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@Tarik
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By offering so many options we have a diversity of conflicting beliefs.
Not on this end you do.
Which end are you speaking from?
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@Lemming
--> @Shila"harp on: to talk about (a subject) constantly or repeatedly in an annoying way"Might be you found my post harping,Myself I'd find continuous focus and repetition on the use and definition of the word atheism, harping.As I think the Topic originator was looking for something else in conversation, when he made his post.
Instead of showing or confirming contradictions between Atheism and Humanism you resorted to harping.
The OP asks: Atheism and humanism are completely contradictory.
All that is needed is a clear definition of each.
Humanism is an approach to life based on reason and our common humanity, recognising that moral values are properly founded on human nature and experience alone. While atheism is merely the absence of belief, humanism is a positive attitude to the world, centred on human experience, thought, and hopes
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Then he doesn’t want everyone to believe in him.
Or He does conditionally.
By offering so many options we have a diversity of conflicting beliefs.
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@rosends
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your cut and paste material is wrong
the statement "I AM WHO I AM" (spelled he, yod, he in Hebrew)
that spelling means "I was"there is no present tense "I am" in Hebrew as a stand alone form of the to-be verb.
Here is proof even between Jews interpreting their scriptures there is disagreement.
I have seen the phrase used to point to God. I can't find a source/explanation for the phrase other than the KJV, but the KJV seems inconsistent in how it translates the corresponding Hebrew word (in Judges 6:16, as one example, it translates the same word "will be"). So what is the source for the decision to use "I am" in Ex 3:14? Is it in order to connect to the John 8:58 use of the word "eimi" in the Greek?
The Hebrew words in Exodus 3:14 for “I AM THAT I AM” are ehyeh asher ehyeh which should more accurately be translated “I will be what I will be” or as Rotherham translates it, “I will become whatsoever I may become.” This expression in Exodus 3:14 is an idiom, an expression that has a meaning that cannot be understood by the individual words. So, what does “I AM THAT I AM” mean?
“I AM THAT I AM”
The statement "I AM" comes from the Hebrew verb "to be or to exist." With this statement, God declared that He is self-existent, eternal, self-sufficient, self-directed, and unchanging. But this statement also declared that He is present.
From the statement "I AM WHO I AM" (spelled he, yod, he in Hebrew) in verse 14, God formed a holy proper name, Yahweh (spelled yod, he, vav, he in Hebrew), in verse 15.
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I 'already stated my opinion that that he was using the word atheism a bit broadly.But still, ideas, people who claim identities,Can be roughly categorized at times,Depending on when and where.Take the identity of Americans for example,They can 'roughly be identified by different values, depending on timeframe.Take Communists,They can 'roughly be identified by different values, depending on timeframe.Though for the Communists as time passes, it becomes required to use where,As the belief spreads over such distances and numbers, that vast variation occurs.Anyway,I like talking with people at times,And wanted to address his topic for what I thought he 'meant,Rather than harping on what he 'said.
All we read were your harping opinions.
Personally my opinion aligns in a similar manner as,zedvictor4 #33RU7AL #21SkepticalOne #23Though arguably atheists could be grouped into various groups based on beliefs, the variety, number of beliefs, and lack of formal organization makes that difficult I think.. . .But for conversation,Let's say you were talking about a specific atheist/sWho did not believe in God, an Afterlife, or Objective Morality.And wanted to follow Humanism.My view of such, is the divorce between the intellect and the heart, as well as conditioning.. . .Also the having of other values.
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@Lemming
-->@ConservallectualPersonally my opinion aligns in a similar manner as,zedvictor4 #33RU7AL #21SkepticalOne #23Though arguably atheists could be grouped into various groups based on beliefs, the variety, number of beliefs, and lack of formal organization makes that difficult.. . .But for conversation,Let's say you were talking about a specific atheist/sWho did not believe in God, an Afterlife, or Objective Morality.And wanted to follow Humanism.My view of such, is the divorce between the intellect and the heart, as well as conditioning.
The OP asks: Atheism and humanism are completely contradictory.
All that is needed is a clear definition of each.
Humanism is an approach to life based on reason and our common humanity, recognising that moral values are properly founded on human nature and experience alone. While atheism is merely the absence of belief, humanism is a positive attitude to the world, centred on human experience, thought, and hopes
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I have seen the phrase used to point to God. I can't find a source/explanation for the phrase other than the KJV, but the KJV seems inconsistent in how it translates the corresponding Hebrew word (in Judges 6:16, as one example, it translates the same word "will be"). So what is the source for the decision to use "I am" in Ex 3:14? Is it in order to connect to the John 8:58 use of the word "eimi" in the Greek?
The Hebrew words in Exodus 3:14 for “I AM THAT I AM” are ehyeh asher ehyeh which should more accurately be translated “I will be what I will be” or as Rotherham translates it, “I will become whatsoever I may become.” This expression in Exodus 3:14 is an idiom, an expression that has a meaning that cannot be understood by the individual words. So, what does “I AM THAT I AM” mean?
“I AM THAT I AM”
The statement "I AM" comes from the Hebrew verb "to be or to exist." With this statement, God declared that He is self-existent, eternal, self-sufficient, self-directed, and unchanging. But this statement also declared that He is present.
