Doesn't change the fact that you are still blithely shitting on me, my arguments, my efforts, and the entire mod team. Did I politely give you an out to actually read the debate and evaluate fairly? Yah. Did you take the out and push even further with your shenanigans? Yeah. Am I pointing out your BS? Hell yeah. Do you have a good response to the fact that you're pulling a BS stunt right now? No. Instead you ad hom the mods for removing your vote multiple times, throwing conspiracy accusations on them, and you ad hom me for 'bad form' or for 'having a slight problem'. Bro if you're gonna be a dick, you're gonna get called out for it, form or not.
It's like Joe in the anecdote saying that reporting an incident to HR might be bad form because it creates conflict in the company, reporting Bob to HR, then getting told by Bob "How's your form now bro I thought you didn't want to create conflict in the company? You're just the type to stir things up I guess. Eat your own words." The only proper response from Joe would be to say "Fuck you. You burnt my manuscript."
Bob the company proofreader takes a handwritten, untyped story draft written by a friend, let's call him Joe, and burns it.
Bob then says to the world, "HEY EVERYONE! JOE MIGHT HAVE A SLIGHT PROBLEM WITH THE FACT THAT I BURNT HIS DRAFT! ALSO, IF I GET FIRED, THEN THERE'S SOME HARDCORE CLIQUE FAVORITISM GOING ON, AND I WILL SUE THE COMPANY. MARK MY WORDS."
Bob to Joe, his angry friends, and company HR with regards to what he did: "It's funny that you guys actually care so much. It's just a stupid draft. He put effort into writing it? Well it's not like it's important anyway. Lol. Joe needs to chill. Y'all need to stop taking this so seriously."
That's you, Ethang. You're Bob. You burned every argument and response that I wrote for this debate right out of your head, and evaluated the debate based on a single argument that CON wrote, an argument that I responded to. A response that CON dropped and that you did not weigh. Neither did you weigh a single one of my actual points - both the ones that CON dropped and the ones that CON responded to. It's like I didn't really exist in this debate for you.
Does you calling out the fact that I care about a thing that I put effort into justify you shitting on my efforts? Is it my fault for caring that you shat on my efforts? Is it the moderators' fault for trying to take action on the fact that you are shitting on other people's debates? You pointing out the fact that I have a problem with your vote ahead of time shows that at best you know what's going on with regards to your vote and are refusing to back down. At worse, you are being maliciously provocative for your own enjoyment. I'm seeing a little bit of both.
So I guess you being an asshole to me (and to the mod team) is alright, but any negative response you receive with regard to you being an asshole is fucked up, right? Cuz we should just let people shit on us and be chill about it, right? :)
Also, with all due respect because of the time you sacrifice to conduct moderation, you moderators need to grow a pair. Letting this idiot get away with pushing you around like this is just pathetic.
This was interesting to watch. What shenanigans. So this is the state of things on this site. One Garbo voter gets to push around the moderation team with conspiracy theory accusations, thereby maintaining his impossibly biased vote which completely ignores the actual debate context. In no world is this debate a win for CON. Even I have better counters to Hedonism than what CON threw up. Heck, I could've defended HBOY better than he did WITH REGARDS TO THE RESOLUTION. CON literally dropped 3 entire arguments, all of which I've pointed out, all of which were impacted and IGNORED by CON. You literally cannot give a proper vote without weighing these dropped arguments, and the fact that you are doing it, Ethang, shows that you are voting on bias alone. Idk who the heck this ethang guy is, but he should not be voting on debates. Maybe instead of blaming the mods for targeting your votes, maybe look at why you've been targeted. The probability that it has something to do with the fact that the content that you put up is flawed is much higher than the probability that there is some kind of hidden conspiracy against you. Stop complaining about the mod team, stop throwing out inane accusations. Realize that maybe YOU actually ARE the problem. Fix yourself. You shouldnt be voting on debates if you don't know how to evaluate them properly. Stop being a lil bogie. I know it insults your ego if you were to let go and do as I'm telling you, but get the hell over it and make yourself better.
Probably bad form to critique a voter of your own debate, but here:
"But the debate is not about whether people can hold contradictory beliefs, but whether such beliefs are better/more rational than noncontradictory beliefs."
No it's not. Read the resolution in the description. In order for CON to win, he has to show an alternative philosophy to be BETTER than hedonism. I've shown at the very least that his philosophy is at best JUST AS CONTRADICTORY as the "contradictory" elements of Hedonism. Con dropped this argument completely, which means you MUST (1) evaluate it or (2) evaluate my evaluation of it. That's what you're supposed to do to all the arguments that CON did not respond to. I'm not supposed to measure hedonism against what you personally consider to be 'noncontradictory beliefs'. I'm supposed to measure hedonism against CON's philosophy and vice versa.
Again, read the resolution in the description. Until you fairly evaluate the actual text + all relevant points and arguments (dropped, responses, etc.) made WITH RESPECT TO the ACTUAL resolution instead of contriving your own resolution in your head, I will continue to report your vote. As a debater, I know for a fact, given dropped arguments + the current resolution, that this is 100% a PRO win.
For me, a hedonist lifestyle is one ruled by strong discipline, work ethic and love for humanity. Is that extreme to you? It's all relative and subjective I think
OK Bob.
