RationalMadman

Bernie is a progressive follower, Warren is a progressive leader. I think the entire party-change and show of self-made reasoning and extreme eloquence in justifying hatred for Trump and most of what Republicans stand for, highlights what a thouroughly well-developed Democrat she is. You talk as if she just jumped ship yesterday, actually being a diehard Democrat is less admirable than being able to justify why you are one to begin with.

"People just have rights y'know, they need the rich's money because they are sleeping on the street and the rich are so rich and therefore the rich are wrong." Meanwhile a dog who is more useful than many humans to society is starving on the street but because of the species it's born, Bernie doesn't give a fuck, where did 'rights' go then?

Warren understands realism, she comprehends how to have fluid pragmatism still match rigid idealism. There is genuinely no American prominent politician other than her who will fully answer all questions you hit her with, straight up, no fucking around. She literally answers them, doesn't dodge EVER. I love it, you can love your squinting 'everything I say matters because the poor are poor and therefore I am your hero' Sanders. I'll stick with the woman who will actually get things done for the poor, the environment and basically every good thing that politics should fight for.

Sorry, I forgot to block you.

I'll think for a while on it, for now my Itachi edit will do.

You're stating the total opposite of the truth. Mormonism is nearly outlawed in almost all Western European because of how extreme it is to brainwash children into, Jehovah's Witnesses are only kept legal if they don't disturb the local community too much. You are barely ever raised to be any particular 'branch', the most 'branchy' thing you're raised is either Catholic (yes, okay) or the Baptist variant of Protestant. Mostly it's just mumbo jumbo, 'one god many forms love all religions' and that's great. It solves many conflicts and is why Europe, on its west, is basically the best continent to live on, politically speaking. Australia certainly is a close second but if you know enough specifics, Australia is pseudo soc-dem, they are basically much more right-wing than Soc-Dem is supposed to be, in subtle ways and bylaws etc. Canada of course qualifies, but there is a very right-wing movement in it that's gaining momentum, so time will tell how long that lasts.

Well, Mormonism is legal but raising your children directly into it, with the polygamy and other shit they do is banned. Actually, I don't see what's wrong with consensual polygamy, but that's because I'm Pagan, not Christian.

I mean I can easily find a werewolf that looks like a rat and play on the 'ratman' thing but I loathe images that truly terrify or display a lack of elegance. Perhaps... A vampire would do...

10 steps ahead of you, but I can probably find something spookier.

I love it when American Christians talk shit about European Christians. Do you realise who colonised the Americas?

God codes reality in binary, there's only 1 and 0 in God's logic.

 

1 = is

0 = is not

God controls the fluctuation of what is and is not at any given time. God is enslaved to time but can make things inside the 'true time' shift back in time if she pleases (yes God is a she if you didn't know, it has to be a mother to reality by default).

I do actually think that in terms of 'how often they do crime' that indeed the poor, whatever race they be, do it the most and get genuinely caught the most (not just unfairly convicted the most). That is, however, ignoring the reason for it. Let's ignore how much money plays a factor in how good a law firm you get to work to defend you in America, just to be clear on what could be different:

In Commonwealth nations the one who does the 'talking' is either yourself or a publically funded barrister, this is unable to be hired by you as such but yes indeed, there's ways to pull strings and get yourself the best one if you're rich and influential enough, basically what you pay for is all the behind the scenes work, the idea is that money can't gain you an advantage once already inside the court room for speaking more or less eloquent English or knowledge of the Law as all Barristers are experts both at speech eloquence and Law, but I don't deny there still is entire monetary advantage considering how much better background work will be done by the best solicitors out there vs the laziest). 

I don't actually care about this when I consider myself a Progressive, this is actually not the real issue when discussing crime and the poor. The reason why the poor do actually do so much more crime is not only the most obvious thing ever (I'll go into the other reason in the next paragraph, for now here is the obvious reason); the most people in any nation's classes are the poor to lower-middle class, so population-wise to compare the crime-rate percentage of overall crime between the race that happens to be the wealthiest vs the poorest is idiotic. You see, if you compared redneck-types or their rivals; antifa-types, you'd see that poor and lower-middle whites have a lot of crime, be it more 'organised' as in Mafia and Gangs, or dispersed. In fact, if it comes down to organised crime, the two races associated with lowest crime rate (whites and 'yellow' Asians) are actually consistently are the most deep-penetrating, sophisticated and therefore devastating organised crime bringers to the world as a whole. Whether we are talking UN-level corruption or your local alcoholic thugs, they have a whole range of crime but because they happen to be amongst the richest in the US, their race can say that much less of their race do crime and here is why:

Crime is not only much more optimal, the poorer you are, to get anything worthwhile in life (materialistically), but it also becomes much harder to cover up or work out ways to 'edge yourself' to the very edge of what's legal vs illegal so that you're on the right side of the line in the sand. From getting medical marijuana to begging a loan shark to get you out of a debt that banks don't want to risk on you, being poor gets you dragged into a world of 'sure, you can get what others have for themselves and their close ones, but that material-stimulated pleasure comes at a cost'. With services things are a bit simpler; you can settle for a shit service and suffer through the shit quality, but when it comes to trading goods, it's much harder to settle for something that is so bad you don't get the intended outcome. It's not just about getting high or getting a loan that you can't afford to pay back soon enough, being poor drags you into a lot of situations that other classes never even face, just because you are among poor neighbours, friends etc. You constantly will find yourself needing to keep your mouth shut about things going on, helping a friend sober up and lying about it. If you don't participate in this local kind of 'conspiracy', either the gang kills you for beign a snitch or in less organised crime scenarios, you get a reputation, revenge etc. The problem is that when you're middle class or higher, if your neighbour literally smashes your car to pieces, you will be able to give them their just deserts legally, but if you get into beed with a neighbour and you're dirt-poor who the fuck is going to sue them for you? They'll deny it was them and the other neighbours will even lie, incriminating you, if your street cred is too low. I know you think I'm talking like someone who has never been poor, imagining what it's like, but I can tell you that what I am describing is actually real. When I told some poor people I know about it, they understood it completely and agreed. It actually fascinates me how naive and crap the street smarts of most non-poor people are, they'd actually last longer in the dog-eat-dog world of backstabbing elitism than being poor, since the Elite know how to handle stubborn people without necessarily overtly hurting them, they just make you no longer a real contender for a position of power or level of wealth. Once that's achieved, you're yesterday's news. With the world of the poor, you don't quite understand how it is unless you've truly exposed yourself to the world. What I am saying is as true for a teenage girl who is not involved in any sluttiness or gangs, as much as it's relevant to the forty year old guy running one. When you're in the world of the poor, you are forced to keep your head down, mouth shut and participate at the very least by obstructing justice subtly, at many points. Sometimes the only pleasure you even can fathom in that life is a little high now and again, which gets you dragged into more crime.

Bernie Sanders literally (not metaphorically) believes it's evil to be rich and that you should be punished for it via taxation. He actually literally states this (the right-wing Libertarians love that he does it because it highlights an envious cynical version of the Left). Warren is a realist, she constantly states that taxation simply is the necessary evil to get the greatest good and seeks to balance it so it's fair on everyone, even the rich it just is that they have much more to spare. She wouldn't tax the rich nearly as highly as Sanders, but Sanders wouldn't either... The guy's all talk.

I have never once, not even for a single speech, seen Bernie speak eloquently or even in coherent logic regardless of grammar and points.

He seems to just state random things as 'rights' and things that don't suit his taste as 'not something I wanna go into, that's just bad bad' kind of childish logic.

Her changing from Republican to Democrat is actually an extremely admirable thing. Shows she actually saw for herself the flaws of the right-wing bullshit, despite every pressure from family and friends to keep believing it.

No, not everything. He actually has no clear solution to gun crime (won't even admit he's pro gun control in any explicit sense) is an irrational 'big banks are bad oh no!!!! Let's bankrupt USA!' poster boy for everything naive about the far left.

What whites do to blacks is usually legal 'on the edge' stuff or illegal but very borderline as well. It revolved originally around blatant discrimination, glass ceilings and all that, later it's become subtle but you're right if we are discussing black people having mobility between classes in the US, that's achieved today... it's just that it is only achievable at least 3 generations down the line because what's snowballing at the moment is starting them off equal in life to begin with. If the education, healthcare accessibility and/or quality is too severely different for the poor, be they black or white, it makes them have a brutal uphill battle in life.

I'm not one to talk of being a coward in the face of adversity. Me being me, I've been bullied my whole life and when I say bullied I don't just mean at school or by one individual alone. I understand that making 'excuses for your failure' is a toxic mentality to have and makes you fight for something other than your success, but the fact of the matter is that not everyone is as headstrong as the select few 'real grit-sturdy' beings like me and some others. Most humans hate self-reliance, they like teamwork and sharing and all of that stuff. That's fine and I fully accept that not everyone is wired how I am (after all, not understanding that I'm wired differently is the very ignorance that led to bullying me in the first place so I'd be a real hypocrite to ignore it in others). 

For the social beings, life is less about learning things themselves, fighting for their own worth etc, it's much more about supporting others in an overall big 'fight'. This mentality is common and had to be. The self-reliant types like me are rare. For whatever reason, despite us overall being superior competitors in a standalone sense, we were significantly outcompeted in the genepool by the teamwork-type humans. This is more than just extroverts vs introverts, even most introverts (which already are a 20-80 minority approximately) themselves like to fight for a cause that matters to them anyway, so they end up caring as well. 

It would simply be too ignorant of human nature and our species' majority wiring to go and say 'everyone fight for your own worth'. To begin with, anarcho-capitalism can't work because within 3 generations (the same amount of generations as it takes to fully defy apartheid), an Illuminati forms in the society. This bloodline-based coalition comes from original good competitors favouring friends and family above the truly competent. The nepotism then results in those with power and influence to be people who rarely ever actually deserve it and who are terrified of being outcompeted by genuinely superior beings at their tradescraft, so they work hard to inhibit them (rather than to be maximally proficient at what good they produce or service they provide). This is then why we constantly need a reshuffle, to even out the competition. 

It happens to be that most poor people, racially, in America, are of the 'black' race of human. That occurance then has led to deep, MULTIPLE generation-long snowballing of unfair advantage vs disadvantage. The children are usually improperly fed so their brains, even if they had the genes to become Einstein or Tesla, don't actually properly lead to genius brain development. This improper feeding is both due to lack of knowing what's good for one's child as well as lack of funds to get good food, since so much money is going out to the parents' healthcare etc, the children's same thing, bills, debts for loans that they had to take just to cope and all the rest. On top of that the parents are dead tired and sometimes need the 'good food' for themselves as it is a net-benefit to their family to have them fed well at times, in order to not cramp up at work and lose their physically demanding job.

If you can't accept that there's such a brutal snowball advantage that happens to mostly favour whites, you are simply ignorant of the statistics and reality.

What about him?

Let's say I'm totally wrong and he's just a genuine Leftist candidate. His views are so idealistic and impractical that I don't like his agenda anyway.

Not really, no. He's superficial and it's not racist to assume he's got an agenda regarding allying the US to Taiwan and other Asian nations, because his family have ties to such businesses. This also would explain why he wants to get rid of automation, since one of the major ways that such nations dominate the world is to be willing to use women, children and general populace to severe degrees in shit working conditions, as well as trading manual labour workers to the US on a very enslaved contract where if they talk about it, they know their family will be hurt back home.

You see, automated manual labour would destroy the entire monopoly China (and other nations like Indonesia and Taiwan) have on cheap, human-abusing labour. This is very likely why it's a prominent thing he's spearheading. Making the US economy go to shit with UBI is just a cherry on the cake.

I could be wrong, I am aware of that. This is not racism, it's culturalism and recognising family ties and who is funding him, supporting him etc.

What do you expect from such redneck types? Of course they dislike Warren, she speaks the social democratic truth.

You are unblocked, by the way.

Honestly, I have waited so fucking long to hear Americans say things like this. It's so obviously true but until Warren, they've all tiptoed or justified things very irrationally.

I will show you a diss.

I will show you all a diss. Let me just link to this thread: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/924/raps-by-darters It is posted under the conditions provided here.

I usually hold back but you have pushed me over the edge and I'm in a bad fucking mood.

Gatorade you're a drink that nobody ever thinks of when the word 'energy' comes up, fill a sink,

Down the drain worthless liquid, drink more bleach less of yourself or get a shrink,

'Cause you killed your own account and legacy here, and in the blink of my all-seeing eye I saw through your bullshit and sold you like a pimp.

