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Actually I realised an error, I don't nullread Joebob, I do weakly townread him.
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Preface read: I think if I wasn't me I'd nullread myself but that's because RM is very hard to read. He could be this proactive as scum just as easily as town.
GP: outed something that makes me hard townread him even though it was stupid to out. Won't explain more until day 2.
Ilikepie5: Seems to be aggressive but barely participated. Aggressive is Town Pie but not really backing it up with proper interrogation or pushing harder for a longer period is scum pie.
Joebob: this user is nonsense posting constantly. To constantly do this and keep on replying is how noobs usually play Town even though it seems scummy. Scum noobs tend to just lurk and go quiet instead or to aggressively get agitated by the one asking the questions.
7kseries: the only contribution this guy did is to vote me for voting him but instead of admitting that, said it was a gut read and literally that is is his only contribution. The reason I scumread this is that it was the only action taken, it's one of those 'seem very passionate and active and get the heat off me' moves a lazier scumplayer would do (vs what a more high effort one would do). I can potentially see Town doing this if they're new to mafia though and have no self-awareness as to how this looks to others or how useless this is for game progress.
Austin: Similarly to 7kseries, it's not the filler post in itself, it's that that's the only thing Austin did. Laziness leans most players to scum, unless proven otherwise (some people try harder as scum, other are equal as both).
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I wonder why bella3sp didn't rebuke my posts.
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Trolling for incels Bella?
You can defend this topic and get a lot of pussy, defend this topic and have gay sex (obviously it would even fit the topic) and defend this topic and be voluntarily celibrate.
There is no correlation between this topic and incel culture actually, they rarely think men are that great at all.
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@WyIted
there are several things men are superior at beyond sports, idk what context is being asked but you can argue for it, you are wrong that noone will say it or defend it.
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@JoeBob
Reason 2
It's plurality lynching, at the end of the day the person with majority votes dies no matter what. This isn't every game but specific to this game. That means we all have to vote in theory as no-lynch is overridden if it's a 2v1v4 and the 4 are NLthe 2 dies as far as i understood
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@JoeBob
Reason 1
7-2 = 5
3v2 is still not a lost game.
7 -1 = 6
the saving role in this game dies if it saves. This means we have 5 or 6 at day 2 unless mafia are genuinely insane and don't kill night 1.
6 people alive mean the last action taken was a night kill. This means that if we keep nl and mafia keep nk (nokill) we are at an impasse where town get forced to act or everyone loses (or town lose depending how the host/game-mod AKA wylted does things).
6 is a bad number to lynch in, since if we hit town, we lose anyway as much as with 5 and if we hit mafia, we are at the same situation with 4 alive unless the investigative role is around with the bodyguard still (since mafia will have counterclaimed one of them probably while being lynched day 2 to force a cc).
6 is a bad number to lynch in, since if we hit town, we lose anyway as much as with 5 and if we hit mafia, we are at the same situation with 4 alive unless the investigative role is around with the bodyguard still (since mafia will have counterclaimed one of them probably while being lynched day 2 to force a cc).
All of this added together means it's suboptimal not to risk lynching a towny day 1 since we have to try.
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@AustinL0926
'I'm mafia and going to say something to seem I am participating but avoid going after anybody at all and blend in'
could be how you play town too but I suspect you.
7kseries instantly voting the person who led on him and saying nothing else is scummier though.
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@AustinL0926
Whiteflame is an overrated voter that is all I will say.
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@JoeBob
okay. Your friend who invited you readsme as scum and is voting me (based on 'gut' if he's Town that's true if he's scum he's making it up).
This is a read.
The inverse of a read is a tell. People give tells and gain reads based sometimes on what to others is arbitrary and irrelevant. It's what makes mafia an interesting game and separates great from good from terrible players (the quality and consistency of their reads and tells being accurate reads and towntells).
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@JoeBob
2 different versions of nurse, do you see how both differentiate it from doctor?
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it wasn't me and i'm not suggesting anything about what it means, I am just saying it's weird.
This day period is giving me very little other than the fact I am very sure GP is town.
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@JoeBob
You believed the game of mafia revolves around 1 'murderer' (true enough though serial killer is a third party role, if there's only 1 mafia member) and a nurse that saves. You didn't mention an investigative role at all and I wonder why you said nurse rather than doc.
This game pregame was said to be cop and doc, it turns out it's watcher and bodyguard, do you understand this?
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@JoeBob
Do you realise there is no nurse in this game and 2 people can kill, not 1? If yes, why didn't you before? Just want the reason.
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@7000series
That's an interesting reaction, I am more interested in how others react to this situation than you anyway.
I am fine being scumread based on gut read, gut reads are either bs by scum (mafia or third-party, in this game scum can only be mafia) or wrong, often, in mafia. People use confirmation bias to believe gut reads matter.
I vote and say things at times to get action going and reads. Are you voting me because I voted you? Is that genuinely your only contribution and a normal way to play day 1s for you?
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@JoeBob
There are 2 mafia not 1, you seem to be trying too hard to seem ignorant.
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@JoeBob
A nurse is a different role to doc and I get why you were taught that but this game has a bodyguard not a nurse
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@ILikePie5
Why do you want to instavote me? That's a filler statement.
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@Benjamin
The same reason there are ingredients and nutritional information and warning labels on any product at all.
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@Benjamin
It's designed to stop students cheating by plagiarising it.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
That actually proves the opposite, it proves it is a science and not an art.
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7k brought in Joebob, picking on one seems reasonable rather than letting them gang up easily on someone else.
Nothing else happening so far.
Vote 7000series
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@WyIted
Your answer was yes to my original question, I understand what the 'no' was to, I asked opposite questions to fully clarify.
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@Greyparrot
I am very nervous to reply to this because of what is implied here. You have just outed something severe to help the scum right now, I can't directly respond to that message without helping them a lot more.
You are however a hard townread for this as idk how you'd fake what you just did as anything but town.
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I thought we were 7, then remembered it was 8 in signup thread, idk why the PRs changed, this PR combo is much more scumsided than simple doc and cop.
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I thought we were 8 but we are actually 7 I wasn't wrong, I went back to look at signup thread just now.
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@WyIted
is plurality lynching safe from the majority then?
What I mean is this: If majority is one someone, do they instantly get lynched? This is how non-plurality works.
You may have both at once.
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Because it isn't doc and cop it's not as simple as saying everyone stay silent and lead random bandwagons and only if the lynched claims PR do we back off.
We are 7, 7-2 even if town is lynched is a 3v2, voting NL means we allow mafia a free shot and watcher is much less useful than cop because as far as I know mafia mechanics on DART, only one mafia does the kill visit not both.
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@Best.Korea
140IQ is severely high, only about 0.2% of humans have that.
People have this weird idea that 165 is the 'genius' level, that's beyond genius, anything 135+ is pretty much genius level. In fact usually a 180IQer can't make super creative ideas as their brain is closer to a computer than a human brain's typical thought process (they process rapidly, constantly, they can't think deep and laterally).
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Some sure, me absolutely not.
AI is brutal at Round 1s because it requires the most logic and least creativity or lateral thinking, you must grapple and strangle it out with creative rebuttals that it can't easily handle.
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@Mall
You need permission to make this thread, from Best.Korea otherwise it's an illicit callout threas.
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@WyIted
that's irl info I won't say here. Based on what people think is acceptable here, I am pretty sure I will be able to be active regardless to a level sufficient for DART.
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@Swagnarok
Trump is an elite silver spoon oligarch of New York. You think just because he isn't DC elite he's some saviour? You are delusional! He is as corrupt as they come, why don't people get that?
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@WyIted
This is starting at an awkward time. I should be replaced, I can't guarantee activity for a specific 3 days this month.
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@Double_R
You conceded Hitler had something useful to learn in the entire thing you said prior to it.
You should word the earlier parts of the post differently if you want to lead to that conclusion.
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@Best.Korea
I tried what you're describing, filling the gap with mentoring/teaching offered. Only Benjamin took me up on it and clearly didn't like my teaching style as he quit during the first lessons's interactive part.
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@Bella3sp
Having posted the more objective thing that supports the title you are trying to make out to be some indefensible thing, we can go full on 'sexist' and look at general tendencies and what 'superior' means.
You used 'superior' toake it even harder to defend than 'better' but you made a fatal error.
Men are not better than women, since we are not even as a species better than ants but... Superior? We are.
If you put 200 women, not selected to specifically contain outliers and 200 men in any scenario, you will find the women gather together better but the men do far more with any gathering in the long run.
Every second of a man's day that isn't just him goofing off is spent to survival and evolving, even lazy bums have this instinct in them. What makes men capable of being lazy bums where women struggle to cope as that (ever noticed you have far less female hobos?) Is not some sexist notion that women can just become prostitutes easily instead. It is that women are better at flowing with life, men are better at analysing how much they need to survive and calculating if they want to be fighting for it or fighting for more (and going with that decision).
What I am going to tell you will even explain why men are on average prone to be more alpha or leader like than women, it is the same reason that the laziest losers are men and this is something not understood even by most psychologists today.
Men analyse constantly the best use of effort to reduce the need to put in more effort later. This instinct is something I call calculated laziness and I have barely ever come across or heard of a woman that has behaviours that imply she does this. Almost all men above 95 IQ let's say, have their brains constantly running in the background analysing what they can do to reduce effort later. They then have their brain run a second layer of thinking which asks despite what I can reduce later "how much can I greed right now and afford short term pleasure and laziness?"
This is so innate to all males, even a lot of boys once puberty hits, that they assume it's just so ordinary for females to do and that everyone does it. This is wrong.
It is an instinct we could dub 'managerial instinct' because what I am hinting at is this:
If you leave a group of 400 people in a survival situation, 200 of each sex, not gender alone it is XX Vs XY, you will find that the men consistently outplanned and outthought the women in frequency but maybe didn't outplay or outdo them as consistently.
The reason is threefold:
- Men are prone to fight each other more viciously than women are with each other. It is likely the men will seek to eliminate male rivals before female ones often, letting women pivot around such rivalries.
- Because women lack this instinct to constantly analyse minimum effort requirements and adapt to momentary greed opportunities, they are able to easier flow with situations, even if it's to their detriment later. What this means is that they easier will obey other leaders, make it female and just flow with things often rather than plan to coup, destroy or whatever else. This lets them actually survive more by sheer well built relationships and others coming to their defense that they obeyed and went with the flow of. Men don't tend to as easily and consistently go with eh flow of others' plans, making it a consistent meme almost that you'd see men iutplayung themselves by risks they took to eliminate either women or other men, due to women having a superior network of trusted people they kept going with he flow of and nurturing while the men were often aggressive and resistant to go with the flow. What I am saying is the tyrant leaders and brave rebels will likely both be men, the women will be very capable of working with either to suit their agenda but much more likely will side with the tyrants if the tyrants healthily reward obedience. This is linked to the women not having much instinct to plan ahead to topple it not worry if they're having to keep do more than the minimum btheh should be needing to doz Vs the other 399 people there, whereas the men will consistently be analysing that even if they're voting to work harder.
- The men will, as I just said, opt at times to be suckers. While women will go with the flow in a true sense often, men will do it but keep tabs. The moment they feel screwed over they'll be the first to angrily protest. This will lead to turmoil, making women again able to play the middle.
Over time you'd see that if resources are limited, the men 'in charge' fight harshly with the men rebelling against them. The women will keep the men fighting at first but eventually they want strong men doing some of the hard labour and want men even for sexual reasons or whatever, I mean some men are fun to be around. At that point, things will drastically shift. The men left will realise they no longer need to fight each other off as those left are happy with the current regime and instead impulsive microaggressions between the women will probably begin to erupt as the decider of who dies next, if we assume there aren't set tasks if a game show regime altering this.
Eventually, it's a question if who'd sacrifice for who, social ties, love formed etc. The men could outlive the women in theory but probably will take the bullet except for the sociopaths (but most of them would be eliminated by the revel Vs tyrant rivalry stage) the women will also struggle a lot emotionally and even physically because they didn't calculate minimum strain in the days or weeks prior.
