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@Sir.Lancelot
It's like a rap battle. You are supposed to be a dick to your opponent. The normal code of conduct does not apply to them
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It's pointless. It costs 75 a week for the kid and 150 a week for adults. Add me to her plan and it goes up 150 a week . That is what the plan costs.
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@Greyparrot
Those are some pretty shocking increases. People are literally going to end up dead because of Obamacare pricing them out of plans
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@TheUnderdog
That is stupid
Tranny - a term transexuals made as a shorthand way to describe themselves
Retardes- a medical term for mentally challenged
F**got and n**ger - actual derogatory terms.
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Well Republicans said you didn’t deserve a break. $600/mo for a family plan? Who is your employer? Do you take insulin? Do you have any extended family members who take insulin?
Prior to FDR capping wages and forcing employees to create health insurance programs my understanding is that medical care was significantly more affordable.
It's not a family plan my wife's insurance takes care of the kid. I am not telling you who my employer is. I don't take insulin. Like I said, I am healthy. Democrats. When George Bush was in office I paid less than this in a month and got the same type of care.
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I pay $150 a week for health insurance and I haven't been to a doctor in years. I don't feel like health costs went down with Biden
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@badger
If you provide statistics it is fine. For example statistics show that a disproportionate amount of gays were molested as children, which gives some weight to that theory
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Price caps like Venezuela. I wonder how that will play out.
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@YouFound_Lxam
It would depend on the 5 reasons. Here is 5 acceptable reasons vs unacceptable the first group being borderline the second group being over the line
Borderline
1. It would reduce abortions as African Americans are disproportionately being aborted.
2. Doing so would reduce the crime rate followed by stats
3. It would make the world a better place because less people would be marginalized
4. Sterilizing ourselves would be some sort of John Galt like exercise that punishes people who don't appreciate us.
5. It would help us focus on our present problems rather than having another generation to pass those problems onto. Perhaps we reverse the sterilizing once we commit to achieving a set of goals
Over the line
1. Blacks smell bad (followed by no evidence)
2. Blacks are ugly so society would be prettier
3. It's easier than deporting then all
4. Black people should not be considered human (followed by zero arguments as to why
5. God has said to destroy their seed (followed by zero bible verses)
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We are long overdue on a guide for interpreting the code of conduct on the site. A link to the code of conduct can found here https://info.debateart.com/terms-of-service/rules . This guide is intended to guide the site on a reasonable interpretation of the rules, so misunderstandings can be avoided in the future. It is also intended to help moderators remain consistent and show consistency in moderating policy.
I will be skipping the parts least up for interpretation.
User Accounts
"You may not use hateful, harassing, or obscene language or imagery in your username or avatar."
No nude pics unless they are artistic, no words in the avatar image such as "Wylted is a cuck" as a recent example. That would also fall under harassing language as the avatar or username was directed at a specific user, I would also advise against avatars that contain gruesome imagery such as dismembered bodies or fecal matter.
Hateful language would include clear racial slurs not borderline cases, derogatory and provably untrue statements such as "All white people are racist" or "Gypsy killer" or "Jews killedJesus" are forbidden, though defending those beliefs in a debate or by offering premises in threads that defend those positions are fine. We are not looking to thought police you, we are looking to disprove you here.
Authenticity
"Extravagant lies, not to be confused with mere context issues, may rise to the level of constituting impersonation"
extravagant lies, would constitute situations such as where you may claim to be an actual doctor and start giving dangerous medical advice. Perhaps it would be a situation where you are pretending to have inside information you don't possess, such as being a political aide and claiming that a nuke is about to hit the United States in 3 hours. These sorts of things are what is intended by the extravagant lie clause and it is not intended to be used as an excuse for other situations that don't fall neatly into the COC. For those situations I would encourage mods to either alter the COC or post "other" as the reasoning for the ban and give context.
Harassment
"You may not threaten or promote violence against any person or persons, barring hyperbole against public figures (e.g., “all politicians should be shot”). Advocacy in favor of terrorism and/or violent extremism, especially as related to hate groups as generally defined by the SPLC, is likewise prohibited."
The SPLC statement should be ignored, it is a link to an FAQ about hate groups with no definition offered, and clearly advocating the views of hate groups is acceptable. The very nature of a debate site is we are looking for a wide range of views and people to debate.
