PGA2.0

My moral good is whatever makes people happy while not harming others.

What is your morality? 

Regarding your pagan faith of Preterism, and the discussion thereof, what part of my statement to you in my post #86 didn't you understand after you RAN AWAY from our discussion, because what you thought you knew about the Bible, YOU BLANANTLY DIDNT!  LOL

"For laughable entertainment purposes, I will “discuss” your Satanic Preterism within the confines of this forum because I am on the road with my “Road to Heaven Bus” and do not have electric hook ups at all times for my computer, thus the time limits in the Debate area is not comparable."

Here is a link for you and the equally bible inept Ethang5 to use, it is called Reading comprehension 101.

https://www.universalclass.com/i/course/reading-comprehension-101.htm

The two of you can take this class together, and subsequently, you two won't be making continued fools of yourselves, praise Jesus!

If the debate is about who can post more underlined capitol letters in bold, you're in trouble! Lol.

Brother Dee dee is a parody, he can't debate.

Religion is all about you, God and your relationship with God.

Why do people believe in God?

Most were trained from birth to believe, others begin to believe later.

Believers believe because they don't want to go to hell of course, that's one big thing.

They do want to go to heaven, that's another thing.

They want to be better more disciplined people, which is an advantage.

They want to feel better and many report feeling more content as a result.

They may want to quit drinking or have some other life crisis that can be eased by the adoption of religion.

There are probably a lot of reasons, but they are all about you and what is going on inside you.

Religion is an inwardly focused activity and that's what it's about.

PGA, Brother Dee reminds me of one of those guys who shout, "somebody hold me back!!" When they don't really want to fight, but are ashamed for people to know that they are yellow.

He keeps begging you to quit. Lol.

Explain what your source of morality is and why your moral good is better than mine. 

Your and you nosense is the joke so please take your religous mythical nonsense where it belongs.

My source is rational, logical common sense and that is something you avoid like the plague. Sad lack of intellectual integrity :--( Take it out of philosophy cause that is the only righteous thing to do. Sincerely, Ebuc

Read my simple lips/text:

Please keep your Biblical nonsense in the Biblical religious forum as that is the only place it belongs.

Biblical non-sense is not philosophical. It is religious, mythological non-sense, with a few good morals thrown in as well as some historical info that is sometimes corroborated with other such recordings.

YOUR NEEDLESS POST BECAUSE YOU HAVE FAILED IN DEFENDING CHRISTIANITY: "You can show others in the debate I challenged you to but don't expect me to subject myself to your ridicule and ad hominem attacks. Those kinds of tactics are morally devoid of truth and what happens when we engage in then is a muddle slinging match that goes nowhere. All that happens is that we both lose ground. "

PGA2.0, what part of my statement to you didn't you understand, saying: "You are embarrassingly excused for the last time, and there is no need whatsoever for you to continue to remove one foot from your mouth to insert the other with spewing forth any more Devil Speak, accept your humiliating loss and try and move on the best way you can"

LISTEN, YOU ARE DONE, FINISHED, KAPUT, ENDED, TERMINATED, EXPIRED, BROKEN-DOWN, AND WIPED-OUT, DO YOU UNDERSTAND?!!!  DO NOT CONTINUE TO EMBARRASS YOURSELF, JUST BE SILENT AND ACCEPT YOUR OUTRIGHT HUMILITY!

NEXT?

If there is no God then why is your subjective view on what is good any better than mine? Good luck with that.

Keep your Biblical nonsense in the Biblical religious forum as that is the only place it belongs.

Biblical non-sense is not philosphical. It is religious mythological non-sense, with a few good morals thrown in as well as some historical info that is sometimes corroborated with other.

Okay, I will add you to the ever growing list of FAKE CHRISTIANS that had to leave the discussion about their division of Christianity because they could NOT defend it and remain intelligent looking in the aftermath. The godly logic that Jesus has given you, He expected you to use, and not in any way try and Satanically rewrite his bible like you have tried in vain to do, and at your expense upon Judgment Day!

You bailed out at the right time, because I didn't even start to show you how biblically ignorant you truly are in front of the members of DEBATEART, whereas you were leading yourself down the path to committing the Unpardonable Sin, of which there is no forgiveness whatsoever.   

Let DEBATEART know, and actually see, that you have utterly failed Christianity by RUNNING AWAY from it as explicitly shown with your last feeble post #88, where you must not forget, Jesus watched you easily perform this ungodly act.  Jesus is NOT smiling in your behalf, but disgusted with you and your pagan acceptance of your Satanic cult named "Preterism!"

With your Satanic presence here on DEBATEART, barring your avoidance, I was explicitly following the words of Jesus to prevent you from furthering your Devil Speak to the naive Christians that would believe your ungodly diatribe, as stated, to wit: "I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive." (Romans 16:17-18)

You are embarrassingly excused for the last time, and there is no need whatsoever for you to continue to remove one foot from your mouth to insert the other with spewing forth any more Devil Speak, accept your humiliating loss and try and move on the best way you can.

PRAISE THE TRUE JESUS' MODUS OPERANDI, A MANS MAN SAVIOR!

Please take your irrational, illogical lack of common sense "slop" of  biblical nonsense to the religous forum.

It has no philosophical value whatsoever irrespective of your answering someones question or not.  Biblical BS is BS irrespective of all else.

You don get because  you dont want to get it.  Biblical ego not any differrent than intellectual ego that refuses to face and accept rational, logical common sense when presented to them.  Please take a hike to the Biblical  religlous forum with your nonsense.

YOUR PSYCHOTIC QUOTE: “Since it is impossible for God to die it was the human nature that died upon the cross and was resurrected three days later. Thus, it was a true sacrifice. Jesus, in His humanity, felt the same pain of suffering and death that human beings experience due to sin and death. You read into Scripture what it does not say or imply. Thus, you again expose you are ignorant of the scriptural teaching. “

I have seen some really far-fetched explanations from truly ignorant fake Christians before, but you take the cake with your Twilight Zone rigamarole in explaining Jesus the way you did in your comical diatribe above! My sides hurt because of the laughter you gave me!

