead on the ground after the cop kneeled on his neck for over 9 minutes. He also had COVID, why not blame COVID? It’s because you’re anti drug and think fentanyl only kills people whenever it is used.
However we I would agree it likely didn’t have much to do with racism. There were 4 other black people in the car, I get that part. However to claim it’s a fentanyl death is genuinely just stupid and uneducated.
In my opinion this was an act of discrimination against drug users. Which is why he repeatedly said “this why you don’t do drugs kids” while he was in the act of killing George Floyd. The guy in Memphis was the same thing, which is why they repeatedly said “look at how high he looks.” The cops and government use drugs to excuse their brutality and animalistic behavior all the time. You are furthering that agenda by making claims about toxicology, which you know nothing about.
Rational madman
I don’t even know what you’re talking about. And no in my opinion Lancelot didn’t do better than you. But you also didn’t do better than him because both of you are wrong. Also you two have a really hard time combatting the evidence I have, and have no evidence to bring forth on this topic.
So stop with your weird arrogance because you’re not as smart as you think you are.
Also you still have me blocked because you’re a sore loser and cry baby.
You should read that britannica link. The thing that seems to have caused the Permian Triassic extinction at least in some part was heightened levels of co2
I don’t believe that humans are the driving force of the current climate change we are experiencing. We could discuss that, but to say the risks of global warming are over estimated is just incorrect.
I just wanted to point out to you, that I am a chemistry and geoscience major. I understand this topic in very deep detail. Simple points that don’t carry much thought won’t stand up to the amount of research and time I’ve put into to studying the changing climate.
Not trying to sound cocky, I just want you to know that it would be nice if you could bring some really solidly researched and thought out opinions on this topic. It’ll make the debate more entertaining.
Thank both of you guys. I wasn’t ever trying to sound like a know it all or anything, I just have a lot of confidence in my knowledge on this particular topic.
I’ll try and start another debate on a topic similar soon and I hope y’all are there to see it.
Thanks for the vote, wasn’t trying to sound like a doctor or pharmacist. I have just dedicated many years of my life to studying pharmacology. I think my title being unclear messed up my argument pretty badly.
Humans certainly contribute to clime change and the warming period we are experiencing now. However I do not believe there is sufficient evidence to claim we are the primary or even a large part of it. There is far too much uncertainty in the data to make the claim and be serious about it. The IPCC reports themselves have addressed this and said humans are contributing but they can’t even agree on how much. Most of the evidence I would bring forward would come from IPCC reports, and the things I’ve learned obtaining my geoscience with a focus in data anlytics bachelors degree.
All of that is very true, but you’re wrong. There was a time all drugs were legal in the US up until 1969 there’s was no control on substances being sold and possessed.
Climate change is real but it’s impossible to say humans are the driving factor of it given the uncertainty in the data.
I disagree that most of it is hypothetical, there’s a huge collection of data on how drugs affect societies throughout history and it isn’t hard to apply them to ours.
Also pharmacology leaves little to hypotheticals.
I would be down to debate you on another topic, but I only have two areas I’d be willing to truly debate in a matter like this. It’s pharmacology and drugs as a whole, and climate change.
Thank you very much for the vote. I could go into everything you brought up, I just didn’t feel like the debate was going in that direction and I needed to address his points so they didn’t go unnoticed.
I’d be willing to have this debate with you if you’re willing. Thanks again.
Animal behavior has a whole lot of crossover into pharmacology, especially considering we use animals to determine LD50s and use patterns all the time.
Hey man, thanks for casting a vote. If you ever care to learn more and pharmacology please PM me. I will talk to anyone any time about it and try my best to answer any questions you have.
I told the truth, you know nothing about drugs, at all. That’s the most disrespectful thing I said to you before you started reporting votes and whining to mods and trying to get me banned. Before that I was perfectly nice and even brushed off the fact you ignored my friendly messages. After that I decided you needed to get made fun of. Again you’re not a victim, you started this ego battle and pettiness battle so I kept it going. Stop acting like a victim man, if you wouldn’t have done what you did I would have never said anything to you outside of pointing out your under education on this topic. There’s nothing necessarily rude about that. It’s just a fact.
