PGA2.0

God destroyed wicked humans who would not repent and who were bent on violence and evil intentions.

According to the story your god murdered all of humanity sans eight, that is much worse than any claim you are making about others. He also murdered every living thing along with them, thinking people understand who is more evil, your god or Hitler. Hitler doesn't come close.

Genesis 6:5 Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 The Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.

Stalin, Hitler, Mao, were also wicked and caused a lot of death and destruction while they exploited and controlled their population through their socialist states.  

You expect me to believe the justification invented by the IPSS for your god's evil, puuuuuuhlease.

God destroyed wicked humans who would not repent and who were bent on violence and evil intentions.

Genesis 6:5 Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 The Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.

Stalin, Hitler, Mao, were also wicked and caused a lot of death and destruction while they exploited and controlled their population through their socialist states. 

Niether Stalin nor Mao were 'destroyed' and Hitler was more noted as a fascist than a socialist!

There is no compassion in an evolutionary process.

Only that brought to it by humans and that is what frightens you, death is death.

It just shows the grim reality

Yes it does, but it's only grim if you refuse to accept the reality. It is a fantastic reality filled with opportunity. Opportunity wasted on a god fear.

Good can mean whatever those in power want it to mean.

To you apparently but not to me. I determine what is good, I'm a human.

Nobody mentioned injustice you were discussing the greatest mass murders and completely ignoring your mythical god's mythical flood. Carry on.

You firmly believe that you have more right to every woman's body than they have, you do realise that that is insanity.

Scandinavia proves you wrong but don't let reality impinge on your indoctrinated fascism.

Although the unborn receives it nutrients and support system from the woman's environment, it has everything within itself to develop and grow what it is.

So therefore abortion will make no discernible difference to it and you have no argument, unless you're lying.

What does (^8 mean?

ALTERNATIVE to the JESUS-JEW-ALLAH God inventions ?    EASY.....

First....do the right thing.....= relegate the Middle East (human invented GODS) Jesus-Jew-Allah immediately to MYTHOLOGY where they can join 

with Zeus-Odin-Thoth-+++ to many GODS and so called "Divine Entities" to list...for entertainment purposes only.....

OH, by the way, .... what happened to all of the other GODS from 6000 years before JESUS showed up...and why isn't the JEW GOD of MOSES so 

pissed off at this nonsense he shows up himself and sets humanity straight ?  BECAUSE IT IS ALL A HOAX...THEATER....a JOKE....

So 6000 years of civilization is wiped out...the calendar is reset and this boy GOD "JESUS"  HOAX becomes the GOD of GODS !...this white jewish boy...SON of some  ILLITERATE JEWISH VIRGIN TRIBAL GIRL !  (what a joke) ...a baby human form GOD !   is the only one that matters !   

YES ! .....he is for those who are hypnotized and brainwashed to believe this HOAX stunt !   

"JESUS" ?.... creator of billions of GALAXIES and TRILLIONS of WORLDS going back in time 14 billion years...shows up  on EARTH ...14,000,000,000..... years later..... to help some lunatic illiterate tribe in a remote desert.... to get their act together and stop murdering each other in his name !    OK forget MYTHOLOGY just flush this CRAP down a TOILET and forget.......

God never takes an innocent human life without restoring it, or else He would not be just. And I can back up my claims with biblical text too. 

The difference between God and you or me is that if we take an innocent life we can't restore it. God can. All life is His to give and take. You only have a brief time span on earth. 

We do not have the right, under God, to take innocent life - Thou shalt not kill.

How it is wicked to take a life and restore it to a better place?

How do you get billions of fossils all over the earth? How does fossilization take place? If animals die on a plain do they fossilize? Usually catastrophic conditions like mudslides of animals encased in mud and pressurized produce fossils. What catastrophic conditions do you ascribe to fossilization?

There was no better place when the flood happened, right? The afterlife is a new testament concern. 

So it's never right to kill? Let's play a game then. You are a man with a gun. You notice a child walking into a maternity ward. You see this child is wearing a suicide bomb, and a crucifix necklace, so he might be Christian. You can kill him and save others. Do you?

If animals are buried under volcanic ash on a plain they can fossilize. You're getting out of your depth. Are you about to question the scientific methods of dating beyond carbon dating? I'll save you the time. Where did all the water go? 