Your Satanic Cult of Preterism states with specificity that Jesus is divine as the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as within the Triune Doctrine. It DOES NOT say that Jesus is only in two separate and laughable entities like you proffer at the expense of laughter towards you by the members of DEBATEART! 

PRETERISM BELIEFS:  https://www.preterist.org/about-us/what-we-believe/

PGA2.0 FAILED IN ADDRESSING BIBLICAL CONTRADICTIONS:

Regarding your complete failure in even trying to attempt to address all of the biblical contradictions that Stephen has brought forth, your response to me was “Buck, buck, buuuck.”  Again, this proves beyond any doubt that you cannot even come close to dealing with biblical contradictions, other than to RUN AWAY from them, and we thank you for accepting the fact that you blatantly FAILED in this respect in front of the members of DEBATEART, and in front of the eyes of Jesus the Christ! (Hebrews 4:13).  SATAN IS SO PROUD OF YOU!

YOU ARE ON RECORD AT DEBATEART IN CALLING JESUS A LIAR!!!

JESUS’ TRUE WORDS:  “And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.” (1 Timothy 2:14)

PGA2.0 LYING WORDS REPRESENTING SATAN:  “Adam was created first. It was Adam that God held accountable for the sins of the world because just like Jesus Christ, Adam represented us before God.”

Godly logic 101, that Jesus has given His creation,  stipulates that since Eve partook of the forbidden fruit FIRST, she is held responsible for initiating original sin, period! Otherwise, why did our serial killing Jesus punish her by giving her severe pain at child birth and telling Eve that Adam shall rule over her?!  In turn, Adam got a slap on the wrist for eating the forbidden fruit, even though he did not know good from evil until he ate from the fruit, to begin with. get it? Huh? Why do you allow yourself to be laughed at here on DEBATEART?

YOUR EVER SO LAME QUOTE OF DENIAL:  “I spent an elaborate amount of time in showing that God is not a murderer yet you do what cults and cultists are so good at, you twist my words to suit your purposes.”

One of a “plethora” of examples of our Jesus, as the Hebrew God Yahweh incarnate, committing murder was as follows: “At midnight the LORD struck down all the firstborn in Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn of the prisoner, who was in the dungeon, and the firstborn of all the livestock as well.”

Now, you can turn yourself into a pretzel and spin doctor this proposition until you turn blue, but the fact remains that our Jesus, as God, MURDERED innocent children that knew not of what Pharaoh did to get our serial killer Jesus so upset, UNDERSTOOD?  Then to make it even more embarrassing for you, you state under the above scenario, that Jesus nonetheless loves the little children that he MURDERED!!!  With skewed logic like this, it is no wonder that the millennials on back jettison Christianity all together!

You give Christianity a bad name for believing in the way you do, and not accepting the plain old facts like I do in that Jesus, as Yahweh God incarnate, is a serial killer, period!  I have accepted this notion and move on and DO NOT make excuses for his factual murders.

YOUR EQUALLY LAME DENIAL OF JESUS MURDERING INNOCENT CHILDREN:  “News for you. We all die. Some God takes before others. Those who are innocent (i.e., in the sense that they have never done anything wrong) He restores to life with Himself.”

Your notion shown above admits that our God murders innocent life, thank you as you are finally coming around to Jesus true MO!  As in the case of drowning babies in His Great Flood, and it matters not to the mothers that watched in horror their drowning babies go under the waters of the sea for the last time, do you understand?!  Our Jesus is truly an SOB, and we have to accept this as FACT without any psychotic Satanic spin doctoring to the contrary like you perform ad infinitum, do you understand? YES? Maybe?

YOUR GRASPING FOR STRAWS QUOTE REGARDING JESUS: “No other human being lived a completely spotless life before God.”

SIN: an immoral act considered to be a transgression against divine law.

Jesus as the Hebrew Yahweh God incarnate, murdered innocent children within the scriptures and is held accountable for such actions, whether He is God, the Son, the Fed Ex driver, or Homer Simpson, therefore Jesus sinned and is to be considered a serial killer. To state otherwise is psychotic and laughable.  2+2=4.

For laughable entertainment purposes, I will “discuss” your Satanic Preterism within the confines of this forum because I am on the road with my “Road to Heaven Bus” and do not have electric hook ups at all times for my computer, thus the time limits in the Debate area is not comparable.  Now, if this isn’t good enough for you, and you need to run away to save further embarrassment because of your ungodly division of Christianity, then so be it, do you understand?  In other words, I do not have access to this forum on a 24/7/365 basis, which in turn, is a godsend for you!

To use a more appropriate passage regarding your Preterism and foolish ungodly rhetoric, I will use this passage relating to you: “Answer a fool as his folly deserves, That he not be wise in his own eyes.” (Proverbs 26:5)

Once again you are excused to follow one of the most Satanic Cultist divisions of Christianity, and that is, PRETERISM!

Please take your irrational, illogical lack of common sense, biblical nonsense to the religous forum.

It has not philosophical value whatsoever.

You assume that certain data is factual, which is nowhere near the same as data being factual.

And your commitment and solidification is indicative of well established data conditioning.

And the older you get the harder it is to re-programme.

In that sense, all religious commitment is exactly the same process.

It's just how you decide to order the data that makes you believe that you are the one that is righteous.

And of course we all do exactly the same.

So, can Christians be pro-choice? 

Obviously. If that is how people choose to interpret and order the relevant data.

You have argued that it is not a person. I have argued the opposite and have asked you to qualify whether a human being by nature is a personal being? 

You have not seen a reasonable response because this question doesn't make sense to me. Is a human being always a person, my answer is no. Before they're born they are embryos, zygotes, fetuses. Not people. Please clarify what a 'personal being by nature' means. 

How is it that a woman can decide to kill/murder her innocent unborn human offspring but if she decided to kill her innocent two-year-old, twelve-year-old, or twenty-year-old it is murder? Why two different sets of rules?

