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At what point is it far enough for you right-wing nutjobs to call it racist and too far?

It would be better to use sensical terms like "racial hatred" or "racial bias", instead of nonsense.
does that make a racist feel better about themselves being racist?

Then I don't give the slightest shit.
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To those who think BLM haven't changed anything and that 'it hasn't happened since the slavery days'
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@dfss9788
When you quote the title, quote all of it. :)
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@dfss9788
Lmao to my entire reply to you all you have to say is 'grow up'. All you had to say about the entire article is 'what about the other side'? They even mention how utterly simple-minded the 'other side' was even afterwards. The verdict was given by a guy who was deadset on giving the death penalty to all those who harm children, he didn't even think to imagine the argument that the lawyer was giving him was that she, in fact, had not been the original harm to the baby that had an extremely rare, fatal kidney condition that was only treatable if at all if you already knew he'd have it.
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Not nearly as misinformed as the readers of the article with zero info from the other side of the story.
As I said:

Fuck the other side, they're rich and powerful enough to get their side heard of they had an iota of defense worth publishing.
Show me either the 'other side' or a single reason why they're too financially or socially incapable of getting their side heard.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Over the course of many years, they have not only helped others in this exact way but tried time and time again to open people's eyes to the irrefutable systemic racism present in both society, the general law enforcement, corporations at the higher ranks and the judicial courtroom.

Whenever I find a genuine BLM opposer, I have found they tend to resort to denying systemic racism to be real and pretend shit like what I linked to in that article happened to caucasians just as much.

That case encapsulates so many different areas of systemic racism (including, beyond law enforcement, how the mother was presumed guilty even by the witnesses who saw her not murder her own infant) and happened to be a case I think not many have gotten to know well. A lot of other cases where there were multiple layers of racism (such as the Central Park Five and many others, such as Stephen Lawrence in UK) have both as accused perpetrators and victims seen both sides of systemic racism in law enforcement.

Blacks are (or were until very recently though I'm skeptical it's been eradicated) liberally presumed guilty based on very little evidence and alternatively were held to extreme skepticism when it came to 'my word against theirs' when/if the black was the victim. Stephen Lawrence was murdered yet to convict the hate crime perpetrators took so much time because the cops refused to believe this wasn't a gang war or drug deal gone wrong and went so far as to accuse the parents of potentially lying about Stephen's hobbies and activities, when in fact he was simply beaten up by strangers for being black in the wrong place and at the wrong time.
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Why the taliban has revolted
The taliban is evil and backed by China and Russia. Just stop your nonsense conspiracy theory and realise the actual conspiracy theory that's actually true and backed even by official news sources in both India and Pakistan.
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@dfss9788
LOoK aT yOu, dfss, the one to go 'huh a dumb jury said it, it doesn't matter' when a woman was going to be literally killed and trapped in a cell losing several years of her life branded as a baby killer because of a misinformed, potentially racist all-white jury and the verdict they gave her.

What is most unforgivable is that you sit there on some fucking high horse about hearing the other side when that's the very thing they never did to her in the first place. Fuck the other side, they're rich and powerful enough to get their side heard of they had an iota of defense worth publishing.
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Liberals and communists are hypocrites
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@StevenCrowder
I can do a better impression of Steven Crowder while I'm half asleep.
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Incel subculture is a major threat to the western world's peace and safety.
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@Dr.Franklin
what do mass shooting and detroit killings have in common?

would you say it's an easily accessible highly lethal weapon?
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Incel subculture is a major threat to the western world's peace and safety.
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@Conway
which should come first?
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@Dr.Franklin
oh what you need is publicly funded cops doing sting operations and also need the average US citizen to hate guns.

that latter part idk what to do though, in the countries that got rid (mostly) of guns it was events like the one you link in Chicago that caused the culture/society to actively want to get rid of guns. US culture seems deadset on keeping them.
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Incel subculture is a major threat to the western world's peace and safety.
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@Dr.Franklin
Alright, so will you work with me to take guns away from people?
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@Dr.Franklin
citation? is that something to laugh about?
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At what point is it far enough for you right-wing nutjobs to call it racist and too far?
Another stance he holds is that prison itself is a corrupt trap for the poor to stay stuck while the rich profit off of them.