From the statement "I AM WHO I AM" (spelled he, yod, he in Hebrew) in verse 14, God formed a holy proper name, Yahweh (spelled yod, he, vav, he in Hebrew), in verse 15.
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That's because atheists are just monotheist with angst.
I’m not against monotheism only when it tries to impose its beliefs on others.
Atheist definition: a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.
Monotheism definition: monotheism, belief in the existence of one god, or in the oneness of God. As such, it is distinguished from polytheism, the belief in the existence of many ...
Angst definition: a feeling of deep anxiety or dread, typically an unfocused one about the human condition or the state of the world in general.
Polytheist-Witch needs help with the proper definition of words so she can make sensible posts.
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@SkepticalOne
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About atheist? Absolutely nothing will. You guys are who you are your posts aren't going to change, no one's going to change my mind about what you people think.
Thanks for clarifying your position and revealing your own blatant hypocrisy and bigotry.
If witch burning didn’t change her mind, nothing will.
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@SkepticalOne
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In an atheist worldview,
No such thing. Atheism isn't an epistemology, a moral framework, an ontology, a methodology, etc. Atheists' outlook on life can be shaped by any number of things, but it ain't their answer to 'Do you believe in gods'.That's where the OP goes wrong.
The OP asks: Atheism and humanism are completely contradictory.
All that is needed is a clear definition of each.
Humanism is an approach to life based on reason and our common humanity, recognising that moral values are properly founded on human nature and experience alone. While atheism is merely the absence of belief, humanism is a positive attitude to the world, centred on human experience, thought, and hopes
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@SkepticalOne
What I mean to say is the Bible is foundational to Christianity. No one alive today could have been eye-witness to the life/death of Jesus or the destruction of the temple. No one alive during the life of Jesus could have been witness to the Exodus, the battle of Jericho, or the seige of Jerusalem.
That is why the Bible is important. It is a record of what other eyewitnesses saw and heard during their generation. The Bible serves as a book on the history of the Jewish people.
The point being, ignorance of your holy book isn't a defense to legitimate criticism of your religious position.
The Bible was not written so future generation could criticize the Jews. It was written to preserve the Jewish struggles with their God.
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@Stephen
Appealing to numbers counts for exactly zero. Billions of Muslims see Jesus only as a prophet . And we know that "the greatest prophet that ever lived" appears to have gotten it all wrong.800 million Muslims are illiterate. The prophet Mohammad was illiterate.800 million Muslims out of 1.4 billion are illiterate: Dr Farrukh Saleem
Stephen: Christians were and many still are illiterate. They only went and go by what the pastor or the priest spouted to them. Like I have said, your appealing to numbers counts for exactly zero, which was my point.
but Christians don’t see Jesus as just another prophet. They see Jesus as God.
It shouldn’t surprise anyone if Muslims confuse Jesus with their own prophet.
It wouldn't surprise me but I am sure they understand the differences between a man that preaches "turn the other cheek" and one that preaches " do not take Christians and Jews as your friends".
Muslims see both Jesus and Mohammad as prophets.
She deliver on that promise. Jesus is seen as saviour , lord and King to billions of Christians.
So you keep saying, but what is your evidence of this dying and rising god-man ( of which there have been many) saving anyone? And you are still hopelessly appealing to numbers.
Not to mention the other failed prophecies promised to his mother.
The evidence for fulfillment is the billions that worship Jesus and call him Lord, King and God.
That is bigger than any kingdom the Jews could have imagined.
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@Tradesecret
Actually, in the Bible the sabbath is just another term for holiday. It is a holy day. And was more than just the 7th day of the week.In the week of Jesus death for instance - there was the passover. It was a holiday - a high sabbath. And it was not on the 7th day of the week - but dependent upon the moon.
Try to get the Jewish holidays right. There is a difference between Passover, sabbath and high sabbath.
WHAT DOES PASSOVER MEAN?
The Jewish holiday of Passover (in Hebrew, Pesach) commemorates the exodus of the Jews from slavery in Egypt. The holiday originated in the Torah, where the word pesach refers to the ancient Passover sacrifice (known as the Paschal Lamb); it is also said to refer to the idea that God “passed over” (pasach) the houses of the Jews during the 10th plague on the Egyptians, the slaying of the first born. The holiday is ultimately a celebration of freedom, and the story of the exodus from Egypt is a powerful metaphor that is appreciated not only by Jews, but by people of other faiths as well.
What does Sabbath mean?
Sabbath definition: the seventh day of the week observed from Friday evening to Saturday evening as a day of rest and worship by Jews and some Christians. b : Sunday observed among Christians as a day of rest and worship.
What does high sabbath mean?
In addition to the ordinary or "normal" weekly Sabbaths, God also determined 7 more "special" days of rest in the year, which He also called "days of rest", i.e. "Sabbaths". Since these seven annual Sabbaths are special holidays, they are also called "High Sabbaths," "Feast Sabbaths," "Holiest Sabbaths," "Great Sabbaths," or "Most Holy Sabbaths" (literally: σαββατα σαββατων = Sabbaths of the Sabbaths; Lev 16:31; 23:32). The rules of not working were kept especially strict on these days. If the weekly Sabbaths were to be observed, how much more so were the annual Sabbaths, which are also "days of God" (Lev 26:2; Isa 56:4; Jer 20:12-24; 22:8,26; 23:38; 44:24).