Because an embryo is not offspring. It is an embryo. All the others are people. This is not hard

 But how does that work in our environment, outside the womb?. 

Your environment is not part of anyone's body anymore and you are a person.

the newborn is dependent and reliant on the same woman for its life. Why can't she just end its life because it is undesirable too?

Because, you guessed it, the newborn is a person. 

there are very few good reasons why abortion is ever justifiable. 

THis makes it sound like you think there are also circumstances where it IS justifiable. If you think that, say that, but this seems disingenuous as it is.

I do not have a right with my body or because of it to kill an innocent human being. Why does the woman?

Because the woman is making a choice about her OWN body. If you could carry embryos to term, I'd give you that choice to. As it is, you can only end the lives of PEOPLE. Not embryos.

Well, you must be including yourself in this grouping too then since you would also save the one as opposed to the many.

If it isn't clear, I'm not included in that group because I don't think embryos are 1000 people. I think the child is a person. I've already said if you chose the embryos I'd have disagreed, but said "At least you're consistent that the embryos are in fact people, not just cells, as I see them." 

God tolerates our evil actions to a point and no further. Then He judges those actions in some way.

Seriously, if your hypothetical god is so super-smart-and-super-powerful, why bother even making laws in the first place?

Nobody can interfere with god's plan right?

  I mean, it would be impossible to outsmart god right?

  It should be impossible to avoid god's ultimate justice, right?

Good people will get rewarded and evil people will be punished BY gOD.

NO HUMAN ACTION REQUIRED.

...in which the liberal left has orchestrated a situation where the leader of the country, the President, is presumed guilty by accusation without any due process by Adam Shiff and the Democrat Party.

The CONSTITUTION gives the HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES broad discretion in creating its own RULES OF IMPEACHMENT.

This CONSTITUTIONAL POWER is exactly the same power that allowed REPUBLICANS to impeach Clinton for a non-criminal act.

  An act, I'd like to mention, which was discovered in the course of a COMPLETELY UNRELATED INVESTIGATION regarding some real-estate-deals (White Water).  Clinton's action was considered GROSSLY INAPPROPRIATE and therefore was ACTUALLY IMPEACHED.  Yes, Clinton was IMPEACHED under the exact same process that is happening today.

Congress is not held to the same standards as a civil or criminal court.

They are granted broad discretion in creating their own RULES OF IMPEACHMENT.

This wing of the government is very corrupt, IMO, and is corrupting a massive number of US inhabitants by its use of the media and propaganda.

I agree that the government is very corrupt and is aided by its use of media and propaganda, WHICH IS PRIMARILY DESIGNED TO TURN CITIZENS AGAINST EACH OTHER BY SPREADING OPINIONS DISGUISED AS FACTS.

Its policy of ignoring justice by rewarding illegal activity (i.e., Illegal immigration, abortion on demand or even promoting killing the newborn after birth, drug use, etc),

None of your examples are REWARDED.

...ignoring poverty to seize power, and finding any means necessary to obtain power is wrong.

Well, sort of.  How do you propose convincing the RICH AND POWERFUL to SELF-REGULATE?

Does your old book have any clear guidelines for this?  Or does it just say, "pray and ask god".

IMO, your country will go in one of two ways depending on the next election. Either this corruption in the deep state will be purged or your country will reap what it sows and head down the road to socialism and big government where the corrupt bureaucracy pads its pockets at the expense of the rest.

THE DEEP-STATE IS GOING NOWHERE, REGARDLESS OF THE ELECTION, THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THE DEEP-STATE.

If it goes that way it is only a matter of time before you will see the judgment of such actions.

Are you kidding me?  This administration has done NOTHING to mitigate corruption.

Throughout history, eventually, the fate of nations is decided by the evil of its people. There is a measure beyond which God brings judgment.  

I'm sure everything is happening exactly as your hypothetical god intended from the beginning of time.

What a glorious and perfect world has this god wrought.

Miller concludes, "So, we have international and extreme violence and unusually decadent (and destructive/dangerous) religious practices...." And with this in mind, let's ask the next question: Had the Canaanites been left alone, what would our world be like today?

The question, "Had the Canaanites been left alone, what would our world be like today?" is an appeal to fear and an appeal to ignorance.

There are many societies that were not slaughtered by the Israelites that practiced many if not most of these same rites.

Namely, the Romans and the Egyptians.

And the world is exactly as it is today.

I can expand on this with a number of reasons and some biblical quotes but I'm running short on time tonight. I will try and remember to follow up on the saving of the virgin girls tomorrow. 

No rush.  It sounds like basic animal instinct.  For example, when a male lion takes over (invades) a pride it kills (and or banishes) all the males, and spares all the females.

God has said, You shall not kill/murder.

And yet this same god demanded repeatedly that "his people" kill every man, woman, and male child of their enemies (saving all of the virgin females to serve as slaves of course).

The OT explains the reason why God brought judgment on them time and time again. These people did evil in God's sight.

I see.  So, where in the ten commandments does it say "do not kill - except - if that person or their parents and or their town is evil"??

I thought your old book said something about, "love thine enemy" or somesuch.

They threatened Israel and their worship of God. By conquering the land God eliminated the threats that would have continually come from these people. 

By this same standard, does your hypothetical god generally endorse the wholesale slaughter of any non-believers and or oppressors of believers?

Don't you claim that the principles distilled from your old book are "objective immutable eternal laws of morality"??

Again, if God takes an innocent life He will restore it.

How do you know this?  Which passage in your old book makes this claim?

Have they increased the time limits on debate on this site? I thought it was 72 hours per round.

You have argued that it is not a person. I have argued the opposite and have asked you to qualify whether a human being by nature is a personal being? 

You have not seen a reasonable response because this question doesn't make sense to me. Is a human being always a person, my answer is no. Before they're born they are embryos, zygotes, fetuses. Not people. Please clarify what a 'personal being by nature' means. 

How is it that a woman can decide to kill/murder her innocent unborn human offspring but if she decided to kill her innocent two-year-old, twelve-year-old, or twenty-year-old it is murder? Why two different sets of rules?

