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@Greyparrot
name calling is not an argument its a sign you dont have an argument
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i doubt theyd let a reprobate like me in thats why Switzerland is so nice
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People think the nation would collapse if lIBERALS ran the show, but in Canada over the last 100 years liberals have ruled for abut 70 of those 100, look at the amazing job they did!
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@Greyparrot
no one will trust us again isolationism in ww2 was thinly veiled anti semitism are you an anti semite?
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@bmdrocks21
they seem pretty informed in sweden https://www.eschoolnews.com/2015/06/18/scandinavian-schools-291/
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switzerland is funny it is conservative in some ways classical liberal in others and down right progressiv in others if i had to pick a conservative nation i would go with switzerland if theyd let me in
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@Dr.Franklin
i would hope for this scenario to be honest and se no reason why this is not realistic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissolution_of_Czechoslovakia
The Dissolution of Czechoslovakia (Czech: Rozdělení Československa, Slovak: Rozdelenie Česko-Slovenska), which took effect on 1 January 1993, was an event that saw the self-determined split of the federal republic of Czechoslovakia into the independent countries of the Czech Republic and Slovakia. These entities had arisen before as the Czech Socialist Republic and the Slovak Socialist Republic in 1969 within the framework of a federal republic.
It is sometimes known as the Velvet Divorce, a reference to the bloodless Velvet Revolution of 1989 that led to the end of the rule of the Communist Party of Czechoslovakia and the restoration of a capitalist state in the country.
It is sometimes known as the Velvet Divorce, a reference to the bloodless Velvet Revolution of 1989 that led to the end of the rule of the Communist Party of Czechoslovakia and the restoration of a capitalist state in the country.
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@Dr.Franklin
again i'm sure al this can be avioded as long as each state is allowed to go it own way you sugest that every country will go to war with othe rcounties, do you have onc ounce of proof that would hapen i think not? otehr than the free state of jones the confedracy pretty much stayed togther till we kicked its ass, the only reason i was gainst the seccesion was slavery, millions of blacks were in chains that isseu superceded the self determination issue
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@Dr.Franklin
go for it but the west coast decides how that works the left get the whole west coast you mess with that? and its war, and ethnic cleansing time
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@Dr.Franklin
maybe, or maybe it would be like europe and the eu
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@Dr.Franklin
hopefully they could work that out peacefully because the federal government? doesnt exist any more and the west coast is it own place, you deal with your own problem now and leave us be
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i vote but boy he has a cute wife
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Brandenburg v. Ohio, 395 U.S. 444 (1969), was a landmark United States Supreme Court case, interpreting the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.[1] The Court held that government cannot punish inflammatory speech unless that speech is "directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action."[2][3]:702 Specifically, the Court struck down Ohio's criminal syndicalism statute, because that statute broadly prohibited the mere advocacy of violence. In the process, Whitney v. California (1927)[4] was explicitly overruled, and doubt was cast on Schenck v. United States (1919),[5] Abrams v. United States (1919),[6] Gitlow v. New York (1925)[7], and Dennis v. United States (1951).[8]
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@Dr.Franklin
i think ideally every state would be allowed to do as it pleased once the usa is dissolved states would be free to form new confederations according to the wishes of their citizens un coerced
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if there was some cataclism and the usa was totally unlivable which left wing place would you prefer or be able to tolerate? https://www.tnp.no/norway/panorama/4925-norway-is-the-worlds-most-socially-progressive-country its cold but i could stand norway which lefty place would you pick if you had to?
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@HistoryBuff
why? they are proobably paid actors like me
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@Dr.Franklin
i do losers n his letter, Washington wrote, “I am wearied to death all day with a variety of perplexing circumstances, disturbed at the conduct of the militia, whose behavior and want of discipline has done great injury to the other troops, who never had officers, except in a few instances, worth the bread they eat.” Washington added, “In confidence I tell you that I never was in such an unhappy, divided state since I was born.” https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/washington-blames-militia-for-problems https://www.mountvernon.org/library/digitalhistory/digital-encyclopedia/article/whiskey-rebellion/ the blue states have all the money goober we can buy an army of mercs
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then we will rule over you
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the rich astates with all the people are going to have to put the red states under martial law if you wont allow secession, its up to you
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i think if california got a hold of some nukes we could negotiate a way out of this mess
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@HistoryBuff
how do you know what you've been told is true, you believe the American media then?
