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@Sidewalker
[Laughs] That reminds me of the Keith Richards joke about the Grateful Dead. What did the Deadhead say when he ran out of drugs? Man, this band sucks.
FM and AOR. All things must pass.
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@Best.Korea
I've already explained to you what I was into and that I'm not into it anymore. Including fake young Japanese girls.
No, cowards run away or refuse to attack.
If an insect is bothering you you squash it. You don't destroy all insects. That would be a futile waste of time. You learn to live with them. You, for example, are an insect. A dime a dozen. A waste of time.
It takes courage to act and conquer the world.
No, it takes an idiot to think he can, especially when his real motive is only ever the fantasy of recreating it in his own likeness.
Cowards dont conquer world.
Yes they do. That is what they do.
Men who attack, they conquer.
Conquer what? Themselves? That is what a real hero does.
Of course, you are old, so your time has passed, if there ever was "your time".
And then have you learned nothing of my zeitgeist?
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@3RU7AL
do materialists really have no ideas ?
Of course they do! Their idea is to destroy ideas. I mean, isn't that obvious? The problem with ideology is that it becomes stagnant and self destructive. It doesn't have to be that way, it just is. So, well, I don't think people tend to follow links but they don't read either. What should I do? I'll post something I could link to on my own forum and at the reader's discretion.
On second thought, better link. I have two. Tough reads, though. Semmelweis Reflex and Devil Bill and The Rattlesnake King.
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@Best.Korea
Thats too bad. Most people who took inspiration from Bible ended up living an insignificant life. Religions such as those turn people into cowards.
Well, that's really stupid and pointless. Why too bad? What is significant and according to who? Society makes cowards. Intellectually and physically. Religion is only one of many forms of expression of ideological fixation. Politics is another. Everything is corrupted. Religion wasn't designed to control people; it was redesigned to be controlled. It's an abused tool like anything else. If anything, religion produces people like your fake Japanese girl in a fetal position shivering in a puddle of her own micturition and snarling at the world she can't be a part of because she's too stupid to do anything else from the corner she was unfortunate enough to find herself backed into. Conformity is the most obvious form of cowardice and your character not only would dictate it but completely fails to see her reasoning for doing so and how that would only bring her more harm. Is that what you intend to demonstrate with her fabrication?
"Oh look at me, I dont wanna hurt anyone."
[Laughs] Yeah. That is so religious! Primum Non Nocere! The stupid hypocrisy of medicine and religion. Another idiot self-loathing ex-Christian atheist? Formerly Warmer I call them. Religion, the vaccine (cow pus) of the masses. Anyone who adheres to any organized religion is an idiot monster coward who hides behind an idea to promulgate their own intellectual and physical weakness. I get that. I just don't get why the solution is always to recreate it. You know what the answer is? It's because you like the idea. Back to Latin. Imitatio Dei.
Its just being a coward, because real men they dont just defend, but they destroy.
Stop it. Real men know better. Cowards destroy. Defending is pointless. Defending what? Against whom?
My parents are religious and they were always cowards who lived in fear from law, fear from society, fear from reputation being lost...
And you doubly so. Which is why you act like a child. Of religion. The nut doesn't fall far from the tree.
I dont see why would a person spend the one life he has in insignificance.
Oh. Well, let me explain it to you in someone else's words. "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." You and religion want to destroy the world? Please, by all means - hurry up, I say - but I don't think you could pull it off. At least not without God. He will either beat you to it or see that you do, but don't expect me to be so foolish to participate in it or sacrifice myself for it. I'll just watch.
If you want to be insignificant, why were you even born? Just return to being dead, as you are insignificant anyway.But real men seek attention, fame, and great battles.
Fuck off. Stop being so predictable and myopic.
Not many people understand that. They prefer being insignificant in hope that it will help them survive, but it wont, as world belongs to the brave and not to insignificant bots.
Carefull, tyrant king, you're going to need some real men to do your dirty work.
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@Best.Korea
I would agree with most of what you are saying but fail to see the significance of it from a societal perspective. Since the industrial revolutions, especially the second, education systems in occidental cultures have been focused on the suppression of ideas in favor of materialism.
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@zedvictor4
While I agree with your sentiment, I've always found the term common sense to be a contradiction in terms.
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@Sidewalker
I thought that other than a few of the dinosaurs, no one made albums anymore. Record stores are relics of the past, like drive in movies and blacksmiths. and malls. Though you can still listen to those old records on YouTube. I've started my own collection which I use to embed on my website. Revelation In Space - YouTube
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@Best.Korea
I understand that you hate Hitler, but he had balls to fight war against 4 greatest superpowers in history at the same time.
My source of inspiration is the Bible. It teaches two types of hate; the first is unrighteous hate, which is basically the wish for or call upon bad for anyone else. I don't hate anyone in that regard. The other is a righteous hatred which basically is the refusal to have anything to do with something or someone. I got a lot of that. In that regard I hate people in general and the world, for example. So, I don't hate Hitler. I think he was a scapegoat of American, British and Soviet propaganda. He's no worse than any political leader. A puppet and not terribly bright, but otherwise boring and insignificant.
He was also the second greatest speaker in history, as I think I am number 1 in speech greatness now and my powers are only increasing.
Words are a prison.
So yeah, if you want to be a coward, you wont achieve anything in life.
I'm afraid I'm going to have to consider that a personal challenge. I'm going to form a global paradigm to defeat your own. Using artificial intelligence, I have already constructed a personalized shield which protects me and any of the citizens of my new global initiative from attacks of any type. Explosive, projectile, chemical, biological and punching in the face. I've also developed a new power source which uses neutrionic magnification on each individual device, including space travel and robotics. No more need for a grid. Very shortly I will have the means to immobilize entire armies and protect large areas with a similar shield as I've developed for personal use. Then I'm going to take over the world by removing all forms of monetary incentive. The Ministry of Science and Technology (MoST) will provide, free of charge, the needs of every man, woman and child on earth. All corrupt forms of religion, politics and commerce, including military, energy, pharmaceutical and agriculture will instantly be obsolete. Crime, disease, famine eliminated.
How do you like those apples?
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@Best.Korea
I dont like peaceful battles where you just sit until someone shoots you in the head.
You prefer violent battles where you bark like a dog until you shoot yourself in the head?
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@Best.Korea
Well, how about Ghandi? Now there was an evil little creep for you to emulate. Churchill? Can't you have a proper hero?
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@Best.Korea
Its kinda like playing the game where you cant lose, so its not even that fun.
Bummer. Maybe get some side hustle or volunteer to work a soup kitchen a couple times a week - some sort of leisure activity. I hear bowling is nice.
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@Best.Korea
Uh aliens?
Artist. On Parenthood.
We are all swollen
From hiding his affairs
Let's put it all on the table
Let it all out
It is time
He mustn't steal our light
Clean plate: Tabula rasa for my children
Clean plate: Not repeating the fuck-ups of the fathers
My deepest wish
Is that you're immersed in grace and dignity
But you will have to deal with shit soon enough
I hoped to give you the least amount of luggage
Got the right to make your own fresh mistakes
And not repeat others' failures
Clean plate: Tabula rasa for my children
Let's clean up: Break the chain of the fuck-ups of the fathers
It is time: For us women to rise and not just take it lying down
It is time: The world is listening
Oh, how I love you
Embarrassed to pass this mess over to you
But he led two lives
Thought ours was the only one
You are strong
You are strong
You are strong
You're so strong
I am not one of those who gets turned on by the thought of aliens destroying us, but my predicted victory plan will conquer the world irrelevant of what aliens or humans do.
Remember what I said? "The world is nonsense. It's just white noise."
I will conquer the world through mere force of idea, but I often overestimate the logical abilities of my enemies, which is why I often put more effort than I need to.
Sounds like a plan. For video games and cartoons. Didn't work out too well for Shinto. From an old article I wrote on Shinto a long time ago. Sounds very much like your philosophy of world domination.
"The Mikado's, or Emperor's land was viewed as the center of the world from which must spread the political and religious awareness throughout the entire world. Military conquest became the holy mission of Japan. By 1941 the entire nation was mobilized to that effect. The Kamikaze, or divine wind, would fail them miserably.
In 1945 the destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki had a devastating effect upon Shinto and Japanese religious faith. Emperor Hirohito was a defeated mortal and the people began to think that there was no God or Buddha. As is always the case with religion, the original teachings are transmogrified to the detriment of the people. The importance of benefiting the community turned into something which became extremely harmful to the community. The gods become men and men fail."
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@Best.Korea
Well, the world belongs to the young and hot.
[Laughs] No.
At least, not until they're old and cold.
I say plenty of things, so its hard to put it in few words, but if I were to describe myself in few sentences, then I would say I want to punch people in the face, but also write strategies on how to conquer people ideologically.
So. You must be really young then. Or really old and just being silly. The inclination to punch people in the face doesn't go away. Only the perspective of the consequences does. The desire to conquer people ideologically means you've already been defeated in that capacity. If you are actually old and silly keep entertaining yourself, but if you are really young, you'll grow out of that and realize whether or not there is any merit in the Nash equilibrium.
I say what I say, because through talking, I plant my ideas in other people's minds. It can be done directly by telling them the idea, or by leading them to an idea by showing them path to it, by giving them pieces of information which logically form that idea.
Heh. You simultaneously under and overestimate logical thought? No. One or the other? No. As you aren't truly Japanese, I'm not truly human. I'm an android. Get it? Raymond Sheen. Ray Machine. From the future. I'm posthumously imbued with the soul of a lifelong atheist. Someone once said that history is written by the victor, another said all art is propaganda, another said art is the lie that lets us see the truth. Soon everything will be eviscerated in a flash of light. It's Infinitely more beneficial to receive than give when it comes to thought and ideas.
No, I wish tho, as I find Japanese race to be a more superior race than white.
There's only one race, and it leads to destruction.
Shinto is the best religion yes, even tho I have many religions, and I am even a satanist, but site doesn't let me choose that as a religion.
That doesn't seem fair. But it isn't about best or worst. Satan is a Hebrew word that means adversary/resistor. Did you know that? For example, at Numbers 22:22 God's angel (messenger) stands in the road to oppose, or resist, block, as an adversary, to Balaam. At Isaiah 14:12 the term Lucifer is often misinterpreted as being Satan, when actually the Latin translation is only a term meaning light bearer, day star, or morning star. It's actually in reference there to Nebuchadnezzar as a representative of the Babylonian empire. Signifying change. The term is also applied to Jesus and Satan. Lucifer, Think lightning bug, glow worm, Bill Gates vaccine tattoo. Luciferase.
Here's a song for you. For fun. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYbZw04ba78
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@Best.Korea
Biographer? Oh, I don't think you would want that. I'm totally honest. To a fault. Dictators don't tend to respond well to that. Best make me a prisoner or execute me straight off. I wonder. Which offer would be more impolite. Huh? Let me try this . . . ahem . . . ダメもと. Damemoto. Googled it. Not particularly helpful.
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@Best.Korea
Young and hot? That doesn't mean anything to me. I'm interested in what you (and everyone) have to say. Though that is only surface. Facade with most people. I'm more interested in puzzling out why you (and everyone) say than what they say. Or think. Feel. It's interesting that I only just now looked at your profile. Japanese. For real?!
Holy hell! Now, there's a puzzling lot. I often say that Shinto is the closest thing there is to a true religion. Only due to its syncretistic nature from the start.
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@Best.Korea
I don't know you very well. It seems to me that that is your principal tenant. I think you are young, are you not? Like early 20s, I would imagine. I don't know if what you say here is real in any way other than a reflection of a temporal mood. That's how I see your posts. I don't see you, then, really, I see your posts. That's why I asked you the question of nature. You don't have a sense of belonging to nature, you have a sense of not belonging with people. People are the enemy, and must be destoyed. Playfully you are the tyrant king. Hitler wasn't really so bad, but his legacy is infamous so he's a really good representative for a rebel without a cause. Like in this country Charles Manson was.
You're young. You'll get bored with that nonsense and one day wonder how you might have wasted your energy in a time when it should have been at it's peek, but is it really a waste or is it making you what you become? The world is nonsense. It's just white noise.
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@Best.Korea
Nature is the enemy and it needs to be destroyed?
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@Tradesecret
There is a difference between Jewish (or any other) thought and tradition. Jews and Christians often disagree with me and that's fine, I'm interested in hearing what everyone has to say, but Jewish tradition is as corrupted as any other and that naturally skewers their thinking and education. Their schooling and learning on the subject aren't tenable from the start. If anyone disagrees with the immortal soul as unscriptural all they have to do is misinterpret Ezekiel 18:4 or Matthew 10:28. It's pretty straight forward. Then they have to deny the historical documentation of the pagan influence.
The church was apostate, as Paul and others warned in the Bible. That's only natural. Just look at the Hebrew scriptures. Jewish objection to me tends, oddly, to be more cerebral; linguistic, whereas Christian objection to me is more emotional.
Yet what you don't seem to acknowledge is that perhaps the immortal soul was something that God intentionally brought into the church, even using the pagan religions to introduce it.
No. Pagan means outside of. Baptism, tombstones, wedding rings, windchimes and many of the tenets of the Bible writers were first written about and practiced by the "pagans." The Bible is the source, not the church. I myself am outside the church because the church has become corrupt. Their teachings aren't in line with the Bible.
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@zedvictor4
Interesting. I'm currently translating the first chapter of Genesis. Verse 2 which normally reads something like: "The earth was formless and empty. Darkness was on the surface of the deep and God’s Spirit was hovering over the surface of the waters." I have translated as: "At that time the earth was a dark and barren desolation; and God's dynamic energy was concentrated on the surface of the primeval ocean." Dynamic energy.
I think the only simulation reality, though, is the one we create. Deus ex machina.
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@zedvictor4
I had a friend who was crazy about Blackadder and tried to get me into it, but it just never took with me. I could get into it, I think, but just have never got the chance other than a brief glance at his place. I remember Laurie, French and Saunders on The Young Ones back in the 80s when MTV regularly ran it. The aforementioned friend gave me the Young Ones box set DVD.
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Forget the red pill. Eat the red berries. Do y'all (Brits) get House, M.D. across the pond, as they say. You know, Hugh Laurie speaking 'merican.
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@rosends
Wow! So, I've gotten rusty. Too much time by myself, I'm pulling nonsense out of my hat. When I should know better. I'll step my game up. Thanks for the feedback. That's why I'm here.
Todah rabah.
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@Stephen
The question I have always posed to Christians when it comes to disease is - why did Jesus cure only a few "lepers" and not eradicate all leprosy? I am still waiting for a answer.
You won't like it. Jesus curing was a sort of parlor trick for the unbelievers and weak in faith. Like his wounds for doubting Thomas was. His showing that he could heal showed his power through God's holy spirit, to resurrect. Everyone he and the disciples and the prophets of old healed died later.
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@Stephen
And so we can take it then that Satan, also a creation of god , has been destroyed? Or are you going to redefine the word " Today" in the above verse?Luke 23:43
Ha. You've corrected me. I said the next day for some reason. Thanks. We don't have to redifine the word. It would be the same as today for the criminal. He dies. He doesn't go to heaven, he doesn't go to hell (not the pagan apostate Christian adoption of hell) but the grave. When he is resurrected it won't seem to him like thousands of years later because he will have been dead all that time.
I see. So has nothing to do with transgressing the law of god?
That, uh, that would be missing the mark.
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@Stephen
Sin is a Hebrew transliteration. It means missing the target. For example, archers and those using slingshots sinned if they missed. If you are late for work you sin against your employer. If you exceed the speed limit you sin against the government, the law.
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@Stephen
In the paradise that will exist once sin, Satan, etc. are destroyed. So, the "thief" would die that day, and when he woke up, it would be, to him, like the next day, even though thousands of years later.
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@Stephen
Will this be the paradise mentioned by Jesus?
No. Paradise Jesus spoke of in that instance is the earth the meek inhabit. The one of the 144,000 is the many mansions. (John 14:2)
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@RationalMadman
No, but if I were and I gave it all to you could you put it where your mouth is? Metaphorically speaking of course. The, uh, the analogy being of course, put your money where your mouth is. In that particular - uh - idiom.
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@Stephen
Then if there is a war in your country you would be fighting for you and yours to exist within that country.
No. I wouldn't. Vengeance belongs to who? Not mine. You know? If there was a war in my country I would die before killing anyone for any reason. Deus Vult doesn't fly with me. God isn't on my side, nor am I needed on his. Satan offered Jesus all nations of all time. They were Satan's to offer. Satin is the God of this world. (2 Corinthians 4:4)
Let's say another country comes to war with mine, a "Christian" nation. "Christian" soldiers. Do they kill one another for God and country? For freedom or democracy? Let's say my country goes to war with God at Armageddon. Do I go? No. The Bible wasn't written for us, it was written for those in another time and place under different circumstances. It's only useful to us as an example.
I asked you then what "world" do you belong to? You replied - "The world of Adam, the world of Noah which was destroyed," #11That "world" was corrupted by one of gods own at the very dawn of mankind by one of god's own, if the bible is to be believed.
Who else would it have been corrupted by?
Indeed, but you have been denying this and telling us that "like Jesus you don't belong to this world".#7 Let me tell you, Jesus was very much part of this world, he wasn't a god nor was he a literal "son of a god", he was son of god in title only as were other biblical characters.
I've explained this. I hear your opinion. You've heard mine.
Who said? Jesus? Does god himself ever offer "salvation"?
Jehovah does, of course.
There were no Jews in Noah's day. And it's debateable if he was Hebrew. Noah was from Mesopotamia and the Adam originated from there too although not created there.
In 539 BCE (some say 537_) Jerusalem was destroyed by the Babylonians. In 70 CE Jerusalem was destroyed by the Romans . Prior to that, the world on a more massive scale, in a general sense, was destroyed in the deluge of Noah's day.
Yes the Nephilim, otherwise know as "the sons of god". Do you not see a pattern emerging here?
I've seen it. All the people, all the spirit beings, are "sons of god."
And you believe this was gods doing , for the sins of the Israelites, do you?
Do you not?
I believe that I do.
Okay.
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@Benjamin
So hell as a type of afterlife doesn't exist, got it.
According to the Bible. According to pagan mythology going back to Babylon, well - probably Mesopotamia, whatever, hell has various applications. The Buddhist hell etc. Sometimes it's cold, sometimes hot, sometimes everlasting, sometimes temporary. Christian tradition adopted hell from the pagans, as they often do, probably to get the pagans to join their apostate power scheme. Easter, Christmas - Christmas wasn't accepted by most "Christians" until Dickens' Christmas Carol. That's, what, 1840?
On my site: hell for Desktop (much better) For mobile devices (not so muchness). According to the Bible when we die, that's it. We're worm food. But with the possibility of resurrection. People who are introduced to the "truth" judge themselves. Believers, by their behavior, judge themselves possible recipients of everlasting life. Unbelievers judge themselves not interested in that possibility so aren't resurrected. The responsibility of a Bible believer, which I'm, is to educate the prospective candidates so they can make an informed decision. For them to decide to accept or reject it is the desired outcome. So long as they are informed. There is also a resurrection of judgement (judgement day) for the unrighteous. Those who haven't been introduced to the possibilities. They will then be given that opportunity, to decide for or against. Everlasting life or everlasting destruction. (Acts 24:15)
This is 12x12x1000, a very round and symbolic number. But the Bible never states that there is a hard cap on who can get into heaven, and definitely doesn't specify how many.