This sentence is properly interpreted to mean you are not to advocate for terrorist actions. No advising people to bomb buildings, though a debate explaining why it is a acceptable to take such actions is fine and hopefully allowing that talks somebody off an edge one day. You are not to advocate for extremist violence though if you are a terrorist or a violent extremist you are welcome to debate your views. Though not explicitly stated, promoting extremism through recruitment or advertising is not acceptable.
"You may not promote or encourage suicide or self harm."
Again this is not to be taken to mean you can't advocate for euthanasia. It means you can't go around encouraging individuals or groups to kill themselves. A debate entitle "The user known as X should kill himself" would also be off the table as well. If you are suicidal, we will not consider it a promotion of suicide to reach out on the site for help.
"You may not share any content from private messages, without the consent of the respective authors; or with moderator approval (such as for dispute resolution)."
There has been some misunderstanding here as well. Essentially no copy and pasting of a PM or sharing screenshots. Statements such as bringing up the rough outline of what was talked about in a PM is fine, this occurs all the time on the site in the mafia games for example, but please use good judgement and allow people to trust that they can communicate privately with you.
Objectionable Content
"Unwarranted systemic vulgarity and invectives, which may include off topic personal attacks and/or hate speech, are subject to disciplinary actions."
We are all adults here or people mature enough to handle a bit of vulgarity. The hate speech here isn't about thought policing. It is specifically about group identified attacks. Here is 3 examples of acceptable topics that are close to being considered hate speech, followed by 3 that would be considered hate speech.
borderline
- The holocaust didn't happen or was over exaggerated
- 5 reasons White people should be sterilized
- Black people commit a disproportionate amount of crime
hate speech
- black's should be exterminated
- Chinks need to stop spreading the flu
- Native American's got what they deserved with small pox
I will say what is covered in this rule is personal attacks. I did plan on seeing if I can work with the mods to cut that down because I think the COC would make personal attacks a bannable offense, but that clearly would mean personal attacks that are considered ad hominem.
An example of an ad hominem attack would be something such as "homo's can't speak intelligently on abortion". A similar statement which is not an ad hominem would be "homos should not speak about abortion because their opinions are usually going to be informed by Ivory tower thinking". Both statements are fallacious but only one qualifies as a personal attack.
In general most insults that are backed by stated premises are usually okay. Debaters by their very nature are very logical and expose their ideals to debate because they seek self improvement. We have thick skin, and will often use the hard truth to improve ourselves or explain to you why your insult was stupid.
In general debates can get heated and the line between what will get you banned can occasionally bend to allow for heated exchanges, but the rules will not be allowed to bend too far or too often.
Conclusion
The rest of the COC touches on points irrelevant to the rules about enforcement. If you are curious about how enforcement works please click the link at top, and read through the entire COC.
The moderation team took no part in creating this document, but this is the interpretation of the COC, I find to be correct and that I am urging the moderation team to use the interpretation. They seem to be already doing this to a large extent, but the community should see this interpretation if they have a hard time comprehending the rules.
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why would attacking statements you make be an attack on you? Is this just you looking to enforce wrong think?
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You do not have the greenlight to do that, and I wouldn't lean on your own poor understanding of the COC as you have repeatedly shown you can't comprehend it
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poly can continually insult people and talking about pedophilia with her own kids and her being banned is somehow a tragedy, God forbid sir.lancelot make a wizard of Oz joke. The wizard of oz joke is going too far
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@RationalMadman
Didnt ask you.
seriously though. Are you trolling or do you just legitimately think something in the thread lancelot said somehow is unacceptable?
If you are not trolling, please see a therapist. It is legitimately that serious because nobody who is sane would think that.
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One is a joke another is a criticism of your take. Neither rise to the level of violating the COC and you are either trolling by pretending you think so or just really out of touch with common sense
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I have a few concerns about open borders. Here is one of many. We are going to have a large segment of the population replaced by computers. This is going to require us to have a basic minimum income. An open border policy would make a basic minimum income an economic disaster
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@Double_R
Aren’t you supposed to be the president of this site?
It's not going to cause me to drop my sense of humor.
Here is how I helped poly for those interested.
1. I blasted Barney in the PM and simultaneously said he was in the worst position to objectively judge whether she should be banned. I asked for her ban to be removed.
It was a mistake on my part to do so, not only because my request lacked tact it also came from a place of ignorance, assuming I knew better than Barney. My ignorance was uncalled for as well as the arrogance.
Once unbanned she embarrassed my and pissed on my efforts to help her and simultaneously blocked me from PMing her to see what else I could do to help. I think she is funny and has a unique take on the site and it's worth getting her take on a site dominated by white males. I believe we need more than a variety of opinions. In order to get pick to come down from their ivory towers we need a diversity of backgrounds.
I believe poly was a woman and she never said so but I believe a person of color. Two things we need more of around here. I don't want to have threads about abortion where both the pro life and pro choice side are being argued with no contribution from women or the marginalized communities that disproportionately are having abortions. Those experiences are valuable to the future policy makers on the site. So believe me when I say I wanted her here.
2. I advocated for PM interactions with poly and a restraining order so her main issue could be resolved without losing her. Her most typical response to a dialogue was "fuck you"
she also apparently could not or did not want to stop engaging with **redacted**. So that road was not an option.
3. I talked to her in PM once I was unblocked. I get past here defensive wall and she seemed like a really sweet person, however when asking her for suggestions on what to do to help her with her situation she immediately changed subjects. Here is a list of things she was open to suggest but failed to do
1. Force redacted to apologize
2. Ban redacted
3. Give poly $200
4. Create new modding policies to prevent whatever got her mad from happening in the future
5. Set up a free phone line with a psychologist that can help users navigate emotional distress in a more positive way.
Maybe you can think of more suggestions, but I got zero suggestions realistic or not. While the only seemingly realistic solution was number 4, I was open to try anything or at least work with what she told me to try and come up with some solution.
My impression from the subject change is that she had more fun fucking with **redacted*** than she did remaining on the site without the ability to do so.
Expecting me not to edge lord or to drop my sense of humor isn't going to happen. I put my 3 phase plan up in my first presidential update and I am only concerned about behaving in ways to complete phase one at the moment.
It is a living plan so your contribution to it is welcome and it has already become more complex than what I originally wrote down. I will post a doc in my profile of the living document once it is more organized but the original plan is up.
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Updates are not going to be weekly. They are going to be sporadic. I wanted to post one this previous weekend but I knew I needed to close out a few things first.
I am not going to be hosting a tournament at the moment or doing any events. I don't have time to do that and finish my phase one assignments which must be complete prior to April
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RM, I am going to be forced to ignore you from here on out. You just don't know what you are talking about. You don't have access to PMs between me and poly or between me and the users that she interacts with and you don't have access to the mod chats. You are completely in the dark. You don't know if I made a large effort to avoid that, a small effort or none at all. You don't know what strategies I did use to avoid that situation or if I used any strategies at all. You are just flailing in the dark.
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@thett3
That is why I tempered back my interactions with him. He makes stupid posts and misses the point but occasionally slips and shows a good understanding of a few niche subjects he has a difficult time I guess refraining from talking about but once he catches himself he acts like an idiot with those subjects as well
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@thett3
He said don't punch down but nearly every post he makes about me is talking shit about me being poor, southern or uneducated
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Fuck you too
This, 100% this. I have never agreed so much in my life
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@ILikePie5
I appreciate that. I have been dealing with all types of woke shit here.
On the mirrors at work it has statements like
"Your body is perfect how it is"
Implying that being a lard ass is healthy I guess
"Love your body it is your permanent home"
Implying no afterlife and pushing atheism
Signs in the break room saying "police violence against blacks must stop"
Implying cops are generally racist
And today at the morning media we had African American history month trivia and there was a question about black cowboys and a few blacks were yelling
"Those were the real cowboys"
I guess implying white cowboys didn't exist or weren't as relevant or something.
They just took down a tree that showed a bunch of facts about black history because someone said it triggered them because most lynchings were of black people. An obviously false statement that went unchallenged
On the mirrors at work it has statements like
"Your body is perfect how it is"
Implying that being a lard ass is healthy I guess
"Love your body it is your permanent home"
Implying no afterlife and pushing atheism
Signs in the break room saying "police violence against blacks must stop"
Implying cops are generally racist
And today at the morning media we had African American history month trivia and there was a question about black cowboys and a few blacks were yelling
"Those were the real cowboys"
I guess implying white cowboys didn't exist or weren't as relevant or something.
They just took down a tree that showed a bunch of facts about black history because someone said it triggered them because most lynchings were of black people. An obviously false statement that went unchallenged
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@ILikePie5
You’d be surprised
I would have went with a your momma joke there. You are much classier than me
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@Mharman
I thought you telling supa to bus you was silly. It definitely could have been a town slip, I was exaggerating in the op. Plus even if it was a scum slip, there was no reason to think anybody noticed.