Virtuoso knew about you before you trolled bsh, yes I was a snitch, and yes I left our chances at winning that debate deep in a ditch,

But if you're getting suicidal then my final verdict's I don't give a single fuck about a win if you can't float with me as captain then swim with fish.

You think you know about flow, man my syllables are wholesome, you're a pogo-hopping no-show, I'm the act whose medal's golden,

What? You think you can just throw up stuff and tear my ego a new hole? If you wanna poke an angry lion, then you better not run slow, son,

I'm wondering how in the hell you thought I was a goal, dunce, telling me I lost fifty when against you I'm 1-and-0, runt.

You can't even fathom the massive effort it takes to go one hundred and eight two times, no matter how hard you choke under the pressure of the pleasure-seeking sadists that want you to sit when they say sit, roll over for voters, 

You think if I had your score that I'd shut my account down and mope? Fucking hell, I would be putting in the hours 'till my finger tired of the typing and my eyes and brain are so strained, feeling broken.

You don't know about grit, pussy preying on this rodent, I'm the rat to scavenge and prevail when the black plague hits your soul, punk.

Been here longer than you've been trolling mods, I've pissed 'em off a lot more than you before, pulled off all sorts of stunts, gimmicks and yet I soar above the rest here, forevermore a storm-starting Thor, I'm the thunder bringer you've been warned, so how dumb of you to get struck with this lightning bars from the stars through your body to the floor!

This is real lyricism, what you're spitting's like a snore, I produce better when I'm sleeping; sounds more like a mighty ROAR!

I'm awake now, what you're reading is nothing short of a flawless corps of marines ready to bash in your door and fight an immaculate war.

No idea why you're being so nasty to me but you can get blocked and fuck off. Don't ever talk to me that way again.

I think it's meant to be someone like this: 

I think this should be your campaign video

You are trolling and advertising. If anyone filled the form and sent it to you, you'd have a lot of personal information on them, this is fraud.

so is telling someone that you reported them.

Chill pills are for the losers. Look at what Billbatard just posted above this one.

You came to a site to write about what's right,

To fight for your opinion, stand by its side with pride,

But the sun inside you flickered weakly and the things that you let slide weren't enough to weather the storm of the tornado you hide,

You're struggling with puzzles, keep your muzzled anguish from seeing light,

You'd rather everyone thought you sane, than the pain that comes with burning bright...

Just conform to the norm and blend in, mimic dirty tactics, and practice bending the rules until all the fools start spending time and effort giving you wins, you're fending for the same thing you came to the site to escape...

The inability to express your real thoughts and debate,

You end up even more trapped and perhaps it's just your fate,

To post raps and traps and cat a mouse until you fuckin' break,

Even when you trap 'em the voters punish you for their mistake,

Where the fuck's the justice in this game? Grudges hold strong; new account... Even dirtier slate...

Don't worry Club, I promise you the brutality isn't just there for you it's for anyone with originality,

This website is designed for only ordinary views to be recycled viciously; sidestep and get abused,

This aint a fair game, play nice get bruised, play too mean and you get vampire voters sipping your blood for juice,

Burn bright Club, stay unique and let what seems pathetic here in the real world get used,

You're a beautiful competitor that's worth something a lot more than Rating and Views.

So would I, did you think we disagree there?

This is inciting mass murder, it is unacceptable.

in your mind as opposed to reality.

Aliens are not like the ones in the images you find. Those images are actually based on how chimpanzees look vs us. 

Aliens in reality, take up forms while really being ethereal beings outside the simulation having an avatar inside that they see fit to use.

Leaderboards are one of many means of 'measuring' oneself. To be highest on the leaderboards as is means you're a coward pandering to the voters. I'll get there eventually by tactical grinding but that's hardly the entirety of how to outgrit, outdo and outsmart on this website.

Street cred and much else all will end up favouring me as time goes by. You're the latest fad around here Ramshutu, I am the eternal legend.

You can taunt, intimidate and gang on me all you want, I am the one to outgrit, outdo and outsmart.

I'd end up in Ravenclaw but have a lot of Slytherin in me.

It was a joke, you are the one making it nasty.

No Ragnar. I never admitted to that at all. You bullied me from the very beginning by saying 'second' and I asked what you meant by 'second'. You were the bad guy throughout this thread.