Revelation 7, 14?
The reason is that God and Jesus have no real idea of what sin is like. No practical experience with it. It would be unfair of them to judge. It's a peer thing.
Any place we wouldn't want to be in, you could not call heaven, as the word is DEFINED as the place you want to go to. But sure. Then are the 144.000 taken against their will?
Heaven is defined as high. Lift your hand above your head - that's heaven. There are various degrees of height, of course. The expanse (atmosphere) etc. Above the physical heavens are the spiritual heavens. Spirit comes from Hebrew and Greek words which mean invisible to us, but producing results we can see. Wind, for example, breath, compelled mental inclination, spirit beings. The Greek word pneuma, from which comes pneumatic and pneumonia.
People redefine the word heaven, interpreting it to mean whatever would be "heavenly" to them. Which is silly because not only is that not what it means but what we want isn't necessarily what God wants. For example, going full circle round you logically, if I may, shooting schools up, going to heaven instead of earth, sinning, dying, going to hell. etc.
Adam was created to live forever, otherwise death, sin, hell, would be pointless.
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@Benjamin
Seriously? That's the best you could do? Am I supposed to take that and think what? Don't shoot up schools? Hell is a nice place to be? Sacrifice my suicide for theirs? We all die in the end? What is the point?
People shoot up schools therefore God doesn't exist? C'mon.
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@Benjamin
Here's the problem with politicizing atheistic ideology. Ideology, the science of ideas. Problem is, most of it is shit. Stupid shit.
Biblically, 100% of people, adult and children, go to hell. That's because hell is the grave. Virtually 0% of all adults and children go to heaven. That's becuase the meek inherit the earth and live forever upon it. Like Adam was meant to. I say virtually because a very small number of people do/will go to heaven to judge with Christ. 144,000 to be exact. We wouldn't want to go to heaven. Earth was created for us. Heaven wasn't.
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The immortal soul is a pagan concept. Soul comes from a root word which means to bind. Superstitious pagan peoples would bind the hands and feet upon burial to prevent the dead from harming the living. The word evolved into a similar meaning always associated with large bodies of water (the sea) for the same reason. It was thought that the immortal souls were confined in large bodies of water, preventing them from bothering the living.
When translating the Bible from the Hebrew and Greek to English the word soul would be problematic due to it's pagan roots. However, it was the closest word we had. The Hebrew nephesh and the Greek psykhe are the Biblical terms translated into soul. The Hebrew word comes from a root that literally means "breather." The Greek word has a similar meaning. It means life and all that involves. A living being. That can be somewhat complicated by the usual obstacles, like variation in the the use of the word. Greek philosophers or modern day psychiatrists use the Greek word psykhe corresponds to the Hebrew word nephesh (nefesh, etc.)
The soul, according to the Bible, that is, nephesh or psykhe, is mortal, destructible.
Compare translations Ezekiel 18:4: "Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul who sins, he shall die." (WEB)
Compare translations Matthew 10:28: "Don't be afraid of those who kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul. Rather, fear him who is able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna." (WEB)
Journal of Biblical Literature (Vol. XVI, p. 30): "Soul in English usage at the present time conveys usually a very different meaning from נפש [ne′phesh] in Hebrew, and it is easy for the incautious reader to misinterpret."
The New York Times, October 12, 1962: H. M. Orlinsky of Hebrew Union College states regarding nefesh: "Other translators have interpreted it to mean 'soul,' which is completely inaccurate. The Bible does not say we have a soul. 'Nefesh' is the person himself, his need for food, the very blood in his veins, his being."
New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967, V:ol. XIII, p. 467): "Nepes [ne′phesh] is a term of far greater extension than our 'soul,' signifying life (Ex 21.23; Dt 19.21) and its various vital manifestations: breathing (Gn 35.18; Jb 41.13[21]), blood [Gn 9.4; Dt 12.23; Ps 140(141).8], desire (2 Sm 3.21; Prv 23.2). The soul in the O[ld] T[estament] means not a part of man, but the whole man—man as a living being. Similarly, in the N[ew] T[estament] it signifies human life: the life of an individual, conscious subject (Mt 2.20; 6.25; Lk 12.22-23; 14.26; Jn 10.11, 15, 17; 13.37)."
The New American Bible Glossary of Biblical Theology Terms (pp. 27, 28): "In the New Testament, to 'save one's soul' (Mk 8:35) does not mean to save some 'spiritual' part of man, as opposed to his 'body' (in the Platonic sense) but the whole person with emphasis on the fact that the person is living, desiring, loving and willing, etc., in addition to being concrete and physical."
