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@David
@Barney
@Vader
@MisterChris
Why bother writing you raps or messages, some rappers perfectly produced tracks and spat lyrics to represent my feelings towards you and about my situation.
David/Virtuoso
Ragnar
DebateArt.Com
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@Lunatic
To add onto your points and relate it to my specific case, they never gave me a warning.
They never said "stay away from DuhHamburgler and Lunatic" for me to then disobey.
The same goes for Seldiora (and both of you oppose my ban and the accusation of me harassing you).
It is intriguing what they are suggesting I even did here, that is a mystery that will remain forevermore.
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Current Mafia
Bullish - technology mafia
Signups
RM- Pirates of the Caribbean
In the Hopper
Lunatic- Ultimate Weeabu Universe (UwU Anime mafia)
SupaDudz - Danny Phantom, Avatar The Last Airbender, My Hero Academia
Bear- Bad Mod
ILikePie5 - The Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time
Mharman - Voting: Stage 1
drafterman - Paranoia
On Hold
zaradi, Virtuoso, danielle, PressF4Respect, crocodile
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This game may not happen, especially if low interest is shown. There will be a thematic split, it may or may not be obvious.
This is semi role-madness. Flavouring will be involved. There will be thirdparty if the cast is big enough.
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@SirAnonymous
We define competence and the severity of my received false allegations and punishment very differently. Competence is impossible to coincide with what's happened here.
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Excuse me? You banned me for what? I'm shocked you even had the gall to do that, let me ring the manager.
Ring ring...
Ragnar: Hello.
RM slams down phone
Of course a heterosexual white male had to answer the phone.
Ring ring
David/Virtuoso: Hi...
RM: you owe m-
Virt slams phone down
That's his gay privilege.
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@Barney
I recommend not trying anymore. Give up and get the guy who actually engineered this ban and who is ranked above you to actually say a single word rather than hide behind you for blamelessness.
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@SirAnonymous
How does it help to not accuse malice where there is malice? Should I assume them to be incompetent and stupid instead of malicious?
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@Barney
What I did to seldiora isn't even remotely harassment, I was swearing at the vote being allowed not even at anyone lmfao. One incident? That is targeted harassment?
What about getting others to do so at my behest? When did I do that?
What happened to the multi accounting or doxxing? Dropped them? Realised he gave amnesty on top of them being lies? Thought so.
You have a series of false accusations that you're trying and failing to paint a brush over with rhetoric. The people liking your posts are not agreeing with you, they're just not thinking about it.
What about getting others to do so at my behest? When did I do that?
What happened to the multi accounting or doxxing? Dropped them? Realised he gave amnesty on top of them being lies? Thought so.
You have a series of false accusations that you're trying and failing to paint a brush over with rhetoric. The people liking your posts are not agreeing with you, they're just not thinking about it.
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@Intelligence_06
Because what's slipping the mind of you and every other sheep upvoting Ragnar's trash posts is that I was good, I obeyed every rule and they invented wrongdoing to justify a ban.
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Harassment is defined by the actions, not just if it's successful in causing harm.
This is a core and deeply disturbing disagreement between us on the matter. Now that you have said this, I understand a lot more about not just you but why you can't begin to grasp why I didn't deserve my ban or why you were wrong on every count.
Harassment is entirely defined by how harassed the victims feel. It is actually worse when it's done in a way that's hard to report or frame as a crime based on the actions being so subtle and non-severe in appearance that the harasser gets away with it again and again.
I did not harass anyone on this website, especially not in a repeated manner of any kind. You told me to back off from people when? Whenever you did, I did. I am an upstanding, brilliant example of how to use this website and that is why I am quitting it until a leader who more coherently and morally applies rules is in place. I just have a debate to finish.
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Now that it has become clear that Ragnar relies solely on witty rhetoric and avoidance of literal laid out point-by-point decimation of the reasons I was banned, I can happily leave the site permanently until the community either grows sick of the corruption and overthrows these crooks in charge or I enjoy a life free of this utter bullcrap.