The seven biblical High Sabbaths (feast days) are exactly enumerated in Lev 16; Lev 23 and Num 28-29. As the weekly Sabbaths begin and end, so do annual Sabbaths: "beginning at evening, from evening to evening shall you keep your Sabbath" (Lev 23:32), that means after sunset. The first two High Sabbaths take place in the very first month of the year, which is called "Abib" (month of ears of grain) or "Nisan".
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There are many arguments against God, the problem of evil, the a metaphysical issue of a disembodied will seeming to make no sense, to the logical contradictions of various religions, when religions or the religious create specific assign specific properties of “God”, that god typically ends up being logically incoherent. Generally speaking, atheism has a good handle on logically refuting all specific Gods, and has a pretty decent explanation of why gods were invented in the first place, and why were even having this conversation. Realizing that the jig is up, theists typically respond by watering down their claims about what God is to the point where it can’t rationally be defined as God; but then use that generic definition to magic their God into existence - see Kalam
Polytheist-Witch: Another reason there's no point to discussing religion with atheist and another reason to despise them. There's no point in you being here you should really piss off.
Theists believe in Witches and burn them. Atheists don’t believe burning them will help religion. You appear upset with both groups.
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more copy and paste
Why the objection over scholarly research?
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@Tarik
Jews like Rabbi Rosends.
Who?
Rabbi Rosends is a member on Debateart. He also happens to be a Jewish Rabbi. I am sure he is circumcised.
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@Tradesecret
Sabbath definition: a day of religious observance and abstinence from work, kept by Jewish people from Friday evening to Saturday evening, and by most Christians on Sunday.
You reduced Christ to a Sunday. When Christians are expected to believe Jesus is God.
You must belong to one of those cult denominations.
Interestingly, it is the cults which consider the Sabbath still Saturday. Let me make an exception for the Jewish religion. Yet, it is not Christian in any event. the church has celebrated Sunday as its day of worship since the beginning of the church.Christians don't actually celebrate the Sabbath. Yes, many Christians at times equate the Sabbath with the day of rest - and since Sunday is the day we now worship and a day of traditional rest - there has been a crossover in people's minds. Yet, Christians get their definitions of the Sabbath and of the Lord's Day from the Scriptures, not from the dictionary like those who don't understand the religion.I never reduced Christ to a Sunday. What a nonsense.
The New Testament is in agreement as to which day is the seventh day of the week. One of the most straight-forward references is found in Luke 23:53-56 & Luke 24:1, and describes Joseph of Arimathaea taking the body of Jesus down off the cross. “Then he took it [the body of Jesus] down, wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a tomb that was hewn out of the rock, where no one had ever lain before. That day was the Preparation, and the Sabbath drew near. And the women who had come with Him from Galilee followed after, and they observed the tomb and how His body was laid. Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment. Now on the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they, and certain other women with them, came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared.”
This Bible passage shows the chronology of the week including how the Sabbath day and the first day of the week relate to each other. According to Luke 23:54, Jesus died on the preparation day which we now call Good Friday. The next day, Sabbath, the women rested according to the commandment. Finally, after the Sabbath, on the first day of the week, Jesus was resurrected.
Therefore, according to the Bible, the Sabbath day can be pinpointed as the day before the first day of the week. Today, we call this day Saturday or the seventh day of the week. In addition, ask any Christian which day comes between Good Friday and Resurrection Sunday—their answer, Saturday.
The Christians got so many things wrong that another Abrahamic offshoot Islam is poised to surpass Christianity within the decade.
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The Bible can be interpreted in many different ways, nonetheless there are some people that would classify themself as religious but don’t believe in the God depicted in The Bible.
No interpretation is required to see fair and equal are not justified by the basis of your beliefs. I can submit the verses if you dispute this.You'll need to provide a different basis for your beliefs or concede no justification can be provided from the Bible.
Justification by faith is provided in the Bible.
Romans 5:1 Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
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@Wylted
--> @ShilaWouldn't be the first time I beat off a Catholic.
Oldschoolpancakedummy Has yet to earn your wrath. Let us see if he deserves it.
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@PREZ-HILTON
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We all want to know. You might have to beat it out of him. Hope his faith is fully baked.
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@Tarik
while Christianity draws on both Old and New Testaments
So what do you call the people that don’t?
Jews like Rabbi Rosends.
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@rosends
Jews love to interpret everything so that it suits their interests.
you have pretty explicitly and repeatedly crossed any line drawn dividing respectful discourse and (in)formal debate into fallacies and disrespectful language. You have proven a lack of knowledge of Judaism, history, geography, logic and theology. Among others. Your trolling is really poor and your insincerity is apparent. If one were to summarize your anti-Semitic position using the phrase that I quoted, I think that that would apt. Fortunately, with schools opening up, you will be kept busy with Earth Science homework and pre-Algebra tests. Good luck with that.
Most people would be surprised to read the many interpretations of the Holocaust held by Jews who claim there was a lack of knowledge of Judaism, history, geography, logic, poetry, prophecy, Jewish covenant and theology in the extermination of Jews by Europeans.
The many Jewish interpretations of the Holocaust.
Perennial suffering has as much right to expression as the tortured have to scream . . . hence it may have been wrong to say that no poem could be written after Auschwitz."