Now, let's look at how reasonable us thinking Chance is why we are here. Can chance reason? Does it have intention? How does it sustain anything? Why should something happen, and continually happen, and why do we find meaning and reason for things in a chance universe? Why does every human being have some idea of morality and how do you make sense of morality from a material or secular humanist position? What does it matter that you exist and what will it matter when you are dead? What hope do you have to offer someone dying of cancer? Why should I be "good" as you define "good?" Why is your view of right and wrong actually "right" or is it? Who are you that I should believe your subjective, relative finite mindset and what you have to offer?

Chance is not an agent. It's math.

Also this is a red herring question, [1] no one says chance can reason  [2] nor does our ability to reason have anything to do with the truth value of a universe or existence by chance. It's not a why, either, it's a how. Chance doesn't sustain anything, but again no one says that either.

The laws of nature are wholly sufficient to sustain the universe, adding something else that's not demonstrable into it demands an explanation.

Morality has been answered repeatedly, it's evolutionarily hard wired into any social creature.

How is punishing the extreme wickedness described an injustice?

The story by necessity includes him drowning countless babies (I presume you're an anti-choice guy, so aren't they all innocent lives?)m and since animals can't murder (as you are fond of pointing out), then it stands to reason no single animal is wicked, yet this all powerful god, who theoretically could just have 'deleted' the bad actors, chose wanton destruction. I don't know how you see it another way. I mean provided I take your meaning correctly and you somehow believe a global flood covered the entire earth for 40 days. 

Ah, you recognize you are being childish! That is the first baby step! Congratulations!

Nice roast.

#180 --Again, it boils down to what the unborn is and the value is put on that life. That is the key to the debate.

0} keep your immoral, virtual rapist{?}, religous Trumpanzee nose *v* out of the pregnant womans bodily business, unless she gives you her consent.

Do you understand that? No. I didnt think.  I think were dealing with an inbreeding problem with PGA2.

1} unborn ergo human being that, has not taken its first IN-spiration,

Do you understand this distinction between unborn-inside pregnant woman ---see #2--  and born-out?  No? I didnt think so. Inbreeding problem is bigger concern for humanity.

2} fertilized-egg/zygote/embryo/fetus/baby is an organism of the pregnant woman....and let me repeat that for any inbred people reading this 

.....2a}fertilized egg/fetus/baby is an organism of the pregnant woman.... Now open your closed narrow mind for evidential  data to support my oppinion

"Therefore, it would appear that complex interactions take place between the oviductal epithelium and the embryo. 

......Human oviductal cells are known to secrete growth factors, cytokines, and other embryotropic factors (ETFs) that enhance and support the development of the pre-implantation embryos.59, 60 

.....Oviductal cells may also affect gene expression of the pre-implantation embryo"......

4} keep your immoral, virtual rapist{?}, quasi-religous, Trumpanzee nose *v* out of a pregnant womans bodily concerns, unless she gives you consent to stick your virutal rapist{?} nose *v* in there.  Do you understand? No?

Then let me repeat in case your apparrent inbreeding is holding back your intellectual development.

5} keep....your....immoral........virutal rapist{?} .....quasi-religious..... radical extremism..... and Trumpanzee..... nose *v*.......out of....pregnant womens....bodily business.......unless...they.....give....you....their.....consent....to stick...your.....nose *v*........there.

6} Do.....you....understand......any....of....the....previous.....comments......above?  

7} This is the umpteenth time Ive repeated them for you. I will not continue this ridiculous immature childs mind play with you much longer.

Then your god is a greater murderer than anyone. Thanks for that.

Socialist Scandinavian countries have a higher standard of living than anywhere else in the world, game cancelled for lack of opposition.

I see you've given up on your spurious and ignorant claims, it's time to run away again golfer. bahahahahahahaha

Just BTW they've been socialist for decades, I told you before get an education but you continue to get only propaganda.

And you can't refute my argument so you run off crying to mummy that I won't let your lies stand. Oh boo hoo.

North Korea, or China, or Russia, or Cuba, or Venezuela?

You've had these countries pegged as communist for years, as a godist I understand your desperate need to keep moving the goalposts but I'll just continue to replace them where they belong BECAUSE they make your arguments look stupid.

So this separate human body can be removed from the woman's body without detriment then what is your argument. 

No objection if that were the case. 