I just wanted to show the level of ignorance and 'hehe I can link the thread where I dodged you and people ganged up on you and the guy I said you harassed asked to not ban you and I went ooopsie'.
I'm done here, I did what I had to in order to totally and utterly expose the cowardice and corruption of the chief and deputy mod. It's up to you DART to realise the problem and irrefutable injustice of my ban or not. Either way, I'm happy with this.
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Your silence speaks for itself.
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@BearMan
I know what he is saying, thank you for clarifying it. The guy who banned me said he's glad I was banned.
Now, why was I banned?
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The people upvoting Ragnar's post should actually talk. What is it he said that was true and significant?
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@Barney
Would you like to go through it one by one again? I'm happy to. This time I'll bring up the amnesty that Virtuoso promised on top of the fact he's lying.
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@Lemming
Moderators say it doesn't apply when it's about moderating matters.
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@Barney
Double standards for?
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@David
@Barney
You're scared shitless to even set foot in this thread. That's when you know I've won. I won't let this die until you address it, people won't forget the libel and defamation that occurred in what you said I did to falsely justify my ban. I will keep exposing you until you apologise.
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What on Earth did I just read? He wants you to pay tax money to pay people to have kids but is then going to turn around and be against benefits or welfare for parents who are poor.
He wants to PAY people to reproduce, to STOP abortions and then to be right-wing about the entire financial support post-birth.
Yeah, I don't even know how to explain how many levels of wrong are involved in this.
He wants to PAY people to reproduce, to STOP abortions and then to be right-wing about the entire financial support post-birth.
Yeah, I don't even know how to explain how many levels of wrong are involved in this.
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@DebateArt.com
You didn't miss me at all, it's your website and your ability to unban me.
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@Intelligence_06
Click Preview/Review Argument, then click Edit rather than Confirm. It's now saved.
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I set this up extremely fair. Supadudz's one rewards those who are online, much more. I have a waiver structure and the aeason has already begun, meaning more informed decision goes into deafting.
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@BearMan
That isn't me roasting him.
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@Intelligence_06
I'm not the one stepping on your territory. This is my thread and I am making a point about the mods, especially Virtuoso/David.
We are not equals here, you came and derailed my thread in my territory of the site where I had set out a purpose for it.
We are not equals here, you came and derailed my thread in my territory of the site where I had set out a purpose for it.
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@Intelligence_06
Every single interaction you have with people on this site is based on you attacking them, trolling them and/or being overly literal and mechanical to ignore their concerns entirely.
The list you want is not a list. I don't owe you a single reason for blocking you, I am 100% entitled to block anyone who makes me uncomfortable and this is why it's so ironic that they said I harass people. I don't do that at all, I know what harassment is and loathe it.
I find you to be toxic and that your contributions to any thread and to the site in general revolve around aggravating members in a variety of ways. I have never once seen you positively interact with members where they feel happier or more comfortable here after interacting with you. For all I know, you do that but I am stating my interpretation of you so as to justify why I block you and don't like you.
You came to the Discord server run by the forum games guys here and trolled the rules by spamming the instant you got there, saying it wasn't technically against the rules. This is just one of many examples of why I block you. There's no rigid, set list.
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@Intelligence_06
You're blocked for a lot more than that. For instance, you didn't reply to anything in this thread but just decided to aggravate me with your presence and comment.
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@David
Do not give me the cold shoulder. You're the head honcho chief moderator around these parts, face me and justify it or admit you were so bitterly and utterly wrong and apologise.
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It is very hard to make this thread without living up to the completely false depiction of me that the guy who now goes by 'David' and went by Virtuoso before, has laid out via his sock-puppet Ragnar. I am not worried about being banned for this, after all I was quite literally banned over pure lies so cleverly drawn that even an intelligent member like Discipulus_Didicit ended up mocking me when the evidence he was mocking was literally what I said it was. This goes deeper than simply abusing authority and twisting things to avoid admitting that they banned me simply for being courageous and not easy to tame, Virtuoso has lied to you throughout about his very role in moderating.