Koehler and Baumgartner's Lexicon in Veteris Testamenti Libros (Leiden, 1958, p. 627) on nephesh: "the breathing substance, making man a[nd] animal living beings Gn 1, 20, the soul (strictly distinct from the greek notion of soul) the seat of which is the blood Gn 9, 4f Lv 17, 11 Dt 12, 23: (249 X) . . . soul = living being, individual, person."
New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967), Vol. XIII, pp. 449, 450: "There is no dichotomy [division] of body and soul in the O[ld] T[estament]. The Israelite saw things concretely, in their totality, and thus he considered men as persons and not as composites. The term nepeš [ne′phesh], though translated by our word soul, never means soul as distinct from the body or the individual person. . . . The term [psy‧khe′] is the N[ew] T[estament] word corresponding with nepeš. It can mean the principle of life, life itself, or the living being."
The New Encyclopædia Britannica (1976), Macropædia, Vol. 15, p. 152: "The Hebrew term for 'soul' (nefesh, that which breathes) was used by Moses . . . , signifying an 'animated being' and applicable equally to nonhuman beings. . . . New Testament usage of psychē ('soul') was comparable to nefesh."
The Jewish Encyclopedia (1910), Vol. VI, p. 564: "The belief that the soul continues its existence after the dissolution of the body is a matter of philosophical or theological speculation rather than of simple faith, and is accordingly nowhere expressly taught in Holy Scripture."
New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967), Vol. XIII, pp. 452, 454: "The Christian concept of a spiritual soul created by God and infused into the body at conception to make man a living whole is the fruit of a long development in Christian philosophy. Only with Origen [died c. 254 C.E.] in the East and St. Augustine [died 430 C.E.] in the West was the soul established as a spiritual substance and a philosophical concept formed of its nature. . . . His [Augustine's] doctrine . . . owed much (including some shortcomings) to Neoplatonism."
Dictionnaire Encyclopédique de la Bible (Valence, France; 1935), edited by Alexandre Westphal, Vol. 2, p. 557: "The concept of immortality is a product of Greek thinking, whereas the hope of a resurrection belongs to Jewish thought. . . . Following Alexander's conquests Judaism gradually absorbed Greek concepts."
The Religion of Babylonia and Assyria (Boston, 1898), M. Jastrow, Jr., p. 556: "The problem of immortality, we have seen, engaged the serious attention of the Babylonian theologians. . . . Neither the people nor the leaders of religious thought ever faced the possibility of the total annihilation of what once was called into existence. Death was a passage to another kind of life."
Plato's "Phaedo," Secs. 64, 105, as published in Great Books of the Western World (1952), edited by R. M. Hutchins, Vol. 7, pp. 223, 245, 246: "Do we believe that there is such a thing as death? . . . Is it not the separation of soul and body? And to be dead is the completion of this; when the soul exists in herself, and is released from the body and the body is released from the soul, what is this but death? . . . And does the soul admit of death? No. Then the soul is immortal? Yes."
Presbyterian Life, May 1, 1970, p. 35: "Immortality of the soul is a Greek notion formed in ancient mystery cults and elaborated by the philosopher Plato."
Phaedo, 80, D, E; 81, A: Plato, quoting Socrates: "The soul, . . . if it departs pure, dragging with it nothing of the body, . . . goes away into that which is like itself, into the invisible, divine, immortal, and wise, and when it arrives there it is happy, freed from error and folly and fear . . . and all the other human ills, and . . . lives in truth through all after time with the gods."
Also see
Liddell and Scott's Greek-English Lexicon, revised by H. Jones, 1968, pp. 2026, 2027;
Donnegan's New Greek and English Lexicon, 1836, p. 1404
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When I was very young everyone called me Opie. Opie Taylor on The Andy Griffith Show. There was a professional photograph my folks had of me as a kid. It was black and white. And I looked exactly like him in the black and white. I don't have red hair though, so it only worked in black and white. In my late teens people said I looked like John Cougar (later Meloncamp). Now, however, I think I look like Rick from Pawn Stars.
My brother, being the typical brother, and prone to exaggeration, says, laughing, that I look like Butterbean.
In my youth I was, well, almost stunningly good looking. Now, I'm a big, fat, ugly old sack of turd. No one cares if I live or die, ya' fat old thing. In some ways I'm much happier now.
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@Stephen
And you may well die but it won't be because you don't pledge allegiance to anything. It'll be because your own life is on the line or the lives of your loved ones.
That sort of goies without saying, doesn't it?
So you belong to the corrupted world of both these bible characters? Corrupted by one of his own creations.
