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@AustinL0926
Also look at their interactions with each other. They are bussing each other in some of the dumbest ways possible. RM scumreading Pie for tagging him when he already voted, Pie scumreading RM for not paying attention to the # of vanillas (how tf is that a scumslip?) RM is also acting a lot softer than normal compared to his usual town play, I would've expected him to act more aggro on Pie.
I read this before and didn't really feel any of it needed addressing.
I actually think since joebob somehow has been convinced by your 'evidence' that you're missing something.
Why would I go any more aggressive DP1 on Pie than I did? Given the time constraints and fact I scumread 7kseries too what reason did I have when 7kseries is voting me to put myself in jeopardy because of a read I had? I outed the read, town had the info, were alerted to the slip I spotted, the democracy of the others led to the reality of it being 7k vs me 4 to 1. I was not going to fuck up and give scum or a foolish towny a chance to vote me off nor to tie votes on a day we have every reason to vote someone off.
If you may during day period 2, I have been thoroughly aggressive to Pie even prior to you posting that. I don't see how I could be more aggressive.
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@JoeBob
More evidence. Austin has shown multiple times if evidence pointing to you and either GP or Pie.
can you explain this evidence? I've read Austin's posts and don't understand why he even thinks I am scum in the first place. I think he's lying and is scum anyway but you get my point. His logic of scumreading me doesn't add up at all. He believed I was scum originally for voting Pie even though I scumread Austin too, that makes no sense.
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@JoeBob
- Pie's idea to vote Joebob and 7kseries is taken from me.
- He even mentioned me in doing so and said he wanted to vote me off, meaning he was making a (jokey) reference acknowledging my presence in the game before the mimickery.
- Later he denies he mimicked me or joined my bandwagon idea on the pair.
- Rewind, Pie forgets I am continually pressuring 7kSeries and @s me
- He tries to suggest I can 'slip' in an open setup game where everyone sees mafia are 2 members who kill 1 per night, because I told you (joebob) that 2 murderers/killers are in the game. This 'slip' can't even be from the 2 mafia who know there's 1 killer in the game but he says 'know something we don't?' type of framing. He's fillering already in DP1.
- DP2 gets going, he votes me. He does this believing 3 vanillas remain.
- If he believed 3 vanillas remained, we are yet to see why he scumreads me which turns out to suddenly be because of my logic which realised the dead person was vanilla and believe greyparrot's PM reveal had to be legitimate proof he was vanilla with me.
- Even after I state this he supposedly acknowledges his mistake and changes narrative again and again to say I slipped where I didn't. He says me not unvoting 7kseries Day 1 to vote him (Pie) is some kind of a slip when I would be risking voting off not only Town but a Power Role and even worse 7kseries already had a vote on me, it takes 2 more with 1 switching from the 7kseries bandwagon to mess that up hard and vote me off or it takes only 1 from it to make a tie on a day we had every reason to vote.
- Pie and Austin seem to know and firmly believe that Wylted reveals full Town PMs to mafia which is a strange and abusive mod tactic I haven't heard of before on here ever being done. I don't know why they think I know that or why I'd assume that GP asked what vanillas are sent, realised the lack of role wasn't Wylted fucking up what he's revealing and claimed that he had no role to make other vanillas instantly townread him. What kind of a batshit crazy gambit is that? If mafia was told 'you win with town' is what the vanilla townies were sent, within minutes of the game starting would GP as mafia assume Wylted didn't just miss out the 'you are vanilla'? Why were Austin and Pie so sure mafia were sent it?
- Austin is making very strange posts today. In one post he says GP claimed vanilla because he must think he did as in his scumchat with Pie they must be discussing things and knew what had happened with GP because they asked Wylted for the claim. Wylted telling them that told them that GP was vanilla but Austin forgot GP never yet had claimed it but literally says (claimed) in his record of the game based on rereading which means he lied about reading.
- Among those strange posts, Austin read GP saying to you he believes Austin and Pie are the team as GP saying I can't be in the team. He literally uses that as GP saying it's impossible I am scum which GP never said. Austin is lying to you and appealing to you rapidly and constantly since you out, as is Pie while I stay engaging all players because I'm still gathering data and especially since Wylted outed mafia get told mafia are sent town PMs I have to reconsider (but still believe in) my townread on GP.
- Austin asks if I believe GP isn't town, I say I believe he is still. Austin says that seals the deal but has never himself once explained why he townreads Pie.
- If you read through Austin's logic the entire day phase, he has never not even once explained why he townreads Pie because the exact same reason he scumread me originally (that I was voting Pie while saying I belive Austin is nearly 100% scum as I figured it's a 3 way vanilla cc as I thoguht GP can't out what he did as mafia) is applicable to Pie who was voting me while saying he knew Austin was scum despite simulataneously saying he didn't because he somehow both reckoned that mafia got sent Town's PMs and yet thought GP was town for what he outed and then went back on that as soon as it suited him by utter nonsensical gaslighting logic where you can't coherently follow what he believed in that regard.
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Everyone, I must go AFK for now. Will be back later and participating before DP ends but quite a bit later.
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@ILikePie5
And I pointed out that RM is the common denominator in a Austin/RM team and a GP/RM team. An Austin/GP team just doesn’t make sense at all.
an Austin GP team makes no sense why?
I want a reason a Rational GP team makes sense but an Austin GP one doesn't. Do not say because I buddied GP, I'd not be such an idiot to buddy GP that hard. GP wouldn't vote you (Pie) suddenly because I said it and to @ me at ending of DP1 as my partner, like seriously how does Rational GP make more sense while you say Austin GP makes 0.
This is just you being scum bullshitting.
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@AustinL0926
when pie was @ing people to help him pressure 7k, did he forget he'd sheeped me in the first place to pressure 7k? Did he forget to read the day period and see I was continuing to scumread 7k?
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@AustinL0926
how is it literally fluff? I laid out all the scumtells pie had minus the one i posted later which people say is an innocent mistake.
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@JoeBob
per night, yes. both can kill meaning if either is eliminated, the other can kill still.
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@JoeBob
you also don't know who is town, so i beg you to stop townreading Austin so readily.
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@JoeBob
Note that after sheeping me, Pie forgot that I was pressuring 7kseries and @d me and even said I knew something because I told you in this game 2 can kill, not 1.
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I'll find links if you wish but for some of this you need to get 'train of thought' slips to understand not just posts.
From the beginning of Pie's game, he sheeps my concept of pressuring you and 7k as 7k invited you. He continues further to pressure 7k after you react and keeps asking you quite irrelevant questions and doing irrelevant replies where mine were far more useful to you learning what to do here in my opinion (but him saying read the intro was useful had he said the right title).
this day period begins with him quickly forgetting that 7kseries is revealed vanilla as that's irrelevant to a scummember pretending. He doubles down on this saying I scumslipped. Over the next 2 posts after I expose that, he still hasn't clocked/realised it.
Pie and Austin both were so sure scum got sent Town PMs to know how to do what GP did which is that GP knew the Town vanillas weren't sent their role (as scum they claim, potentially).
I did nto believe this but Pie did, firmly, all day long. Why? Pie knew because he'd proven it already. Pie then continues to say I'm scum for ridiculous reasons. If you follow his reasoning nothing adds up, he even says i'm more confirmed to him than Austin.
It's hard to find one specific post that's him 'slipping' other than what I said earlier but you will find his thought process of never considering me Town isn't sensible at all.
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@JoeBob
can you please wait around 12 mins while i collect all the scumtells from Pie? I'll make it one long post so I can easily refer to the link in the future of this day period. It will take me time, I want to collect every single one he's made several in this DP/
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@AustinL0926
the deal on what? Do you say you scumread pie too?
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@JoeBob
Joebob do you want me to run you through why Pie is scum?
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@AustinL0926
I just realized something, but need to confirm it real quick. Do you think GP is scum?
I believe it's you and Pie. However, only because of what Wylted posted most recently I am rethinking things.
I am absolutely sure Pie has scumslipped multiple times this game.
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@AustinL0926
austin by your logic, GP and Pie can be the team, no? I don't think you're town but I'm asking you just in case. Trying to understand your logic.
The only reason i'm rethinking things is that Wylted said mafia got the town pms
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@Greyparrot
dude idk if you are even town at this point because of what wylted revealed but i am extrmeely certain of my pie read. I am asking you to please stop trolling and also talk to joe.