Ragnar is the alpha male of this website, so Virtuoso asked him to ban me for 6 months. I have this on good authority and while my sources remain secret, I am not afraid of the mod team interrogating some of their members to find out who told me this. It was already 100% known to me that Virtuoso was the spineless coward behind this entire thing because of something very interesting that I completely forgot to bring up in the original thread where I pointed out that all the accusations were lies:
Virtuoso promised us all when he became chief moderator that we had our slates wiped clean of any previous mishaps under the Bsh1 regime, yet 90% of the evidence they hint at or try to drag me through the mud with when called out on proof was prior to this Tabula Rasa.
On top of this, the multi-accounting, doxxing and all of it are complete and utter fabrications as I never once did them on this website.
I am not okay with my username being dragged through the mud and I am fully aware that the 'most mature' way to handle this would be to quit the site permanently without posting this thread but I had to just post this to both clear my name and make very fucking clear to 'David' that I know what he did to me and that others should be extremely weary of his backstabbing weasel who will abuse any and all trust you give to him.
I did not ever do 'targetted harassment', if any one single member came close to receiving something like that from me, it was when they'd severely bully me and/or others and I wouldn't stand for it. There are three examples given and the most severe one that remotely was something I should regret and do, it was with a user who himself was completely against my ban and told Ragnar not to ban me. This user has been in some contact with me since and we are on amicable terms so to speak. I don't know who the fuck the mods think they are but you do not just ban RM based on pure lies and think he won't tell you about all your mishaps afterwards.
- Seldiora - This is the biggest joke I have seen in a while, I am not sure what to say but Seldiora doesn't feel harassed by me. I asked a member of the website to fully ensure this was the case and I will now tell you that this member was Supadudz. It is up to him to step up to the plate and reveal the corruption and lies regarding both the 'harassment' and 'multi-accounting' which Ragnar and Chris both silenced him on and pleaded ignorant when he demanded proof.
- Lunatic and 'DuhHamburgler' - Both on amicable terms with me, were against the ban vehemently and said they did not feel harassed by me and accepted it was a 2-way exchange where I was reacting to them.
- 'Other people constantly', yeah? Like who? I can name a few and help you justify my ban better for you. Some people I did not harass but did engage with in a hostile manner on a regular basis were serial bullies Zeichen, Ramshutu and... ? Maybe Zarroette but that was very, very much me being harassed as were the other cases involved. These were members who were abusing me under the Bsh1 regime that Virtuoso explicitly promised to stand against and give us all forgiveness for what we did. I neither agreed with this 'flat out forgiveness' nor am I shocked that when it suited his agenda he forgot he promised that and used Ragnar as a shield to make people not realise who was going back on whose word but David, I see you man. Get some fucking balls and admit you were behind this, let's talk it out here in the open, no more shady PM chats or backstabbing yeah?
As for the idea that I multi-accounted, that's just a lie, literally. Ragnar has been lied to by Virtuoso AKA David. The latter has told the former that me, the guy who single-handedly exposed Sparrow for being Type1 because I let mods be privy to information and clues in what Sparrow was rapping and debating about (as well as his typing style) that he was the user Type1 who he ended up not just using a sock puppet to abuse verbally with but exchange votes, wins/losses etc. I am apparently the guy who later on 'arranged' with the guy I had exposed to the mods to feed me free wins. I cannot even being to explain how utterly irrational you must be to conclude this but furthermore where is the proof?! I happened to be online when Type1 made an alt and posted some debates about veganism vs raw meat or whatever else and I knew it was Type1 based on that, so I admit I accepted the debates knowing it was him. Then the mods banned the account (which I told them was him) and then what? What are they saying? Make it clear.
As for the last thing, I apologise to Ramshutu for the perceived threat. In technicality I literally asked him permission, he even gave it and I still kept asking permission at which point the chief moderator Bsh1 told me that this was not the thing to be doing and I never did anything. I am sorry for the distress but do I like Ramshutu? Well no, however I do take back what was said. I am sorry for being potentially abusive to someone I severely resent. The resentment doesn't justify my loss of self-control. I did not actually lose self-control in actions but in speech I somewhat did. I am aware that the line is important and true anger management would mean I'd be controlling my words, I do that but sometimes it is indeed healthy to get things 'out there'. Regardless, Ramshutu and I no longer have bad blood between us and that's largely in part due to him opting out of using the website which he made very clear by saying 'hi' when I got banned.