Because an embryo is not offspring. It is an embryo. All the others are people. This is not hard

 But how does that work in our environment, outside the womb?. 

Your environment is not part of anyone's body anymore and you are a person.

the newborn is dependent and reliant on the same woman for its life. Why can't she just end its life because it is undesirable too?

Because, you guessed it, the newborn is a person. 

there are very few good reasons why abortion is ever justifiable. 

THis makes it sound like you think there are also circumstances where it IS justifiable. If you think that, say that, but this seems disingenuous as it is.

I do not have a right with my body or because of it to kill an innocent human being. Why does the woman?

Because the woman is making a choice about her OWN body. If you could carry embryos to term, I'd give you that choice to. As it is, you can only end the lives of PEOPLE. Not embryos.

Well, you must be including yourself in this grouping too then since you would also save the one as opposed to the many.

If it isn't clear, I'm not included in that group because I don't think embryos are 1000 people. I think the child is a person. I've already said if you chose the embryos I'd have disagreed, but said "At least you're consistent that the embryos are in fact people, not just cells, as I see them." 

I'd love to have a formal debate on abortion again. My schedule is very busy, but I would make time for you should you be interested.

YOUR SATANIC PRETERIST QUOTE:

 “No, you are mistaken. Jesus is not Father, Son and Holy Spirit. That is a Oneness Pentecostal doctrine and does not comply with God's Word. Jesus is not the Father or the Holy Spirit. God the SON became incarnate and became a human being.”

NOW I SEE YOUR PROBLEM!!!  You Satanically deny Jesus' divinity in the Trinity Doctrine, which is BLASPHEME on your part!  No wonder you weren't making any godly sense!  Now you really are a FAKE CHRISTIAN, in name only, and you will definitely pay upon Judgment Day because of your unrighteousness to the true word of Jesus!

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God” (1 Corinthians 6:9-10). 

The curtain is thrown back, now all of your Devil Speak makes sense, not only because of your pagan Preterist faith, but by also not believing in Jesus as our Jewish Yahweh God incarnate!!

YOUR PRETERIST SATANIC QUOTE:

" For those innocents whose life was taken, He would restore that innocent life because God is just.”

First thing, thank you for accepting the biblical fact that our Yahweh was a serial killer by taking innocent life away in many brutal and horrific ways, which to you is loving and just? 

An example of this alleged love that you purport Yahweh to have, can you believe the outright horror of a mother watching her innocent babies drowning in Yahweh’s Great Flood?  Can an innocent baby that knows not of what their parents did to make Yahweh mad really be evil where they need to die a drastic drowning death?

 Imagine an innocent baby hopelessly treading water in our Jesus’ Great Flood for an hour as they cry out in drastic horror to their mothers? Picture their muscles burning due to large amounts of lactic acid production, where when they finally give up, they went under and held their breaths as acidic carbon dioxide eroded their lungs until the unbearable pain forced them to inhale, where there was no air for them to breathe, and then they died suffocating!!!  What makes this even worse for me, is the biblical fact that our Yahweh/Jesus god was watching these precious little innocent babies drowning a ghastly death and did nothing to save them! (Proverbs 15:3) To you this is loving and just???!  HUH?

Therefore, listen up! It is delusional and psychotic for YOU to postulate that under the above godly scenario, that our Jewish God Yahweh was loving and just!!!  A true Christian like me accepts the fact that our Yahweh was truly a SOB at times, and moves on. Therefore, don’t be a fool in front of others by turning yourself into a pretzel by trying in vain to spin doctor away our God’s true modus operandi! Understood?  You look foolish, where it is no wonder the millennials on back are not going into Christianity!

YOUR PRETERIST SATANIC QUOTE:

“Not only this, our past sins and any sins we may commit in the future are fulling paid for in Jesus since He also took the wrath of God in our place.”

First off, Jesus’ 3 day tomb nap and the pain He went through upon the cross was NOT a true sacrifice, because He did NOT truly die to save our sins, but arose upon the 3rd day alive again, get it?

A real sacrifice is that you remain DEAD, period!  A true sacrifice was done by our armed forces in WW2, where they would have loved to come back to life after being killed, but they did not! Get it?  Furthermore, if Jesus has paid for all of our sins in our total life time, then there is no incentive not to sin! HELLO? Whereas the Hell bound Atheists that live a moral and ethical life without any type of sin hanging over them, are nonetheless destined for Hell upon their demise! Huh? How is that godly logical?

YOUR PRETERIST BIBLE IGNORANCE HAS NO BOUNDS:

“Thus just as a man sinned (Adam) and brought sin into the world, ….”

Jesus H. Christ,

we can see that by being a Preterist, your ignorance upon the bible is without question! 

It was EVE that brought sin into the world first, and not Adam!  “And Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.” (1 Timothy 2:14). 

Your bible ignorance is tiring me, and if you don’t step up to the plate with true biblical knowledge for as change, I do not have the time to engage you as one of the most inept Christians on DEBATEART, understood? Yes?

YOU FAILED TO REMOVE CONTRADICTIONS FROM ALL 200 NT VERSES:  Unfortunately, you are who you pretend to be, and that is a defender of Christianity, which is the farthest from the actual truth.  Let us just accept the fact that you cannot in any way show DEBATEART that the passages in question that are contradicting can be shown by you not to be contradicting!!!  You have failed this endeavor in the eyes of Jesus with some of the most embarrassing excuses that Jesus and I have ever seen, and the sad part is the fact that you don’t have the sense to feel embarrassed about your failure!  NO MORE EXCUSES, PERIOD! YOU ARE DONE!

Now, like I’ve said before, you are going to have to show some knowledge of the bible to have the Brother D. in discussion with you, understood?  I understand that you have a great weight upon your shoulders by swallowing the pagan and Satanic Preterist faith, and by not believing the biblical axiom that Jesus is our brutal serial killer Yahweh God incarnate, BUT, barring these two factions, either arise to the occasion of serious biblical discussion, or forever be known as a FAKE Christian and be equal to the equally bible inept Ethang5!   Understood?