I feel this is only a critique of privatised prisons but it depends how you interpret what 'publically funded' is, if you're an anarchist.
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@Fruit_Inspector
here's a powerful piece by him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_Q-DUj9OHw
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@Fruit_Inspector
Actually one of my favorite rappers, Vinnie Paz, who is Italian-Philadelphian (he's Italian-Sicilian by blood, immigrated as a young child) and knew many blacks growing up, still close friends with them, agrees with you on this.

He argues that the problem at its core is overly catering to the lazy ones and giving nearly 0 genuine assistance and availability of opportunities to the hard-working blacks who want to 'climb the ladder' of society. He isn't black himself but has grown up among many of them and I think that at least the latter part of what he argues is indeed true. 

Just to be clear, I'm not sure of his stance on BLM (he's definitely not entirely against it) but he is much more about anarchy than he is about stable progressivism.
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universal health coverage doesn't equate to wait times to see a doctor
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@coal
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Sorry that your thread got ruined by a misleading propagandist.

I think, however, there is one small nugget of truth in what the right-wing of the US say when they argue that it won't work in America to fully socialise healthcare.

Not only is it a cultural thing, the sheer size and independent state-rights of America mean it can only be truly socialised within certain states. Instead, I think a system like what Germany has is superior for America to aim for; the insurance is subsidised, the hospitals themselves privatised and neither is fully publically available for free to those who can afford it.

This is also what Coal has been saying so I will tag him to explain more.
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To those who think BLM haven't changed anything and that 'it hasn't happened since the slavery days'
It's an article written by the BLM founder dumbass. Are you calling BLM ridiculous?
I am in that specific case and article, I would not agree with how he's worded it or how extremely he is describing what the 99-0 was specifically on. Literally defunding the police is of course going to send the nation into anarchy, that is obvious and not desirable. That is what was voted 99-0.

'defund' is extremely poor choice of word by the advocates, it wasn't what they really wanted. They wanted to reallocate some of the funding and retrain the cops with a period of tranquility hopefully that the citizens would allow.
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Prosecutors tend not to think of themselves as bad guys who put innocent people in jail, so fight these exonerations, but it isn't racially motivated, and it is kind of retarded to randomly think it is racially motivated based merely on the fact the defendant is black
It is not only the prosecutors, but the interoggating detectives and COs afterwards. She was not even informed she had an appeal, how did that not happen, it is a mandatory part of the procedure as is her having an attorney throughout her interrogation. She was 17, AKA a minor.
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The case struck me as one that never ever would have been how the case would be handled had she been caucasian.
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@TheMorningsStar
Because it is a perfect way to highlight how the system was before it even remotely began to get fixed.
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@oromagi
I have successfully debated the value of Black Live Matter but you can't credit BLM with this win.
I'm not. I even specified it was a white british lawyer who did it and it was the issue of systemic racism in the legal enforcement that I was focusing on.
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GP they voted no to literally 'defunding the police'.

Try and cherry-pick harder. That is not voting no to BLM, what a ridiculous article.
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@oromagi
Do you realise what they are trying to change, not trying, succeeding? That lawyer was counteracting a deeper issue.
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To those who think BLM haven't changed anything and that 'it hasn't happened since the slavery days'

Tell me right now that the way she was treated in her trial and lack of representation she had would have happened if she were a Caucasian American.

Do not look '.co.uk' and tell me she was British, read the article. It was a British lawyer that saved her. That is irrelevant to the piece, I am just clarifying before people try to correct me on this. The British legal system also has needed a lot of work pushed forward by BLM protests and campaigns in order to improve, it's just further along the way, I believe.
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Anything that requires experience to prove is not objectively true, and cannot be proven to be so.
Actually this thread's title has it entirely backwards.

Experiences can reveal objective truths but those objective truths can never be subjectively proven true to those who can't or haven't experienced it.
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Why the taliban has revolted

Think before you take a side.
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How to fake a positive covid19 test
This is seriously disgusting to be informing people of and specifically encouraging schoolchildren to use.