Doesn't change the fact that you are still blithely shitting on me, my arguments, my efforts, and the entire mod team. Did I politely give you an out to actually read the debate and evaluate fairly? Yah. Did you take the out and push even further with your shenanigans? Yeah. Am I pointing out your BS? Hell yeah. Do you have a good response to the fact that you're pulling a BS stunt right now? No. Instead you ad hom the mods for removing your vote multiple times, throwing conspiracy accusations on them, and you ad hom me for 'bad form' or for 'having a slight problem'. Bro if you're gonna be a dick, you're gonna get called out for it, form or not.
It's like Joe in the anecdote saying that reporting an incident to HR might be bad form because it creates conflict in the company, reporting Bob to HR, then getting told by Bob "How's your form now bro I thought you didn't want to create conflict in the company? You're just the type to stir things up I guess. Eat your own words." The only proper response from Joe would be to say "Fuck you. You burnt my manuscript."
Bob the company proofreader takes a handwritten, untyped story draft written by a friend, let's call him Joe, and burns it.
Bob then says to the world, "HEY EVERYONE! JOE MIGHT HAVE A SLIGHT PROBLEM WITH THE FACT THAT I BURNT HIS DRAFT! ALSO, IF I GET FIRED, THEN THERE'S SOME HARDCORE CLIQUE FAVORITISM GOING ON, AND I WILL SUE THE COMPANY. MARK MY WORDS."
Bob to Joe, his angry friends, and company HR with regards to what he did: "It's funny that you guys actually care so much. It's just a stupid draft. He put effort into writing it? Well it's not like it's important anyway. Lol. Joe needs to chill. Y'all need to stop taking this so seriously."
That's you, Ethang. You're Bob. You burned every argument and response that I wrote for this debate right out of your head, and evaluated the debate based on a single argument that CON wrote, an argument that I responded to. A response that CON dropped and that you did not weigh. Neither did you weigh a single one of my actual points - both the ones that CON dropped and the ones that CON responded to. It's like I didn't really exist in this debate for you.
Does you calling out the fact that I care about a thing that I put effort into justify you shitting on my efforts? Is it my fault for caring that you shat on my efforts? Is it the moderators' fault for trying to take action on the fact that you are shitting on other people's debates? You pointing out the fact that I have a problem with your vote ahead of time shows that at best you know what's going on with regards to your vote and are refusing to back down. At worse, you are being maliciously provocative for your own enjoyment. I'm seeing a little bit of both.
So I guess you being an asshole to me (and to the mod team) is alright, but any negative response you receive with regard to you being an asshole is fucked up, right? Cuz we should just let people shit on us and be chill about it, right? :)
Also, with all due respect because of the time you sacrifice to conduct moderation, you moderators need to grow a pair. Letting this idiot get away with pushing you around like this is just pathetic.
This was interesting to watch. What shenanigans. So this is the state of things on this site. One Garbo voter gets to push around the moderation team with conspiracy theory accusations, thereby maintaining his impossibly biased vote which completely ignores the actual debate context. In no world is this debate a win for CON. Even I have better counters to Hedonism than what CON threw up. Heck, I could've defended HBOY better than he did WITH REGARDS TO THE RESOLUTION. CON literally dropped 3 entire arguments, all of which I've pointed out, all of which were impacted and IGNORED by CON. You literally cannot give a proper vote without weighing these dropped arguments, and the fact that you are doing it, Ethang, shows that you are voting on bias alone. Idk who the heck this ethang guy is, but he should not be voting on debates. Maybe instead of blaming the mods for targeting your votes, maybe look at why you've been targeted. The probability that it has something to do with the fact that the content that you put up is flawed is much higher than the probability that there is some kind of hidden conspiracy against you. Stop complaining about the mod team, stop throwing out inane accusations. Realize that maybe YOU actually ARE the problem. Fix yourself. You shouldnt be voting on debates if you don't know how to evaluate them properly. Stop being a lil bogie. I know it insults your ego if you were to let go and do as I'm telling you, but get the hell over it and make yourself better.
Probably bad form to critique a voter of your own debate, but here:
"But the debate is not about whether people can hold contradictory beliefs, but whether such beliefs are better/more rational than noncontradictory beliefs."
No it's not. Read the resolution in the description. In order for CON to win, he has to show an alternative philosophy to be BETTER than hedonism. I've shown at the very least that his philosophy is at best JUST AS CONTRADICTORY as the "contradictory" elements of Hedonism. Con dropped this argument completely, which means you MUST (1) evaluate it or (2) evaluate my evaluation of it. That's what you're supposed to do to all the arguments that CON did not respond to. I'm not supposed to measure hedonism against what you personally consider to be 'noncontradictory beliefs'. I'm supposed to measure hedonism against CON's philosophy and vice versa.
Again, read the resolution in the description. Until you fairly evaluate the actual text + all relevant points and arguments (dropped, responses, etc.) made WITH RESPECT TO the ACTUAL resolution instead of contriving your own resolution in your head, I will continue to report your vote. As a debater, I know for a fact, given dropped arguments + the current resolution, that this is 100% a PRO win.
For me, a hedonist lifestyle is one ruled by strong discipline, work ethic and love for humanity. Is that extreme to you? It's all relative and subjective I think
True. That would make rate of response higher. I just didn't want to be stressing about this debate for more than a week, haha.
"My rap is inferior." That's like admitting defeat. Have some confidence!! D: