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@thett3
I love this thread a lot, it is part of what will come up here:
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@Bones
Yes they do, but you guys who don't just circlejerk each other feeling good about being utter cowards the whole time.
Noobsniping isn't cowardly if you're also willing to clash with other high rankers. If anything, I am more able to confidently do so as I can endure a loss without flinching.
I don't care if you're worshipped as the most skilled or not, that doesn't mean shit to me. I am a user who helps newcomers have someone engaging to debate with that is partly laidback/lazy and partly severe and sharp, depends on the debate and what I see as necessary.
Sometimes, they even defeat me and that matters way more to the ecosystem of the website than a bunch of pricks sitting around saying 'you are unworthy to face me' like some stuckup snobs.
People don't look down on you for the 'padding' if you're also willing to engage other high rankers from time to time. They only look down on you if that's all you do.
If you look down on me for being willing and enthusiastic to engage noobs on debates, you are just part of the problem.
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@Ehyeh
He is strongest at science for sure but I doubt he has some inherent topic weakness actually, he is even more flexible than I am because he seems to excel at trying hard at boring debates.
He also does something public-choice mentioned admiring about Oromagi elsewhere; he takes the opponent's case and dismantles it.
Whiteflame's style is severely destructive more than almost any debater I have seen. He would easily spend 70% of rebuttals dedicated to destroying his opponent rather than reinforcing his own case, even if his own case was indeed heavily attacked.
This is why he is suddenly mediocre if his opponent is more defensive and rigorous to begin with and why he gaps weak debaters so severely. He dismantles like few others, Barney does it too but with a fluidity that whiteflame does not have.
Barney and Blamonkey are two debaters that contend for best here. The others you name do not adapt like them, they are all-rounded monstrocities.
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@Ehyeh
Whiteflame was saved by a troll vote vs bones, do not overrate him. He can be defeated, especially on more outlandish resolutions, however he is not easy to beat regardless.
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@Intelligence_06
Unless it is an agreement by Mall an Novice, I see this as no problem. He is just very good as catching opportunities.
This is identical to what I did to an alt of type1 and the resolutions were not as free.
The rules for accepting banned user debates had not been passed yet and MEEPs are not retroactive, bsh1 himself said this in the thread where he later caved in hypocritically to Ramshutu's bitching and moaning.
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@Barney
@whiteflame
What now, do you just lock it or realise your hypocrisy as a mod team?
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I was completely illegitinately robbed of several free wins by Bsh1 because Ramshutu cried about me getting them from an alt of Type1.
This also led to a crackpot conspiracy theory later that me, the guy who kept telling the mods who Type1 was on his alts despite they and Ramshutu doubting and ridiculing me as they doubted it was Type1 the entire time, was actually in cohorts with him.
I had easily 7 if not more wins robbed from me.
Right now Novice is getting 12 or so free wins from Mall, whose elo is elevated because Wylted gave him a wrong win by a troll vote on a mutual FF where he gave Mall a win.
How the fuck is that better just because Mall is not a banned user, they are all letting Novice pick the debate topic and sides too?
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@Public-Choice
England only owned South Africa.
Nothing could be further from the truth. The Dutch had primary domain over SA, hence why Afrikaans is what the white people speak there rather than standard English of any kind as their primary language.
The British owned all these nations:
- British books and reports about East Africa & Egypt, 1815-1914
- British East Africa Company: Parliamentary Debates (Hansard), 1870-1914
- Kenya: National Assembly Official Record, 1911-present - Parliamentary records from 1911 on.
- Sudan: British Government Gazettes, 1899-1975
- Sudan - Mahdist War: British Army Intelligence Reports, 1891-1903; also available for the regions of Suakin (1889-1891), Eastern Sudan (1891-1892), and the "Frontier Field Force" (1889-1892). See more about the Mahdist War.
