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@thett3
I knew this long ago. I put on a fantastic show.
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@Outplayz
You can gain so much from your allies and those that agree with you. Goldtop did exactly what you said he didn't do. You're blaming victims for the abuse they received and wondering why they were furious. Goldtop deserves mercy and empathy but we don't? Double-standard.
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@TheHammer
Because no site is supposed to have anonymous reporting. Shall I explain why?
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@Outplayz
I'm confused, what did I say was fake about the moon?
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@Outplayz
The answer is no. No site has anonymous reporting that is reputable to the highest mod level. It is important that mods know who is reporting for the wrong reasons and also who is reporting well so as to then contact the reporter(s) about the issue if the mod feels the reporter needs assurance the issue is being dealt with of if the reporter themselves is in the wrong somehow (or just to elaborate on context).IF IT'S ANONYMOUS, IT WILL ENABLE DDOS ATTACKS TO GO UNANSWERED OR NO ONE HELD ACCOUNTABLE EVEN THEIR IP OR ANYTHING!
Also, when adding a reason for reporting gets added how will they be able to moderate against a person whose reason for reporting is 'I fuck her right in the pussy!'
If we don't trust the mods that's a TOTALLY different issue that this poll won't fix.
If the mods are that corrupt/lazy/malignant, we need to replace them. That should be the only solution. If they were that corrupt, why would they be honest about the lack of anonymity in the first place?
The ones voting 'for' assume the minimalist, least-effort, least-benefit moderation system is optimal. It's not.
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@Outplayz
Eh, equally is questionable more like is the best of this thing really less powerful than the best of that? Yeah, basically a financial UN as opposed to UN itself. It runs EU, UN, NASA, Roscosmos but at the moment it has three, if not four, factions.
One is the oil-adoring faction, one is the opposite (the global warming exaggerators and that stuff) and basically I think they don't care what happens as long as they invest in the right corporations at the right time. The third faction is to do with organised terrorism and I don't want to type is here with this identity attached which I use my real IP with.
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@PGA2.0
Do you mean your vote or something else you posted?
If you have an inquiry on why something you posted or voted is green-checked or something, let the mods know and they can tell you why without revealing the identity of the reporter. I still agree with you on everything you said and understand how lack of reporter-anonymity helps resolves such situations from the mod's point of view.
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@Outplayz
Why do you ask him and not me?
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Drafterman, why were they honest about it? Why did they do a thing? You're only proving them to be both alert (considering how fast they adapted to the lack of anonymity) and benevolent/honest in that they not only immediately used it well, they did their level best to tell the biggest enemy they have on the site an issue they had with his reporting which they knew for a fact would reveal the absence of anonymity.
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@Polytheist-Witch
Do you vote against report-anonymity?
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@PGA2.0
That will be an issue. The reporter should be anonymous to non-mods unless the reporter wishes to come out publicly. Do you agree that to mods themselves, reporters should not be anonymous?
The latter is the only debate at hand.
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You're presenting a lack of anonymity in reporting as something that will solve the issues you are presenting. It will not
Why not?
Lack of anonymity will end up creating a nice big incentive and avenue to disregard reports fullstock.
If the mods are that corrupt/lazy/malignant, we need to replace them. That should be the only solution. If they were that corrupt, why would they be honest about the lack of anonymity in the first place?
I'm sorry, but you're offering up a path of least resistance.
Actually, that is what your side is doing. They assume the minimalist, least-effort, least-benefit moderation system is optimal. It's not.
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@Buddamoose
The way I see it, a lack of anonymity is just going to turn into a convenient excuse to ignore reports entirely depending on the source. "This person has reported every day the max amount for a week. This justifies ignoring these reports."Just wait and see; acceptable reports end up being discarded immediately.
- Buddamoose
If you think moderation won't actively deal with (first in a friendly, informing manner and later in a harsher, enforcing manner) report-spammers effectively then help us build the part of CoC entirely dedicated to outlining a system of helping noobs who don't know what and what-not to report as well as grudge voters be dealt with in a humane, efficient manner.
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@Buddamoose
If you mask VPN, mask your computer type, screen resolution and all of that to terrorise the site, you're a fucking criminal and hopefully you slip at some point. That's not the issue at hand.
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@Buddamoose
The cap is firstly only on vote reports as far as we are told, secondly it was only made due the abuse that one member intentionally did to overload the mods.
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@Plisken
What do you mean do I agree with where he stands? It is very obvious I do not. He should be banned for a week.
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@Grugore
Firstly observe the YouTube Channel.
Secondly, why no stars? Thirdly, why isn't the Earth moving (I mean the clouds but then to both of these you'll say he was moving the whole time and the video was so ridiculously short).
Sorry to tell you this but that video would be far, far too easy to fake, the hardest part being the piece of art that's the Earth.
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We see here the type of person we are dealing with. He is everything a user should aim not to be to moderation. He is not a 'rival improving moderation' through healthy competition, oh no he is a malignant force trying to exploit each and every hole in the system until the mods, who work for free, are so stressed by it all (his protests combined with his report spamming and the others joining in with it) that he makes the mods angrier and less happy such that they perform worse and worse.
Do not be fooled by Drafterman everyone, he thought he'd have an easy steamroll here 'til he realised that he's not the only Sigma Wolf in town.
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@Plisken
The leader of the proposition has PROUDLY done this both before it was removed-anonymity and post-anonymity just to prove that the system is flawed and make us hate the mods and system.
Want me to cite him admitting it? It will take some digging for the admitting during anonymity but he explicitly admitted it.
