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Well if you mean CIA level torture that's not happening to our knowledge, especially not to those clearly ranked low.
That said, this is a war. Putin has been a merciless cunt to the Ukranians, mercy is not something they can afford on every single POW if they want to extract certain plans and information from a high ranking POW.
Unfortunately, Russians train their high ranking officials and threaten to harm their family if they leak any information so it's up in the air how it goes.
Are you randomly sympathising with the soldiers caught? How about the Ukranians dying defending their own land? How about the refugees?
Just shut up with your virtue signalling, it really is a bad look especially as you accuse people like me of it.
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Military industrial complex demanded this war and you support them. Why? Because like Zelensky, you see "everyone doing it."
No, like Zelensky I am horrified about the invasion of Ukraine. He is much braver than many of us are, so perhaps I wouldn't have that in common. He had a genuine opportunity to escape and survive but chose to stay and lead, whether he lives to the end of the war or not. That is a hero, what you are is a rager on behalf of the scum.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
If you mean what Putin has done to his people it's very easy/simple to gain the data on how many of his young men are estimated to be killed already.
As for the lies and propaganda, it is twofold:
He partly told them they are defending the Ukranians against a Fascist government that is gaining strength with NATO and also told the generals/commanders to trick the original tankers/units to not realise they were on Ukranian soil (yet) at a certain point where suddenly they all were retaliated against at once, surprising many of the younger soldiers who had zero real battlefield experience and overwhelming them emotionally, not just physically.
They then were attacked by Ukranians over and over after they initiated what they thought was an agreed attack with a group in Ukraine attempting to coup the Fascists.
The lie became clear to certain soldiers who noticed that not one single Ukranian faction or soldier was siding with them. This is what led to their surrendering and the fact they were young and inexperienced.
Then, when surrendered, interviews like this have taken place (of course most of it happens off-camera).
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I feel complimemted at the fact GP was too afraid to tackle my initial post, despite how passive it was, argumentatively.
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@thett3
INTJs can definitely be right-wing but I doubt even one single left-winger identifies as right-wing because traditionalism and many 'values' of the Right Wing directly violate the ethos and mindset of INTPs.
Oh god, I meant INTP... brainfart or something lol
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@thett3
INxP
is the fundamental opposite to
ESxJ
when it comes to politics and approach to life.
T vs F is actually the least important Myers-Briggs factor in political alignment despite what either side may go around telling you.
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@bmdrocks21
No, I don’t waste my time trying to change the minds of people that block me. Blocking just shows me upfront that you won’t meaningfully engage with and consider anything that I say
I could 'name and shame' people who you'd never find meaningful engagement with on here but since at least one of them is on 'your side' and I want to avoid drama, I will leave it at that.
Blocking you and meaningfully engaging with you are independent of each other.
I considered what you wrote at the end of the page before and I assure you, you're strawmanning brutally and perhaps don't realise it.
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@thett3
I always got INTP or INTJ on those things but I haven’t taken on in a very long time. And I would consistently get INTP or INTJ but every letter was marginal. I’ll see if I can take one again later
INTJs can definitely be right-wing but I doubt even one single left-winger identifies as right-wing because traditionalism and many 'values' of the Right Wing directly violate the ethos and mindset of INTPs.
I also think that ESTJs are absent of left-wingers among them.
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@Lunatic
I hope that you realise that I've had and still have the power to keep the topics stale so that you wouldn't be able to use it to get the site popular but I didn't sabotage it.
Your ideas of me being salty and blinded by my dislike for you and Airmax are unfounded. I think that you should have run for the president's seat instead of Airmax and just kept your behaviour in check, you'd have won by a landslide much harder than he won.
I also would owe you directly for keeping me unbanned that time, instead of Airmax who I owe literally nothing to in terms of favours, so you'd have gotten my vote pretty much no matter what you did as I value repaying favours a lot as it's a good reputation to have.
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@3RU7AL
So, could you give me an example of INTPs that identify as right-wing?
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@thett3
even most of Western Europe is quite poor compared to American living standards.
you ever interacted with or live in western europe to say that?