No. They are not just as bad.

In trying to humilate me into silence, you instead have exposed yourself for the sadistic bully that you really are.

You have lost this no matter what now.

This is the final straw, you are unfriended and blocked. Bullies do not belong on this website, let alone my friends list.

And still they are better than you at voting.

You all think that you know what goes into a good vote. Whiteflame on DDO was corrupt and too lenient due to serving Max's Libertarian agenda. He himself knows how to vote extremely well.

I will tell you something that you all should know; voting on this website is corrupt. I can basically show any level of comprehension of anything in the debate, then ignore explaining how one point tears to shreds 20 others and just say 'these points were great and relevant to the resolution in my eyes while these weren't.' 

It's that easy. The reason I don't do it, not that I could admit to doing it intentionally if I did, is that the concept of revenge-voting and the amount of people out to get me (including the vote moderators) means it's optimal for me to be very passive and has been for nearly my entire time on this website. The reason passivity is optimal for me, is that the few fans I have or consistent voters who loathe me but don't entirely mind me winning some debates here and there, are all willing to be rewarded with my passivity. If you are curious how I tested if aggression in any form (forums, voting, comments etc) affects people voting against me, I probably won't tell you unless I trust you a lot. What I found out is very valuable information to someone trying to climb ranks here, some innately realised it and secretly manipulate, compliment and avoid clashing with people both in terms of stances and attitude. This is why oromagi, ramshutu and ragnar all have pretty identical enemies and allies by now despite originally having much more individualistic and nuanced stances and allegiances on the website and its userbase.

If you'd like to know about blamonkey and whiteflame, they are the only users of debate websites that I've ever met other than myself, who truly grasp how burden of proof work. They calmly sit and analyse the battle over fundamental BoP but what makes both so strong is that on top of that they grasp how the normal human being perceives information, alters bias, trusts sources etc. They manipulate voters better than me due to researching other formal debaters, seeing what worked and didn't work well with simpleton audiences and then emulating the best parts while discarding the things that didn't have a surefire audience satisfaction. 

Whiteflame is actually superior to blamonkey at debating, for now at least, because he's evolved his tactics to accumulate information in formal debating on standard topics to push through into less normal topics and such. Blamonkey has the potential to do this too, but is playing it safe. You haven't seen either of them at their full potential yet, they are playing it medium-core on this website so far.

When both of these users reads my debates, if they vote against me I am explained in full why I lost. I learn from it and improve. Every single other user on all debate websites on the Internet who in any way was prominent, votes through some blurred vision glasses that can't comprehend the BoP or whatever. They will randomly say some things were good, others were bad. Whether that be points raised, ways of explaining, sources used or whatever.

Whiteflame and Blamonkey both can see when one point annihilates 20. This is because they grasp BoP in its true form. I am yet to meet another equal or superior than them on these websites, at debating, and honestly this website is just a joke at this point with the votes that get through.

Fame is for haters to hate the famous person. Real fans love you regardless of fame but haters only hate you if you're in any way famous. This is a secret that very few realise.

I do not care about fame, it is what it is. You can just as easily go down a hero as a villain in the stories written and pictures painted by victors and descendants. Focus on just 'doing you', let the rest flow.

You may argue that a lifelong grudge can form over someone who isn't famous. Obsessive grudges revolve around the idea that in the grudge-holders' head, you are highly famous, valued and known as a hero etc.

I'm not saying some Buddhist 'nothing material matters' either. Aim to be rich but not famous, the heads of Illuminati all are this. That's why you know barely any of them, yet they own your life's options, path and outcome nigh-completely.

When you say lost to crossed, it was Ramshutu who was the sole voter there. Also, it's easy not to lose to crossed when you've only vs'd him twice on really easy topics.

You are just an arrogant supremacist who thinks he has the right to determine who does and doesn't deserve things, earn things and feel pride.

I earned my medals, I feel proud of them. You can shut the absolute fuck up about any opinion you have of me or talk to yourself in a corner about it. Don't walk around loud and proud like you're some 'truer earner' of the medal. You are the third to earn it, that's objective proof. You're busy telling me I suck at math, you're confusing third for second and that's worse than a math error; it's ego in defiance of objective truth.