You are excused.

Exactly.

Selective data management, results in selective and temporary mind states.

One is a Christian only for the temporary moments when one analyses the relevant data.

One only cares when one temporarily decides to care.

The rest of the time is spent managing the mundane but necessary, day to day existence stuff.

So pro-choice Christian?

It all depends on how the individual analyses the data and what the resultant conclusion is.

Good! You do not believe it is okay to kill human beings just because they are not as developed as you!!! Since the unborn is a human being and not as developed why are you then endorsing the woman's right to kill it? 

Straw man.

Please show me the statistics where women who choose abortions mark down "because it's not as developed as me, I'm killing it" as their reason for making the choice. This isn't my argument at all. People have rights. This addresses the paragraphs later in your post as I can see, so I'm not quoting those and responding and repeating myself. 

As I mentioned in my last post, the difference from one minute before to one minute after birth, biologically, is the environment. So, it is okay with you to kill human beings because of where they reside. Correct? If not, why? 

Straw man again.

No one says it's okay to kill a person based on where they live (though many Christians have fought wars and killed many based largely on this principle, strange to bring it up!), and that's not the same as choosing an abortion at week 12 or 16 or 20.

You have a right to bodily autonomy.

No one is having an abortion one minute before birth, either. 

Embryos = people. Inconsistent?

Inconsistent with choosing to let 1000 people die versus 1 and not being an immoral monster, as I see it.

If the idea is to do the most good and embryos are the exact same thing as people, the only choice is to save the most you can. We've been over this and you've yet to say why that's wrong, you simply say "I chose the baby because it feels more pain I think, and probably has parents who love it."

But God has our time (v. 26) in His hands. 

So, your god sanctions abortion in the exact same way it sanctions storm damage.

This hypothetical god knows all and controls all, with intentionality.

God has said, You shall not kill/murder.

And yet this same god demanded repeatedly that "his people" kill every man, woman, and male child of their enemies (saving all of the virgin females to serve as slaves of course).

This hypothetical god demanded child slaughter.

The historical accuracy of an old book does not support any supernatural claims within that same book.

History is a confirmation of what was spoken before the event happened. Is that a reasonable statement? 

I think you're describing prophecy.

Let's say that your old book contains 100% verifiable prophecy.

Accurate predictions of historical events - does not - support any supernatural claims within that same book.

Each individual claim must be verified and taken on its own merits.

There is no number of accurate claims that gives a person, or an old book, BLANKET CREDIBILITY.

What kind of prophecies about real events were predicted beforehand and came about as said?

It may surprise you but rise of ISIS was predicted way back during late 80s. Shocked? But it’s true. A Bulgarian fortune teller who died 20 years ago warned of the rise of ISIS by claiming there would be a 'great Muslim war' in 2016. [LINK]

Despite these prognostications of Russian staying power, the Soviet state was actually in grave danger.

Meyer declared this in stark terms:

"Now let us consider the implication of our assertion that if the Soviet Union doesn’t take the West in the next 20 years or so, it never will: it means that if present trends continue, we’re going to win the cold war."

Meyer was right. The Soviet Union collapsed only eight years later. [LINK]

The Simpsons has almost prophetic abilities.

These are pictures of Donald Trump as president. In the year 2000, they aired an episode where they said that Donald Trump would become president. The episode below was aired in 2015, before Trump had been elected. They predicted a presidency 16 years before it happened.

In this episode, Homer was trying to vote for Obama, but the machine changed his vote to McCain. That was aired in 2008. Then in the 2012 elections, lots of people said the machines were changing their votes. [LINK]

Little Amir was killed by an Israeli airstrike.

You probably didn't know so you wouldn't have cared.

Read this and you might care for a few fleeting moments.

Tomorrow you will have forgotten.

Temporary mind states.

And normal hypocrisy.

YOUR LACK OF LOGIC 101 QUOTE:

“First, what is the difference between you taking someone's life and God taking that same life? I await your answer.”

If I murdered someone, and our Jesus as Yahweh God incarnate murdered someone, I am not called “All loving and forgiving” like Jesus would be called in the irrational dichotomy that prevails in the aftermath, get it? Huh? Maybe? Do you need further clarification?  In turn, I await you wiping the egg from your face once again by making such an ignorant statement.

YOUR QUOTE WHERE YOU REMOVE ONE FOOT TO INSERT THE OTHER AGAIN:

“His human nature is different from His Godly nature. They are not the same nature yet within the Person of Jesus two natures reside.”

Jesus is Yahweh God incarnate, in three different forms, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.  Quit embarrassing yourself in front of the Religion Forum and promote His true modus operandi of His godly Triune, understood? Thank you.

YOUR CONTINUED BIBLICALLY IGNORANT QUOTE: 

“ ….But does that make God a human?”

We can see that you are having a hard time in not only understanding that our God Jesus was HUMAN when He walked the earth, but also, you are having a really hard time in trying to Satanically spin doctor Exodus 21:23 away when God had “hands” and a “behind” when dealing with Moses.  Do you realize in how utterly inept you look when trying in vain to rewrite the scriptures? Huh?  Where do you get the authority to do this ungodly act as you call our God a LIAR for stating that He had hands and a behind in the passage in question! BLASPHEME!

YOUR “POT” QUOTE CALLING THE “KETTLE BLACK: 

“I find your statements crass and rude as well as irreverent and disrespectful in complete contrast to those whom God has made Himself known to”

In turn, Jesus and I find your Satanic Devil Speak more than crass and rude where you continue to try and rewrite His true words, and by not understanding the most simple of biblical axioms, and by not defending Jesus like you have not done ad infinitum!!!! In simpler terms, YOU have no room to talk, understood?

YOUR GRASPING FOR STRAWS QUOTE:

“The description of God having human attributes in the OT such as hands and feet, eyes and a mouth are figurative ways God uses to help us understand and relate to Him, as also He uses clouds and fire and other terms to describe Himself. Does that mean God is a cloud?