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@Plisken
Standard users do not have the authority to use reports abusively.
- Plisken
Do you comprehend what report-spam is?
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There are benefits to anonymity, for example if someone is unpopular or made a statement in the past.
- Plisken
If you cannot trust the mods to not prey on the unpopular, the solution is 0% report anonymity and 100% the mechanism by which the mods have gained and maintained power. Either make another site or work out a way to overthrow/reform them sustainably and then bring justice.
I already said the benefits so I won't go into that.
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- Draftermannor did the loss of anonymity stop the high volume of reports. Do you disbelieve me when I say this?
HAHAHAHAHA... You decided to keep intentionally spamming reports to them forcing them to make a 10-vote-cap on reports daily just due to you. If I'd been mod I swear to you on anything precious to me, I'd have banned you for a week flat out. You understand that 'report spam' should be a violation and a bannable one if it continues after communicating with the spammer, do you not?
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@Plisken
As the site gets much bigger, it absolutely will be an issue, yes.
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@Plisken
I am not a mod so I can't say and if I was I couldn't say due to privacy rules.
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@Plisken
Major lack of benefits. Do you believe in the least shit scenario being the best or the most-beneficial scenario being the best?
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@DebateArt.com
@Castin
@David
@bsh1
@3RU7AL
That doesn't allow them to help noobs report better (or to follow-up actively to more introverted users who don't message the mods).
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@Plisken
I get your type, are you into Linux computing, VPNs, Tor and all that? I'd be happy to debate you on it.
The harms of a totally anonymous citizenry TO THEMSELVES is as bad as the harms of tyranny to the populace. That's right; severe anarchy where no one is accountable is actually equal or a tiny bit worse than absolute tyranny.
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@Plisken
You're stating a strength of non-anonymity: communication between mod and reporter.
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@Mopac
You made the right choice and that's exactly a good example of the necessity of knowing who.
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look at the mentality of the guy supporting anonymity
The answer is because I continued to report votes after anonymity was removed.
- drafterman
In context of him report-spamming intentionally beforehand.
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@Ramshutu
yes YOU ARE TRULY SMART BUT YOU VOTE SO HORRIBLY, WHY?
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@janesix
If we don't trust the mods that's a TOTALLY different issue that this poll won't fix.
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@Ramshutu
You did not misunderstand, he just made up nonsense. If we don't trust the mods that's a TOTALLY different issue that this poll won't fix.
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@drafterman
AND WHAT WILL YOU DO IF THEY DO IT ACROSS MANY ACCOUNTS?
Also, when adding a reason for reporting gets added how will they be able to moderate against a person whose reason for reporting is 'I fuck her right in the pussy!'
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@Greyparrot
He will silence his opposition with spam, it is not fair that the vote happened before the opposition could speak.
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fight fire with fire then let's go. Utter bullshit spam war
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@keithprosser
The answer is no. No site has anonymous reporting that is reputable to the highest mod level. It is important that mods know who is reporting for the wrong reasons and also who is reporting well so as to then contact the reporter(s) about the issue if the mod feels the reporter needs assurance the issue is being dealt with of if the reporter themselves is in the wrong somehow (or just to elaborate on context).
IF IT'S ANONYMOUS, IT WILL ENABLE DDOS ATTACKS TO GO UNANSWERED OR NO ONE HELD ACCOUNTABLE EVEN THEIR IP OR ANYTHING!
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@Buddamoose
@Castin
@Vader
The answer is no. No site has anonymous reporting that is reputable to the highest mod level. It is important that mods know who is reporting for the wrong reasons and also who is reporting well so as to then contact the reporter(s) about the issue if the mod feels the reporter needs assurance the issue is being dealt with of if the reporter themselves is in the wrong somehow (or just to elaborate on context).
IF IT'S ANONYMOUS, IT WILL ENABLE DDOS ATTACKS TO GO UNANSWERED OR NO ONE HELD ACCOUNTABLE EVEN THEIR IP OR ANYTHING!
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@blamonkey
@whiteflame
@Logical-Master
@3RU7AL
@Jboy3r
The answer is no. No site has anonymous reporting that is reputable to the highest mod level. It is important that mods know who is reporting for the wrong reasons and also who is reporting well so as to then contact the reporter(s) about the issue if the mod feels the reporter needs assurance the issue is being dealt with of if the reporter themselves is in the wrong somehow (or just to elaborate on context).
IF IT'S ANONYMOUS, IT WILL ENABLE DDOS ATTACKS TO GO UNANSWERED OR NO ONE HELD ACCOUNTABLE EVEN THEIR IP OR ANYTHING!
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The answer is no. No site has anonymous reporting that is reputable to the highest mod level. It is important that mods know who is reporting for the wrong reasons and also who is reporting well so as to then contact the reporter(s) about the issue if the mod feels the reporter needs assurance the issue is being dealt with of if the reporter themselves is in the wrong somehow (or just to elaborate on context).
IF IT'S ANONYMOUS, IT WILL ENABLE DDOS ATTACKS TO GO UNANSWERED OR NO ONE HELD ACCOUNTABLE EVEN THEIR IP OR ANYTHING!
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@3RU7AL
But why no debating prior to the vote? Why only his side gets to say their piece?
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@3RU7AL
This will enable DDOS attack via multi account report spam and can't hold account IP-holders accountable for it or anything.
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@TheGreatSeal
So the other side can get heard out. He spammed under his argument and then immediately made a poll not allowing the counterarguments to get through.
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