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its a lot more fun to stay here and bother you and after all its what the russians pay me for
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@Imabench
alsaka and hawaii do okay
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Are we a democracy? really trump lost the popular vote by 3 million yet his orange corrupt ass sits in the white house, we respect human rights? tell that to the dozens of black families who will wake up tommorrow minus a family member some white cop deided to shoot on a whim , do i lke the fact that china is undemocratic and violate human rights? not really, but who doesnt? we arent a democracy we are about to go into civil war China maintians core socialist goals, its economy is strong and growing almost a bilion people have been lifted out f poverty since 1980s . we are riddle with racism and a gun culture that for the past forty years has turned us onto a war zone poverty an inequality are growing, why not admire a helthy society insttead of a dying one?
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@Swagnarok
so you are basically from the third world?
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@Swagnarok
your backward racist anti government mentality keeps you poor and unhealthy
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@Swagnarok
excuse me you do realize california and new york are very multi cultural right?
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Because i really want a divorce, i think without the subsidy from wealthy blue state red states would collapse and realize we had it right all along
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@RationalMadman
crazy people don't know they are crazy, how about that?
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@RationalMadman
well sort of i study history but then "The past is not dead. It's not even past."? i live in the past, its the world i loved and wasnt even aware of how awesome it was till it was too late , damn millenials you pu the nail in the coffin we boomers built ll on the ashes of the worderful world the gratest genration built for us
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@RationalMadman
i sir am your worst nightmare, i have wet dreamsabout the days i spent with Maximilien François Marie Isidore de Robespierre and our beloved national razor
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@RationalMadman
let god sort them out, this is how you end the jihad
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@SirAnonymous
fair comment marx always states revolution was to occur in an advance nation like usa germany or uk , he was wrong about that and other things, but the ccp and eng finally caught onto what lenine did with the nep , china and russia and eastern europe were all third world backwaters that came far under socialist policies china needed to cach up to the west and used singapore as a model singapore is run also by "ex' socialists it is an incredibly rich city state, and is very pro market but has very quirkly socalist aspects https://www.peoplespolicyproject.org/2018/03/09/how-capitalist-is-singapore-really/ china has used this model to catch up and no one has come as far as fast as china
"In the Heritage Foundation’s Index of Economic Freedom, Singapore ranks as the second most “economically free” country in the world just behind Hong Kong. Since many use this index as a shorthand for “most capitalist” countries, a lot of prominent people end up saying some really weird things about Singapore. For instance, in his Liberty Con remarks, Bryan Caplan claimed Singapore was one of the closest countries to the capitalist ideal.
It is true of course that Singapore has a market economy. But it’s also true that, in Singapore, the state owns a huge amount of the means of production. In fact, depending on how you count it, the Singaporean government probably owns more capital than any other developed country in the world after Norway.
The Singaporean state owns 90 percent of the country’s land. Remarkably, this level of ownership was not present from the beginning. In 1949, the state owned just 31 percent of the country’s land. It got up to 90 percent land ownership through decades of forced sales, or what people in the US call eminent domain.
The Singaporean state does not merely own the land. They directly develop it, especially for residential purposes. Over 80 percent of Singapore’s population lives in housing constructed by the country’s public housing agency HDB. The Singaporean government claims that around 90 percent of people living in HDB units “own” their home. But the way it really works is that, when a new HDB unit is built, the government sells a transferable 99-year lease for it. The value of that lease slowly declines as it approaches the 99-year mark, after which point the lease expires and possession of the HDB unit reverts back to the state. Thus, Singapore is a land where almost everyone is a long-term public housing tenant.
Then there are the state-owned enterprises, which they euphemistically call Government-linked Companies (GLCs). Through its sovereign wealth fund Temasek, the Singaporean government owns a large share (20% or more) of 20 companies (2012 figure). Together these companies make up 37% of the market capitalization of the Singaporean stock market. The state also owns a large share of 8 real estate investment trust (REIT) companies (2012 figure), which they call GLREITs. The value of the GLREITs make up 54% of the country’s total REIT market.
