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@Greyparrot
For committing genocide on the Ukranian people to blackmail the survivors to join Russia or flee to NATO safe harbours.
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@TWS1405
I'll unblock you to give you an opportunity. This is your chance to bitch and moan at me about your issue with what you call 'black racism', I am openminded to this and going to meet you in the middle where I can.
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@Avery
No, you can always exploit the way that an AI will predictably exploit your way of doing things, if you are paying enough attention.
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@bronskibeat
and the good does not cancel out the bad in the things that he has said.
yes they do lol,
there is literally nobody else being banned for saying the shit he said nobody. It's one fucking comment.
KSI called him out and still has rape jokes (serious rape jokes with proper acting and everything) still out there, even aimed at his friend's sister who years later he finds and flexes is hot and he wants to bang.
He isn't banned and was able to call Tate out, it's pathetic.
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@Shila
Why would I think you'd be hitting on me ;)
Please go to this thread and answer what I asked Benjamin:
at the very least say there you've signed up.
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@3RU7AL
As if you have studied dating and heterosexual love more than the experts
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@3RU7AL
Thanks for your baseless tautology
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@bronskibeat
It isnt just about me.
You want to make this about me? I am not gonna discuss my love or sex life nor specifics of where I am.
I do not idolise Tate, that would defy everything he teaches. Tate-stans are not living by Tate's philosophy. He is a strong man who knows what he wants and, until this cancelling, got what he wanted. I do think he has solid outlook on things.
You preach all this stuff and in your profile you list as female so let me ask you honestly, why are you pushing this on me and my personal life? Are you in denial that you have power over your looks, especially in 2022? All sorts of stylists, fashion designers, makeup experts, fitness experts and in worst case scenario, plastic surgeons exist. You can find me disgusting for what I just said but I find it more disgusting to deny genetically ugly women the right to compete by hard work and determination. Why did i say 'ugly' because not that I am insensitive but that I would not ever disrespect the agony of women who are unfairly born visually offputting by using a cleaner term that would not signify the severe suffering they experience. The one advantage that ugly women have is that they know for sure that their friends and lovers either enjoy their personality or at least genuinely enjoy(ed) their company. That is something I am sure many hotties envy, lowkey.
Being low value is not a reason to hate yourself, it is a reason to push yourself and get the lovelife and genetically blessed offspring (by the partner you reproduce with) that you will be proud of.
I have no reason to sugarcoat anything here. I am not a misogynist and I think us humans are too proud to enjoy our animalistic aspects and meaning of life so much so we reach depression and agony trying to find a meaning beyond the lust, emotions, fulfillment from defeating rivals and raw animalistic thrill of life.
I was a depressed nobody that was bitter and blamed everyone else. You want me to get personal, I will leave it at that. I was more misogynistic before, when I blamed women for rejecting me, blamed them for leading me on and breaking my heart. Blame, blame blame, then I woke up and took the red pill and asked myself... dude, why would high value women desire the loser you were or are? Would you, as a woman, actively want to date you, fuck your skinny ass and enjoy your petty arrogance?
And you know what I realised? The answer wasnt just no, rather it was a hmm I would if he just toned this down or accentuated this etc.
So I stayed bitter and channeled it to myself. Every day I try to live my life as I want and blame nobody for what comes of it. If I choose to spend my time debating online, less women will dig that answer to hobbies esp if I refuse to tell them the RM account that is my passionate hobby so ofc they find me blander. No shit.
I learned how to get other hobbies, how to be interesting way beyond any one thing (I learned that before this website though, it was a metaphor). Do you think women will get wet around a man who does not feel like he has a handle on his life and emotions? No woman, no matter what, enjoys a crybaby. They empathise and slowly they sympathise and then suddenly you're their burden and not their alpha or sigma strong man.
I have seen it in couples I know/knew. It is up to me to be a strong man and a disciplined man because if I fail to be it, I sure as hell will fail to be a good and strong father to my children and that is an unacceptable failure, one they will pay the price for.
You think Tate is this and Tate is that ? I do not care. Cancelling him just proves what a sensitive bitchfest this modern generation is becoming, yes the 'men' too.
Being a man is about more than being a boy aged X years, a man needs to define himself, strengthen himself and aspire to be great or he can choose to wither. I withered repeatedly, gaming is fun, porn is fun and I like some Netflix and Spotify. The question isnt zero pleasure, it is can I prioritise and build myself or not.
