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@Barney
@whiteflame
@Sir.Lancelot
@TWS1405_2
If other people started calling TWS Archie Bunker all the time, I would eventually have problem with that.
Ignoring everything else, I think this alone is one of many examples of hypocrisy in its purest form being displayed by Oromagi.
This alone is proof of irrefutable double-standard BS that he has functioned with ever since he told me he would electrocute my testicles to torture me, as a nonconsented, uninvited 'banter' remark in a Mafia game here and got away completely unscathed.
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@Best.Korea
I typoed Finland as final btw
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@Sir.Lancelot
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@Best.Korea
I know Sweden is right, I do not merely think it.
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@Best.Korea
The comments are about themselves or their siblings or vest friends. I doubt they are phobic.
You can learn a lot by opening your mind.
Final and Sweden are progressive and banned puberty blockers despite being pioneers of it.
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@Best.Korea
The comments actually talk about people who themselves were queer or had queer brothers and sisters.
Point is, a boy playing with dolls should not justify robbing him of puberty.
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@Best.Korea
Read the comments. That video is an example of the queerphobia present in transgender doctrine.
A boy playing with dolls and having female friends should never ever disqualify that boy from growing into manhood. To suggest otherwise is sexist, bigoted and rooted in heteronormative dogma.
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Nothing has really changed, as per the research RM has done since.
Cheers all. Enjoy the same enforcement.
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If you are going to be very realistic here about the mentality of being a conservative that is homophobic, transphobic etc or isn't that but believes it should be shut up about and done behind closed doors, you would typically hear or imagine them saying (in their own heads at least):
"These fucking ABC blablabla alphabet soup types, just shut up, we got the gays and the lesbians leave it at that."
They resent the complexity and often assert that it should either have stopped at B or T.
The I stands for intersex people who were previously forced to either blend in with their gender (they almost always try to appear female because often the body of any intersex person is closer to female as that's the template of a fetus, if you didn't know, it's why cis men/boys have nipples and why the penis head and forskin is based upon the clitoris becoming the head and the lingering labia around it becoming the foreskin).
Intersex people have the absolutely psychologically irrefutable and biologically indisputable struggle of coming to terms with not fitting in with either gender. That's because they literally are not either sex fully. At times, there are girls/women with a lot of androgen that quality as I despite being XX but even then you would understand if we lacked hormone treatment, what they would feel and go through being extremely masculine, having brutally heavy periods and other problems as a result of not being hormonally feminine enough to match their sex, not just gender in that case.
If you are confused what I just said, Intersex can indeed mean the XXY chromosome type and others like that but they are only 0.02% of the human population or so it is estimated. Instead, often there is an extension of XX humans that were extremely high male-hormone (androgen, one androgen is testosterone but cis women produce a different androgen as they lack testes, yes even very feminine women produce some androgen, it's how their muscles aren't so floppy and bone aren't too extremely soft nor brittle etc).
Generally a man who was femme never qualified as intersex until either due to emergency surgery or significant anomaly, his testicles didn't function as they should and he really starts to look and seem physiologically emasculated to a significant degree that harms his strength and wellbeing.
Intersex struggle was the most objectively irrefutable of all of them, yet it only got put in recently. From start of humanity to now, intersex people have been bullied, felt weird and had significant struggles trying to feel that they belong with the pronouns and gender they're assigned.
They are also the primary reason that the hormones trans people take advantage of now with their treatments, exist at all. They developed the hormones to treat intersex people and regulate their hormone levels.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Snuff kink probably is legal in paradise, paradise is probably more satanic than holy if it exists.
People got shit backwards.
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'First world'
'Well developed democracy'
Options are a man who can barely string 3 sentences together and stumbles off stage against a deranged narcissist also old as fuck and losing his marbles barely able to read, let alone string coherent sentences together.
I never ever believed Id see president or majority-backed candidates to make Bush Jr look well put together and he was a real shit twat of a president.
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@Sir.Lancelot
well yeah it does. That's my point. You actually have to be emotionally abusive to your opponent in more ways than just gaslighting, to be an apex debater, it's actually very sadistic in it pure competitive form, which is why casual debating without the wins or ratings attached is much healthier.