The sovereign wealth fund Temasek doesn’t just own domestic assets. It also is invested broadly throughout the world, especially in other Asian countries. In March of last year, Temasek had a net portfolio value of S$275 billion, which is equal to around 62% of the country’s annual GDP. To put this figure in more familiar terms, Temasek’s total holdings are equivalent to if the US government built a $12.4 trillion wealth fund.
Call me old-fashioned, but I don’t generally associate state ownership of the means of production with capitalism. One way to see whether libertarians or conservatives actually think Singapore’s system is uber-capitalistic is to imagine how they would respond to someone who ran a campaign in the US aimed at bringing the country up to the Singaporean ideal.
In this campaign, the candidate would say that the state should expropriate nearly all of the land in the country, build virtually all of the housing in the country, move almost everyone into public housing leaseholds, become the largest shareholder of more than a third of the country’s publicly-traded companies (weighted by market capitalization), and build out a sovereign wealth fund that holds tens of trillions of dollars of corporate assets. Would this campaign meet with a warm libertarian embrace or perhaps be derided as a bit socialistic?
The case of Singapore is more than just a funny gotcha to use against right-wingers. It actually raises an interesting question about what it is people care about when it comes to “capitalism” and “socialism.” Is capitalism primarily about markets or private ownership? Relatedly, is socialism primarily about ending markets or promoting collective ownership? Often these things are bundled together, but they are logically and practically separable. Singapore (and Norway, among others) shows that it is quite possible to collectively own the means of production while also using price systems to assist in the allocation of productive factors. This is what market socialists have been saying for a hundred years."
The Singaporean state owns 90 percent of the country’s land. Remarkably, this level of ownership was not present from the beginning. In 1949, the state owned just 31 percent of the country’s land. It got up to 90 percent land ownership through decades of forced sales, or what people in the US call eminent domain.
The Singaporean state does not merely own the land. They directly develop it, especially for residential purposes. Over 80 percent of Singapore’s population lives in housing constructed by the country’s public housing agency HDB. The Singaporean government claims that around 90 percent of people living in HDB units “own” their home. But the way it really works is that, when a new HDB unit is built, the government sells a transferable 99-year lease for it. The value of that lease slowly declines as it approaches the 99-year mark, after which point the lease expires and possession of the HDB unit reverts back to the state. Thus, Singapore is a land where almost everyone is a long-term public housing tenant.
Then there are the state-owned enterprises, which they euphemistically call Government-linked Companies (GLCs). Through its sovereign wealth fund Temasek, the Singaporean government owns a large share (20% or more) of 20 companies (2012 figure). Together these companies make up 37% of the market capitalization of the Singaporean stock market. The state also owns a large share of 8 real estate investment trust (REIT) companies (2012 figure), which they call GLREITs. The value of the GLREITs make up 54% of the country’s total REIT market.
The sovereign wealth fund Temasek doesn’t just own domestic assets. It also is invested broadly throughout the world, especially in other Asian countries. In March of last year, Temasek had a net portfolio value of S$275 billion, which is equal to around 62% of the country’s annual GDP. To put this figure in more familiar terms, Temasek’s total holdings are equivalent to if the US government built a $12.4 trillion wealth fund.
Call me old-fashioned, but I don’t generally associate state ownership of the means of production with capitalism. One way to see whether libertarians or conservatives actually think Singapore’s system is uber-capitalistic is to imagine how they would respond to someone who ran a campaign in the US aimed at bringing the country up to the Singaporean ideal.
In this campaign, the candidate would say that the state should expropriate nearly all of the land in the country, build virtually all of the housing in the country, move almost everyone into public housing leaseholds, become the largest shareholder of more than a third of the country’s publicly-traded companies (weighted by market capitalization), and build out a sovereign wealth fund that holds tens of trillions of dollars of corporate assets. Would this campaign meet with a warm libertarian embrace or perhaps be derided as a bit socialistic?
The case of Singapore is more than just a funny gotcha to use against right-wingers. It actually raises an interesting question about what it is people care about when it comes to “capitalism” and “socialism.” Is capitalism primarily about markets or private ownership? Relatedly, is socialism primarily about ending markets or promoting collective ownership? Often these things are bundled together, but they are logically and practically separable. Singapore (and Norway, among others) shows that it is quite possible to collectively own the means of production while also using price systems to assist in the allocation of productive factors. This is what market socialists have been saying for a hundred years."