Change the porn addiction to a passion for seeking women.
Change the gaming addiction to a passion for poker and other games that garner money, perhaps stocks and shares.
Change the spotify and netflix to a small reward. It isnt easy. None of it is.
Being disciplined means having the courage to love yourself enough to pity and resent the wretched loser you currently were and/or are.
That is the core message Tate taught and for that reason he got that massive following. His cancellation is just proof what a joke our current generation is.
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@PREZ-HILTON
So these are things that actually help blacks by treating them equally as opposed to the liberal approach of erasing meritocracy because they secretly believe blacks are unable to compete in a meritocratic environment.
Meritocracy is not letting someone with far less opportunity and ability to even study in an unstable, poor home compete with a person who had much more going for them and expect to attribute the different outcomes in grades and extracurricular attainment and work experience to individual merit as opposed to factoring in circumstance.
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@PREZ-HILTON
Conservatives oppose raising the minimum wage which has been proven to disproportionately affect black unemployment rates.
so you'd rather they live in poverty than push companies to pay them decent wages?
Alright, so let's say the wage stays low do you support welfare to compensate?
Conservatives want more policing in black neighborhoods to better protect blacks from crime, while liberals want less policing and lighter sentences so those who victimize blacks are released sooner to commit the same crimes.
What good is policing without actual prevention of the root causes of poverty and gangster culture? All you're doing is punishing them harder, spiralling them into an even worse state when out of prison, with a record and gap on their resume.
Conservatives oppose the welfare state which studies by the Cato institute have proven, has caused the rapid decline of the black family.
What are you even talking about? If it wasn't for the barely-livable welfare available, the single mothers would be unbelievably desperate. They'd either go a route conservatives would say no mother should have to or be struggling to live on their lowly wages that you want allowed.
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@PREZ-HILTON
LOL!
It is conservative policies that create ghettos.
Conservatives oppose abortions which tend to honestly just target predominantly black people in a type of in plain sight genocide.
Genocide if this is how you define it, is letting poor people have guns and gangs around them that kill each other and them regularly, robbing them and trapping them in further poverty if they happen to gain any wealth and not keep it 100% hidden.
Who is pro-gun, pro-inequality and doesn't want to spend a dime helping these communities?
Your high horse is high in two ways, I see.
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@Avery
Thing about robots taking over humans is I admit humans are smarter than the average human but a guy like me can cuck a robot at certain things, since if you understand how to deliver it false information and take advantage of its predictable pattern recognition exploitation, you end up exploiting its exploits.
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@PREZ-HILTON
:) That's all cute, tell me what the conversatives do to help them instead.
Keep trying pushing your nonsense.
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@PREZ-HILTON
I don't think you know what racism is if you think it's wanting to help.
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@3RU7AL
No, not really.
Social status is perhaps a direct factor for men and can definitely be compensated for if you properly read tbe variables I said.
If you are dirt poor and struggling though, it is better to indeed slightly up your social status before dating of any sort.
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You can tell when someone is a bigoted racist when you ask them what they want to do to fix the issue.
The non-racists want to help the poor cope better and get out of their crime-ridden ghetto lifestyle, the racists either divert with 'taxation is theft' or outright say blacks are evil, dumb and/or lazy and don't deserve the help.
This is also why the left wing inherently have less racists, a wing based on helping the struggling cannot be as hateful to the struggling, generally speaking.
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@bronskibeat
I think this is a bit simplistic. Most people don't fit solidly into any particular stereotype. If you look at the real world (not the TV or the internet), most people are just average across the board or below average in some area of their life. They find people who they click with, and they get married. I know a lot of slobs with average jobs who are married to slightly more attractive women with average jobs. I know conventionally attractive, nice guys, with not so impressive jobs who date/marry women who are also attractive and have slightly better jobs (they usually have interests in common as well), attractive women with ok jobs who marry less attractive men with nicer jobs. It's not black and white. What I don't see as often are less attractive women with more attractive men.Dating is hard for young guys because, in a heterosexual context, they are often expected to make the first move. That leaves them in a vulnerable position which causes them to overthink strategies they deem "biology-proof" to make them feel a bit safer about the whole thing when they really should be developing themselves as individuals.
You literally proved me right.
