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I’m in. Any chances this game will actually happen?
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@Evilgenius
We have a guilty on you by Wylted, can you explain that?
Please explain how you are busy but still have time to lurk online during the game?
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Polyglot - Subterra Centipoid - You are encountered various times by the Bakugan Battle Brawlers throughout the show. As Jewels’ and Akira’s main Bakugan, your ability Attractor allows you to transport an ally to battle with you even if they are on another Gate Card. You are the 2x Redirector. Each night you may choose two players. All actions performed by the first player will be redirected to the second.
Here is my role. Last night I redirected Lunatic’s actions onto Evil. And since my ability is only 2 times I’m basically vanilla at this point.
I’m pretty sure Evil and Lunatic are the scum team.
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Evil’s actions this whole game has been much more sketchy than previous games. I get that he’s busy and all but he seems to be more MIA than usual and as Whiteflame pointed out in the past day phase he would often be online lurking. He’s been a scum read for me the entire game and really hasn’t done much to help town.
The few times I played as scum in previous games I would also act the same way by being less active. I think this is natural for beginner scum to do.
VTL EVIL
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How much longer is the day phase. A lynch on drlebronski seems most appropriate. Although I still want to hear something from Lunatic before we end the day phase.
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@Lunatic
@Evilgenius
We need some activity from you two.
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@whiteflame
So, while Poly's answer doesn't directly address the issue, I think we can infer from his response that Pie would not inform him that his action had failed, i.e. he would have to have been RB'd himself or have targeted someone like the Ascetic to have his action fail. In other words, he could successfully redirect a failed action, which means you could have been subject to an RB and he would be given no indication. That makes sense to me, since he could potentially have targeted a Vanilla player and technically the Redirect would have been successful on them even though they did nothing.
This.
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@Wylted
I doubt a roleblock on my target would affect my role in anyway and I would need to be told that.
Because if I chose to redirect someone who is vanilla for example I’m pretty sure my action would just be confirmed but nothing would happen because that person is roleless.
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@whiteflame
I'm not sure what led Poly to target Wylted, and I've noticed that he avoided answering that particular question. Did you sus Wylted? Why Redirect him to Bron, specifically?
After DP1 I had about 4 people who I thought were the least town confirmed. Both Wylted and Drlebronski were on that list. I chose them hoping one was possibly mafia with a chance to redirect mafia onto mafia.
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Pie told me that I won’t be told if the person I redirected is roleblocked.
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It does seem slightly sketchy that Drlebronski chose to post his whole role instead of just summarize it. Even after all the heat we gave GP for doing the same. It could be a given fake claim or something they had made and ready in the scum chat.
justification is that i saved 2 bakugan and im 2x bodyguard.
Also here(post 11) Drlebronski chose to give further justification and explanation after posting his role. This was unnecessary as we can clearly see the justification in his first post.
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@Wylted
I already asked. Just waiting for an answer.
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@whiteflame
I’m assuming this because Wylted wasn’t able to use his role on Drlebronski.
But with all that we know, we can deduce that Wylted, Whiteflame, Drlebronski, and I weren’t the ones that did the night kill.
That still leaves Lunatic and Evilgenius, as well as Greyparrot, but we already have him as basically confirmed.
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And I think Whiteflame should also say what he knows in regards to his role. Cause it seems like my action only partially worked
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I was a watcher and watched lunatic. My role failed. Not only did I fail, but my role changed In The middle of the night after being visited by drlebronsky.
So how does Wylted know he was visited by drlebronski
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@Wylted
my action would not have said failed, just because I was redirected.
What was the wording exactly? The redirect still happened regardless, you intended to watch Lunatic, but instead you watched Drlebronski. Your action didn’t actually fail.
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@Wylted
It’s possible as town. A town redirecter would be able to redirect the night kill into a scummy player or any mafia power roles onto themselves
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I’m a redirecter and I redirected Wylted’s action onto Drlebronski. It helped that Drlebronski also visited Wylted. So that’s why Wylted saw Drlebronski visit himself instead of seeing Lunatic.
Based on those actions I can deduce that Wylted and Drlebronski is probably town.
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But I’m really confused as to why Wylted wants to Lynch himself?
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Based on what I know I can deduce that Mafia is residing within Lunatic, Whiteflame, or Evilgenius
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I’m confused why Wylted will want to Lynch himself and how that would benefit town in anyway. But I can confirm his actions.
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@drlebronski
Who did you choose to Bodyguard?
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@Lunatic
So far that puts both supa and poly on my radar since poly also mentioned suspecting GP.
All I said in regards to GP is ... As far as grayparrots actions, can’t really say he is town confirmed. We don’t know what information was given in the PM’s or if Whiteflame really asked or not. (Post 47)
Wasn’t really sussing him her, just stating that we can’t complete disregard him and say he’s town. I was implying that I’m mainly null in terms of GP.