--Theodore Adorno
Jewish responses to the Shaoh, to the Holocaust, have been understandably multi-faceted:
1. "God is dead." If there were a God, he would surely have prevented the Holocaust. Since God did not prevent it, then God as traditionally understood either does not exist or has changed in some way. For some this means that God has abandoned them, while for others it means God never did exist. Jews must be in the world for themselves. This may mean a turn to atheism or perhaps a turn to some more like pantheism. Sherman Wine holds that no God can possibly exist, while Richard Rubenstein has come to suggest a kind of neo-paganism as the best alternative.
2. "The Eclipse of God." There are times when God is inexplicably absent from history. Martin Buber made this phrase famous, suggesting that the 20th century was passing through a period where God, for reasons unknowable to us, refused to reveal himself.
3. A Distant God. The experience of the Holocaust calls for Jews to reinterpret their belief in God. God is obviously not a being who actually interferes with human existence in any tangible, measurable way. Arthur A. Cohen holds that God is so transcendent that he cannot be held responsible for the Holocaust.
4. A Limited God. God is not omnipotent. He does not have the power to bring to a halt such things as the Holocaust. Harold Kushner made this view popular in his book, When Bad Things Happen to Good People.
5. Free Will & God. Terrible events such as the Holocaust are the price we have to pay for having free will. God will not and cannot interfere with history, otherwise our free will would effectively cease to exist. Eliezer Berkovits, for example, stresses that God is all-powerful but that he curtails his own freedom to respect human freedom, even with such horrific consequences.
6. A Suffering God. Borrowing from Christian reflection on Christ and the passibility of God, Hans Jonas has suggested that God is limited in power but able to suffer with the pain of the Jewish people. Others stress the compassion and love of God, even if not understood in the Holocaust.
7. Jewish Survival. The event issues a call for Jewish affirmation for survival. The rise of the nation of Israel is one way of reading this revelation. Emil Fackenheim speaks of the 614th commandment-- ""Jews are forbidden to give Hitler posthumous victories." He further states this as Jews are "commanded to survive as Jews, lest the Jewish people perish;" "to remember the victims of Auschwitz, lest their memory perish;" and they are "forbidden to despair of Man, lest they co-operate in delivering the world to the forces of Auschwitz;" nor "to despair of the God of Israel, lest Judaism perish."
8. Incomprehensible Silence. The Shoah exceeds human comprehension. It is a so horrific as to strip away any attempts at explanation. André Neher believes that there can only be silence after the Holocaust--God's silence and our own.
9. A Theodicy of Protest. If the Holocaust is a mystery, it is nonetheless on the surface a clearly unjust and wicked horror that God should have prevented. What does this then reveal about the character of God? Perhaps God is capable of evil. David Blumenthal has argued that an analogy can be drawn between child abuse and the Holocaust. Children of abusing parents can learn to eventually make their peace with such a parent but should never be required to abstain from challenging the parent's misuse of authority.
10. A Broken Covenant. The Holocaust is proof that God has broken his covenant with the Jewish people. One need not conclude, Irving Greenberg holds, that Jews can still not choose to hold to Jewish law, but it is now only on a voluntary basis.
11. Providential History. Some have suggested the Shoah had the providential outcome of overturning old medieval Jewish structures and replacing them with modern Jewish life, and that this is what needed to happen.
12. Vicarious Suffering. In the Holocaust, the Jewish people become the "suffering servant" of Isaiah, collectively suffering for the sins of the world. Ignaz Maybaum explored this shocking claim, holding that perhaps in the Holocaust Jews even atoned for humanity's wickedness.
13. Coming Messiah. Sha’ar Yashuv Cohen has argued that the Shoah represents the birth pangs of the Messiah, that the Jewish people are in the final days before the Jewish savior finally comes.
14. "Because of our sins we were punished." (mi-penei hataeinu) Some in the Orthodox community have taught that European Jews were punished for their sins, either for the heresy of liberal Judaism or for an unfaithful rejection of the Holy Land. In these views, the Shoah is God's just retribution.
15. One More Tragedy. Some would suggest that the Holocaust is not a singular event, but only represents one more horror in human history. From this viewpoint, Jews make too much of the Holocaust as a crisis event that changes everything. David Weiss has taken something like this position.
16. Jewish Reconstruction. The Holocaust is better understood as a historical tragedy, singular or otherwise, that must now be answered with Jewish commitment to the restoration of cultural and ethnic life. Those who survive must rebuild what has been violated and lost.
17. Christian Responsibility. Christians need to face up to the their history of anti-Semitism and the role it played in the Holocaust. Ben Zion Bokser has suggested that Christianity's exclusive view of itself rendered the German people numb to the moral repugnance of Nazi racial theories. Others argue that this culpability should put an end to any exclusive claims on Christianity's part or to any assigning of "second-class" status to Jewish faith. Supersessionism is no longer a credible theology.
18.Jewish Responsibility. Marc Ellis argues that national Israel now uses the rhetoric of the Holocaust to justify the oppression of the Palestinian people. The Holocaust should become a reminder to care for the disadvantaged state of all colonized groups. In a broader way, the Shoah is a reminder that to be a Jew is to be a chosen people, one that must carry out the covenant and bring salvation to others in daily life.