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@FishChaser
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@Sir.Lancelot
- Are polymaths technically savants over a variety of subjects or are they just jacks of all trades?
It depends which polymath you refer to and how you are framing ingenuity and intelligence in the first place.
Some people measure by output only, so they'd always dismiss the genius that didn't achieve much or perform very well. Others only value words, others science skills etc.
I don't think a Savant is what that guy in the other thread said drove his own savantism of sorts; OCD. I think that a Savant is simply very naturally good at someone in some way and what they decide to dedicate their life or approach within that realm to is that specific way of doing it.
It is difficult to realise that savants are talented and refine it because it looks to many like they just obsessed over something enough to get that good at it, this is a fallacy. When you analyse savantism within games, suddenly it becomes far clearer.
In League of Legends, you have basically got 3 types of highly skilled players and one is the savant. Yet all of them may be good at LoL to a point where they seem to only be a LoL savant.
There are people who are so insanely skilled at 1 or 2 characters (called Champions) or alternatively play quite a few champions but only really understand 1 role. They are so extremely good at that 1 role with the small champion pool that they make it work. These people tended to be naturally gifted at the playstyle required for their niche and then refined it.
Then you have the hybrids, the people who are good (maybe mindblowingly maybe not, usually just good) at a small champion pool but who easily are above average at most. They are also balanced between mechanics and macro, they have this innate 'voice' in their head that surpasses raw instinct, great map awareness etc they even outrank the third type often on the leaderboards and career output, they are natural talent meeting practise.
The third type are people who in some ways are terrible at LoL. They often think too much and have slower reaction times, they compensate a lot with studying the game, theory-crafting, using builds that will blow your mind yet unlike savants not only doing that for 1 character/champion. Rather than know and do so much with a few characters for 1-2 positions, they know so much about every single character and item in the game. Their brains are databases, they study the game like their life depends on it. These people can often make better coaches than players in the long run as often because they are such deep and long thinkers that they keep failing to perform at apex levels when the crunch times comes to 'pull off' their mechanical skill in a situation. They will do very well but not extremely brilliant, they lack the talent but have the brain.
Each of these is extremely phenomenal in their own way and flawed in their own way. While the hybrid instinctive type tends to perform best, as soon as they retire or need to help others get good, they realise where the issue is. They are the type that aced all their exams at school but couldn't teach anyone much at all and refused to help their buddies with revision.
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Do you believe that’s accurate? If not, what do you think drives the best quality of a debate?
The highest quality debate can have 2 non apex debaters and apex debaters can participate in low quality debates.
One of the things I am most skilled at in debating is making both sides seem shitty, both sides seem absolutely dogshit rolling in the mud type stuff where I make my case clearer and some taboo techniques that border on gaslighting that are simply absolutely necessary arsenal and what even whiteflame and such do in debates regularly.
The way I debate is not that different to how I perform in high level strategy games that aren't chess-like but are more poker-like. What I do is begin safe and typical, stick to the fundamentals then as soon as I see ways to bait the opponent into wrong moves I basically make it so the right moves feel like the wrong ones, I am very skilled at getting inside most opponents' mindframe and I also have an aura about me (if it's an arena I'm known in) that adds to how effectively I do what I do. For instance, because I am RM alone, people expect me to make the debate some wild chaos by Round 2 already, so even if they go first, they somewhat panic and try to play it all very safe. What this means is whether they are prone to attack or defend when under pressure, either way there's a flaw to exploit (FishChaser is on point there).
I obviously don't win every time, I clearly am not this 'invincible' type of debater but you talk as if apex debating is linked absolutely directly to being an apex debater. You are wrong. I will especially against weaker opponents or opponents that both are newer to me and I am newer to, go for a medium-to-low quality debate, playing it safe myself and seeing how things go.