Town members will often lynch town reads to help progress the game. It means nothing
Town members will often lynch town reads to help progress the game. It means nothing
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@ILikePie5
Your story was almost believable up until the part where you mentioned you get laid
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Mafia wins
Town
Badger- vanilla
Best.korea- Doctor
Earth- cop
Pie- vanilla
Austin-vanilla
Lunatic-vanilla
Mafia
4. Mharman- goon
5. Supadudz- goon
Good job scum it was supposed to be a simple follow the cop type of game but BK claimed early. I am not sure what Pie was thinking at the end, even fucking up by fake claiming watcher, you still have mharman as practically confirmed scum and pretending like you saw lunatic carry out the NK was silly
Mafia MVP was ILikePie5
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@Intelligence_06
- you hate our government.
Not really. It's just it was stolen by the CCP who hate China. You either love china or love the CCP, there literally is no in-between
I can provide proof. I will start a thread later but the country could be the most prosperous on earth and the most powerful if they actually loved their people.
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@Greyparrot
That certainly would be worse, but I it doesn't help me to annoy the shit out of intelligence.
Also on another note, you should read the book that every Chinese child is forced to read, not the one by mao which is actually good, but the one that attempts to make the current leader sound like a god
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@Intelligence_06
And that is partially why I don't vote you. Merely thinking so has revealed that you, like Zenz, despite trying to speak about China has never actually tried to live in it or understand how China works. You don't care about China. You just care about yourself.
My statement is 100% fact. You either hate china or hate the CCP. There is zero middle ground there. If the CCP is anti-china then naturally not being strongly anti-ccp is being anti-china.
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@TheUnderdog
If balloons are out, what do you want to wear over?
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Dead
Town
Badger- vanilla
Best.korea- Doctor
Earth- cop
Alive
3. Pie
4. Mharman
5. Supadudz
6. Austin
7. Lunatic
With 5 people alive it takes 3 votes to lynch. DP ends in approximately 72 hours
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I’ve been to Columbus, Cleveland, Cincinnati. Ive had their famous Skyline chili 5 Way. Ohio is dying. Their downtowns are dying. You can just sense the fear in the middle class whites in that state, they have status anxiety. They are falling out of the middle class and their children will have to leave the state to find a future.
Not sure why you are also gloating about white people being scared. Maybe you are a racist non white or a racist white who is projecting but either way you are a racist
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@Sidewalker
Many rears ago I lived in Powell, on a quiet night you could hear zoo animals from the back yard.
Sounds beautiful.
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@Greyparrot
If you tell me an American city is not a shithole, I can pretty well guess their political party. Look at this idiot. He is literally trying to blame republican governors for what is happening in blue cities that basically ignore their state government.
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Changing the subject. You said Columbus is falling apart. I pointed out it wasn't and now instead of admitting you are wrong, you are being a retard and asking me if the mayor is a democrat. Yes he is a democrat just like the mayor of Cincinnati and Cleveland. Great job Democrat's of not destroying every city you touch or at least taking so long to do it that it doesn't affect me yet.
Now why are you changing the subject and unable to admit you were wrong about one tiny detail?
Remember what you said in post #151?
Now why are you changing the subject and unable to admit you were wrong about one tiny detail?
Remember what you said in post #151?
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You said Columbus was also. Why not just admit you got one city wrong instead of doubling down like a retard?
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Columbus is growing thanks to government
Regardless of why, you stated it was dying. You were wrong. Just apologize and try to be less stupid. Maybe take nootropics or something
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@Sidewalker
You sound like a proud boy
I have moves around a lot and have job hunted in multiple cities. It's legitimately a good market. I do consider myself a North Carolina boy though, so no loyalty to Columbus.
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That is not true and I doubt you have been to Columbus if you think that. Everyone is hiring, they offer good salaries and lots of people with plenty of cash walking around. Warehouse jobs in Amazon, Sears, Victoria secret and many other places surround Columbus and offer people like $25 an hour just for existing in a city that is incredibly cheap to live in. I know you'll mock $25 an hour but unskilled workers in other major cities like Philadelphia struggle to find $12 an hour and housing is more expensive in other cities as well.
I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt of having a 3 digit IQ. It has to be 2 digits thougy
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It is a blue city, but it isn't so bad. Great economy. Glad to know that your measure of good money is anything that makes less than you is poor but anyone who makes equal or more is doing well for themselves
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The wife's sister is apparently some sort of big wig in the music industry and was at the award show, so I was forced to watch the entire thing. I almost committed suicide
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