19. Jewish Witness. Jews must not allow despair to shut their testimonies forever. Memory and writing is at the heart of what it means to be Jewish, and the Holocaust is a temptation to hopelessness and to the secular Enlightenment, a project wholly discredited by the Shoah. It is better to keep one's Jewish identity and belief in the face of this. Even God cannot rob Jews of this loyalty.
20. God's Female Face. God was not absent in the Holocaust, rather present in the face of female Jewish sufferers, who by covering themselves and holding to their dignity were bringing the Jewish God into Auschwitz. Melissa Raphael has made this position part of the current Jewish discussion.
21. No Theology nach Auschwitz. Any attempt at theology totalizes the ultimate horror, and by doing so, it lessens the suffering of what happened, as well as opening up humanity to ultimately excusing it and letting it happen again. For some this is a radical negation of any attempt to explain, while for others it is a simple dismissal of religious attempts at an answer. Any talk of God's justice or love makes a mockery of what happened in the Shoah.
The holocaust is where Jewish Theology ends and reality begins for the Jews.
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@Tarik
The Old Testament is the foundation on which the New Testament gets its credibility.
How so when the two are completely different?
Together the Old Testament and the New Testament make up the Holy Bible. The Old Testament contains the sacred scriptures of the Jewish faith, while Christianity draws on both Old and New Testaments, interpreting the New Testament as the fulfilment of the prophecies of the Old.
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How many times do you plan to move the goalposts?
I’m not, your just begging the question.
God doesn't provide a justification for survival anyway.
There are some that believe suicide is a sin.
The Bible can be interpreted in many different ways, nonetheless there are some people that would classify themself as religious but don’t believe in the God depicted in The Bible.
According to your holy book, your god condoned slavery and has/had a chosen people. You have a twisted notion of fair and equal. Again, your particular deity does not justify fair and equal.
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What is considered a strength is a matter of perception and opinion, it is subjective.
And so is yours when you say
so there would be little point in it.
Not all believers always have faith, some converted.
So why are they still arguing about God?
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@Sidewalker
no "faith" is required to "lack belief" in bigfootwhich bigfoot are you even talking about ?the one you"lack belief" inWho said I don't believe in bigfoot, fact is, I'm pretty sure my neighbor three doors down is bigfoot.
what about the one roaming the woodlands in the Blue Mountains, Okanogan County ?Probably a cousin or something.
How does that make them Atheists or Hypocrites?
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@Conservallectual
No, evolution is change after many generations caused by a collection of beneficial mutations adding up.
Makes you wonder if God should have waited and not rushed to judgement.
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@Conservallectual
No, Original sin is the nature of man, that's why there so much evil in the world. It is not punishment, nor is it a manipulation tactic, it is just a fact.
So how do you entertain friends and family known it they are nothing but a bunch of sinners beyond divine help?
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@Conservallectual
Secular humanism is a contradiction. Here's why(note: I am neither an atheist or a humanist) :Humanism: puts humans at a prime moral/social/philosophical importance.Atheism: there is no god, therefore there is no afterlife, therefore nothing you do or think matters at all. There is no moral standpoint, only what you like matters.Here's the problem: In an atheist worldview, why do humans have to be more important than animals? Why aren't monkeys or rats of prime moral importance? Why of all the animals supposedly generated by blind natural processes do humans have to be of any major moral importance? After all, in atheistic worldview, a very good person who does good things like donating to charities, saving people, being kind to others, has the same fate as an evil man who kills everyone he doesn't like, steals whatever he wants, and has lots of hatred - when they both die, they completely disappear. This is the problem with every atheistic world view that claims to have a strong moral code - like communism.
You have a pretty long list of for and against positions in your bio. Strange to see you still ask questions on what you have already decided you are against.
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@FLRW
Madame Curie, one of the greatest scientists of all time, was born Maria Sklodowska on November 7, 1867, in Warsaw, Poland—then occupied Russia. She was the daughter of two teachers: her freethinking father, a nationalist who taught physics and mathematics, and her Catholic mother, who ran a prestigious boarding school and died of tuberculosis when Maria was just ten years old.Curie is said to have become an agnostic as a teenager and was described variously throughout her life as a rationalist, an atheist, and a freethinker. “Nothing in life is to be feared,” she said. “It is only to be understood.”
We studied about her is school. Brings back memories
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Polytheist-Witch: Do something with your death threats or f*** off.
Why do you keep asking for help to continue with the Catholic ritual of burning witches. Are you in pain? Then go to a smaller size.
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@rosends
But Jews sacrificing Palestinians by killing them and stealing their land is an act of murder and blasphemy. Dead Palestinians cannot forgive sins only Jews can.
so many errors in one statement. Well done. Is there any field in which you actually know anything?
Jews love to interpret everything so that it suits their interests.
Eg. Israel has declared at least 26 percent of the West Bank as “state land”.
Using a different interpretation of Ottoman, British and Jordanian laws, Israel stole public and private Palestinian land for settlements under the pretext of “state land”.
Though many Palestinians had paid taxes and cultivated their land for decades, most land wasn't registered during the Ottoman and British occupations; in 1968, Israel stopped the process of land registration and declared any unregistered land as belonging to the Israeli government.
Settlements on “state land” often expand into surrounding, privately owned, Palestinian land.