Listen, I have already addressed this notion earlier at your expense, remember? How deep do you want to dig your hole? Maybe to HELL?  Try this very simple proposition, and get help upon it if need be, now read the godly passage below, then add 2+2 and see if it equals 4, okay?

"So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.” (Genesis 1:27)

Did you get it?  Read the words again that say; “So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them ….”  Therefore, our serial killer Yahweh God had HANDS and a BEHIND like we do because He created us in his IMAGE!!!   2+2=4, oil and water don’t mix, and PGA2.0 is sent here from Satan Himself to disrupt this forum!

YOUR REVEALING RUNAWAY QUOTE:

“I'm not going to waste my time explaining as many as I can. As I said, that would take more time than I care to spend on this subject when so far I have had no response to the two posts I tackled on the subject.”

Again, you are all talk and absolutely NO ACTION as Jesus watches you run away from defending His faith! (Hebrews 4:13) Satan must be so proud of you as you continue to let Jesus down. (Titus 1:9) How shameful can you get?

PGA2.0, listen, do you think I like making you the blatant FAKE Christian on DEBATEART? No, I do not, therefore, maybe you should take a break from the action in pretending to be a Christian in front of this forum, where as blatantly shown, you are no more a Christian than Dr. Franklin or Tradesecret!

YOUR AMUSING TO YOURSELF QUOTE: 

“What a laugh! Why would I take the time to answer your posts when you continue to disrespect me with your arrogant boasting and debasing attitude? Nevertheless, I will. But I'm not going to answer 200 alleged contradictions. I don't have the time nor the will, especially when no one is willing to respond to the ones I already addressed.”

Why would you answer my posts when I disrespect you, but then you do it anyway? Do you know where you are at any given time in religious discussion? Obviously not.  I have the right to disrespect you because it needs to be done because you disrespect Jesus as you continue to slap Him in the face with your Satanic spin doctoring of His words! 

WAIT: you are not going to address the rest of the “alleged” bible contradictions?  The gauntlet was thrown down by the Hell bound Atheist Stephen, and now you are not going to defend Jesus by addressing ALL of the alleged contradictions in His name, therefore letting the Atheist Stephen OWN YOU and your faith? Really?  THINK; WWJD, runaway like you are doing, or stand ground and defend the faith? Just like the myriad of other FAKE Christians, you are all talk and no action when it comes to defending the faith, and why am I now surprised.  You will pay dearly upon Judgment Day, that is for sure!

JESUS STATED: "He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, So that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it. " (Titus 1:9).  

PGA2.0, go ahead, continue to make a mockery of Jesus by not even trying to prove that ALL of the “alleged” contradictions are false. May I ask what type of “running shoes” do you wear when discussing the faith? Are they NIKE, Adidas, or?    

YOUR REVEALING QUOTE TO ME:

 “What do you know about Preterism? Are you willing to formally debate the subject matter as to whether a futurist or Preterist view is biblical? If so, I will set up the debate when I find the time.”

I Know enough about your Devil Speak Preterism to realize that anyone that swallows this ungodly faith is either a minion of Satan, or Satan Himself, therefore, which one are you? I have forgotten more about Preterism than you will unfortunately ever know about it, where Jesus and I would make you the fool in any type of debate upon this ungodly faith, period!  Your non-christian faith, in part, hangs it hat upon Matthew 24:34 as you try and pull the wool over the equally inept in stating that Jesus has already accomplished His 2nd coming, what?

Listen, I have an orange bridge for sale in San Francisco, are you interested in it’s purchase? Its a real money maker, and I’ll give you some great terms of sale, okay?  Priceless.

Now, if you want reasonable evidence that the biblical revelation is true and logical to believe I can make that argument too.

Pretty please?

The historical accuracy of an old book does not support any supernatural claims within that same book.

For example, The Amazing Spider-man comics describe some historically accurate places, like NYC and some historically accurate events, but that historical accuracy does not grant the stories blanket credibility.

He also will not take an innocent life without restoring it to a better place, His presence. 

So if all aborted and or miscarried blastocyst/zygote/embryo/fetus goes to "a better place", where's the injustice?

Working under the heaven-hypothesis, isn't murdering a devout person the equivalent of handing them a free ticket to Eternal-Hawaii?

I am saying that nothing happens without God's permissive or discretive will.

How is this compatible with the human-freewill-hypothesis?

Or are you perhaps a Calvinist?

What is a human embryo? Is it a human being or some other kind of being or does it not exist as a uniquely separate entity or being? Define what you mean by being.

In the interest of keeping this discussion productive, I'll ignore the part where you seem to think I endorse eugenics or that it's okay to kill people because they're not as developed as me. It's very, very simple: once you're born, you are no longer a human embryo. You are now part of PEOPLE. People all have intrinsic value and rights. I'm not using the term being at all, that's your language. Human Embryo. Person. That's it. 

I'm not trying to convince you that you made the wrong choice. I'm saying it's inconsistent with embryos = people. That's it. Go to your crazy talking points about how this ends up with lawlessness and ignore the facts of the matter all you like, but neither one of us really equates embryos with people. I'd save the baby. You'd save the baby. That's all there is to it. 

I believe the NOUMENON is the necessary ultimate standard for objectivity in origins and morality since IT meets the fixed and unchanging final reference point plus the universe is ITS creation, per LOGICAL NECESSITY.

The universe is its creation? Does 'it' refer to the noumenon or does 'it' refer to the universe? If it refers to the latter, how can something create itself? If it refers to the former, how can something without intent or purpose do anything? Both would be a massive unsubstantiated assumption and illogical and inconsistent.

NOUMENON never began to exist. NOUMENON always is. Thus, NOUMENON is not created. Self-creation is a self-refuting concept. To create, something first has to exist. 

The same way a hurricane can destroy a house.

You assume there is no intent behind it or intent to put it into place or create the process of storms. 

Are you suggesting that gods specifically intend storms to kill specific people and destroy specific property?

I'm certainly willing to entertain this "intentional storm" hypothesis, but I have to ask, what evidence do you have to support it?

