Shila

--> @Shila

Slavery was not practical to the Jews because it would be impossible to teach the slaves all the different commandments and restrictions required in Jewish households.

Are you saying Jews didn't keep slaves?

Arguing about definitions in religion...

That would be called philosophy. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° )

> @Shila

 Talking of cunts.

Q. What is the only animal with a cunt in the middle of it's back?

--> @Greyparrot

Putin's objective was never peace.

Putin's assumption was an immediate Ukrainian capitulation in the face of overwhelming odds.

But he underestimated the courage and solidarity of the Ukrainian people.

Now he's between a rock and a hard place.

So.

Not sure where your downer on the U.K. stems from. But you do seem to have a tendency to want to blame everyone but the real culprit. 

Maybe you have a thing for bad guys.

-> @Tarik

One thing about me is I’m very uncomfortable with not having closure so maybe for most people they can be satisfied without digging deep within themselves to ask these philosophical questions and having no answers at all but I’m not wired like that, I need everything to make sense in order to find purpose in it, no pun intended.

I think there is a basic difference between us. From what you say you seek a meaning to life and it would seem you have found the answer in God and if this gives you fulfilment that is fine.

 

My perspective is different. I see no meaning in life, for me life is short and pointless and I have no need for God. That doesn’t mean I can’t perceive beauty, be in awe of existence and take pleasure in it, or alternatively see tragedy and feel compassion for those who suffer.

--> @Shila

How can a blind person agree how bright the sun is by virtue of being able to agree on the number of photons per square meter?

The same way we 'see' anything beyond any of our sensory ranges. A sighted person can't see radiation any better than a blind person, but both can detect and measure it. In the same way, a blind person can measure photons.

--> @Shila

One would assume that the concept of slave inevitably means that the enslaved can be utilised in any which way, irrespective of the slave's former ideological position.

Master... What are you doing Slave?

Slave... I'm praying to my GOD.

Master... Get on with your work and don't be impudent.

Sort of thing.

--> @RationalMadman

Lol, I am a realist. America cant afford a prolonged war like we did on false pretenses with korea/vietnam/iraq/afghan just to enrich the military lobbies.

If the UK wants to send Boris to stop a peace deal, that's on the UK. Then you can explain to the world how important it was to burn Ukraine to the ground to "punish Putin"

--> @Shila

men want the right to decide who they work for, you know, with their bodies

But Abortion is performed on a woman’s body. Shouldn’t she have rights over her own body?

yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes

--> @Shila

unless the material was very original and interesting.

Exactly, at least the ones before 2016.

It's been six months. I'd hardly call that endless.

--> @Shila

How can a blind person agree how bright the sun is by virtue of being able to agree on the number of photons per square meter?

exactly

in order for something to be "objective"

it must be "identical to all possible observers" which obviously includes blind people, but also includes horses and dogs and cave crickets

in order for something to be "objective"

it must be "unbiased" and it is a tautological fact that all data processed by humans is SAMPLE BIASED

--> @Shila

collected and compiled 325 years after the fact

A collection of eyewitness accounts of Jesus’s generation preserved however long are still eyewitness accounts.

They are certainly more reliable than pure speculation.

do you consider the holy qur'an to have equal validity

or perhaps the book of mormon

--> @Shila

A blind persons view of the sun will always be subjective because he cannot verify it.

Even accepting the view of  someone who can see will also be subjective because he cannot verify that either.

That is no different than someone who can see but relies on a blind persons view of the sun. It too is subjective.

That is why the Bible describes Christian’s as the  blind leading the blind.

Luke 6:39 He also told them this parable: “Can the blind lead the blind? Will they not both fall into a pit?

Brightness would be visible photons per square meter.

A blind person can agree how bright the sun is by virtue of being able to agree on the number of photons per square meter.

Being able to see the sun is not a requirement.

Now ‘very bright’ could be an arbitrarily decided value upon or the blind person would have to take someone’s word for it that it’s ‘very bright’ based on some else’s vision tolerance. 

Either way ‘very bright’ is a thing of human construction, and not something objective that can be determined and agreed independently.

Now ‘very bright’ could be an arbitrarily decided value upon or the blind person would have to take someone’s word for it that it’s ‘very bright’ based on some else’s vision tolerance.