As an occupying power, Israel does not own the West Bank and is not permitted under international law to seize land in this manner.
The many Jewish interpretations of the Holocaust.
Perennial suffering has as much right to expression as the tortured have to scream . . . hence it may have been wrong to say that no poem could be written after Auschwitz."
--Theodore Adorno
Jewish responses to the Shaoh, to the Holocaust, have been understandably multi-faceted:
1. "God is dead." If there were a God, he would surely have prevented the Holocaust. Since God did not prevent it, then God as traditionally understood either does not exist or has changed in some way. For some this means that God has abandoned them, while for others it means God never did exist. Jews must be in the world for themselves. This may mean a turn to atheism or perhaps a turn to some more like pantheism. Sherman Wine holds that no God can possibly exist, while Richard Rubenstein has come to suggest a kind of neo-paganism as the best alternative.
2. "The Eclipse of God." There are times when God is inexplicably absent from history. Martin Buber made this phrase famous, suggesting that the 20th century was passing through a period where God, for reasons unknowable to us, refused to reveal himself.
3. A Distant God. The experience of the Holocaust calls for Jews to reinterpret their belief in God. God is obviously not a being who actually interferes with human existence in any tangible, measurable way. Arthur A. Cohen holds that God is so transcendent that he cannot be held responsible for the Holocaust.
4. A Limited God. God is not omnipotent. He does not have the power to bring to a halt such things as the Holocaust. Harold Kushner made this view popular in his book, When Bad Things Happen to Good People.
5. Free Will & God. Terrible events such as the Holocaust are the price we have to pay for having free will. God will not and cannot interfere with history, otherwise our free will would effectively cease to exist. Eliezer Berkovits, for example, stresses that God is all-powerful but that he curtails his own freedom to respect human freedom, even with such horrific consequences.
6. A Suffering God. Borrowing from Christian reflection on Christ and the passibility of God, Hans Jonas has suggested that God is limited in power but able to suffer with the pain of the Jewish people. Others stress the compassion and love of God, even if not understood in the Holocaust.
7. Jewish Survival. The event issues a call for Jewish affirmation for survival. The rise of the nation of Israel is one way of reading this revelation. Emil Fackenheim speaks of the 614th commandment-- ""Jews are forbidden to give Hitler posthumous victories." He further states this as Jews are "commanded to survive as Jews, lest the Jewish people perish;" "to remember the victims of Auschwitz, lest their memory perish;" and they are "forbidden to despair of Man, lest they co-operate in delivering the world to the forces of Auschwitz;" nor "to despair of the God of Israel, lest Judaism perish."
8. Incomprehensible Silence. The Shoah exceeds human comprehension. It is a so horrific as to strip away any attempts at explanation. André Neher believes that there can only be silence after the Holocaust--God's silence and our own.
9. A Theodicy of Protest. If the Holocaust is a mystery, it is nonetheless on the surface a clearly unjust and wicked horror that God should have prevented. What does this then reveal about the character of God? Perhaps God is capable of evil. David Blumenthal has argued that an analogy can be drawn between child abuse and the Holocaust. Children of abusing parents can learn to eventually make their peace with such a parent but should never be required to abstain from challenging the parent's misuse of authority.
10. A Broken Covenant. The Holocaust is proof that God has broken his covenant with the Jewish people. One need not conclude, Irving Greenberg holds, that Jews can still not choose to hold to Jewish law, but it is now only on a voluntary basis.
11. Providential History. Some have suggested the Shoah had the providential outcome of overturning old medieval Jewish structures and replacing them with modern Jewish life, and that this is what needed to happen.
12. Vicarious Suffering. In the Holocaust, the Jewish people become the "suffering servant" of Isaiah, collectively suffering for the sins of the world. Ignaz Maybaum explored this shocking claim, holding that perhaps in the Holocaust Jews even atoned for humanity's wickedness.
13. Coming Messiah. Sha’ar Yashuv Cohen has argued that the Shoah represents the birth pangs of the Messiah, that the Jewish people are in the final days before the Jewish savior finally comes.
14. "Because of our sins we were punished." (mi-penei hataeinu) Some in the Orthodox community have taught that European Jews were punished for their sins, either for the heresy of liberal Judaism or for an unfaithful rejection of the Holy Land. In these views, the Shoah is God's just retribution.
15. One More Tragedy. Some would suggest that the Holocaust is not a singular event, but only represents one more horror in human history. From this viewpoint, Jews make too much of the Holocaust as a crisis event that changes everything. David Weiss has taken something like this position.
16. Jewish Reconstruction. The Holocaust is better understood as a historical tragedy, singular or otherwise, that must now be answered with Jewish commitment to the restoration of cultural and ethnic life. Those who survive must rebuild what has been violated and lost.
17. Christian Responsibility. Christians need to face up to the their history of anti-Semitism and the role it played in the Holocaust. Ben Zion Bokser has suggested that Christianity's exclusive view of itself rendered the German people numb to the moral repugnance of Nazi racial theories. Others argue that this culpability should put an end to any exclusive claims on Christianity's part or to any assigning of "second-class" status to Jewish faith. Supersessionism is no longer a credible theology.