You started the meanness and I didn’t back down from it and now your crying that I’m being a prick when you literally began this entire war in the comments by being a child.
I never blocked you, I never ignored you, I never reported voted that went for you, I never removed you from my friends list. All I did was poke a little fun at you, and got under your skin way too easily. You’re not a victim to anyone or anything in this entire situation, stop trying to act like you’re being tough and honorable by standing up for yourself when you literally started all of this.
Ok let’s play the pharmacology and drug game if you please.
You say there’s a huge body count from fentanyl, that is true. However just because someone has fentanyl in their system doesn’t immediately mean they die… also i bet you can’t even tell me why fentanyl is causing so much death. It’s certainly not because fentanyl is some poison or something. It’s because our government prohibits drugs to be sold in the way that alcohol and tobacco are. So when people are buying drugs off the street they have literally no idea what they’re taking. Studies have shown 97% of illicit drugs contain more than 1 substance. The most common contaminant? Fentanyl. Fentanyl has an LD50 much much lower than any other common opioid, and when it is combined with other opioids that LX50 drops even further. LD50 means lethal dose for average user, it is based off of body weight and can change with tolerance.
So you are engaging in a school of through called pharmacological determinism, or at least you are engaging with an aspect of it. That school of though basically says certain drugs must do certain things. Alcohol must sedate and disinhibit, heroin must addict you and make you a slave to it, your essentially claiming that fentanyl must always kill you when used.
The school of thought has been utterly picked apart by all pharmacology studies, and all cross cultural drug use. Fentanyl is used in hospitals today, all over the world. So just because he had fentanyl in his system does not mean that is evidence that fentanyl killed him. That is where you are drinking the Kool-aid as you claimed I was doing earlier. You are the one making claims about topic you have absolutely 0 knowledge in, and it is readily apparent by the ignorant stuff you say about fentanyl.
I agree having a PhD. Doesn’t make a lie not a lie, which is why I said argue the matter not the man. What exactly about the excerpt that I posted is factually incorrect? You better be on point because I know my stuff. This is my area of expertise and have dedicated years of my life studying it.
So fentanyl, arguably isn’t even what is killing people when we hear of these deaths. It’s people not knowing what they’re taking. Imagine if you went to buy cigarettes or alcohol and it was laced with PCP, or fentanyl, or methamphetamine, there would be no way to use alcohol properly and safely because you don’t even know what you’re ingesting. And that is exactly what happened during alcohol prohibition, a minimum of 10,000 people died from contaminated alcohol during that time period. When it ended that problem went away very quickly.
So again, you have no idea what you’re talking about, you have made an Malformed, ignorant opinion, and are willing to die on a hill for it because you’re so wrapped into your beliefs that you can’t just shut your mouth and actually try to learn something. You have to act like an expert in everything and you will most likely be wrong if you take that approach to all things in life, especially inherently scientific topics.
The only reason I’m confident in my ability to say this is because I have formal education in this topic, have dedicated years to s to dying it, written papers on pharmacology and social impacts of drugs use. Most other topics I don’t say anything about because I’m uneducated in most other things because I’m obsessed with this topic, and niche geoscience topics, other than that I keep my mouth shut and try to learn. You should do the same.
Also using big words isn’t necessary 90% of the time. In my opinion it usually makes the person seem insecure or less knowledgeable about whatever the topic may be. Because they aren’t able to explain it in lay terms, because they don’t understand it well. Or they feel that people think they’re not intelligent so they have to force unnecessary vocabulary into their sentences. They do this make themselves feel better and to convince other people they’re smart.
I understand the argument of the appeal to authority. However that’s not what I’m doing. You are the one drinking the kool-aid. I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but I have presented actual empirical data and information the deconstruct your claim. You have only said I’m drinking the Kool-aid. Also don’t argue the man, argue the matter. Stop using ad hominem type arguments. Argue the actual data I have presented. You can’t do it, because you are wrong. It’s that simple.
I’ve noticed people who say stuff about drinking kool-aid never make it far in life, never achieve anything of value, and will deny any amount of evidence that is brought to them, unless it is by someone they follow. See empirical evidence doesn’t need that. Evidence is evidence. No matter who presents it, some people may have a little more credibility but those people can still get things wrong as well. However, there many, many independent sources that show it was likely not fentanyl that killed George Floyd. They have no connection to each other, besides the fact they are toxicologists and understand how blood and drugs work. If it would’ve been trump who presented the evidence I just stated, it would have been just as valid as what Dr. Carl Hart said, because it is true.