What? Not being part of the world means that you are not an active participant in the corruption. Uh - let's put it in a way perhaps easier for you to understand. Not all politicians are corrupt, but the system is. The ones not corrupt don't do the corrupt stuff. Pretty simple. So, we are all a part of the system, the world we live in. We have to be. But we don't have to actively participate in the corruption or look to the corruption as a sustainable solution to our problems. It isn't a battle of good against evil because we are all evil, but we try as much as we can - and fail. We can't do otherwise. But we can look towards a better solution not of our origin. Salvation.
And why was they destroyed..... twice?
Why? Faithlessness, I suppose. The flood occured because the world of Noah's day had become so corrupt it couldn't survive. It was self-destructing in a way more rapidly than it would have if it would have without the presence and influence of the Nephilim. Jerusalem was destroyed twice. First by the Babylonians and then the Romans.
Indeed, GOD made the once wise ,foolish. Just like GOD hardened the heart of Pharaoh. Who knows what Pharaoh would have done had GOD not made him stubborn?
I think it would be safe for me to say that you don't really understand what you are criticizing. Saul, for example. You can't understand why God was, in a sense, responsible for his going nuts. Because God took his spirit from him. Begging the question what does the word spirit mean? How does it work? What happens when it's taken away? You can't really effectively argue something you don't understand by equivocating knowledge of it with absurdity. 1 Corinthians 1:20
Yes GOD can excuse himself for anything can't he, without regret. 2 Corinthians 7:10.
Uh, I don't know, give me some examples. The Hebrew word Israel means to wrestle, contend, grapple with God and thus find salvation. Jacob, for example. (Genesis 32:28) That's sort of what you are doing, no?
Indeed, human life is cheap to god as displayed in many places in those versions of the bible that you mention. Job being a prime example.
Life is sacred. Sacred means it belongs to God. On the other hand, to him, we are like grasshoppers. How does that make you feel? How do you think of grasshoppers or insects? From your perspective. (Isaiah 40:22)
I find it funny that GOD again tells us how much he loved the earth but tells us not to love it.
James 4:4 Tell me, according to the Bible, the difference between the earth and the world. I think that in order to do that effectively you have to not be an embittered ideologue. Just my two cents.
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"Sexual deviations".I would suggest that procreational drive explains all deviations.I currently prefer to run with the idea of evolved systems and processes.
Could you eloborate on that? I'm trying to imagine where you might be coming from and I got nothing. I can't imagine.
Rather than a click of the Magician's fingers.
C'mon. That would be like me sayiing of evolution that a monkey's tail broke off and it became human. It's a straw man.
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Yeah, though the Proto-Germanic meaning of guda and its etymology is uncertain, it's generally agreed that the late Proto-Indo-European is ambiguous, deriving from a root ǵʰew- "to pour, libate." or "to call, invoke." It's from sacrifice. Like the Wiki article I linked to says. Like Sanskrit. The pre-Christian use. Saying it comes from Gudan, meaning divine being is like saying it's just a translation without considering the root and its meaning. Okay, then, what does divine being mean? Someone or something considered high (the word heaven means simply high, above.) Sacrifices were being made by the pagans to a higher being. Pouring, libation.
The Bible mentions many gods. Moses was God, the judges of Israel, angels, Satan, inanimate objects, idols, Pharaohs, Dagon, Molech, Baal, etc. The English dictionary definition of the word god includes examples of various gods. Idols, fate, rulers, respected people. Eric Clapton, Kim Jong-un. Consider the pagan gods of fertility. The cross is a phallic symbol from Tammuz (Ezekiel 8) the Sumerian Damuzi. He was Nimrod. Zeus is a good example of the application of God and gods, existing literally or figuratively.
"The ancient Greek word for god is theos, from the Proto-Hellenic reconstruction of *tʰehós; Theos can be a god, God, a ruler, and when in the feminine, a goddess. It's a thematicization of the Proto-Indo-European *dʰéh₁s which comes from a root meaning "to do, or put, to place" A thematicization is where a thematic vowel is inserted on the root or stem of the word to make it undergo a productive vocalic inflection.
A cognate is a word having the same linguistic derivation as another, from the same original word or root. For example, the English is, German ist, Latin est are from the Indo-European esti. Theos is a cognate with the Phrygian δεως (deōs, "to the gods"), Old Armenian դիք (dikʿ, "pagan gods") and Latin fēriae ("festival days"), fānum ("temple") and fēstus ("festive"). Though the Latin deus appears similar it is actually a cognate of Zeus, meaning "sky, heaven, sky god," which was applied to Zeus specifically, to other gods, and to emperors of Rome.
Words translated as god are associated with the use of pagan worship because that is how the words were used prior to Christianity; festivals, temples, pagan gods, sacrifice, libation, pouring, invocation, prayer and sky are meanings associated with worship. God is just a word, not a name. In the Classical Latin the polytheistic Romans didn't use the regularly constructed singular form of deus (*dee) because they addressed their gods individually by name. It was only in the Late Latin after Rome's conversion to monotheistic Christianity where God was used as a name, though it was never meant to be used in that way. The writers of the Bible were neither mono or polytheistic, they were henotheistic. They worshiped one supreme god but acknowledged that lesser gods existed as the examples above show."