18.Jewish Responsibility. Marc Ellis argues that national Israel now uses the rhetoric of the Holocaust to justify the oppression of the Palestinian people. The Holocaust should become a reminder to care for the disadvantaged state of all colonized groups. In a broader way, the Shoah is a reminder that to be a Jew is to be a chosen people, one that must carry out the covenant and bring salvation to others in daily life.
19. Jewish Witness. Jews must not allow despair to shut their testimonies forever. Memory and writing is at the heart of what it means to be Jewish, and the Holocaust is a temptation to hopelessness and to the secular Enlightenment, a project wholly discredited by the Shoah. It is better to keep one's Jewish identity and belief in the face of this. Even God cannot rob Jews of this loyalty.
20. God's Female Face. God was not absent in the Holocaust, rather present in the face of female Jewish sufferers, who by covering themselves and holding to their dignity were bringing the Jewish God into Auschwitz. Melissa Raphael has made this position part of the current Jewish discussion.
21. No Theology nach Auschwitz. Any attempt at theology totalizes the ultimate horror, and by doing so, it lessens the suffering of what happened, as well as opening up humanity to ultimately excusing it and letting it happen again. For some this is a radical negation of any attempt to explain, while for others it is a simple dismissal of religious attempts at an answer. Any talk of God's justice or love makes a mockery of what happened in the Shoah.
The holocaust is where Jewish Theology ends and reality begins for the Jews.
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@Lemming
Sure if we state our beliefs conclusion as we believe just because we believe,I don't expect there to be any superiority between the two, from an objective view, not prepossessed towards one feeling of the other.Well, infinite God might depend on one's definition of God,Might depend on whether another 'accepts such a definition.My own interest isn't so much in arguing against people's reasons for believing God,So my being at square one doesn't bother me much,Though I've debated the point with someone at least once in the past, as a way of testing my own beliefs and conclusions.I'm not an Atheist interested in crusading against religion,I'm happy enough usually to talk in bits on religion,Admiring what I find beautiful or useful, in Religion 'or Atheism. I think.
You are a fence sitter who cannot decide which side the grass is greener. But using words like interested, beautiful, useful and happy qualifies you for a used car salesman.
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@Athias
We pray on behalf of people and we pray for people. In our worship services - a presbyterian service - we have praise and confession prayer.
How do you pray "on behalf" of someone when the only mediator between a person and God is Jesus? (This is explicitly stated in the Bible.)
Catholics hold to the view that Mary is not dead. But rather alive, having ascended like Jesus.
This is an assumption based on a misinterpreted premise, i.e. Mary is the "mother of God." Mary is not the mother of God; she's the mother of Jesus's corporeal/human body, whereas God created Jesus soul/spirit.
Others would hold to the view as in Revelation 6:9-11 that those in heaven know what is going on earth and petition on behalf of those on earth is not just a future thing but ongoing now.
Where does it state that? Wasn't it the martyrs who petitioned God?
My purpose was to look at the substance behind the commandment not to have icons and images and to differentiate between the two. What would convince you that they don't see them as items of worship?
The "substance" is explicitly stated, "thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth." Not having graven images of Mary, or even Jesus himself, would convince me that they're not items of worship.
The bible forbids such items - if they are to be used as items of worship.
No, the Bible expresses God's condemnation of such items straight out. In fact, when God commands that these items are not to worshiped, it's because God states jealousy as the reason. God provides NO CAVEAT when it comes to creating and possessing these items.
For example. Peter in the book of Acts - was instructed by God to eat bacon and ham.
Where in ACTS does it specify that Peter had to eat pig? Is the chapter to which you're referring really about Peter/Simon eating "bacon" or "ham," or his questioning God's authority, and segregating himself from those who he considered "common" and "unclean"?
Yet in the NT - since Christ fulfilled all things including the sacrifices - and this also applies to the Sabbath.
Where does it state this?
I had never heard of this until you raised it. I have never been to the Vatican and probably never will. I did do a google search and it was interesting read. Nevertheless, it does seem pretty clear that there are those who would like to paint the Catholic Church as a satan serving church and do distort images to make it appear to be that way. Other photos - pain a completely different view.
I've shown you two images of the Vatican's Audience Hall: (1) one of its interior design, and (2) one of its exterior design. Both look like the head of a serpent. Where is the distortion? I do believe that Catholics like an overwhelming majority of Christian denominations are being coaxed into accepting Luciferian rituals, because the Pope and the Catholic elite, I suspect, ARE LUCIFIERIANS--the pope himself being Lucifer's vicar.
I am not Catholic - so my views on his mistakes would be biased. I think he stuffed up in relation to the handling of child sex matters. I think he was probably corrupt
Not to mention his likely participation in these child-sex matters. Pope Francis does no better in handling this institutionalized pederasty, but he hasn't resigned.
Yes, he did.
No, he didn't. And you yourself have set the premise as to the reason a Sunday (morning) resurrection was not the case.
The NT clearly says he rose early on the first day of the week. I also think he prob died on Wednesday -
BINGO! So let's count. Jesus was hurriedly entombed before the Annual Sabbath on Wednesday evening (start of Thursday--remember days started with the evening, not midnight); So if Jesus was to resurrect in three days and three nights, the timeline would follow as such: Wednesday Sundown-Thursday Sundown (Thursday,) Thursday Sundown to Friday Sundown (Friday,) Friday Sundown-Saturday Sundown (Saturday a.k.a. Seventh Day a.k.a. Weekly Sabbath.) That means Jesus would have resurrected Saturday at Sundown (the beginning of the first day of the Week a.k.a. "Sunday.") Now if we use a different count, taking into account that Jesus died on Wednesday afternoon, then the count would start with Wednesday, meaning that Jesus would have resurrected Friday night/Saturday morning.