Absolutely atrocious but what else is there to expect from a Wylted thread?
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Vaccine hesitant versus Anti-Vaxxer Why are they bundled into the same category?
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@zedvictor4
since you often correct the spelling of others, such as dr franklin, by sarcastic jokes I would like to point out the 'injest' is spelled 'ingest'.
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@Vader
You'd be surprised how many immigrants voted for Trump
Yes I would, since they're all conned.
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@drlebronski
an exponentially growing one.

These are not 'victims' who we should feel sorry for, I am fed up of that take. These are scumbags who became the very thing they loathed growing up; bullies. They spend day after day bullying each other for not getting laid, making each other feel uglier than they already feel and encouraging each other to embrace the rage and hate.

This is as toxic as a subculture can get.
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@Intelligence_06
alright, I'm interested in talking with people who have the slightest idea about this. In the mean time research the subculture and the meaning of the term 'involuntary' and come back to me.
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@Intelligence_06
Don't talk about things you don't know ty. This isn't a semantics thread this is a politics thread. I didn't ask for the definition.
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@Intelligence_06
They kill themselves before we can punish and investigate, after killing many (including children and teens) in a mass shooting.
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@Intelligence_06
yes there is more, they encourage each other to go on mass killing due to the frustration they feel towards women and life. They also tend to be racist and 100% caucasian, it is a subculture that has less to do with the fact they don't have much sex and far more to do with feeling unfulfilled.
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Questions for transgenders/trans ideologists.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
you are actually spot on correct, that is an ethnically Japanese who is caucasian racially.

You don't genetically inherit your parents' culture or tendencies, accents or anything. It should be completely unnecessary for a white man raised in India to need to unlearn his real accent just to not be punched and called racist when/if he emigrated to another place where people didn't realise he was genuinely having that accent and the head-nod tendencies due to how he was raised.

What we call 'ethnicity' is in fact a wrong usage of the term, it never ever should have a thing to do with genes, so your original answer is correct.

That white scot with a lot of ancestry within Scottish ethnicity is himself 100% ethnically Japanese unless he feels part of a Scottish subculture within Japan or visited Scotland so often in his adolescence and childhood that he can truly say he's formed habit and has outlooks that closer match scottishs than japanese ethnicity.
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"White Supremacist" is a racial slur
This entire thread is a series of grasping at straws.

I'm not sure why it's even getting attention, it's so obviously nonsense that it needn't be addressed.

I will now take a 'bite' merely because I'm curious what you could retort with.

'white supremacist' actually refers to the race being held supreme, it is only a coincidence that the white supremacist happens to themselves be 'white'.

That alone destroys your entire case, literally. Your case relies on the 'white' referring to the race of the supremacist but it is in fact referring to the race/appearance that the supremacists holds as supreme.
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@oromagi
All I can say is normally I am pro-privacy but I hope they investigate these incel bastards and wiretap their fucking devices to know the truth. I hope it very much, this is the fucking limit now, in UK without any guns some lunatic somehow got a gun license to just do this shit. In US with guns, many schoolchildren have to be scared (or definitely had to be in Trump's America) scared stiff of when the next random attack would be.

Take the guns away from people who are not in the armed forces/police and then please investigate incel online forums or subforums, it is very important to do. I hope you catch them, interrogate them and find every last one before another thing like this happens. I will even help, let me know if you want me to be a secret agent, I have had enough of these pieces of shit. I will never raise my child in an environment nor live my life in one where I'm afraid of a piece of utter dirt killing them, that's the absolute limit of where liberty is something we're entitled to vs safety.
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@oromagi
To Afghanistan and Pakistan definitely, not to Western world.
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@oromagi
a three year old girl was shot by the plymouth shooter, stop trying to make some bullshit semantic twist to gaslight me on the seriousness of incel subculture and what it's breeding

losing 1 life of a young person isnt forgivable, this is going too far
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Incel subculture is a major threat to the western world's peace and safety.
I don't have anything more to say, I want people to say what they think.
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biden is to blame for the fall of afghanistan
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@MarkWebberFan
Saudi is US's best buddy though, it's a different beast to most middle eastern nations geopolitically speaking.