Either way ‘very bright’ is a thing of human construction, and not something objective that can be determined and agreed independently.

--> @Elliott

Survival is the basic driving force for all living things, as to why, probably because it is encoded in the DNA of all species.

Then how do you explain the suicidal and/or neglectful?

But the problem is, again, I don't conform to the naturalistic fallacy. I don't think evolutionary advantage equates good. Avery does, so I argue that, if it is the case that evolutionary advantageousness can be equated to good, it follows that rape is also good. 

-->@Shila

There's breeding.

And then there's sticking ones todger up some persons rectum.

Or any other recreational sex modus.

Roe v Wade is just a soundbite.

--> @Amoranemix

I feel like You have been working on this response  post for close to four month now..  

But you got it out. 

Nice post man. 

> @Ramshutu

The best way to think about objective vs subjective - is the difference between how bright the sun is, vs whether the sun is very bright.

The first you only have to agree on a standard of measurement so that you’re both talking about the same things: visible light per square cm or meter - the quantity measured can’t be disputed.

The latter relies on an arbitrary standard that can’t be agreed without taking someone word for it.

A blind person can agree on how bright the sun is - but not whether the sun is “very bright” unless they simply agree with out basis someone else’s opinion on what constitutes very bright.

Good analogy.

--> @zedvictor4

I think God created Eve  first and then Adam second.

Blacks are more violent.

--> @Shila

Women want the right to decide over their own bodies and ovaries. That is why their movement is called Pro Choice.

men want the right to decide who they work for, you know, with their bodies

--> @Shila

The site was once owned by a company named Juggle. Later, Juggle just didn't bother with that DDO was theirs and did not update the site in accordance with time so the site became buggy and the moderators also lost interest with the site. later, a user now known as USburning contacted Juggle, which has filed bankrupcy and is now a babysitting app company or something like that, and they later shut the site down. USburning has archived the entirety of the site and compressed it. The actual material is not within my hands, but you can contact him if you want any memories.

I'm so Fuckin APEX .

--> @Shila

Well, the population as a whole is growing in numbers.

And if Non-Christian societies are breeding faster than Christian societies, then so it will be

--> @Shila

To be honest.

Poly is an essential part of  the eclectic mix of Debateart participants.

Her individuality would be sadly missed if she ever decide to quit.

If everyone was the same, that would be so boring

A blind person can agree on how bright the sun is - but not whether the sun is “very bright” unless they simply agree with out basis someone else’s opinion on what constitutes very bright.

--> @Tarik

Not the argument I was alluding to which was

Then that would make praying to ask for God’s help pretty pointless.

Let’s put this in context. 

You stated that God doesn’t interfere and my reply was, “Then that would make praying to ask for God’s help pretty pointless.” This is valid because if God doesn’t interfere then requesting his help through prayer would be would asking him to interfere and therefore would be pointless.

The say the argument is pointless is simply dismissive and doesn’t refute it. If you disagree with it then please provide a valid argument as to why it is wrong.

--> @Shila

Sure.

But do you enjoy doing so.

If not,

Why bother.

--> @Shila

Do you feel insulted.

I do not feel insulted.

Poly seems to think that we are insulting.

I think Poly is funny.

When I look up "evolutionary advantage" for a definition, this is what I found:

"Any phenotypic trait that increases the fitness of one species over another. This could be anything that allows the species to better compete with another species occupying the same niche, obtain food/resources more efficiently, or stave off predators." - SOURCE

Based on that definition, I fail to see how the manmade concept of "religion" (or "religions") have anything to do with phenotype let alone the evolution of homo sapiens. 

In fact, historically, religion has been a rather huge disadvantage, disappointment, detriment, and any other "D" word (that corresponds with violence) one can come up with whereas the true evolution of humanity is concerned. 

-> @SkepticalOne

Incoherent =/= clarity.

Are you going to explain yourself or not? Because you can’t expect me to agree with you by simply just calling my argument incoherent, so what are you trying to accomplish here?

--> @Shila

Remember that a very smart Jew once said, the Bible is a collection of honourable, but still primitive, legends which are nevertheless pretty childish.”

--> @Shila

As humans evolve their views in religion grow more sophisticated.