It must be the case given your definition that this group of cells is a separate living human being, separate living humans beings do not require the support of the internal functions of another human being. Hence abortion will have no effect on your mythicak definition.

I didn't read that propaganda but I did see the word Nordic used which tells me that the author is pig ignorant or a pathetic liar or both I lob for the latter. Refute the FACT that the socialist Scandinavian countries have a better lifestyle than anywhere else in the world.

Right so you can't refute the fact that the Scandinavian countries are so much better than yours and the yanks so you post some meaningless irrelevant twaddle that I didn't read, stick to the subject.

As opposed to what - atheism? So far the 20th-century has been the bloodiest on human record. Look at the ideologies of those who perpetrated the worst inhumanity during that century. They were secular humanists or those who did not live according to a Christian standard. 

You seem to have forgotten your mythical flood.

So this separate human body can be removed from the woman's body without detriment then what is your argument.

In order for you to get to this growth you must first reject the woman's right to bodily autonomy, who gives you that right?

Socialism, as we see it around the world, exploits people

Do you mean like the Scandinavian countries who all have a higher standard of living than any other country. Get an education.

Does the Woman have the Right to Choose Whether or not the Unborn Lives?

As I keep telling you, you don't address the topic at all.

The woman has bodily autonomy first and foremost, there is no fetus without the woman therefore her rights are paramount, you wanting 50% of the human population to be subservient to you is just mental masturbation.

"GOD" a human invention....used to HYPNOTIZE and abuse other humans into slavery and servitude of

some imbecile who plays the character...

these pathetic creatures are mentally deranged and use their "GOD" like a toy to punish all who do not

accept the absurdity of their stories....like a young child attempting to convince everyone that Santa

Claus is real....the child does not have the ability to think and reason critically...mommy and daddy 

say santa is REAL ! ....and they can be trusted ? 

then at some point in time the child no longer BELIEVES the story.....and learns that just because others

BELIEVE in something it does not mean they have to.....

....This is the TRUTH of these horrifically OBSOLETE and IDIOTIC "GOD" inventions..they are like the 

santa Clause construct .....they are nothing more than a metaphor .......to be used as an example for 'learning.

But the REAL TRUTH is these "GOD" constructs are used as tools of DECEPTION...used to HYPNOTIZE

weak minded humans (like the child) into servitude and slavery of the Parasite Vampire that got between 

their ears...and planted a CANCER of the neural network....ultimately eating away the curiosity and desire

to explore and discover with an open mind ....

Reduced to a thoughtless and brainwashed slave drone...the child/adult is now under the spell of some

Parasite Vampire that sucks the energy from their being... leaving them as an empty shell in human form... 

paralyzed and convinced they are hopeless born sinning criminals....who must be punished and suffer

for even existing....both in life and death....

Middle east "GOD" Jew-Jesus-Allah...the greatest disgrace ever invented by humans for power and control

candy !

Then as it gets later in the evening  the child begins to doze off ...eventually retiring for the evening in 

anticipation of the new day to come .......and it comes !  

and under the tree are GIFTS !   

the same construct is used for the JESUS HOAX....= waste a lifetime praying, begging like a dog for salvation.

....YOU are a "born Sinner" a criminal ...the fact that you exist is a disgrace....you must repent-confess-surrender

your mind and life to servitude.....ask not...think not..OBEY..and do as you are told....condemn all who do not accept

your "GOD" they are the enemy.....and must be punished.....

Go now to ISRAEL and demand that all convert and OBEY the CHURCH......the Church is "GOD"   

the JEWS and MUSLIMS must be condemned....they follow a false "GOD" go save them !   

#147 It is something most of us do when others trash us.

Trash talk?

1} your immoral religous fundamentalist -- truth ---,

2} your immoral Trumpanzee fundamentalist --- truth---,

3} your immorally stick your nose *v* into any  and all  pregnant womens body without their consent, --truth---,

4} #4 above is a virtual rapist{?}---truth---,

5} people like you should be Locked Away from a moral civilized society ---truth---.

Golden Rule Variations

The golden rule --do unto others as you would have them doonto you---- has

a common variation in many countries and religions. I wondered if there

were any other rules with such commonality e.g, 

Is there a silver rule also? "Seek fair and just resolution with

compassion and empathy for those who violate the laws and moral codes of

humanity or its distinct tribes. "

Perhaps a wooden rule? Forgiveness by God is instantaneous, forgiveness

by humans takes time.