Just because you accuse someone of being brain washed, or being a sheep, doesn’t mean they are, it also doesn’t mean that they’re wrong. I’ve discovered the people who say shit like that are usually more brainwashed than the people they’re saying it too. Meaning they usually only support one group of ideas, associate with one type of identity, political beliefs, religious belief, etc. I’ve yet to meet someone who says stuff like that, that is actually objective and evidence based in their beliefs.
Maybe you and should have a debate about how drug laws give police an excuse to abuse people. So you can see what an objective approach looks like.
I want you to take a look at your comment and how hypocritical you are lol. Only thing I’ll say you today. Just let it marinate and sit with you a while. I have an oil spill to go work on while you’re doing that.
I may make some typos, but one is clearly more articulate than the other, considering someone has forfeited three rounds in two debates while debating the other person.
Again mate, you can make all the claims you’d like, but the votes and arguments speak themselves. You operate off of uneducated, journalistic, political lot based views on scientific topics. While I operate off of evidence. You can’t even grasp the evidence I present most of the time because it is so above your level of articulation and understanding. You have to resort to syntax errors and typos, which is equally as childish and immature as reporting votes and blocking people you disagree with. As you do those two things, you talk shit about people who do the same. You’re not only childish and insecure but you’re a hypocrite. Grow up a tad bit mate, or you won’t go too far.
I hope you do go far and make something of yourself, but things will have to change for that to happen.
Good night mate, a little too late to be losing brain cells talking to you. I hope life turns out good for you, I truly do. If you ever want to have another debate, or have a mature, secure, conversation you can message me or invite me to a debate any time.
I’ve also noticed you have a habit of making a point then abandoning it as soon as there is resistance. Another sign of weakness and insecurity. You do it regularly.
I’m also not the one who blocked someone and reported a vote lol, someone is showing a lot of insecurity here, and the other is just talking shit tryna make the other person be a little more humble and less immature. I’m sure you can pin down who is who lol
Lol I’m not mad all mate. I’m just a little more articulate than you are.
I’ve noticed people who say what you just said are the ones who tend to be mad. Also I keep bringing you back into respond. Even though you’ve said numerous times you don’t care and don’t think about me, yet here you are :)
So no you haven’t made me mad I’m just a little more articulate and am better at talking shit than you are so no sweat at all.
Again you have claimed to not care about me and all of that shit, however you keep responding and keep trying to get under my skin. It will never work lol. I have infinitely more mental toughness than you do right now, and there’s nothing a weak minded cry baby could say to me that’ll upset me.
I said the complete opposite of me not being able to handle it. I specifically said insult me all you like, it won’t matter because I can handle it. And have been through, and put myself through, more than anything you have. And I’ve also achieved more than you have. So anything you say will have little bearing on me.
Insult me all you like mate. I was an infantry man, I was injured and discharged; but I have a DD-214, still gave my CAC card, and dog tags. It’s no matter to me if you would like to insult and disrespect me. I’m secure enough in what I accomplished and put myself through to not care mate. I went through more than you ever could( which is why I don’t get insecure and report votes and block people over a simple disagreement.
Go to OSUT training in Fort benning, tear your LCL week 2 and train 10 more weeks on it, and then I’ll value whatever insult you have loaded mate.
I have no need or hope for your approval. I’m not sure what made you think that besides your own arrogance. Again you are claiming I’m invisible while messaging me repeatedly. You’re just another sore loser and weird person like RM. I have no need for your approval or recognition (even though you’ve given me your recognition in many different forms) I just think people like you need someone to talk down to them every now and then. I’m not perfect, I’m sure I’ll get talked down to in the future (I was in the army and do important environmental work, I’m used to being corrected) but I won’t deny what they’re saying and pretend I’m too grand to acknowledge the input I’m receiving. That is what cocky and arrogant and ignorant people do. So take that approach all you’d like, but you will not go far at all with that mindset.