Then after Oromagi pointed out that GP didn’t post his Wincon, I placed GP as town lead, noticing that I also didn’t have a wincon tied to my role.
So I don’t see where you are getting that I am sussing him.
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@oromagi
That's odd. What did your wincon say?
You win with the town
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@oromagi
- So, we're meant to believe that GP cut & pastea the DP except for wincon. Why leave off wincon if you are demonstrating idgaf?
Well I can attest that the wincon and my role weren’t sent to me in the same message. Pie sent it to me after. So I’m sure the same happened with GP, and he just copied the first message
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As far as grayparrots actions, can’t really say he is town confirmed. We don’t know what information was given in the PM’s or if Whiteflame really asked or not.
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I’ll be able to post more starting later tonight. Been busy the past 2 days. But vacation is starting soon.
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I feel like Town Lunatic would be less opposed to a VTNL or at least trying better to analyze everyone. That fact that he’s just going for me and trying to end the game quickly is kind of out of his meta as town.
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@Lunatic
I gave my complete thoughts here to why you are scum. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/6775/post-links/291661
Now that fact that you are just going from a VTNL to voting me when pretty much everyone agrees that a VTNL will benefit the town kind of stands out.
Also, Whiteflame pretty much sussed everyone in his final posts. He sussed me for not voting, he sussed you and even himself for being adamant on your lynch choices, and he sussed Wylted for taking substantial time to vote. Basically the whole town. So for you to just pinpoint me from Whiteflame’s suspicions and not take Whiteflames post with a grain of salt seems scummy.
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Fvck a no lynch. Let's lynch poly. If we lose than who gives a fuh, nothing ventured nothing gained.
You won’t give a fuh when I flip town cause that’s an automatic win for you, the mafia.
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@ILikePie5
Whiteflame basically sussed everyone in that post.
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The next scummy person I think is Supadudz. But that’s mainly due to low activity. He voted for Evil last Day phase and didn’t really even explain why.
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Lunatic overly defended Evil DP1, almost as if he knew or was anticipating him to flip town. My guess is that was his method for him to gain townie points.
Also, if Lunatic was so determined that Evil was town, I don’t understand why he would want to hammer.
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Lunatic overly defended Evil DP1, almost as if he knew or was anticipating him to flip town. My guess is that was his method for him to gain townie points.
But there was plenty of evidence against Evil and not once did he bother to ask about it or look into it, just chopping it up to noob play.
Although Evil did flip town, Lunatic’s entire strategy just appeared scummy to me.
In addition, Lunatic sus’ed me for simply questioning Evil’s play DP1 and was throwing me under the bus. Almost as if he was trying to formulate a case against me for this DP. I had no intention on lynching evil and simply wanted to understand where his mind was at.
Furthermore, I also think Whiteflame was starting to slowly sus Lunatic as well towards the end of the DP1, which may give reason to why he was the night kill.
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I have a few reasons for wanting to vote Lunatic out but I don’t think I would be able to convince the majority of town on that in such short time.
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I’m not exactly sure why there is a wagon on Pie. Seems like he’s being voted due to the “we and us” argument. But he has explained that it was Evil’s use of “(town)” and the self conscious nature that appeared scummy. Honestly feels like this is also a mislynch.
Also lunatic wanted pie Lynch from the very beginning just so town avoids the pages of back and forth between him and pie.
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@Lunatic
What Pie is referring to is that Evil felt the need to say “(town)” in addition to “we”. There was no need for Evil to emphasize that the “we” is “(town)”
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@Discipulus_Didicit
You got to work on that vote count. Numbers all off.
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So all in all, I’m willing to hold off on the lynch on evil and see if he can better defend himself.
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At this point it is either Evil is scum or is just so anti-town. And I’m kind of conflicted on which to choose.
Well here I did say in post #142 that I’m still kind of conflicted as to what I believe. My earlier questioning on Evil was to get him talking more to see how he reacts to the pressure
Evil, instead of defending yourself as to why no one should vote for you because you are “noob”, can you give us the names of other people who you think are scum and some clear reasons why you think they are. Thank you.
and here I even coached him a bit by asking him to give us his leads also so we can see where his mind is at.
That didn’t really pan out too well, as he just continued calling out “noob” play for him being innocent and stated he didn’t want to give any reads when I asked.
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@Lunatic
So I’m suspicious to you because I pointed out suspicious activity in another player?
You have everything you want and know he is dumb enough to dig his own grave with his answer, and then when he flips town you can avoid any and all blame here because evil is just retarded/noob town or whatever you will say.
Also, here it seems like you believe Evil is town. You haven’t said much about all the scummy actions he has done this day phase.
My guess is you are anticipating Evil to flip innocent and trying to paint me as scummy to lead a second mislynch next day phase.
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