Have they though? People replaced the priest with Dr. Fauci and the religious book with the government mandates.

They have not changed remotely in the 6,000 years of human "evolution." If anything genetic research indicates that the average human from 6,000 years ago would have an equivalent IQ of 145 today. [1]

Of course, this is assuming genetics drives intelligence. Which is a whole debate in and of itself.

But the point is we are not more intelligent bow nor have we even really evolved at all in thousands of years, since the earliest records of humans (which happen to coincide with the tools that these archaeologists keep finding) we keep seeing the same levels of intelligence.

But anyways. Religious views have largely remained the same. People worshipped government in Ancient Egypt, and they worship it today. They worshipped polytheism back then, and they worship that today. Black and white magic was commonly practiced in ancient Rome, and it is commonly practiced today.

For example Jesus was a liar and lunatic to the Jews of his generation. They demanded Jesus be crucified. The Romans crucified Jesus.

But several centuries later Jesus from a dead crucified liar and lunatic evolved to be the God of the Roman Catholic Church and all of Christianity.

He still is considered a liar and a lunatic to the Jews of this generation. The Christians never considered him dead because 500 people saw him ascend into heaven after talking with them. 

There is also the whole empty tomb thing. We haven't found His body. They never found it. And they never will find it. Because He rose from the dead.

Thumbs are an evolutionary advantage. 

You can read that and move straight on hey? 

But 

Religion being a evo advant needs ALOT of ummm measuring one feels. 

I did get sidetracked for a good few hours thinking about how great RAPE IS ,  As To an evolutionary advantage. 

Hang on . 

Rape is a evolutionary advent. 

We worked that out before. 

Sooooooo Instead of saying . 

 ( Religion is an evolutionary advantage ) and having a statement like this mess with ones head 

 

Say it like this. 

( Rape is an evolutionary advantage )

then pauseeeeeeeeeeee for full effect 

' Then quickly  deliver '     ( religion is an evolutionary advantage )   bammmmmmmmmmmmmmm. 

Oh, I wasn’t necessarily putting a stamp of approval on all those pursuits/ideologies. The mention of North Korea and Soviet Union assures you of that, I hope. What I was implying is that in absence of religion, it is by necessity replaced with something, and an individual or society should be very cognizant of what that something is and its ramifications. I’m not saying this so much to you as I am to those who see religion unquestionably as a negative. There are many such people as this very thread shows…

--> @Shila

Facts and evidence are verifiable independently

but not independently of a mind

and also not without bias

--> @Shila

I am here to verify if  Atheists are hypocrites.

I would suggest that the above statement doesn't really make sense.

Nonetheless, do you derive satisfaction from verifying if?

--> @Shila

Certainly within a discussion forum.

The reason I'm here is because this  is a mentally stimulating and enjoyable exercise.

Why are you here?

Where did they get the needle and thread from?

Why would  GOD have provided sewing kit?

Not really.

Notwithstanding that the whole tree of knowledge thing is all about the human fascination with sexuality.

If GODDO really didn't want A and E to know, then why make a tree of knowledge available.

But you know the Bible is baloney don't you?

Perhaps you stated the above because it is actually you who hates atheists.

I personally love theists, because they have some fun ideas to discuss.

-> @Shila

Well, there is theistic data and we can all share it and conclude variously.

And some conclusions are labelled as atheist.

Which leads to contention. 

And one would hope that contention in a discussion forum would also lead to two way fun.

--> @Shila

Women not only get pregnant but have to carry the baby, feed and nurture it for a while.

Whereas the man need only ejaculate into a women and most do prematurely. But the burden of parenting is disproportionate. Hence the double standards.

the asymmetry comes from the ability to "opt out"

if the mother chooses to "opt out" this results in the death of the fetus

if the father chooses to "opt out" the consequences are much less dire

since the stakes are much lower for the father and much higher for the mother

why would the mother be given a chance to "opt out" while the father is given no such option ?

--> @Shila

Objectivity is not independent of mind. It is independent of personal feelings or beliefs and based only on facts and evidence.

Yes, and personal feelings or beliefs come from... Minds.

The assessment of what is objective necessarily requires a mind, that is something different.

--> @Shila

Where did they get the needle and thread from?

Why would  GOD have provided sewing kit?