You will often find that the way I was able to pretty much 30-0 but I guess more like 28-2 the likes of Type1, Billbatard and Mall is that when I do such grinds, I think about ways to make it unclear to my opponent what the hell they need to clarify, defend, build on or attack in my case. The way I do this cannot be explained easily, it's very skilled but looks very trashy. I essentially leave weaker opponents shadowboxing for a lot of the debate, I am very very capable of seeing their flaws and understanding the low-tier way they interpret debates. Type1 actually began to improve on his Sparrow account. I began to up my own game then as I quickly realised he was understanding better when not to bother taking baits I laid and that is still fine, just meant I needed a more defensive approach than offensive onslaught.
I don't really know how to explain this but you basically can have very skilled debaters having medium quality to low quality debates especially if it's a generic topic.
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@Mps1213
There is a gap between genius and high intelligence and a gap between high and above average intelligence.
Some would make a gap between high, very high and genius, as separate categories.
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@Mps1213
I dont generally think 'holy shit that dude is smart' when I meet an intelligent guy.
They can have other flaws.
I think for example that ADOL is intelligent, he has other flaws. I think you are scientifically intelligent but weak outside chemistry and biology.
I didn't ask if people think I am apex intelligence, you are moving the goalposts and gaalighting me about the survey I said I was up for and curious about.
An example of where ADOL and I have superior intelligence to you would be that during this thread, ADOL and I either stick to the topic or react to others derailing it. You derail it and lash out, incapable of sticking to the topic or learning when to shut the fuck up and drop a matter.
This is part of why I see you as a savant who is only intelligent in science.
I don't know what more I can tell you to let it be clear that I could not care less what you individually think of me and my intelligence.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
I have objectively verified my intelligence in multiple different ways throughout my life including analysing some problems I have and drawbacks due to it, in particular socially.
If you have an issue with that, it's up to you.
I have also noticed in my life that everyone can misinterpret how smart someone thinks they are (because a lot of people downplay or exaggerate their own estimation of themselves in situations).
I furthermore have noticed that people who are medium to low intelligence rank people they agree with and like high in intelligence, without being able to justify why and others lower. It's why every single parent of medium to low intelligence insists their child is very smart (if they are fond of them )from the first year they are born even if they show no signs of it (yet) or alternatively if they resent the child and/or are abusive, they will insist the child is stupid (even if the child showed signs otherwise). I have only ever seen intelligent people correctly estimate, to a high degree of consistency, the intelligence of those around them. Even intelligent people fall prey to the bias though but only they can fight back against it, I believe.
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@Mps1213
I don't know that for a fact, no.
I think we then have 2 flaws:
1. People of any IQ having dogshit interpretation of how smart I think I am.
2. People of lower to medium IQ having dogshit interpretation of how smart I actually am.
I am more interested if the believe I lean into intelligence, mediocrity (in intelligence) or unintelligence.
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@TWS1405_2
If I am the apex whiny bitch does it make me the alpha or the most gimpy of the lot?
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@Nyxified
In your opinion why did Finland and Sweden rapidly outlaw conversion via puberty blockers (let alone surgery) for teens despite being among the first to trial run it?
These are 2 nations I approve of as sane and stable versions of progressivism, while I have slight issues with both it's nuanced.
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@ebuc
please keep derailing the thread, it's part of why I blocked you
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@Mps1213
That is not what I am interested in. I lost the interest now.
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@Mps1213
you’re just a normal person but you’re pretending your above average in the smart department and in everyone’s experience interacting with you. It’s just not true.
I'm actually curious about this, let's run a survey, I genuinely have wondered this.
Reveal the results in another thread, you have my permission. I am genuinely curious how many people think I'm not intelligent vs intelligent out of the population here. I can't just ask it as people will lie one way or the other.
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@Barney
@whiteflame
@oromagi
under the new rules is this allowed?
under the old rules was this allowed?
Let's include tags, I am just curious.
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@Mps1213
the 'low IQ ex' was a reference to who you would be if you knew me IRL, based on Barney's concerns.
I actually didn't say low IQ in my original post, I said I want high IQ. I think I should have just not mentioned IQ. There are high IQ partners who hate to actually engage in debate with their spouse. Furthermore, medium IQ is still a problem to deal with for me. I don't understand why everything became about me here, I literally didn't make this thread about me at all, people threw me into the spotlight.
The thread asked what debating means to you (but words the question in a different way). To me, debating is an personality trait. I have had trouble maintaining relationships due to my genuine love for it.