Women have these as factors:
- How hot they are
- How healthy they are
- How emotionally intelligent they are
- How loyal they are reputed to be
- Being popular
Men have all kinds of factors, this is both an advantage and a disadvantage because if they lack in the looks department and even in EQ on top of that, they can compensate well. Loyalty is actually much less a factor for men, it's nearly nonexistent as a competing factor, it just matters they're honest if they are poly much more so than that they're known to be sexually loyal.
- How 'achieved' they feel while interacting with them (cocky vibes without overt arrogance)
- How difficult it feels to impress them (they should be difficult to impress, not impossible)
- How interesting and intelligent they are when conducting conversation (men have to lead conversations, they need both good questions and good answers to hold a woman's intrigue)
- How reliable they seem, financally, emotionally and physically. This is why a man needs a decent job and body, it's about reliability, if he seems weak and flimsy in any way it turns the women off quite rapidly, depending which form of reliability the woman wants more. He should also be competent at staying calm and reliable emotionally but also not seem 'dead' emotionally, it's a complex mix.
- Also being attractive
- Also being emotionally intelligent
- Also being healthy
- Loyalty less important, being totally honest about urges and desires more important. Women would ultimately rather an honest playboy over a shady guy who's overall known for 'loyalty', though their preference there differs per woman in severity.
- Having an aura that 'turns heads' even if it comes with being hated. Women need to be likable to be attractive, men need to be noticable and can cope with being disliked and maintianing value quite easily with a jaded antihero vibe.
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That would be interesting, old farts finally being replaced by the first female president after abortion rights disappeared from the federal law.
Lots of peculiarity to the US system.
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@Vader
You'd make a bad poker player then. Probability isn't the same as possibility.
There is actually a countercase though, considering that female pilots had to battle more subtle obstacles to get to where they are (proving more), they are arguably more assuredly competent, for instance to my knowledge all crashes gone wring had male pilots at least as the lead pilot.
Regardless, there are arguments on both sides, it is not worthy of banning and cancelling the guy for saying he would rather a male pilot in an emergency scenario.
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@bronskibeat
He preaches that every man should think exactly like he does and degrades the ones who don't. If he was just saying "hey, this is my experience, this is what works for me and gives me self-esteem and sense of greater purpose in life" then fine, but he takes it to extremes. Promoting the idea that "real men shouldn't cry", "people who say they can have fun without alcohol are liars", saying that he "never apologizes" because he "never makes mistakes." That is some weirdo narcissistic stuff.
So cancel it rather than debate it because your side are a bunch of cowards. Sure.
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@bronskibeat
Tate has never been against the idea of high value women following his advice. The difference is that if you are a woman, you can focus primarily on being attractive, healthy, emotionally intelligent and loyal and you already spiral in value. In constrast, men who have focused on that have only become medium value at best, you can deny it or face reality, a man has to focus on more variables to be high value.
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@Vader
That is a strawman that KSI is a fool to have brought up.
Andrew Tate said if you knew nothing else about a pilot than their biological sex, would you prefer a male or a female pilot if god offered you the choice?
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@PREZ-HILTON
dude honestly after those vids i'm really confused by him way more than ever before. Why the fuck did this guy basically set himself up to look like an abuser?!!!
that is a dipshit move.
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@Bones
then why would he film it and why wouldn't they push on it?
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@Avery
I agree to basically everything you said. I just didn't want to go into the specifics of his worst outlandish quotes for my OP, given the stance that I was taking.
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@Ehyeh
if it is manly but is not good then banning him is non-controversial.
this was the only part of your entire post relevant to the topic and was loaded, axiomatic and tautological all at once.
It's also false?
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@Ehyeh
Yeah I think you are the one with the axioms there.
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@PREZ-HILTON
I can't actually understand the very end situation though, I am extremely confused why he intentionally pushed that because if she is really into that he literally set her up to set him up. That is rather fucking odd...
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@PREZ-HILTON
he is also a bit stupid... the latter girl was blatantly feeling very safe with him so much so she actually hesitated and struggled and smirked/smiled while he asked her to say 'tell the camera i beat you if you don't do as I say'.
It's actually very fucking weird??? It's like he set himself up to be framed...
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@PREZ-HILTON
Buddy I am not here talking about trans rn or saying I am anti women's rights, you are now trying to twist my words or something.