I agree with the decision though, at this point it's a lose-lose scenario.

The lunatics can't be stopped, US looks like the villain either way and this wastes the least resources.
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How Did Jesus Do It?
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Critical Race Theory, and other Leftist Delusions
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@coal
Critical race theory primarily states that it's institutions and those powerful in them that perpetuate and truly enact racism, as opposed to casual individuals within the society who may have prejudiced outlooks but can't actually turn it into racism.

I don't entirely agree with CRT due to the latter aspect. I believe individuals can be racist, for sure. The former part though, I totally agree to.
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@Intelligence_06
Not at all. Speedrace retaliated against Wylted and Wylted called it mod abuse. 

Racism can be stopped by members of other races than the victims. Only a racist would think otherwise.
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@MarkWebberFan
Afghanistan was actually a decent country pre-sharia. Taliban has fucked it up. This isn't Biden's fault, it's that the country itself is so corrupt now and deeply controlled by Taliban that it has caved in completely.

The only way to stop it would require Bushes and Reagan to have been kinder to Pakistan, so that Pakistan would help US help it and the Taliban be stamped out. Unfortunately,Bush Jr. sent drones to kill Pakistani families (including children) based on any intel and excuse he could get (oh, he sent more than one believe me).

Pakistan will never ever forgive this. Actually he missed the true leades, only hitting maybe two significant Taliban figures.

Pakistan also resents the Taliban but it can't resist them anymore without outside help and is jaded and stubborn so won't accept help from US and India.
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@BrotherDThomas
My path to the Dao is not your path to the Tao (D vs T is intentional to further highlight what I am saying). This is not rewriting Taoism/Daoism, this is knowing it on a deep level.

You can keep wallowing in your frustrated ignorance, it doesn't matter to me. You seem to think that all things regarding reality and god work the same, Taoism doesn't work on a rigid set of rules perhaps the only rule is to not have a rigid rule in fact.
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@Vader
Yet Orange Man bad
Oh, he really is. In fact, what people forget when they say he'd have won if it wasn't for Covid is this lunatic almost started world war three twice. That time when he illegally assassinated the general was after this had already gone down:

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biden is to blame for the fall of afghanistan
The Democratic party fucked over Afghanistan in the 1990s, and under Biden, fucked it up here. I don't know how anyone can think U.S isn't to blame.
Bushes and Reagan did a fine job of that all on their own, not that you'd know or care.

It's true that under both parties, the US is actually to blame for some things in the Middle East, for instance it was due to European and US intervention that Iran became secured as a Sharia state against the will of the Pagan Persians, very similar things happened in Egypt and Syria and yes Obama was involved with it happening in Egypt.

However, what Republicans do/did is not just enabling ruthless groups like Taliban leeway to take over (you start bombing a country without its permission, like Bush did to Pakistan and you happen to miss a leader or two and suddenly the schoolchildren those bombs slaughtered aren't so easy to justify killing).

You do understand why the Middle East hates the US right? It's a lot more to do with Reagan and the Bushes than the Dems but from FDR  to now it's true that Dems haven't dealt with the Middle East in entirely ideal ways. The US and the Middle East will probably never ever see eye to eye genuinely, even the core cultural values are so different.

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@BrotherDThomas
We all find our own way to the Dao, even if we're unaware we're doing it.

You perceive it as kindness and yet are anything but, so what does that say about you?

Perhaps understand what Taoism is and what the way to the Dao/Tao happens to be before speaking so harshly on a topic you quite literally know nothing about.


Dao is inner peace in spite of changing chaotic circumstances, the way we flow through it is navigating our inner compass towards Dao rather than towards what the outside world may immediately tempt us to go down.

At times, that can include resisting anger and hostility and then Taoism indeed would encourage us to be kind, you seem to think kindness is an absolute rule in Taoism and I can assure you it is not. Taoism is about being looser, wilder and freer, you don't understand it so you think you need to preach here.

I am a pagan who happens to appreciate a lot of Taoism and found that I actually am Taoist without having meant to be, you may not think I am and can type angry comments here all day, it doesn't help you or make you happier. I pity you.
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