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@Benjamin
It's amazing to me that you have the time and energy to post this but no time and energy to PM me to discuss topics to debate in the tournament finals.
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@bmdrocks21
Don't care, didn't ask.
Actually you participated in the thread and attacked left-wing people. Therefore, you opened yourself up to be replied to by anyone who identifies as that.
You are speechless because you have zero worthwhile rebuttal to what I said.
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@3RU7AL
Could you give me some examples of right-wing INTPs?
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Like the Baseball shooter? How about the cop snipers? All those guys are right wing incels?
Is your question intended to show that you intentionally ignored the cases of right-wing people acting on their 'do something' urge in severe and toxic ways?
So hard to take you seriously sometimes with the "everyone I hate is Hitler" approach to things.
I am not sure when I have ever said that, even once.
Are you denying you are part of the "do something" crowd with your edgy profile pic?
My profile pic is far less edgy than yours. :)
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Also, do you really think most outrage in America is not fabricated nonsense while real problems are systemically ignored?
Idk how we stack up the numbers and where 'most' is drawn but I think a fair few problems are real problems, yes.
If you don't see that, it's no wonder you refuse to believe you often rage on behalf of the machine.
You refuse to believe that you rage on behalf of the rich, so I am not sure what you mean.
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Have you done any research at all on this guy beyond what Cnn or Fox says? This guy isn't who you think he is.
No, he isn't who you think he is. :)
Which media did you digest to reach your conclusion?
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@Benjamin
Antigens produced without the pathogens inserted into the body at all is rather peculiar, wouldn't you say?
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@oromagi
Grey parrot went from being semi-amusing and somewhat sane to writing off-the-edge far right posts on the daily that are not at all funny anymore.
He evolved but it's a maladaptation.
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The real reason why Biden is so happy about 10 dollar a gallon gas is because it's one of the fastest ways to directly funnel money from the poor into the hands of the military industrial complex, even if it's to support a corrupt American colony in Ukraine supporting an installed dictator. Hell, they even got these fools to support literal Nazis.
Zelensky was and is an anti-establishment Jew. He is not a Nazi or an American puppet. You have very little idea about anything you type, keep letting Russian State media brainwash you if you want but refeain from trying to spread it to me, thanks.
I am not sure what the fuck you think is going on but in Europe you are not able to host refugees in your home, meet them and ask the real storyline of events. I literally know you are wrong, you're an ignorant keyboard warrior who has bever met or looked up the real Ukranian side of this war.
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So people who post profile pics supporting the so-named "Democracy" in Ukraine with an instinctual desire to "do something" are mostly right-wing incels?
They could be but if we talk about people wjo feel so frustrated with a system they go out and shoot people based on the urge to do something, that tends to be right-wing incels who learned to handle frustrationa by doing drastic things.
The rest of what you wrote is plagued with confirmation bias and that is why you used words like 'most' doing it on behalf of 'the machine' to suit your narrative. It js the right wing who generally back the mechanics of elitism.
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@Lunatic
It would be funny if you weren't serious.
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@bmdrocks21
Fighting against strawmen and exaggerated enemies is a specialty of convervatism.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
It is actually not illegal to say you support Ukraine, in Russia, since they are saying it's a special military operation to save Ukranians from Neo-Nazis in the Fascist government there (which is a lie of course).
I am not sure why you are being so awkward about this all but I'm just gonna block you and let others deal with your pedantic trolling.
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The theory is clearly incomplete, given that the most ardent 'do something' people are typically severe fiery conservative or furious far-right incel types. That said, I would agree with Thett3 on something, if you take a moderate left-wing Liberal and moderate right-wing Convervative or Libertarian, the former will have more urge to do something about a situation that displeases them while the latter will try to remain more stoic, instinctively.
The actual theory runs like this, I believe:
If a situation seems to both be morally displeasing and happens to individually displease the person, people who are stronger in their leanings are consistently more likely to burn with the urge to do something about it.
If a situation seems to be morally displeasing but not individually distressing, a left-wing leaning person is much more likely to still have some degree of passion and urge to genuinely spread the word and also do things towards the cause, whereas the right-wing are more inclined to revert to neutrality on a matter unless it directly affects them personally or some people close to them.
If a situation seems to be morally pleasing enough but individually hurts the individual (perhaps you are rich in a left-wing society or you are a harsh right-wing person who happens to be working class and suffering due to the lack of provisions for you and your family), the right-wing are likely to feel a rage that when asked to 'do something' they direct towards the opposition but not towards any productive solution to the problem. When the left-wing face this dilemma they are actually much more likely to remain stoic and be okay with it as long as they feel it is a good protection to them and those close to them if they ever happened to become very poor, vulnerable, isolated etc.
If you had to sum up what I am saying in a simple concept, it works like this:
The 'direction' right-wing mindset, especially right-wing conservative mindset, is to deal with issues directly in terms of negative input to the individual. You will get authoritarian left-wingers who fall into this category though. The idea is that the less close to home the issue is the less of a crap is given and that can literally mean even right next to somebody's house there is a homeless person. The solution of very authoritarian people, especially if they are authoritarian right-wing, is to get rid of the disturbance (do they stink, are they noisy, are they reducing the value of the estate etc) whereas the left-wing approach is more as follows...
The left-wing approach is more wavy, if that makes sense. There is constant flux between the individual's dissatisfaction and lessening that and the urge to pursue the best outcome even if it hurts the individual in some way. The left-wing instinct when faced with a problem whether it's outside their doorstep or on the other side of the world is to be very curious and concerned, this is the actual reason why so many scientists are left-wing, it's because burning curiosity and inability to separate one's own personal issues from a broader system of logical framework and ethical concern runs deep in left-wing thinking. The left-wing liberal has to actively remind themselves to worry about their own sadness and personal issues and insulate themselves from others' suffering because their instinct is to worry about, take interest in and genuinely want to solve everybody's problems.
This is why I have always known that the simple division between left-wing and right-wing people, if we ignore peer pressure in their household and friendship circle, is that those that lean right worry first about avoiding their own sadness and dissatisfaction, whereas the left-wing primarily worry about net happiness and net satisfaction being optimised for all. This is a double-dynamic conflict.
I'd explain more but I don't want all my ideas to be stolen, one day I may publish a book but this sums it up.
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@Lunatic
@Barney
@Vader
@whiteflame
@airmax1227
I will let you speak to this user about their concerns about their freedom to defend bestiality.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Children can come across this website, do you genuinely want them to honestly believe that it's okay to molest their housepet?
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@ADreamOfLiberty
For instance when you brought up my previous debates on different site with the sole intention of character assassination and further implied I was not "respectable", had no "self-respect", was "lonely", and engaged in "molesting"That could be interpreted as violating the rule against:obsessive attempts to derail unrelated topics with impertinent grudges
It's a grudge, sure, against somebody whose first post on the website and introduction is basically a bitch and moan that he's afraid to not be allowed to post about sexually molesting animals, while angling it as some defense of another user who is a really asinine troll to everybody here and recently confessed to beating somebody up irl, two different people on two different occasions and being in trouble with the law.
When I tell you to get some self respect, I am talking about wanting to be able to read what you posted, two weeks later and at worst cringe at it but not hate that you posted it. I'm talking from a perspective of warning and concern, not about telling you that you have no self-respect. What happens over time to a chronic troll is that they get lost in the character and the motive becomes to wind people up as the end-goal and the debating's just the means, never let it be that for you it's not a healthy path.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
The chances that this site is primarily hosted within the united states or a country with similar speech laws is extremely high.
Actually it's hosted in Russia (yes, that is the genuine claim by the admin).
That said, it's under '.com' domain meaning that the default law to assume is US law.
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I am not sure that you know what toxic means.
Also are we talking O(small 2) or the elememt oxygen in compounds like CO(small 2) and hydrocarbons as a gas?
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@ADreamOfLiberty
All you did was come and whine and moan about this website. I assure you this isn't simply DDO version 2, it's freer here.
It was easy to get banned on DDO, you just had to piss off the popular members. You could obey the rules and still get banned, meanwhile you could act like Wylted and Imabench and stay continually only temp-banned and unbanned so long as you kept the popular members happy with you.