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@RationalMadman
i'm all for it, i consider islam like all regions reactionary, i dont believe in mercy i believe in the revolution like mao said this aint no party this aint no disco this aint no fucking around stalin did no wrong
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@RationalMadman
yes i do i have no problem with what they did none at all we should do the same we interned the japanese in ww2 muslsim should be treated in the exact same fashion we are at war war is not for the weak of heart https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeOtPVxGJFQ
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@RationalMadman
how old are you? their top tax rate was 98% and most of its major industries were nationalized and run very badly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEgvxQ_OhcU
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@RationalMadman
does it ? does it really? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7lzu0MGhIg&t=25s
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@RationalMadman
if you want an omelet you ned to crack some eggs study the history of china before the revolution china was a failed state opium addiction famine imperialists chewed off her here and there it has ben a long march but in the past 40 years china has used a mixture of capitalism and Socialism to left 800 million people out of poverty .. no one had ever done anything about that.. you cant be "free' if you are starving and naked, the Chinese have made great progress and and they are winning their war on islamic terrorism they had a few incidents 10 to 15 years ago and so they put the fear of god into the muzzies. how can you be free and happy with a bunch of rag heads runing around stabbing you and setting off bombs they chinese wont put up with that shit and i say? bravo
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In short, our domestic political debate is grossly impoverished by our dichotomy between the competing utopianisms of a country without government and one dominated by it. We in fact are headed toward a world with a lot less government – and a lot more "socialism."
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we wont get the ussr we have two futures we end up like Britain in the winter of 1979 , or like the nordic model which combines market friendly policy with a generous welfare state https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2016-06-10/america-doesnt-get-what-socialist-scandinavia-and-sweden-really-do https://www.historyextra.com/period/modern/the-winter-of-discontent-what-can-we-learn-from-history/
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anyone considers right wingers rational other than their own crazy asses
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Polls vary on how Americans feel about socialism now. In May, Gallup found that 43% thought some form of socialism would be good for the country, putting socialism at a statistical tie with Trump, who’s approval ratings were 42%. The term was particularly popular among the non-white and the young. A Harris poll released a couple of weeks earlier found that only 24% said they would vote for a socialist. An NBC poll indicated “socialist” was the least attractive trait voters were looking for in a president, significantly lagging “someone over the age of 75” and “a Muslim”. A Harris poll from March suggests half of those under the age of 40 would “prefer to live in a socialist country”. Three-quarters of Democrats believe the country would be “better off” if it were more socialist.
But quite what people mean by “socialist” is an open question.https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/sep/06/socialism-used-to-be-a-dirty-word-is-america-now-ready-to-embrace-the-ideology
But quite what people mean by “socialist” is an open question.https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/sep/06/socialism-used-to-be-a-dirty-word-is-america-now-ready-to-embrace-the-ideology
People think trump is the future of this nation , maybe he is just a last gasp of an aging white population, I think the future of the USA isn't blue it is red but no Republican Red but Bolshey RED
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you forget that they eat babies, do you believe any of that shit? are you serious its all right wing propaganda made up absurdities, show me some pictures show me some proof anyone can make shit up, i suport the ccp and sociaist china
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is that a joke?
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The Republicans have been fighting dirty since they went after Clinton for a blow job, I mean thats pretty rich considering trump had a history of gang raping 13 year olds with Jeffrey Epstien party of morality my ass what a bunch of degenerates their only god is money and power
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@HistoryBuff
he is insane and he has animal cunning thats all you ned to be a crook
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@Dr.Franklin
i love cnn gods truth i can figure out why it isnt a church they are so right
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I was watching the news today cnn , i love cnn screw you i think ccn is grand the yalways agree with me, i dont want to hear people say things that make me mad . Biden was calling Trump an idiot and it made me smile, good old uncle joe hes a scrapper he might actually get in a sligging match iwth thr roange clown. but today i realized somethng this all may just be theater how can it be real instead of a reapresident we have a Btman villian , somebody pinch me
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