- Boer War: Books from 1880-1914; Archival documents from the Anglo-Boer War Museum; Parliamentary Debates (1898-1904)
- Botswana (Bechuanaland) - Books & serials from 1880-1914 about Botswana.
- Cecil Rhodes - Books from 1880-1914 by/about the notoriously racist British leader of South Africa and "Rhodesia" (i.e. Zambia & Zimbabwe). Note: many more sources on Rhodes are available within the full-texts of books, magazines & newspapers.
- Lesotho (Basutoland) - Books from 1815-1914
- Malawi (Nyasaland/Central African Protectorate) - Books from 1815-1914
- Zambia & Zimbabwe (Rhodesia) - Books from 1815-1914 on the former British colonies of North & South Rhodesia.
- South Africa - Digitized Archives from U. Witwatersrand - Includes numerous historical manuscript collections, for example Letters related to Zululand (1882-8), Papers of Colonial Officer Donald Rolfe Hunt, and many more.
- South Africa - Books - Books from 1815-1914 on South Africa and the Cape Colony. To search within this large group of items, click "Revise Search."
- Zulus & the Zulu War - Books from 1815-1914; Academic articles on Zulus, 1815-1914
- Gambia - books published 1815-1914
- Gold Coast (now Ghana) - books published 1815-1914
- Nigeria - books published 1815-1914
- Royal Nigerian Company: British Parliamentary Debates (Hansard)
- Sierra Leone - books published 1815-1914
Their 'dominion' in South Africa was nowhere near total and the Dutch owned it the most and had the most impact.
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@Public-Choice
How the fuck can you represent DART if you're only a member since August 11th 2022? You aren't even DART enough.
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@Vader
How do you still have a job as deputy moderator?
There is your answer.
#redhotburn
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@zedvictor4
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@Public-Choice
man you assume so much it's not even worth engaging.
Jesus didn't debate people to get followers, neither did Socrates.
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@Shila
I am not going to find the 3 times you called me it in your 108 pages, it isn't worth the digging.
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STILL HOT AND IN THE OVEN
I will be happy to quote and paste my Round 1 here when it's done to aid this thread's evolution. I've posted something similar a couple times before, people seem to never catch my position so it's time to lay it all out. Juicy rating to take from me if you think the topic is easy for Con.
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(I've said this before so it isn't really doxxing info especially as I've shifted)
I grew up skinny, unable to gain weight due to unknown food intolerances (well I guess I knew one of them kind of but that didn't help) and simply lack of appetite at times (high metabolism and constant stress factored in).
It has always perplexed me how overweight people can't just cut down what they eat because I actually had to learn to force myself to 'cave in' to slight hunger (since I don't feel it severely unless I'm basically starving which I have not allowed myself to do often anymore). I never have understood it and doubt I will to my dying day unless I go through hormonal and genetic changes that let me experience their side of life.
I believe the primary issue is once someone associates food with comfort (I had the opposite issue, it was literally a milder version of what is known as anorexia nervosa, I feel no appetite when very stressed other than for extremely tasty food).
I think that people with genes like mine could actually be useful to scientists to come up with a very controversial solution (injecting DNA-altering things into the womb to make the baby prone to have a normal appetite) since the research into the fat and very hungry end of the spectrum has been done nearly 100%.
People like myself don't get researched in that way because we get overlooked.
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@Public-Choice
I thought you were being serious but shrouding it up in sarcasm.I was being sarcastic because I don't believe he is an AI.
I was, about Oromagi's debate style.
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@Public-Choice
Are you surprised? Rules of the game:
- Never snitch
- Stay loyal to fam
- Not much else
Welcome to the real world.
Before laws, before society, before anything, this is raw human nature and the morality in most.
It is up to us to battle our inner urges to put family above the bigger community but few will do so.
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@Public-Choice
I have not known Socrates to destroy opponents, he just preached rather standalone as a knowitall but I would be open to read about it.
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@Public-Choice
Jesus only knew how to build a fantasy, he had no idea how to engage the opponent. He had a cult of 12 disciples/apostles and persuaded due to the special prowess that gave him.