The approach here is different but if you keep going around posting pro-besitality bullshit, you are bound to find yourself in legal trouble not just issues with the website.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
The thing is even in playing devil's advocate how can you seriously tell anyone you know 'oh look how great I debated why to fuck a dog on this website'.
Get a sense of self respect. You literally would be a more respectable person as a 40 year old virgin than a dogfucker, it really is that simple and straightforward.
I'd recommend getting into a furry roleplay online group if it's the loneliness that's eating at you, there's sex chat sites and all of that jazz where being a furry is only semi-taboo rather than fully taboo. As for actually engaging with an actual animal, fantasy is fantasy, stop trying to molest real animals and advocating for it. Humans are one of the only species that enjoy and really want sex in the way that we do.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Why did no part of your complaint worry about the fact that you're worried that you can't advocate for fucking your dog here?
Isn't that your whole jam? Or are you genuinely concerned that you can't advocate for hate groups and criminal activity beyond bestiality?
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@Dr.Franklin
I can absolutely guarantee you that alcoholism and drug abuse is worse in Croatia than UK.
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@Dr.Franklin
What is a general society problem then? Suicide rates?
You think there is no suicide in Croatia? What is your angle?
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@TheUnderdog
And how would you convince Mexico to bow down and adhere to a one world USA?
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@thett3
I do think your concept is flawed in the sense that very conservative parents are also the strictest, as are very conservative governments. There are definitely conservatives who are do-something type people.
However, I do agree that progressives are very fiery do-something people by nature.
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@Dr.Franklin
Oh you mean the ones that get caught? Yeah, that's called corruption.
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This is one of the most complimentary take of Liberals/Progressives that a Conservative could give. I agree with a lot of it.
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@Dr.Franklin
You are against porn, drugs and prostitution right? Do you know how much human trafficking and drug smuggling, Croatia is involved with?
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There are white people like Eminem, who genuinely are more like the black ethnicity they grew up and around than some black race people who grew up in wealthier white-filled suburbs, nonetheless the white person can't just use the N-word.
I am even against black people using it much at all, I think it's an ugly word with very bad connotations. I don't think it has any place on a sophisticated debate website.
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@oromagi
Please explain why you feel insulted or disregarded by my usage in this forum.
Aside from the fact that you spell it with hard R, you keep using the term intentionally to trigger in a context that isn't actually about or towards black people so I am not sure why you think I am personally insulted or disregarded.
I know black people who even for your usage of it in this forum would be offended and insulted. I am not such a person, though I do find it very distasteful/offputting.
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@TheUnderdog
That can already be done without a one-world nation.
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@Stephen
Are you that dense that you think I was disagreeing with you?
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No, I'm not assuming that; I know for an actual fact that Russia is more tyrannical than the US is, to live in and now internationally too.
Putin's Russia would give you less of every single right you right-wing libertarians cherish, if only you used your head and comprehended that.
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@oromagi
- You are ignorant of how to use the word without offending or
A white person can literally not use the N-word without offending, even if talking about the word. I think your social awareness and/or EQ are to blame here, I can't think of what else it may be.
And I'm diagnosed with Asperger's / high functioning Autism so to me it's pretty odd that I'm the one more streetsmart and aware of the social and emotional aspects surrounding a word, even if the logic would imply otherwise.
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@oromagi
Everybody in the US has the right to use the word nigger at any time
I'm seriously starting to worry about your sanity...
How can you seriously say this, which would include white people saying it to black people, and identify as a left-wing progressive?
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@TheUnderdog
Okay and how would you go about making Islamic cultures obey the new enforcement of gender equality and feminist protections against abuse?
How would we ensure that these far-right cultures don't end up making the liberal, democratic cultures end up swayed in their direction instead?
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@badger
If you are being serious, that's a very ridiculous outlook. Germany is part of the harshest countries defending Ukraine againt Russia's Imperalism right now, they are severely anti-Fascist within the nation. I am not sure where you're coming from with that statement, maybe you drank the kool-aid Nigel Farage sold you.
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