What is a human embryo? Is it a human being or some other kind of being or does it not exist as a uniquely separate entity or being? Define what you mean by being.

In the interest of keeping this discussion productive, I'll ignore the part where you seem to think I endorse eugenics or that it's okay to kill people because they're not as developed as me. It's very, very simple: once you're born, you are no longer a human embryo. You are now part of PEOPLE. People all have intrinsic value and rights. I'm not using the term being at all, that's your language. Human Embryo. Person. That's it. 

I'm not trying to convince you that you made the wrong choice. I'm saying it's inconsistent with embryos = people. That's it. Go to your crazy talking points about how this ends up with lawlessness and ignore the facts of the matter all you like, but neither one of us really equates embryos with people. I'd save the baby. You'd save the baby. That's all there is to it. 

So you are saying then that human embryos = people? 

I never claimed a human embryo isn't a human (it's in the name) and that it isn't a "being." It's just not the same as a person.

You don't make the distinction, which to me is problematic because thereby you have legitimately killed 1000 people by saving 1 baby, and is at odds with your assertion that the second a sperm successfully fertilizes an egg, it's the exact same thing as a child. If they were, you wouldn't have to make all these other assumptions about how much pain it's capable of feeling, how it doesn't have parents who love it (it does have parents, and will have parents to love it if born), how sad everyone would be and so on and so forth. You would just say "It's better to save 1000 people than 1," and that would be consistent with 1000 embryos = 1000 people. It just strikes me as strange that you'd allow for circumstances for yourself to make the choice to kill 1000 people, but you wouldn't for someone who actually has to carry that child at risk to their own health and future well being. 

But, as I argued above, that could apply to any human being who is less developed as giving the more developed the "right" to kill it. And where does it stop? 

Once it's born and becomes a baby, not an embryo. Very simple. 

Why are you telling me what I believe because I only have the choice to save one or the other?

Because the answer you've given, save the baby, the only way that answer isn't monstrous is if you don't see the 1000 embryos as 1000 babies. 

Now, as for my decision to SAVE one over the other, I do it based on what I perceive is that the embryo does not feel the pain to the same extent the three-year-old does plus the emotional attachment of the parents and others being far greater. So, it is a decision base on perception and compassion. If you can convince me otherwise regarding the pain levels or the emotional attachment I would choose the other scenario.

At what point does the embryo feel enough pain to change your decision? You're basing your decision on compassion for a baby and its parents. Is there ever a compassionate stance for forcing a parent to carry to term the baby who will live in pain for two weeks then die and leave them with a lifetime of grief and guilt? We can all use emotional language, bro. You also say you're basing it on your PERCEPTION of the level of pain a third party, the embryo, feels. How much pain does a six week old embryo feel?

I've said three times now I do not see human embryos the same as I see human babies. They're just not.

Science supports that from conception a new, unique human being begins to grow and develop.

Science support that a new human EMBRYO begins to grow and develop, yes, no disagreement there. Yet here you are, totally comfortable dooming through your inaction 1000 people to save one crying baby. 

So, you are saying the embryos are not alive and not beings

No, read it again. I'm not saying they aren't alive. I'm saying they're not the same as a baby. So are you, because one baby > 1000 embryos. This is extremely simple, you've already demonstrated it. 

I'm pointing out the fault in your conviction: it's not really there if you're put into a difficult spot and forced to choose on it, you choose the baby not the embryo. Clearly if the embryos weren't embryos and were instead babies, you'd make a different choice: one three year old baby versus four crying newborns. I think you're probably a good person, my guess is you'd make a difficult choice and never forgive yourself, but I think you'd choose the four.

Yes, I would unless the three-year-old was my own.  There are always circumstances to weigh. 

This undercuts your entire argument: yes, there are circumstances to weigh. This is a pro-choice argument. Everything else is nonsense in your post: I don't see the embryos as people, as human beings, and neither do you. If you did, you'd be a monster for letting 1000 babies die to save 1. You're not. I'm not. THis is patently different from whatever weird killing scenario you're trying to make equivalent. Pro choce does not = THe Purge. Your last paragraph is talking about people, not embryos. 

I don't see the embryos as people, as human beings, and neither do you.

Human worth is a temporary mind state.

Am I inconsistent with my view that both have equal value by saving one and not the other?

To be more precise, it's not "one" or "the other". It's "one" or "one thousand." All of the reasoning about why you'd save the three year old is why we'd ALL save the three year old. We get that part, you didn't need to restate it. I'm not trying to find fault in a position with which I agree (save the actual baby), I'm pointing out that your decision is at odds with what your stated beliefs are: all embryos past fertilization are in fact every bit as alive and precious as the three year old. Yet you still saved 999 less lives. 

I object to the pigeon-holing as a fact that I don't think the 10 or 1000 embryos are as intrinsically valuable as any other life. Yes, I identify and relate more with the child yet I see both groups as deserving of life and protection. 

Well, okay, but you didn't save the box with 1000 times the intrinsic value of the baby.

This does not match, you see what I'm saying? There's no conditions on your pro life stance. It doesn't matter if you can't imagine the pain an embryo feels, it's still a baby to you and therefore it should be calculated exactly the same as the three year old, times 1000. You're not pro life only when the embryo has a parent already dedicated to loving it, tons of babies are born into loveless situations that will destroy their lives forever, every single day. Their parents don't care if they're dead. Can we now say "those aren't worth being pro life over" because this seems quite close to your "no one cares about those embryos enough yet" to make the box worth choosing.

 I am intentionally choosing to save a life in an undesirable situation when no matter what I do life will be lost.  

You're intentionally choosing to end the 999 lives, though, as a result. Wouldn't it make sense to minimize the loss? You're not doing that. It seems according to your own position, you're choosing something we'd call immoral: death for 1000 children for the sake of a single crying three year old. 

Again, I'm not trying to find fault in your CHOICE.

I'm pointing out the fault in your conviction: it's not really there if you're put into a difficult spot and forced to choose on it, you choose the baby not the embryo. Clearly if the embryos weren't embryos and were instead babies, you'd make a different choice: one three year old baby versus four crying newborns. I think you're probably a good person, my guess is you'd make a difficult choice and never forgive yourself, but I think you'd choose the four.