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@AustinL0926
gp never claimed that. read what he said, he said he reads you and pie as the team and was focusing on joebob knowing he thinks that.
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@JoeBob
Joebob you are wrong we are going to lose, what has made you sure I am mafia?
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@JoeBob
why are you remotely certain austin isn't mafia? Austin was the third vote on 7kseries day 1, the vote that really sealed the deal and got the day 'rolling'. Austin barely paid attentiont ot he game until right around 2-3 hours ago.
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@AustinL0926
??? It is universally considered terrible game design to allow Town to win through PM analysis. It completely defeats the purpose of mafia as a social deduction game.
correct.
both showing mafia how the town pms were structured is banned and any reference to the PMs is banned.
In the tryhard sites what GP did gets him kicked (from the game) a mark against him, game has to be reset and host is punished too with a 'mark' against them for forgetting to send the vanilla role.
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If you give a specific full PM you sent Town to Scum instead of just role descriptions you're sending and the structure of the PM or something on top, to Mafia, that's not allowed in any other place Mafia is hosted.
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@AustinL0926
RM has played enough games that he knows there is no way a reasonably competent mod (and Wylted may be many things, but he does have substantial mafia experience) wouldn't give a sample of town PM to scum, especially if requested. I legitimately think there's no way that RM would actually try to support this point if he was trying to help town (to the point of claiming that giving PM samples is "abusive" [post 52]).
In all other websites I've ever played mafia at that's literally bannable like you get a permaban if you as a mod/host do that. I had no idea that happens.
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@AustinL0926
Please explain why it is not possible for Pie and RM to be scum, btw.
GP did not say this he said he reads you and Pie as the team, he just didn't spell it out. I am speaking on his behalf as this is just a bs thing to ask.
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@ILikePie5
You can pressure and have the same thing happen without being a bully
I literally am just very active and pressure people often. It's the frequency that's scary and maybe 'nolife' is the meme maybe it's just I know how to use X minutes brutally efficiently over and over.
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@Greyparrot
it's plurality we have time (though Wylted saying scum got Town PMs is an issue to me hardtownreading you, Austin has done fuck all to Towntell this game and Pie has scumtold all over the place).
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@ILikePie5
idk if i am a bully but i can roll with it because aggression is important in mafia, it's the only way to make the enemy squirm and slip.
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@ILikePie5
Lmao, we know you have a big ego. And you literally filibuster the entire game
Definitely true. I also do this much more often as Town so when the ylook at those past games you asked them to look at they'll realise it's my Townplay to do this. I am aggressive as fuck but admit I'd be aggro and active even as scum. That's my style.
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@ILikePie5
You weren’t pressuring him for anything. You admitted it was random. I was the one gathering support for pressure on him
It was random turned maintained. You 'gathered support' okay, I never worry too much about that you know me by now.
I dedicate to voting the right person every game for the right reasons. That's my motto and I fucked up this game but 7kseries didn't towntell one iota so what could I do? I don't worry about gathering support, if Town is shit let them be shit. Let them always judge themselves and vote. I will make my case, they can ignore it or not, I won't just badger people to obey me.
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@ILikePie5
Also, RM to me is more of a threat objectively from my perspective. He relies on bullying you and just flooding the DP. You’re welcome to look at past games. I’m really beginning to reconsider if you’re the last scum or GP is but in either scenario, RM is definitely scum from my POV which is why I am voting him
I just realised this post is a red flag as hell.
That's how I 'bully' mafia as Town many games, much more often than as Scum.
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@JoeBob
Pie is very obviously scum because he's been using logic that doesn't make sense most of this day period and day 1 forgot I was already pressuring 7kseries with him.
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@JoeBob
So there is one murder or whatever you call it, and one diff role. So two mafia. I 100% think rational is a mafia, purely based on the fact that no one attacked him the night I protected him. But they went for earth. Earth questioned why to pressure 7k or me, which rational suggested. Now about whether it’s you or the other two is a different story. I’m going to back off for now and let it unfold but my vote right now is on rational.
I kind of wanted to be killed NP1 I can't lie. Wanted both PRs alive.
Also was down to carry if alive (this is the right way to be).