Thanks for the vote. My only issue would be that the quantity of sources shouldn’t get the sources vote solely based off that. The quality of his sources were pretty low and didn’t have much correlation with his claim. Even if they were deeply cross referenced it still didn’t add much to the debate.
Just because I’m on a debate website and can have a deep conversation doesn’t mean I’m afraid to talk trash mate. You blocked me, that’s weakness and insecurity. So is reporting a vote. No matter the vote I’m secure enough in my beliefs and arguments to not report the vote or block someone, because I know the evidence. That’s only applicable to two subjects, which is why I don’t debate anything else.
Gain some confidence so someone disagreeing with you doesn’t make you turn into a child. Also You’re tryna act like your tough and not thinking about me, however you’ve reported a vote, responded to me multiple times, then blocked me. Clearly you’re thinking about me.
Lmao you blocked me mate. There’s no assumption needed. You took the time to block me because I hurt your feelings or something equally as weird.
I also pointed out you were displaying RM type behavior reporting votes and crying. I was 100% correct because here you are blocking people you disagree with lol. Disappointing.
I’m not whining, I’m trying to tell you that whining and reporting a vote is embarrassing and immature.
Which is why I said I’d never report a vote no matter how stupid it is. You also forfeit debates often, I did once because I had to work 90 hour weeks a couple times in a row and forgot about it. But that’s not the same as what you’ve done in our past two debates.
Lmao now you have me blocked which is hysterical after you talked shit about Lancelot behind his back about blocking people. You’re a pathetic cry baby mate, and I have no respect for you. This only strengthens the vote I placed.
I mean it was funny, but it was also accurate. And the fact your so insecure over a debate that won’t even affect your run for presidents, is a little embarrassing. I mean you reported a vote dude, which I realize is your right as a member in this website, however it’s still embarrassing. If I was wrong, I’m wrong, and more people will vote that’ll overturn the significance my vote holds, I will never, ever report a vote. I will mention it in the comments and tell them why they’re wrong but you shouldn’t remove the consequence or meaning of someone’s opinion that they formed based off your behavior.
No way you reported a vote that went against you lmao. Little embarrassing and RM type behavior. I stated why I didn’t vote for ya. It did have to do with the debate, but also my personal experience debating you.
Why don’t you read the opinion of an actual toxicologist who has a PhD. In pharmacology and psychology and has been a chairman on the NIH for years, and has been studying how humans respond to drugs for over 35 years. This is a part of his article on it: he himself analyzed the reports and conducted his own.
“ The argument that drugs were responsible for Mr. Floyd’s death could well be employed by Mr. Chauvin’s lawyers and supporters. But it doesn’t hold up. My analysis of Mr. Floyd’s toxicology report is that drugs could not have contributed to his death. Nor could they have made him “crazed.” In other words, drugs didn’t make him act so violently that lethal force was necessary nor did it cause some fatal medical condition.
Mr. Floyd had a negligible amount of drugs in his system — 19 nanograms per milliliter of methamphetamine and 2.9 nanograms per milliliter of THC, the major psychoactive ingredient in marijuana. Those numbers suggest he hadn’t used them in at least several hours, maybe a day.
He also had 11 nanograms of fentanyl in his blood. That number, in and of itself, doesn’t tell us much. Immediately after a person dies, the blood concentration of fentanyl increases significantly, so knowing only the post-mortem amount does not tell us about Mr. Floyd’s level of intoxication before his death.
What’s more, the same amount of fentanyl that produces euphoria in a tolerant user can result in an overdose in a newer user. That’s why, along with the toxicology report, we have to look at Mr. Floyd’s behavior shortly before his death.
Videos show Mr. Floyd behaving rationally and appropriately, considering the circumstances. When officers asked him to get out of his car, he did not seem drowsy or lethargic, which is how people high on opioids behave.
Instead, video clearly shows Mr. Chauvin pressing his knee into Mr. Floyd’s neck as he yelled out, “I can’t breathe” until he became unresponsive, while two other officers helped pin him down by applying pressure to his back.