I would. You'd want to do the MOST good, right? But you chose not to save the most lives, according to your own position (all embryos = individual babies, therefore you save 1000 lives, or 200 lives or 10 instead of 1). 

I don't see embryos as human beings whose rights supersede the right to bodily autonomy, it's very simple for me.

Those embryos aren't lives, they're embryos.

And in my experience, there's a lot of hypocrisy from the pro life side, because most of the time they don't give two shits about babies that are born into bad circumstances, they just want them born for some reason. After that, sorry poor folks, you're on your own. Praise his name, I guess. 

YOUR UNGODLY EMBARRASSING QUOTE: “Since God is Spirit those who worship [Him] must worship in spirit and in truth and that is obtained via Jesus Christ, the way and the truth. “

You have Satanically stated ad infinitum that our serial killer Yahweh God is a spirit only, and without a physical body. How do you sleep at night with your outright biblical ignorance regarding your claim?!

There are many instances within the scriptures that show our Jewish Yahweh as a physical being, like the time Moses saw our God’s ass!!!  For obvious reasons you seemingly forgot about this godly happening, eh? DO NOT be embarrassed about the facts of our Yahweh, understood? The TRUE Christians like myself accept these biblical axioms and just move on.

Let me quickly address your bible ignorance, where ol’ Moses is chatting with our serial killer Yahweh “face to face” as one speaks to a friend. Moses asks Yahweh the following: “Show me your glory, I pray” (Exodus 33:8). But, Yahweh says; “You cannot see my face; for no one shall see me and live,” (Ex 33:20) A few verses before Moses talked “face to face” with Yahweh, but now Yahweh says Moses can’t see his face. Uh, okay.

Now in Ex 21:23 Yahweh says Moses can SEE HIM, partially that is, when He stated: “Then the Lord said, “There is a place near me where you may stand on a rock. When my glory passes by, I will put you in a cleft in the rock and cover you WITH MY HAND until I have passed by. Then I will REMOVE MY HAND and you will see my back; but my face must not be seen.” (Exodus 21;23)

Yahweh once again shows us that he is anthropomorphic by having a “HAND like humans. Anyway, Yahweh then covers Moses face with his HAND and removes said HAND when He passes by Moses! Yahweh did show Himself and was seen by Moses, but only showed his backside, which equals Yahweh’s ASS! If Yahweh had a “HAND” therefore he had an ASS as well!  GET IT? Huh?

Now, if you want to make a greater fool of yourself amongst the brethren of DEBATEART, try and spin doctor this narrative away with actual BIBLICAL vouchsafing instead of opinion dribble this time, understood? Jesus and I get so tired of addressing the most ignorant of His following in DebateArt.

YOUR STEPPING IN POO QUOTE, AGAIN: “It is through ignorance and misunderstanding of God's word that these alleged contradictions are charged. I tackled the first seven to give an example.”

GREAT, now to save what face you have left, you only have 293 left to Satanically decipher of the New Testament godly contradictions!  What are the next 7 are you going to bring forth?  Yahweh only knows that Ethang couldn’t defend our Yahweh God like our bible says to do, where at least you are “TRYING,” I repeat, “TRYING” to erroneously perform this ungodly act!

We are waiting, with NO EXCUSES, for you to continue in allegedly showing no contradictions is the said previous NT passages.  BEGIN.

YOUR CONTINIOUS RUNNING AWAY QUOTE: "Sir, you are being a hypocrite. I do not see you addressing the 200 alleged contradictions. Your previous post was also full of accusations that I find out of place for those who profess Yeshua/Jesus. I also find, from your disclosure in Post 50 that you have a weak understanding of Scripture. "

Oh my, you represent just another fake Christian here on DebateArt, where you seem to be proud of this fact.  I am not here to address the alleged contradictions, where that has been proven that you and the equally inept fake Christian, Ethang5, are to perform this act. Remember I alluded to the notion that to try and save face, that you and Ethang5 will want others to address the contradictions because you couldn't and remain intelligent looking in the aftermath? Yes? Maybe?  You have a lot more to address of the 200 from the NT, therefore, I suggest that you get back to this ASAP.

Relative to my post and your perceived notion that I have a weak "understanding" of scripture, you have yet to show me that this is true, other than to continue to RUN AWAY from my post #50. How many times will you run away? Don't you realize that others are watching you perform this childish and revealing act?  How long will it be before you have the nerve to address said post? Do you need permission from someone in your paganistic thinking church? Yes?

YOUR EMBARRASSING QUOTE ONCE AGAIN:"You are judging me for my profession of faith. I am willing to formally debate it with you and find out what your foundation truly rests upon. You apply one scriptural reference while ignoring another. You actually make a big song and dance of a verse of Scripture I used. I will address it later once I think about your post further. I am not impressed. "

With your comical and ungodly DIVISION of Christianity, being the ruse of Preterism, then your faith stands out as a "false prophet,"  whereas this notion should be revisited post haste to show you what you have swallowed, therefore being duped since you accepted this faith. Talk about not being impressed, your faith is as ungodly as if Satan was at its helm!

I don't need the latest ungodly decoder ring, or crystal ball to determine what our serial killer Yahweh/Jesus states within the scriptures in a literal form, barring some parables, etc., understood? Whereas you on the other hand, seemingly need further enlightenment to get out of bible contradictions, or to spin doctor away what are true Jesus represents.  Any further information, read my short biography in my Profile Page.

It is no wonder that Jesus has continually sent me to DebateArt to clean up the fake Christians like you that make this their home, praise!

...how can something without intent or purpose do anything?

The same way a hurricane can destroy a house.

If it refers to the latter, how can something create itself?

The same way your hypothetical god can create itself.

I believe the NOUMENON is the necessary ultimate standard for objectivity in origins and morality since IT meets the fixed and unchanging final reference point plus the universe is ITS creation, per LOGICAL NECESSITY.