Or the bone rule? Eye for eye and toothe for a tooth. [im not sure if

any animals other than humans practice this concept]

Molecular rule? "Share not with your cousin what you would not have

them share with you."

Quantum rule? "Know that the uncertainty of mind, being common to all

humans, does not neccessitate chaos."

Space-time Rule? ---Pee-Here-Now is rendition of Ram Dass’sBe Here Now 

#146 Who are they to decide?

Who are YOU to decide what a pregnant woman does with her body? Do you understand that? No? I didnt think so.

Keep your virtual rapist"?} immoral nose *v* out of womans body.

#142 That is what you are doing, YOU are devaluing human life.

1} NOT and independent/individual human being that has been born-out,

2} taken its first IN-spiration to become and actuall ---not virtural--- viable independent/individual human being.

3} even in cases of some independent/individsuals adult or not, if that individual is not viable on its own then relatives ex spouse can have the bioglogical life terminated.

...3a} your immoral attitude will not allow termination of human being irrepsective of all other considerations, begining with;

........3b} fertilized egg > zygote > attached to uterus > etc > born-out  and viable individual/independent breathing, think and living a life that relatives{ spouse } are legality left to decide wether that life is worthy to live on irrresepective of time, effort costs etc.

You lack moral and intellectual integrity because your a immoral relgious fundamentalist Trumpanzee who also lacks intellectual integrity. DO you understand any of the previous? NO? I didnt think so :--(

#142 It is in her body but it is a separate body connected to the woman.

1} Yes the fertilized egg{ zygote } fetus/baby etc is in her body, so when are you going to get the truth - fact that you are an immoral virtual rapist{?} for sticking your nose *v* into the woman bodily business? Not?

2} it is organ of the woman that is nourished by pregnants womans reproductive organs,

3} is not seperate independent/individual human being, and,

4{ has not been born-out of pregnant woman,

5} has not taken its first IN-spiration, and,

6} is not a viable independent/individual human being, until, at minimum has taken its first IN-spiration.

Do you understand any of the previous? No? Typical of radical religous and Trumpanzee fundamentists.

None of you have moral or intellectual integrity in these regards specifically.   SO once again take a hike and dont come back until you address my comments as stated, with moral, rational logical common sense integrity/ Do you understand? No? I didnt think so.

#142 Although it exists in the woman's body that should not give her the right to kill another human being.

Yes it does give her the moral and legal rights to kill a human being who is not;

1} and independent/individual, that

...1a} has taken its first IN-spiration of oxygen/breath,

...2a} is inside the womans body,

........2b} nourished by and dependent on the specific body functions of womans reproductive organs ergo an orgnasim of the pregnant woman  until,

..........2c} the fetus/baby has been born-out{ birth } and has taken its first IN-spiration.

So keep your immoral friggin virtual rapist{? } nose.....[Delete for emotionally charged content and for not addressing the issue but instead using language to attack me]

I take a pragmatic view - there will aways be cases where a woman wants to terminate a pregnancy.  Where they are illegal, a black market will spring up.   

My intuition is that early abortions are not really problematic but late abortions are highly problematic from a moral point of view!   I am very uncomfortable with very late abortions and I would support making it mandatory to bring a foetus to term beyond some point, say 32 or 28 weeks (I'm not an ebryologist to be precise about it!).  That is not incompatible with my support of abortion on demand for early abortion!

Should you trash talk mustardness back?

...no morally better than the Nazis in their devaluation and dehumanization of human life. The reason I say this is because they [nazis], like the pro-life crowd, do not treat all human beings as intrinsically equal but discriminate,

I think you meant pro-choice crowd, not pro-life crowd?

The question is whether a foetus is 'intrinsically equal' to a human being.   I don't think there is one answer to that - it depends on what 'equality' means.   When we say 'all men are created equal' we don't mean all men are physically identical; in that context 'equal' was probably meant to mean all men should have the same social and political rights. 

Whether a foetus has an equal right to life as as a human after their birth is not a matter of fact but a matter of human choice.         

Do not misrepresent me. I have discussed this issue many times. You do not have the right to kill someone to guard your bodily autonomy, except in self-defense. Likewise, the woman should not have the legal right to do this either, unless she will lose her life by continuing the pregnancy. 