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@PREZ-HILTON
I'll help you out:
Now, I want to point out 3 things:
1) he is the one filming
2) It seems consensual bdsm relationship and this has fuck all to do with me personally or my kinks, I just know a lot about bdsm and how to do it healthily. If you listen to the tone of voice in the woman (the first and second both but esp the first), she doesn't even shake her voice or cry which btw in severe bdsm would be the case. Some subs get off on it, don't look to me about it I am not here to justify or explain kinks. She wasn't crying though, she clearly has some 'punish me daddy' kink vibes as did the second. I can't justify it to you and if it actually somehow is abuse, I am of course disgusted.
3) Despite saying that thing with the door-locking (which could be to thrill her and whatever) he blatantly isn't actually after her, she is locking a door... While he is filming and he says 'you better or i'll beat the fuck out of you' when he literally stood there for like 1-2 mins not raising a finger to her and doesn't even make a move or run (this is a fucking ex pro kickboxer he knows how to chase people in heated situations).
He furthermore says he is still friends with her and the latter is his ex. How the video ended up in the hands of tabloid news I don't know but I do know that it's blatantly 100% he himself filming it all. He probably messaged it to her to someone they both trust as she has a humiliation kink perhaps but things clearly went out of hand as the person leaked it to the press.
I have no idea man but I can tell you that what seemed to happen there was some very sadistic but consensual bdsm and what we saw was basically something that she gets off to. Note that instead of remotely getting angry or mean he humiliates her for being bruised so easily, that sounds horrible but the point is he focused completely on humiliation and taunting, meaning it seems to be him helping her achieve a kink. An abusive man who is hotheaded would have spoken differently, I know how sick it appears though to the untrained ear.
Edit: There is something very strange about the very end scenario that I post in later posts.
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@PREZ-HILTON
can you please show me the bruise video btw?
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@PREZ-HILTON
Do you realise throughout that
iilluminaughtii video she (or robot female voice reading a script) keeps quoting him out of context?
iilluminaughtii video she (or robot female voice reading a script) keeps quoting him out of context?
He admitted to running casinos only. He has always said he's a wild guy with women as in he's very promiscuous not as in he hurts them. The thing is that it makes no sense at all for the Tate brothers to do it.
Why would they bring an American chick to Romania to hold her against her will yet also allow her completely regular communication even with her bf on phone?
They clearly allowed her to give that false excuse to him that they knew would, if taken serious, make them look bad. Only if they were innocent would it register as a joke.
I don't see it personally, at all. I do think his comments about #metoo are pretty stupid and simpleminded but I expect nothing else from a right wing chauvinistic type.
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@PREZ-HILTON
if you don't see that most men are good and weak at certain things and most women are, relatively and that it actually somewhat compliments if balanced correctly, that's on you.
I don't know a single society that thrived with males being the primary caregivers to the young while the women fulfilled the matriarchal leadership roles but do enlighten me.
I don't know a single society that thrived with males being the primary caregivers to the young while the women fulfilled the matriarchal leadership roles but do enlighten me.
I do know of some matriarchal tribes but even there you often found men filling the many ranks below the 'top queen' type.
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@PREZ-HILTON
no need to, you are making it about you and your trauma.
I'm not inclined to type more though as this really can be used to cancel me a bit irl maybe so i'll just say leave it as an agree to disagree thing
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@PREZ-HILTON
Maybe I attract shit women, but my experience are that they are terrible parents. I can also tell you my own mother did a shit job, it only appears she did good because my dad was so horrible in comparison.
consider this carefully as you aren't disagreeing
That said you are making it very personal and traumatic for you even so I'll let it be.
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@PREZ-HILTON
Do you know the difference between Chauvinistic perspective and Misogyny?
Also he has never denied exceptions occur and that it's a spectrum.
For instance, it would be insane to deny that men are aggressive and generally more overtly sadistic than women are.
It would also be insane to suggest that men make equally good childcarers to women, if we average things out.
If these things trigger you, you can call me a misandrist.
If they don't trigger you, you can say 'yeah so what we're on a spectrum and compliment one another'.
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@3RU7AL
Best, most integrity-embodying thing Carlson did in his whole slimy career if you ask me but I get that is a hot take.
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@PREZ-HILTON
Show proofs. Or how troll are you?
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@thett3
@Bones
@Vici
This thread may interest you, pinged for awareness.
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I am not sure what the fuck has happened to people today to say it is 'misogyny' to know what being a masculine man and feminine woman is and saying 'I like to live my life this way, I will preach it and help others.'