Let's see what Virtuoso says to this because trust me, I think him and I confronting one another is long overdue. No Ragnar, No voting moderator that got promoted out of nowhere to site moderator 'MisterChris' AKA Christopher_Best, just you and me David. Come now and tell us the truth. If you want proof that he explicitly promised the clean slate upon being crowned Chief Moderator, you need to do your own digging for the full depth and context of the promise as it was a lot of drama at once but here was the thread he mentioned it in, explicitly:
You are cornered now, if you deny what you said and try and demonise me further, I will bring up all the active good and protection I have given victimised members of this site. Don't you dare come and paint me as a villain man, just don't try.
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First week on the site, I was banned forever,
Before CoC, it was 'madman's back never',
But I planned for every possible avenue that ever could come so these haters of mine clammed together held hands in terror 'cause instead o' cowering in a corner, I came back wiser, better,
Stronger, fed up of every bitch and fella' who dared look at me the wrong way, bsh1 banned me one too many times, one slip of the tongue and it's bam; dilemma,
I even defended him as he tried to stand against the oncoming tsunami but even a genius like me cannot plan the weather,
So I welcome Virtuoso, I had backed him forever, he knew he could rely on me; RM's stone-cold don't serve no one's agenda,
You try bribe me, I snitch, you blackmail me, forget it I got contingency plans and when hell's raining down I am the umbrella,
Who in the hell thought that the very enemy of mine would be the only one to stand up to be a real G in this debator's ghetto; Hamburgler saved Madman, oh what a fiesta up in this favela,
Ragnar you thought you had a sure shot, but come suck on this glitch; your system's got an error.
V for victorious, vigilant, valiant madman who's gon' return with a vicious vendetta.
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I will just say this. Posts made mocking me, celebrating my ban, relishing in my helpless position are all noted. I do not forget. When I inevitably am the rightful ruler of this place, those that wronged me will pay the price. That is not a threat or implied anything.
When I run this place, Christopher and Ragnar will have much to answer for. Virtuoso is not clear on his position on my ban but let's see what he twists or stays true to. I will not die quietly if they want to silence me they should just do it, just ban me and stop pretending they are concerned with justice. Snakes, the lot of them, yet this rat is turning into a mongoose to their cobra antics.
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@David
@Barney
@Vader
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You know sometimes life is a sick and twisted joke. The only ones who have been nice to me or remotely open-minded during this time are the people from DDO I resented. I appreciate this experience a lot, let me know where I really stand with people and now I understand exactly what the DDO crowd were saying about DART. There is something seriously backstab-oriented about DART's social landscape.
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@Lunatic
@thett3
It's okay just relax. Even I am relaxed at this point about the ban. One thing I want to say to everyone is that I have spoke to Hamburgler on discord and I believe his story 99% now. Obviously there is a room for doubt but I definitely would believe it vs doubt it. I am sorry to all involved. I am a prick who was wrong.
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@Vader
Do you know that the accusations are lies? As in when he says I impersonate moderation, I literally didn't, same with the coordination and doxxing.
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@Lunatic
That is not the issue, unless me coming there is a condition to avoid a ban here.
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Jk Idc, I just will secure the debates against Mall.
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I am sorry for accusing the user 'bluesteel' on another website for being involved in a Con that firstly I have no concrete evidence happened and secondly could have happened with bluesteel himself as a victim of it.
I am sorry for accusing the user 'DuhHamburgler' on DART and Mikal on DDO for being involved in a Con that I have no conrete evidence happened.
I am shocked that Mikal isn't spearheading me getting banned and am infinitely more confused at what is going on and who on Earth put things in the Moderation log like that me saying a clique is braiding their hair counts as doxxing and targeted harassment when it was the first time I mentioned their clique in like 1.8 years, since I think they only came into discussion in the early days of this website.