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@Public-Choice
Tautology, you define a best debater as that.
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@Bones
Thett3 probably but Ragnar/Barney was up there too.
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@Public-Choice
There are times when it's suboptimal to waste character overly engaging the opponent's case, rather than fleshing out one's own. What you talk about with me vs Chris was optimisation, you just have a style preference to heavy attack instead of defense.
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@Ehyeh
The reason I do not change my mind often is because I think through very much, before assuming I know something.
After a while, your mind stops changing so often because you know what you believe and think and are certain in it.
That said, if you mean on nuances, I used to regard Putin as a highly intelligent sociopath but I now regard him as a standard narcissistic sociopath.
There are private things I have tweaked views on if you mean opinions on people, relationships and such.
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@Ehyeh
Give us some examples of your supreme mindchanging ability at play.
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my belief in my own abilities has nothing to do with putting myself above others or seeing myself as special or more talented. Anyone can do it with the right mindset as long as they're not disabled.
With that being said, me in 10 years beats the top 10 of both DDO and DART by myself, my ability for evolution and growth is the best on the planet.
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What makes you think you don't need 'vaccine passport' equivalent?
Have you actually looked into what it takes to travel abroad?
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@Vici
What's wrong with picking myself? What makes you think I'd be in charge of choosing the team?
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This is a callout thread and also there are debaters like Whiteflame and Barney who would need to represent both and that makes no sense.
Furthermore, Oromagi would make the DART team based on any metric.
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@Vici
I thought he may be referring to the Godfather but the generations don't exactly add up.
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@Public-Choice
Problem is that starts to lead to cancel culture and the mainstream crowd coming in where doxxing and other stuff can really end our careers irl and such for what we debated freely here.
In a way, the 'dingy corner shop' vibe here actually keeps it very free. I noticed this consistently with any website that gets large; cancel culture finds it way there rapidly as it grows or cancel culture shuts the site down and permanently tarnishes it shot at popularity. Fame is overrated, I personally wish to just be RM the rando on DART than anything on a major website.
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@Public-Choice
That was pretty unnecessary mockery considering I was referring to his debate style and not him as a user outside of debates.
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Doesn't change the genocide and the forced emigration.
Russia has sinned immensely.
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@sadolite
You are pretty much appreciating everything wrong with shallow real world verbal spars that masquerade as 'debate'.
If you appreciate that, you don't belong here, in my personal opinion, as you won't be fulfilled by the intensity.
That said, shallow votes exist here.
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Also, this is a callout thread but Shila has been obnoxious to me so idc.
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If it is an extremely advanced AI rather than the human it appears to be, Shila's style is to start off relevant to the thread title or to attack the user based on profile content.
Your test may catch it out but it will appear to pass most likely as it has intentionally ignored posts at times.
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@Sidewalker
Imagine calling Trump a loser on the same thread that those calling him that fear him a d puss themselves at him winning.
I see him as pathetic and stand by that. He is a lost soul, let it be.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
No, he is not, this is an illusion his small cult have, wait for the next primaries, he will lose.
He has made an utter fool if himself.
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It is time to let Trump be the bland wallpaper he is, stop feeding his attention-seeking narcissism with many online forums and threads about him across the Internet.
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@sadolite
you are not blocked anymore, if you didnt notice you are able to @ me for some time now, some time being since last December I'm pretty sure.
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@sadolite
I blocked him/her/them a couple days ago.
Try it, it feels good.
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@Lair77
Obama was the best president, FDR 2nd place and I stand by that.
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Gonna disagree to you there but I am quite radical about it.
I like the idea of getting a lot of integration going on, it is best for all.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
whataboutismAs in- what about Trump and Republican members of Congress, are they remorseful for being racist?
Exactly, that is precisely what 'whataboutism' refers to, you distract from the sins of Biden by saying 'what about Trump'?
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