Andrew Tate was one of the world's best kickboxers in his prime and among the elite Karate practioners, though his exact rank isn't known he is essentially arguably among the greatest kickboxers of all time.
He quit what he was doing, perhaps for physical health preservation (not that he lacked skill but he respected the younger fiercer men showing up with talent and skill could, on a bad day, destroy him) and dedicated to different approaches to life, using the money he'd garnered from tournaments and his start-up sponsorships (which weren't much, relative to sports celebs but were decent) and did his own think, grinding.
He has hinted he did use means of tax evasion and ruthless competing and is a shadow partner in businesses he still refuses to inherently name (I beg one has to do with bugatti cars and another with non-Cuban, legal cigars but who knows, maybe he really does love them). For these things, we can vilify him.
As for the suggestion he's trafficked women and such, I am not one to take a side as I also know how shit gets covered up by unscrupulous smugglers but we have to appreciate evidence for what it is. He vehemently denies it and frankly I believe he's the type of guy who'd, if involved in anything like that, offer the women a way out and beat the shit out of certain pimps and abusive clients.
We don't know the story, yet these are plastered on the forefront of any article that tries to then explain how he is misogynistic enough on the platforms to get shut down.
I am not a diehard Andrew Tate fan, I'm a Progressive who doesn't care too much about this superficial macho muscle, bugatti crap but I agree with Tate on a few things.
He simply asked xQc once a very difficult question; if your house is broken into and some men with weapons and strength are gonna essentially rob you or worse, is it your duty as a man, if with your girlfriend/wife, to protect her and risk fighting?
My answer, unlike xQc's cowardly dodge, would have been a brave 'not necessarily' and the reasoning would be that while I'd absolutely agree in a 1v2 or 1v3 even that I can keep things dark or surprise attack and shit, knowing the house much better than the invaders, BUT my main duty as a man vs say even 3 but definitely 4+ invaders is not even to hide, genuinely you may not believe me but I wouldn't hide, I'd either genuinely take my girlfriend and do ninja shit on the roof risking everything (depends, let's say it's an apartment, I'm not against wrappng some torn/cut blankets or shirts etc around our wrists and ankles to easier grapple down the drain pipe and all sorts but realistically if too high up i'd just surrender and hope.
The problem is that if we observe what he says there, it's one of many examples that he doesn't hate women he is just traditionally conservative about a man's role. In my own opinion, if you can't securely kill and/or harm the invaders, you should be an active coward and flee ASAP frantically. Your entire aim should be survival regardless, whether with them, tied up, beaten and cucked, fleeing or attacking.
Your playstyle doesn't mean shit, instead what defines the man is coming out the other end with a live girlfriend/wife and live self that minimised the punishment towards both. Then to sit there, traumatised and sucking it up in an unhealthy but manageable way, by her hospital bed (only possible as you acted rationally) and letting her bitch at you, hate you and all sorts of shit. Patiently, get friendzoned, get blocked and told to get lost for letting it happen to her if need be. Be the fucking man. Three months later she will send you the biggest apology of her life and thank you for completely being there for her, always be open for anything, be it a late night text or whatever (not too open your life and sleep schedule go to too much shit but you get the idea).
It's not easy being a man. It's not easy being the tougher, more leaderlike gender and to even say this sounds so sexist, rude and all that shit.
That's what men were in every fucking culture you can name, especially in ones that lasted. All Tate does is say to be that, that's all his theme is. He encourages you to be resourceful, protective, tough, honest and patient. If these qualities of 'manliness' are misogynistic to want to possess, what the fuck has the word 'misogyny' come to mean?
He was cancelled wrongly. Find me any fucking proof that what I said here was wrong, it's not up to me to find sources for everything I say he said and prove myself right when all his channels got deleted.
There's still reuploads on YT, do your own homework.
I am pretty sure if he'd asked me, not xQc that question, my answer would have made him go a bit silent and reach a middleground agreement.
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you literally broke the law in 2 different ways just so you are aware.
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@Vici
Well, now Tiktok and YT joined in so I'm not sure...
Though people can still reupload Tate's stuff on YT and he has no reason to call them out for copyright as he's cancelled now lmao.
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@zedvictor4
Not really lol.
How is it morally better to create the baby and then kill it? What nonsense are you talking?
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@Shila
Barney may never recover...
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