I used to wonder if I was toxic due to it, which is when I began to separate when I am arguing for the sake of it (out of habits when under stress elsewhere etc) from when I am arguing as a genuine hobby from when I am arguing to genuinely clarify and defend or make my good friend, let's not even say spouse, defend something.
I began to then understand how and when to hold back and when to wield it. However, I also realised that I literally cannot feel romantically loved or romantically love someone on a true level long-term as opposed to temporary crush if they are not able to both hold a lot of quality dialogue with me on well it can be any topic we discuss, and to mentally process what I'm arguing/saying and not resent me for being that way.
I'm a person who literally can smile and feel affection for my partner as we argue to hell and back about whether Harry Potter is actually a good guy or not and shit like that. I need that sort of arguing-banter exchange with my partner very regularly, it can be discussing anything, whether preferences in food or idk what. I actually enjoy it more when we disagree, I like to prod the person to expand on why and how they feel how they feel or think how they think about matters.
Over time I realised that there's a part of that which cannot be just 'toxic' but is simply me. No amount of therapy or self-help will eradicate that part of me.
As for the 'intelligence' fiasco I am a very intelligent guy, I don't need you to believe that and I didn't write what I wrote to 'flex' it but I am. It's like a genuinely big dicked or muscle-jacked guy saying 'I am this' and you're up in arms about it out of idk what. I am very intelligent, I am not saying I am some billionaire that used that intelligence to save the world.
I am unsure where the need to 'knock me down' is here but I am not going to act like my IQ is not well endowed when it just is. I am not particularly proud of it and I happened to be tested during a very bad period by my psychiatrist treating me for depression as one of the only real official IQ results of my life, so my official IQ is when I was at my most tired and least happy, inattentive to the test and it was still like 125.
I have shared a lot here. You probably can narrow down who I am or definitely who I am not from this information. It doesn't bother me as I tell nearly nobody that story irl for them to reverse-dox me and that's the only real threat.
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@Sir.Lancelot
Because I found it hilarious that Barney genuinely ran through his thinking process and part of it was considering if the exes I was referring to included MPS as that's the only way for this to be relevant:
- You are clearly the aggressor. The user in question does not appear to have made any references to you, unless you know each other IRL.
If you don't get my sense of humour that's alright. I found this quite hilarious considering the sack of shit the rest of your thread has been to read through.
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@Barney
- You are clearly the aggressor. The user in question does not appear to have made any references to you, unless you know each other IRL.
Sorry you are super genius to spot this. MPS was my sissy partner for a while while I explored my bi side, that's one of the lower IQ exes.
All of this is sarcasm, please don't shoot me.
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Under the new rule enforcement, the opposite should be true. The derailing abusers should be punished, not the one to engage honestly. Cheers for your pointless post though.
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I think this thread is a good example of why nobody wants to sign up for this site, just a bunch of trolls dogpiling rather than sharing their own reasons for the thread title's question. Absolute toxic idiocy.
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@Nyxified
TWS personally attacked you, where did I?
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@Nyxified
Show me the personal attacks to you.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
I think people assume being very intelligent is a blessing but it comes with many problems attached, it's far easier to be 'normal intelligence' if we talk about a straightforward life with minimal complications being the way one is.
I am unsure why many got bitter here or felt a need to 'knock me down a peg' but it does violate the new rule enforcement very objectively and has at this point completely derailed the thread.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Their cognitive characteristics:
- Learn very rapidly and show high curiosity and depth of understanding
- Think deeply about patterns and the inner workings of things in life
- Have long concentration ability for things that interest them
- Offer creative or unusual solutions
- Think abstractly
- Wide general knowledge in at least a few domains
- Easy to take multiple perspectives
- High problem-solving, analytical, and reasoning capacity
- Have personal reasons and motivations for doing things that may seem odd to others
- Highly perceptive, intuitive, and observant
- Quick to spot errors or problems
Their social characteristics:
- Question authority and the status quo
- Sees problems in society when others don’t
- Find it hard to relate to everyone, prone to loneliness
- Unusual humor and peculiar manner of speaking
- Range from silent to outspoken personality
- Intrinsically motivated to help, sometimes without the goal of helping (personal curiosity, thrill, etc.)