The findings of the two autopsy reports — one from the Hennepin County medical examiner’s office and the other from a medical examiner hired by Mr. Floyd’s family — classified the manner of Mr. Floyd’s death as homicide.“
Again just because you call someone uneducated doesn’t mean they are. I’m sure you’d have the Gall to call him uneducated as well. Even though he’s more qualified than 99% of people on this topic. Just because you read a couple articles doesn’t mean your more educated or have a better understanding than people who have dedicated years of their life to this specific topic.
Mate, you can read toxicology reports all you want attempt to cross reference things but you’re not a toxicologist. I happen to have a chemistry degree, and have studied pharmacology for years. It’s not as simple as comparing lethal doses. Do you even have any evidence fentanyl was active in his system at the time of arrest? Are you aware fentanyl is only active for about 35 minutes? Are you aware the lethal dose will grow significantly as the person gains a tolerance?
Just because you call someone uneducated doesn’t mean they are, it also doesn’t mean that you’re educated on the topic because you read some stuff. Which is probably why you didn’t address the fact that the levels of drugs in your blood will usually increase upon death: you don’t even know when George Floyd took the fentanyl. He could’ve taken it two days ago. Reading Mayo Clinic doesn’t make you an expert dude.
Also he wasn’t acting like someone on fentanyl. He was acting like he was on a stimulant. In my opinion it’s more likely that he was in methamphetamine, if he was on a drug at all. He did have that drug in his system as well. And that drug lasts hours. The reason he was complaining about having problems breathing was likely because he had COVID. Also if he was on an amphetamine, he likely was panicking when getting pulled over which increases difficulty breathing. Again, even though he was complaining, there’s no evidence he was dying.
You can use all the fancy words all you want, that doesn’t mean your correct and have the slightest knowledge of toxicology. What is your evidence that fentanyl was active in his system? He wasn’t slurring his words, he wasn’t barely moving, he didn’t seem tired. Instead he was talking quickly, eyes wide open, and was very animated. Those are not effects of a fentanyl overdose, they’re actually the opposite of that.
Also i have no problem with you saying this wasn’t a racist situation, it wasn’t in my mind either. But just because that is true doesn’t mean that the cop didn’t kill him. It also doesn’t mean you get to jump straight to a drug overdose. That’s not how this works. You disproved the null hypothesis by saying this wasn’t a racist attack. All that does is disprove that particular aspect. It proves nothing else.
If you believe George Floyd died of a fentanyl overdose you are simply wrong. George Floyd had fentanyl in his system, sure, he also had methamphetamine in his system. Why not blame the meth?
I know Fox News tried to claim he was over “the lethal dose” of fentanyl. First off, there is no one lethal dose. It changes with body weight and tolerance to the drug. Also the amount of drugs that appear in the blood will increase after death. That is because there I son blood circulating to filter out the substance. Also you can bleed during death, substances that are in your stomach can enter the blood stream. So there is no evidence George Floyd died of a fentanyl overdose.
He wasn’t dying before the cop showed up, but he was left dead on the ground after the cop kneeled on his neck for over 9 minutes. He also had COVID, why not blame COVID? It’s because you’re anti drug and think fentanyl only kills people whenever it is used.
However we I would agree it likely didn’t have much to do with racism. There were 4 other black people in the car, I get that part. However to claim it’s a fentanyl death is genuinely just stupid and uneducated.
In my opinion this was an act of discrimination against drug users. Which is why he repeatedly said “this why you don’t do drugs kids” while he was in the act of killing George Floyd. The guy in Memphis was the same thing, which is why they repeatedly said “look at how high he looks.” The cops and government use drugs to excuse their brutality and animalistic behavior all the time. You are furthering that agenda by making claims about toxicology, which you know nothing about.
Rational madman
I don’t even know what you’re talking about. And no in my opinion Lancelot didn’t do better than you. But you also didn’t do better than him because both of you are wrong. Also you two have a really hard time combatting the evidence I have, and have no evidence to bring forth on this topic.
So stop with your weird arrogance because you’re not as smart as you think you are.
Also you still have me blocked because you’re a sore loser and cry baby.
Care to drop a vote
Care to vote gentleman
You should read that britannica link. The thing that seems to have caused the Permian Triassic extinction at least in some part was heightened levels of co2
I don’t believe that humans are the driving force of the current climate change we are experiencing. We could discuss that, but to say the risks of global warming are over estimated is just incorrect.