Earth didn't vote 7kseries who died, I predict this is why mafia killed him off, I know GP also didn't but they felt Earth was somehow the better kill. GP did out something that to me as a vanilla told me instantly he's vanilla, now it turns out mafia knew what vanillas were sent so idk what to think of in that sense but they if Austin and Pie, knew GP was vanilla so avoided killing him for that reason.
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I am still definitely voting Pie then but will rethink GP. I think GP is bussing Pie if GP is scum.
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the Town are all three voting the mafia member.
there are 2 memebers but they can only vote 1 together in a day
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@JoeBob
Yes I did. I have clearly said I scumread him at ending of Day 1 and why.
I also knew if Pie ended up being a bodyguard claim and instead Austin or you counterclaimed me for Vanilla other than GreyParrot, I'd then either switch to you or join in voting between bodyguards anyway.
The reason we can't just hand the hammer to GreyParrot is because this is plurality lynching and the mafia can last-second switch votes. It is extremely important that the Town are all three voting the mafia member.
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@JoeBob
Thing is Austin has a point. If you 100% know that Austin is scum then why did you vote Pie at the end? If you just voted Austin then you wouldn’t be having that conversation with pie. Unless I’m missing something which I probably am.
GP is definitely vanilla because he outed something early in Day Period 1 that only a vanilla can know in this game.
Wylted forgot to send vanillas their roles. I know this as I'm a vanilla and I asked Wylted what my role was and he told me he doesn't consider vanilla a role.
I instantly knew GP was Town and vanilla because of what he outed.
7kseries is dead and is vanilla.
Pie and Austin both claim my role. I know it's both of them now.
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@JoeBob
. If you 100% know that Austin is scum then why did you vote Pie at the end?
at the end of what?
I know it's Austin only after Austin claimed my role.
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@ILikePie5
Okay so you’re the tiebreaker. Who out of RM and me is mafia. Cause it can’t be both of us.
It can literally be both of us. You are lying to him about what logic to use. To Joebob you and I can both be scum.
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@ILikePie5
It doesn’t based on what you quoted. I’m simply telling you my POV of how you and GP could be scum with or without Wylted telling you PM structure
You have slipped so many times DP1 and DP2 that I am not rethinking you being scum but I am asking you this to expose your flawed thinking to others:
Can you state very clearly why I am more confirmed to you as scum than Austin in any shape or form? You claimed this was the case. I asked you and you diverted it.
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@JoeBob
Yea I’m bodyguard. I protected Rational. I had a feeling that he would be attacked. Which he didn’t.
While I appreciate that, you have no counterclaim to your role and nobody to convince, so it would help more if you would clarify along the lines of interrogating Pie, Austin and myself.
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@ILikePie5
so GP is some next level mod psych genius and you're telling me mod psych doesn't matter all at once?
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@ILikePie5
what even is a generic Town PM? For GP to do what he did there he'd have to have gotten an exact vanilla PM otherwise 'win with the Town' would not be fakeable as he'd assume they were sent role too.
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@ILikePie5
I am not lying, you're making that up and I have always believed in analysing the game for mod limitations.
Mod psych is how if I was PR I'd realise what GP had outed. IF the mod was Lunatic I would not remotely assume he would not send vanillas their role, I'd assume it was a fuck up on a specific player.
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@ILikePie5
Lmao this is firstly WIFOM. Second using PM structure is borderline cheating if one party knows and the other doesn’t. Every mod ive played with including Wylted in the past would give the information
that would mean he's helping the mafia cheat, that's my point.
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@ILikePie5
you pulled that 90% out of your ass, I know it works on a site like this because mods are sloppy. On sites where mods are seasoned pros you can assume an apparent modslip is often them knowing that others know they'd say X regardless.
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@ILikePie5
RM is more confirmed scum to me than you from my POV.
How is that even remotely possible to claim?
I can't be more confirmed scum to you than Austin, not in any world is that even possible to be true.
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@AustinL0926
Unconfirmed:GP: Vanilla (claimed)Pie: Vanilla (claimed)RM: Vanilla (claimed)
GP did not actually claim vanilla this entire game yet but I am sure in your mafia chat you have regarded him as a vanilla for a while now so you forgot to check that before posting this.
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@JoeBob
There is only one possible thing you can be at this point. It's up to you to out it or not, I am definitely not voting you.
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