Ron is actually definitively the most intelligent of the three in terms of IQ and creativity. In the books Ron is your typical ginger geek. He loves chess, can't stand the monotony of curriculum-restricted lessons and dislike school because he is too smart for it, often acing exams etc with ease. In fact, Ron is one of the main reasons why teams-of-2 in potions class doesn't fail Hermione, who is crap at the practical element of study (he carries her and this is a major reason they end up falling in love by the seventh book, an entire snowball of bonding that's eliminated from the movies).

In the movies, they actively change events so severely so that the first movie falsely shows Ron panicking and getting cocky afterwards while they are stuck in that plant, when in the book he is actually helping the other 2 work out the incantation(s) and method to get them out of the plant. In the movies, after that, Ron plays chess and sacrifices himself but in the movies it's after the chess match that he totally annihilates without any unnecessary sacrifice (the sacrifice was necessary in order to win, no choice about it), that Hermione ends up having to choose between taking a potion that will get her back to Ron so that the move where he gets hurt (which isn't his fault) so he can avoid the pain or take another potion that will allow Harry to pass to the next stage and meet Lord Voldemort, at the price of Ron getting hospitalised from the fall from the Knight-piece. In the movies, it is almost like Ron's bad chess strategy lands them in that scenario and that he's a burden to them, whereas in the books he tells Hermione that he knew this was how it would end form early on in the match and was very willing to take the fall.

As the books evolve, you get to see that this Einstein-esque 'scruffy looking but very clever' genius was put in Gryffindor, rather than Ravenclaw, more out of the same choice made under the hat's pressure that Harry made in order to get put there rather than in Slytherin. In other words, Ron chose to be put in Gryffindor rather than Ravenclaw in the same way that Ginny, who clearly belongs in Hufflepuff, chose to be put in Gryffindor. Ron isn't brave, he isn't dumb and is so far from the goofy oaf that's portrayed on screen that it actually shocked me how badly they could fuck up the portrayal of such a major character in the series.

Ron was actually the cool-headed one of the three, in the books. In the movies he's the most volatile and emotionally driven. The only time that Ron makes an emotional decision in the books is when he leaves Hermione and Harry in the seventh book. Mostly, he's a smooth talking, level-headed suave geek. He also is the most cunning of the three, which is also not portrayed in the movies, they actually give him a sense of naivety and cuteness that is extremely anti-Ron from the books. Ron is very close to the Malfoys in his general demeanour in the books, that sort of cold, almost snobbish charisma. Like he is a general 'prick' but pulls it off well and draws people in with the confidence, the closer they get to him.

If you are curious of the reason that Ron is definitely supposed to be this way, as opposed to the way he's portrayed in the movies. it's because he was the 'serious one' out of the sibilings he grew up with. Percy was the 'serious one' but was leaving the household as Ron began to mature. His father didn't mind the 'silliness' of the others but his mother really liked him a lot, because he was a down to Earth guy she felt understood the core Weasley values (think left-wing values, that's basically what their family stands for even thought it's an elitist bloodline). While being left-wing in general, Ron was most certainly Libertarian (much like myself he saw no reason to give one up for the other) and believed authority to be almost innately corrupt, especially when it tries to tell you one way to do things (whether make a potion or solve a mystery) is correct when other ways are available.

It was Ron, in the books, who helps them realise who the philosopher's stone belongs to and why. Hermione identifies the 'who' as in linking it to the guy but Ron helps them realise it's an immortality gem by being very strongly involved in the conversation. In the movies Dumbledore tells Harry on the bed, whereas in the books Harry had already worked it out with Ron and Hermione and Dumbledore simply nods his head in essence.

Trump is a fucking joke, not the funny kind.

I imagine bsh1 singing dark horse into his mirror at least twice a week.

Sanders identifies as a Democratic Socialist. His ideas are the most appealing to Communists out of all prominent candidates in both this and last election. That is the point I was making.

The fact Warren jumped Parties at the sake of her own political prowess speaks volumes for her integrity. She saw the corruption within them and moral reprehensiveness in their outlook and changed allegiances due to that. Her career stagnated and took heavy hits due to this jump, it's by a lot of luck that she's ended up where she is, more so than any overall strategy.

No they are not. They are Social Democracies that lean more towards Capitalism than towards Socialism.