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@Stephen
Forgot.
I am assuming that you are referring to the JW's version of THE bible namely New World Translation in which they have simply used modern words instead of ancient Greek or Hebrew equivalents?
I hear this technology they used is called - translation.
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@zedvictor4
A bit too satirical for you perhaps.
Well, no, I got that, but didn't quite get the context.
So, the basis of "sexuality" is procreational drive.
That really doesn't explain various sexual deviations that aren't geared towards procreation. Masturbation, homosexuality, beastiality.
Who someone might cohabit with, or the colour of their wallpaper, or their chosen breed of dog is simply relative to trend rather than to sexual satisfaction per se.In my opinion.
Mine as well. From the Biblical perspective God created sex to be enjoyable but also with the primary purpose of procreation. It's like anything else, really, eating and food for example. Its purpose and pleasure obvious, as its potential for abuse or neglect.
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[A] No one knows who rote the gospels.
Irrelevant. No one knows who wrote the patriot act.
[B] There is and always will be many other planets, but you seem to be conflating worlds with planets. I drift off into my own "world" often as do millions of resident of this planet.
So, the Hebrew erets, Greek ge (as in geology, geography) like our word earth, means different things. The Greek kosmos (as in cosmetics, cosmos), means adornment. The Bible says the earth will last forever but the world will be destroyed. They aren't necessarily the same.
So is it world or planet? And what is it called?
Depends on the context.
You have also "rendered unto Caesar" via taxes.
Your logic is flawed. Unsophisticated, low resolution. Jesus said he and his followers were no part of the world, and render unto Caesar. You have to examine the meaning there.
Well I am sure you will when the shit hits the fan over there in the USA.
I would rather die and that is exactly what I would do.
I may well do if I knew of and understood "the world you live in"?
The world of Adam, the world of Noah which was destroyed, the world of the Jews which was destroyed twice, my world, your world, the world, are all different. (1 Corinthians 1:20, 21; 2 Corinthians 7:10; James 4:4)
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Another thing? It is the thing. Nothing in this world exists without conspiracy. It makes the world go round and round.
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@Mall
Perhaps, but certainly if the state is the belief system.
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@zedvictor4
To me God principle is a really interesting choice of words in the context of theistic atheism. The English word God was originally used by the pagans, before Christianity applied it to the Biblical gods. It means libation, to pour. The Biblical Hebrew comes from a root that means simply mighty/strong. God, of the Bible, wasn't a god or anyone's God until he created, for example, spirit (invisible, i.e. breath/wind) beings. There can't be a god until there are people, spirit or physical, to venerate it.
Principle means a fundamental truth or proposition that serves as the foundation for a system of belief or behavior or for a chain of reasoning: a rule or belief governing one's personal behavior: morally correct behavior and attitudes. That is, in effect, basically a god.
I think the bases of popular deism/theism is naïve analogies and hypothesis in the same sense that science or "science" often is. After the fact. The difference being that the theistic were based on some root element, it seems. For example, the cross, giants or flood. Eridu Genesis or Atrahasis (17th century BCE) and The Epic of Gilgamesh (c. 2150-1400 BCE). The Bible is grossly misrepresented by theology.
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@zedvictor4
So you're sort of up there with FLRW and Ebuc, in terms of American parts.I'm basing this upon your retired status.
Yes. 57, actually. Early retirement.
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@zedvictor4
Allegedly shot himself. Or escaped to South America along with others.
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@zedvictor4
Uh . . . sorry?
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Does the question require punctuation?
Does it? Grammar isn't my forte.
belief is proof, what is the necessity of either proof or belief.
Necessity? Is there? I think people sometimes mistake proof as factual. [ETA: actually, it is, but they mistake factual as certain. It's a bit circular] factual as Especially in atheist vs. theist discussions. They see theism as belief and atheism as fact, for example.
Nice to metaphorically see a new face Raymond.Which metaphorical corner of the globe do you hail from?
Thanks. Likewise. Normally I'm all alone working on my site which is very isolated. Sort of insulated.
I'm American! Obvious, isn't it. English, of course, is Germanic, linguistically and geographically. Americans are sort of fake. And stupid. I believe it was you that was saying somewhere idiots are taught to be idiots. Americans, such as myself, certainly fall under that category. Fortunately for me, I grew up with British comedy.
I know what a pram is! And wonky. That sort of thing.
Waldorf Salad
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@thr19
You have to post 25 responses before you can post a new topic. Then the button to click on will appear. In case you haven't figured that out yet. Just post some quick responses.
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@zedvictor4
It's British!
I keep thinking how odd you people seem. More intelligent than what I'm accustomed to but with an oddness unusual to me. You're British aren't you? I mean not all of you, just more of you than I'm used to.
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