Their mental health characteristics:
- Prone to boredom
- Have weak emotional regulation with possible rage problems
- Find it hard to belong
- Unhealthy perfectionist tendencies
- Prone to depression, anxiety, and suicide
- Highly sensitive or highly insensitive
I have many of these traits, pretty irrefutably.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
I guess you never said you had high IQ or were more intelligent than average, but it was strongly implied.
I do. However I am not some 160 IQ level person. I am not interested to specify more, the lowest I ever got on an official test was 125 (around there, not going to specify more). I got that while I was at my worst, being bullied, rather skinny as hell and tired all the time and barely paying attention to the test as a young(er) guy.
I am pretty sure I sit in the 130s somewhere when I am healthy and such. I haven't tested in an official capacity to prove nor do I care.
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@Barney
@whiteflame
@oromagi
@Best.Korea
They abused me and tried to gaslight me that I asked for it, that is quite literally what's happened here, still waiting on the mods to clarify what the rule enforcement is here.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
I don't see where I bragged, I actually was sharing something pretty sensitive to me about why I struggled to find a compatible partner for a long while.
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@Slainte
You dont know how to read my raps because you don't listen to truly god tier flow enough to catch my syllable-sliding.
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@Slainte
No, you just derail a thread because you can't read good flow.
Listen more to this:
You talk about 'flow' what even is flow to you?
To me this is apex flow:
And this rapper is not always that good. He has less good flow in some raps, that's him seamless at it.
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@Barney
@whiteflame
During this thread, I am being ridiculed for engaging with it genuinely by multiple users. Is this protected under the new enforcement, as in allowed? If so, should I insult back or what's the idea? Should I learn to never share anything here?
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@Best.Korea
Thanks for realising what I am saying, well put.
I didn't even say one thing about MPS and him attacking me had 0 to do with the topic. I will refrain from insulting back.
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@TWS1405_2
I want the mods to establish if we can mask attacks and get away with it or not.
They must establish a consistent standard, then we know how to operate within the rules.
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@Barney
@whiteflame
@oromagi
How does MPS's post work with the new rule enforcement?
Is it okay if you word the insult passive like this:
First off Rational madman, you do not have a high IQ and are a terrible critical thinker
I want to understand how the new enforcement works. This was unprovoked but may not be deemed am attack.
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@Mps1213
Thanks for your false interpretation of me. I am not always using my genuine thoughts to win arena debates, I also don't care if I am dumb in your eyes at all.
Try to make a series of tests, yourself or found online, to test me vs you in intelligence. Let's do it.
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I was born to argue, born to critically think and challenge.
I came to realise that I need a high IQ spouse no matter what. I can't last long-term with someone who can't appreciate that side of me, it just makes friction. There's also no way to say 'you're too unintelligent' in a nice way, I have been told my intellectual needs and ranting make me incompatible before, though, some have even said I'm just too smart.
Debating is an innate part of me. I am not just a nerd who can do nerdy stuff at the day job and come home and turn my brain off, in everything I like to think generally speaking, it can even be intimacy but also just hobbies. I can get along with less intelligent people, yes. I can't fully feel that electric 'fuck I dig you so hard' vibe let alone this true love vibe and it is a problem as I can feel a crush and feel loved (well, not all of me, that's the point) but start to feel dead inside myself.
I can have less intelligent or stimulating friends but for a lover, it's definitely a requirement. She needs the spark, the urge to debate sure but that's not as important, just the spark to talk back.
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@Kaitlyn
Someone comes to you and asks, is water okay to drink?
There will be a thought in your head 'no way these morons actually mean such an obvious question, maybe the water is poisoned or has cholera etc.' You will maybe resist that thought and give the obvious answer.
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@Kaitlyn
That is what those answering no were answering to.
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@Kaitlyn
What does being white mean? Being privileged and engaging in nepotism or what?
They asked it in a strange way.
If Bush family or Trump define being white, I agree with the ones against it. They probably took it as a historical thing about elitism and abuse.
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@Reece101
can you supply me the definition of a corporatist
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