I am sorry for my actions towards Ramshutu which while they did never involve Doxxing and while I did ask permission that when it was declined, I abided by... I understand that in my fury in a particular thread that was quoted I for once was not the victim in my battles with Ramshutu and in that instance alone, I was the bully even if who I was bullying was evil. It is undeniable that I was taunting him.
I accept these things and apologise. For the rest, I stand absolutely firm in that I've done nothing wrong.
I know how fake this seems, I would still say I don't like Mikal but... I definitely respect him, after all he is DDO's highest ranking debater and whether or not a certain vote moderator's bias helped that, I do not deny the literal work ethic and perseverance required to keep grinding the Elo. I also respect him more as a war strategist, because in this situation he sought to defend his ally rather than attack me when I'm down without any benefit to himself. I genuinely respect him for that but I do not like him and I do not trust him.
This is as honest and good of an apology as you will get from me.
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@Lunatic
I suppose in that way I'm a hypocrite yes. In fact, I do believe the fact I had to do that rather than be able to appeal to the mods themselves is definitely a sign that the system of justice here is broken.
I know that I'm an asshole in your eyes even though you say I'm not somehow at other times, however please read Ragnar's post here regarding the evidence if my harassment. Two of the examples are so wrong and not remotely targeted harassment. One was me saying your clique is braiding hair and getting manicures, I was tokd this is either lying or doxxing... Really read his post. I accept it though, you're right. I should not speak of Hamburgler any more while he's not here to defend himself. I am sorry genuinely to you, because you're actually an okay guy unlike most of your clique.
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@Lunatic
No I didn't. I didn't remotely dox him to stand up to him. I know what you may think you are referring to but if you want to kick me down at my lowest then it hardly proves I'm the bad guy.
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@Lunatic
How can I know that and how can you say that without doxxing him? Serious question. If you are allowed to use his DDO username yet I'm accused of Doxxing for referring to his DDO activity under the username, how is that just/fair?
So after he ditched it and trolled, he stayed in touch? Why did he ditch it?
So after he ditched it and trolled, he stayed in touch? Why did he ditch it?
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@Lunatic
Dude, the issue is the accusation, I didn't dox in this situation at all. Regardless, I know that appealing to you is pointless given your bias towards Hamburgler and your alliance to what I assume are my haters. I stick up to bullies but sometimes there is an accusation that I make that isn't proven true and I have to take it back. I admit it, I lack proof. I think if I am wrong it still isn't a sign of the slightest good character to ditch a place that truly saved someone from homelessness. If I am wrong and he truly was saved from it, no joke, then I am happy he was but that's where my happiness for him ends. I am getting banned regardless, I am making posts to clarify why. I accept it, I was baited into a situation with Hamburgler that has affected me badly. It is not very clear to me why it's so severe but I do admit that I made an accusation.
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I didn't dox and I was a victim in both instances of targeted harassment, Seldiora is not included. I am sorry for how angry I got at people and you can say what you want about me. At this point it's just ridiculous to me, that if I stick up for myself I get banned. I'm not even sure what I'm veing banned for other than the Hamburgler accusation which I am not sure is false.
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@Barney
I just hope you actually read your series of evidence and see how ridiculous some of it is. I firmly believe what I said about Hamburgler but I'm willing to apologise as I do indeed lack any concrete evidence. Same with Ramshutu
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I am not truly sorry to Hamburgler because ifbhe was totally honest, he ditched a site that saved him from homelessness, correct? If this isntbe case and he treated DDO that way after genuinely veing saved, I don't think he's entitled to call me a sociopath from any kind of high horse.
At this point I see that there are two true things I've done, one is to Hamburgler, the other to Ramshutu and both appear to involve defamation. I can say I believed wgat I typed but of it really is lies then I'm sorry and I accept the punishment. Hoqever, the things you are accusing me of go beyond that, you are treating isolated incidents as frequent behaviour. I did not harass Seldiora or dox a clique by saying they are getting manicures and braiding their hair.
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