You have never discussed the issue, which is all women's right to bodily autonomy. Your fantasy of murder is just an excuse for the ridiculous religious beliefs inculcated into you by the IPSS, just superstitious claptrap.

The issue is not the woman's bodily autonomy 

That is completely the issue, your pathetic misogynist beliefs are just that.

The fertilized egg is floating down the fallopian tube to the uterus where it will attach to the lining. So what?

Please use your moral integrity checker 

It is truth - fact that it is,

1} produced by woman  and a gift from the man,

2} only exists inside the woman. and she has property rights to what is inside your body so keep your friggin nose *v* out of her body business as this virtual rape{?} by you and other immoral Trumpanzees,

It is no longer the woman's body but the start of a new growing body within itself.

3} Yes it is intimate part of the womans body, its processes and belongs to the woman, truth - fact, get over it and keep you friggin virtual rape nose *v* out of her body business,

.........."Therefore, it would appear that complex interactions take place between the oviductal epithelium and the embryo. Human oviductal cells are known to secrete growth factors, cytokines, and other embryotropic factors (ETFs) that enhance and support the development of the pre-implantation embryos.59, 60 Oviductal cells may also affect gene expression of the pre-implantation embryo".......

Since fertilization, it is different than before. It now contains both chromosomes from the male and female. It is now its own entity, with a different DNA code, different blood, different genetic make-up. This zygote is a unique and separate individual human being.

Unique human being that is never seperate from the woman.  It is in the womans body the whole time of its development stages/phases and nourished by the woman in fallopian tubes even before implanation in uterus, so keep your friggin nose *v* out of the pregnant womans body business as that is virtual rape{/} by you all other immoral Trumpanzees.

presenting minimal facts and not addressing the issue at hand,

This is you. You have never addressed the issue at hand which is the right of a woman to her bodily autonomy.

Thank God in #127 you at least nor refuting the same facts - truths ive presented to you over and over.  Your beging to realize you have nothing of significant truth - fact to offer regardings pregnant women. YAY!   

Read my lips text and do not come back to talk to me until you can stop making False statments/commnets/etc and address myh comments specifically as stated.

This is third time youve done this. Please learn how to use rational, logical common sense along with truth - facts and stop sticking your nose *v* { virtural rape? } into a pregnant womans body business.

The egg or fertilized egg are both part{ attached to the mother } except for brief time{ 24hrs? } the fertilized egg falls through the fallopian tube yet  is stillintimate{  inside woman } part of the pregnant womans body  business and you,  as an immoral  Trumpanzee,

1} keep trying to stick your immoral nose *v* { virtual rape?  is immoral } into the pregnant womans body business as is immoral Trumpanzee behaviour of the following,

2}  grabbing womens _____y { vagina } without their consent--- as idio-ump likes to do-- and his Trumpanzees support and encouraged this immoral behaviour. Sad :--( lack of moral integrity at best, at worst.........{ ? }

This is just two of the reasons  why Trumpanzees need to be Locked Away!

Lock Trumpanzees Away! from moral civilized humanity

I am a right wing capitalist.  However, I'm seeing how you respond to the following comment:

You're against socialism as am I, but is it the Christian thing to do?  Jesus said to sell all you have and to give to the poor(https://biblehub.com/luke/18-22.htm). 

The egg is not the same thing as part of the mother once fertilization happens

False.  Read my lips text and do not come back to tale to me until you can stop making False staments/commnets/etc.  This is third time youve done this. Please learn how to use rational, logical common sense along with truth - facts and stop sticking your nose *v* { virtural rape? } into a pregnant womans body business.

The egg or fertilized egg are both part{ attached to the mother } except for brief time{ 24hrs? } the fertilized egg falls through the fallopian tube yet  is stillintimiate{  inside woman } part of the pregnant womans body  business and you as a  Trunpanzee,

1} keep trying to stick your immoral nose *v* { virtual rape? is immoral } into the pregnant womans body business as is immoral Trumpanzee behaviour of the following,

2} just as grabbing womens _____y { vagina } without their consent--- as idio-ump likes to do-- and his Trumpanzees support and encouraged this immoral behaviour. Sad :--( lack of moral integrity at best, at worst.........{ ? }

This is just two of the reaons  why Trumpanzees need to be Locked Away!

Lock Trumpanzees Away! from moral civilized humanity

Lock Trumpanzees Away! from moral civilized humnanity

I support him.