No, there is no evidence to support the claim you are making right now.
Let’s go mate, let’s get your argument in today I just responded.
On the DO events I miss typed, I meant 15 degrees in 20 years or less not 25
I also forgot to address the point of ocean acidification. Feel free to bring that up in your next argument lol
Lmao this a fun topic. I just like having the discussion on this topic with people who have truly considered their stance on the issue.
I just wanted to point out to you, that I am a chemistry and geoscience major. I understand this topic in very deep detail. Simple points that don’t carry much thought won’t stand up to the amount of research and time I’ve put into to studying the changing climate.
Not trying to sound cocky, I just want you to know that it would be nice if you could bring some really solidly researched and thought out opinions on this topic. It’ll make the debate more entertaining.
Thank both of you guys. I wasn’t ever trying to sound like a know it all or anything, I just have a lot of confidence in my knowledge on this particular topic.
I’ll try and start another debate on a topic similar soon and I hope y’all are there to see it.
Thanks for the vote, wasn’t trying to sound like a doctor or pharmacist. I have just dedicated many years of my life to studying pharmacology. I think my title being unclear messed up my argument pretty badly.
Rational madman, we can debate this topic again, you can go first and try to take a different, more knowledgeable approach.
Any time, just invite me to a debate
I will discuss drugs at any time with anyone.
Humans certainly contribute to clime change and the warming period we are experiencing now. However I do not believe there is sufficient evidence to claim we are the primary or even a large part of it. There is far too much uncertainty in the data to make the claim and be serious about it. The IPCC reports themselves have addressed this and said humans are contributing but they can’t even agree on how much. Most of the evidence I would bring forward would come from IPCC reports, and the things I’ve learned obtaining my geoscience with a focus in data anlytics bachelors degree.
All of that is very true, but you’re wrong. There was a time all drugs were legal in the US up until 1969 there’s was no control on substances being sold and possessed.
Climate change is real but it’s impossible to say humans are the driving factor of it given the uncertainty in the data.
I disagree that most of it is hypothetical, there’s a huge collection of data on how drugs affect societies throughout history and it isn’t hard to apply them to ours.
Also pharmacology leaves little to hypotheticals.
I would be down to debate you on another topic, but I only have two areas I’d be willing to truly debate in a matter like this. It’s pharmacology and drugs as a whole, and climate change.
Thank you very much for the vote. I could go into everything you brought up, I just didn’t feel like the debate was going in that direction and I needed to address his points so they didn’t go unnoticed.
I’d be willing to have this debate with you if you’re willing. Thanks again.
Drugs can dramatically impact the way those animals behave in their natural habitats. Take the MDMA and octopi studies for example.
Animal behavior has a whole lot of crossover into pharmacology, especially considering we use animals to determine LD50s and use patterns all the time.
Hey man, thanks for casting a vote. If you ever care to learn more and pharmacology please PM me. I will talk to anyone any time about it and try my best to answer any questions you have.
Well let’s keep it that way lol wasn’t tryna annoy you just tired of this insecure child
Me annoying RM also has nothing to do with this topic lol. But at the same time I’m not tryna annoy anyone but him lol my bad mate.
Eh vote how you please. However I was done until he called me an abusive prick lol. I’ll stop writing comments.
I told the truth, you know nothing about drugs, at all. That’s the most disrespectful thing I said to you before you started reporting votes and whining to mods and trying to get me banned. Before that I was perfectly nice and even brushed off the fact you ignored my friendly messages. After that I decided you needed to get made fun of. Again you’re not a victim, you started this ego battle and pettiness battle so I kept it going. Stop acting like a victim man, if you wouldn’t have done what you did I would have never said anything to you outside of pointing out your under education on this topic. There’s nothing necessarily rude about that. It’s just a fact.
You started the meanness and I didn’t back down from it and now your crying that I’m being a prick when you literally began this entire war in the comments by being a child.
I never blocked you, I never ignored you, I never reported voted that went for you, I never removed you from my friends list. All I did was poke a little fun at you, and got under your skin way too easily. You’re not a victim to anyone or anything in this entire situation, stop trying to act like you’re being tough and honorable by standing up for yourself when you literally started all of this.