RationalMadman

Of not if*

Budda instead if voting me, use your brain and think. If John and Rob are mafia why would Sally be? She grows to resent if not hate Rob despite no divorce occurring.

How is the show not the theme?

Less or more*

Everyone out or get lynched. I don't deserve to be

bullied into outing any less than you.

Budda you are fake as fuck one minute defending me next lynching me.

Sally is town because of how she ends up being the only family member to admit her sins and do right by Danny. This is what I believe and what TUF agreed by telling me that her outing it is the key to why she is sided with town.

You should perhaps give a shit about theme if you give a shit about winning?

You're voting me because?

I'm clear.

You can delete aapost shortly after posting it and hide that you edit it by posting the edited one.

If you would rather lynch unccd Sally Rayburn than nobody, you're either mafia or mentally challenged.

How do you think that disproves me?

don't want to spoil anything big about Power I meant*

I don't want to spoil anything and it's not AT ALL about the equal sort of daddy issues but due to the character morally and the function they have to the show:

I notice a huge parallel between Danny Rayburn and Tommy Egan from the show Power. This is not entirely relevant but it also is because in the show Power, Tommy who is an antivillain type char fluctuates at many times (won't spoil which he ends up as) between being an antivillain and a full-blown villain who you root against. He is one of the only characters I've ever seen so capable (fantastic actor) at making you feel both sorry for and yet entirely rooted against... Shocked at how he wins every time (that I'll spoil).

Danny is very similar in his function to the storyline (literal opposite to an antihero) and likely joined gangs and the likes throughout the show given his ties to drug dealing so I am very sure that if there is by ANY chance 2 mafia involved here (2v2v5) or something, Danny is a HUGE power role in his pair.

WHO THE ILLEST ME EMEMEMEMEMEMEME

There will be minimum two maximum three scum in a game of this size.

If it's framer combined with GF as I and budda have ended up agreeing is a likely combo its likely it's only 2 as this is a good counterbalance to the power of the alignment checking role (perhaps a colleague character of John's who wasn't his ally that I won't mention the name of) and that means they can do 2v7 and it's still fair on town and them.

Otherwise it's 3v6, this is never 1v8 also because both Rob and John have to be part of the Mafia given the main chars of the show.

TheHammer unironically didn't hammer me when he had the chance and was active to do so, while I agree his ending of the good logic ends up being faulty logic with that 100% BS, I like him as town personally.

I think I'm wrong. This user is also an elder to the site, albeit a far less sociable or well known one:

You are thinking of this guy:

BoT is literally BoT on ddo. he's an old timer who kind of lost interest with the site much like danielle (danielle is 2 generations of user elder to him community-wise though and her and sadolite are the only 2 still-active users to entirely predate me by a generation as I was among the Gen2 users of the site)

anyways here is BoT:

Agreed. WF is OG to the site. If it came down to a desert island scenario, I'd die for him and/or join whatever group he formed.

He is the realest DDO member there is with bsh1 as a close rival. Everyone else is lacking in the ways they are in terms of loyalty, integrity and kindness to even users like me when the rest of the community piled on us.

Everyone needs to char claim. It is either no one or everyone, there's no middle-ground fair outlook on the game.

char claim is?

When faced with idiocy, you can choose to laugh at them while losing or to cry and beg as they foolishly make you lose anyway.

I shall choose to laugh at you. Enjoy your stupidity.

How are you important? I am extremely important both to the community and the debates themselves in percentage of debates completed that I've done vs other users on this site so far.

you know what? I am tired of you. Also the fact there's NO DOUBT in your mind that uncc'd sally is scum is more a sign of you being an expert on the show who fake claimed jane than me lying. :)

I didnt want to fucking reveal who I am to mafia you genius.

I really think people need IQ test before entering this game or some form of test of intelligence.

Actually you're wrong and I say this as the single best banned member of DDO history. Banned members want to be infamous, glorified and remembered. You're only doing the banned member a favour by making a public list.

I am uncc'd main character, unvote me right now.

Kid I am your grandmother, stop acting stupid. I am the queen of the entire series and I am the only family member who ends up helping Danny's story of being beaten to a pulp get out.

I AM UN COUNTER CLAIMED SALLY RAYBURN unvote immediately!

(i cannot @ drafterman)

Unvote me idiots I am sick of being a member of such an infantile species.

You may as well be sheep not human if you keep this mentality up.

If you do not unvote me, one more vote and I am lynched.

Okay I shall out to avoid getting a rep for GTing to the actual hammer. I am Sally, end of discussion.

Your understanding of my understanding is what's lacking here.

Enjoy the loss.

The strike through the name at present?

unvote me so scum can't pile if not in the group voting me atm.

If the Vagabond account is banned at the moment why are you allowed to use this one?

John Rayburn specifically yes, he is corrupt AND high in the police force. It would be a lie to say that law enforcement is all that much to do with the show itself though as most characters are neutral regarding the law, Danny being a 'true criminal'.

Do you know that what I said I didn't want to go into was other chars and why and how they will be a 'true hero' semi hero' etc? I was saying I didn't want to explore other characters, not that I didn't want to explore those characters more.

John Rayburn is either a mafia detective, a stalker (mafia tracker) or a framer as he has elements of all three in the series. The fact that there's a framer is probably coupled with a Godfather (Robert Rayburn). Danny Rayburn, if present, would be a thirdparty role but since it's been confirmed that there isn't one it intrigues me as to how TUF would make Danny on the same side as John.

I couldn't give less of a shit about this game. If you have to cry like a baby about me posting what actually matter about the series after asking for my analysis then you can go cry yourself into a corner for all I care.

your character could be an innocent child on d3 because of how he ends up becoming townsided by the end of the show.

Definite villains: Robert Rayburn, John Rayburn.

Potential villain: Danny Rayburn (depends on TUF's take)

The rest I will leave secret as it will help mafia trace char to role.

Why do you say DA/DART? There is DarC

So is mine until we get a better answer.

I am just a genius who got this from googling and reading between the lines if the Wikipedia page as even the fan wiki is barely filled at all.

I understand the story because I had issues in my own family and know exactly what the bystander mentality is and why those family members do it. I didn't just have it happen to me, I know things on my father's side that's a long chain of strict, cruel upbringing and it's an issue much more in non-white cultures but since bloodline is a white family with such issues I understand why it seems worse than it is. To me it's not a big question if Robert or John is the bigger villain, to me it's quite blatantly John because being a cruel parent, even when to one child in particular, is less unforgivable than murdering your own abused brother for no justifiable reason at all and feeling so empty of grief afterwards and that's just one of many examples of what a pure-blooded psychopath John is and I think the key of the series and it's name is the difference between a raised sociopath and a born psychopath. 

Revealing characters helps mafia narrow down PRs more than it helps us.

Either ALL out and we do open-source mentality of playing mafia or we do bluffs on bluffs and hide from them what they hide from us and do it better.