Men are not better than women, but they are prone to constantly analyse what the situation around them is and the minimum effort needed for long term gain. That doesn't mean male 'suckers' that work too much for too little gain do not exist, they just wrongly calibrated their calculations.
Women would be spending more time seeing how to reduce stress and enjoy their life in a more today Vs tomorrow sense for most of the survival scenario. Ironically, that actually suits a survival scenario better than the long term planning instinct of men.
You can say I am talking shit, you would see exactly what I am saying happen if it occured.
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@Best.Korea
You said there should be a rule noobs can only vs noobs or medium members.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Opposite is true. Women can last much much longer despite climaxing, for starters.
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@AustinL0926
Even most on DART do t use the 1v1 arena nearly enough. Well done for taking it serious here, I didn't experience similar because I was a naturally gifted debater that got banned from DDO less than a year into being part of it.
I did however, find I gained critical thinking skills themselves from learning how to debate MYSELF on things constantly.
If you are a person who constantly argued yourself in your head, you're usually ferocious in the actual debating arena against someone who is just doing it for a sport/fun
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@Best.Korea
Make sure to shout a lot and use phrases such as 'sleepy Joe' because the type of people who fell for Hitler love to jump around cheering on ad hominem attacks. Always speak as if you're scolding or talking down to your child, either harsh or super 'teacher tone', and as if the person you're talking to is too deaf and dumb to understand you otherwise.
You're on your way to sounding like Hitler.
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@WyIted
Perpetual wane it seems like if we see how little they actually post or debate. It makes sense though because only boring users get to be mods here (and most places, actually).
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This thread is asked by someone with a haplessly obvious agenda to 'expose' some misogyny.
Unlike misandrists, who genuinely think men are idiot scum and inferior to women very often and are your standard person who says 'women are superior', there is actually a variety to the other side. What I mean is that nearly 100% of women or even self loathing men, who say men are inferior to women, genuinely hate men. That is actually correlated. However, it is not accurate to associate misogyny with the outlook that men are superior. Some abusive, toxic men and even women, see girls and men inferior to boys and women, the fact their outlook very often extends to minors suggests some deep psychological issues at play.
There is not always hatred or abusive tone attached to people seeing men as 'superior' since it depends on context. Like ADOL said, it is about what situation and also (again, unlike misandrists) the view that women generally are inferior at certain things does not tend to extend to those (both men and women) holding the view in 2024 saying 'all women suck more at X' unless we talk physical feats.
Men are extreme. They are smarter and dumber, the strongest beast to the skinniest dweeb to the fattest blob. Men are very severe in how they evolve/transform from little boy to whatever they end up as. They specialised obsessed and dedicate to things in a more ferocious and competitive manner than over 96% of women do. This is why the best 24 people in most fields is generally all men but this tends to be less true in 3 things:
- Fields involving a lot of interpersonal interaction (social skills and EQ).
- Fields requiring hybrid skill sets meaning those good at it need a lot of skills across both logic, creativity and social too.
- Fields primarily considered to be creative arts.
However, you will find that only category 1 of those 3 has women consistently dominate it. The other 2 have the genders merely evened out.
In this respect, men are superior to women, because not that the individual man is better at everything than the individual woman but often as a gender, they are primarily the gender of top people at anything.
This is often attributed to patriarchy rigging it for them, yet even with women having an equal shot at things and affirmative action forcing corporations and educational institutes to give them that fair chance, they still aren't dominating most fields by and far by a massive margin.
This is due to both not wanting that stress level (workload) and lacking the tendency to specialise and hardcore obsessed how men do over things. This is also why autism is much more prevalent in the male gender, because to obsessed about things and dedicate like autistic people do is much more common for boys and men.
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@WyIted
Red pill says that hard work and being dedicated and strong attract women (and as a woman, working on getting fit and being able to handle rejection without bitterness are keys to success).
Black pill says it's all genetics and hardwired fate, luckier people get the hotter and/or better personality partners.
Black pill says it's all genetics and hardwired fate, luckier people get the hotter and/or better personality partners.
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