Note that in John 20, it states that Mary Magdeline went to the tomb early, while it was still dark, to discover that not only the stone covering the tomb had been moved but also the tomb was empty. It's also important to note that because of Sabbath, she with Mary, mother of James, and Salome would have been forbidden from performing any labors as in gathering aromatic spices and moving the Stone which entombed Jesus's body. The Bible does not state that Jesus resurrects upon discovery of his empty tomb. Jesus himself stated when he would resurrect. And by all rational counts, that would exclude a "Sunday Morning" resurrection as we understand it. So why do Catholics observe the resurrection on Sunday--our Sundays (Sunday morning-Sunday evening)?
So you understand then. good.If you read the book of Hebrews you would understand? We are now resting in Christ. That was the purpose of the Sabbath.
I do understand. I'm not quite confident that you do. Hebrews points out that Jesus's sacrifice does not provide a substitute for keeping faith with God. I don't know from where you've gleaned this notion that the chapters somehow expresses the elimination or re-designation of the weekly Sabbath.
Because Christ is our sabbath.
That does not answer anything. Because Catholics have still particularized and designated a "Sabbath day," which is Sunday. Since you've assumed their proxy, I'm asking, "why?"
The only real answer is "sin." Probably due to the fact that the Catholic church wanted to preserve the integrity of the priesthood. Wanted to believe its priests were above reproach. Maybe - the focus on single priests only had a bit to do with it as well. Maybe there was just too many opportunities and not enough accountability.
Why do you think that is?
I don't know how long it has gone on.
Some accusations here in the U.S. date back as far as the 1950's; its first cited publicity was said to be in the mid-1980's. But I suspect it has gone on much longer than that.
It certainly has existed for just as long in the other institutions in society - from Boy Scouts, schools, orphanages, sports clubs, political clubs, university clubs, bikie clubs, brothels, etc.
No, much longer. But yes, the institutions you mentioned have issues with pederasty.
It sadly is part of humanity in all of its institutions -
Saying that other institutions do it as well does not mitigate that the Catholic Church has an issue with institutionalized pederasty.
As long as you're assuming the proxy of Catholics, I have a few more questions:
- Why do (Catholics) celebrate the date of Jesus's birth on Christmas, December 25th?
- Why hasn't the Pope ordered the destruction of the Obelisk located in St. Peter's Square or the Statue of Moloch in the Colosseum?
- Why is the observance of the resurrection named "Easter"?
I don’t see Tradesecret coming back from this level of shellacking.
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both are a matter of faith
no "faith" is required to "lack belief" in bigfootwhich bigfoot are you even talking about ?
If they have big hands they probably have big feet.
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@rosends
Think where the jews would be today If they just let Jesus complete his mission?
As he failed before he died he had no particular mission.
Jesus declared his mission before the Jews.
Matthew 15:24 Then Jesus said to the woman, “I was sent only to help God’s lost sheep—the people of Israel.”
Imagine where the world would be if it hadn't repeatedly, try to kill all the Jews.
Are the Jews distancing themselves from Jesus because Jesus claimed dead Jews could forgive sins? And the world rejoiced and started sacrificing Jews in proportion to the growing Christian population of sinners so that they would be forgiven.
But Jews sacrificing Palestinians by killing them and stealing their land is an act of murder and blasphemy. Dead Palestinians cannot forgive sins only Jews can.
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@Double_R
It's not atheists presenting atheism as a competing belief, that's a strawman theists invented in order to convince themselves that they are not the only ones who have a burden of proof they cannot meet.The term atheist doesn't need to explain anything other than an individual's position on whether there is a god, just as the word theist tells us nothing other than an individual's position on whether there is a god. These terms do not tell us what god, they don't tell us whether the individual is religious, they don't tell us how long they have believed nor how convinced they are. If you want to know more about an individual's position, just ask. Expecting a single word to convey all of this is just lazy and is not an argument against the notion that atheism is simply a lack of belief.
If God whose existence is denied by Atheists cannot set the record right. How can God be credited with what Theists believe about him? The labels like omnipresent! Omnipotence, omniscience all become meaningless and hyperbolic.
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Polytheist: I don't think atheists have faith in anything. The only reason their beliefs are illegitimate need to be degraded is because it comes out of bigotry not a single atheist I've ever met has any respect for a single theist.
Please provide a quotation of a case where I have disrespected you.Perhaps, and I’m just spitballing here - that your perception of atheists being disrespectful is partly down to your go-to responses being gems such as:
Polytheist: You guys are pieces of crap
go take a s*** on the toilet, wipe your ass and flush cuz that's all the more it's worth to me.
Another liar who wants some kind of door that they can go through to insult theists and not get called out for it
because you're a lying piece of s***
because you're all goddamn liars and try to look better than these because you think you're superior to them. Fuck that.
You really are the biggest idiot that post on this site.
In this respect, again spitballing, perhaps the disrespect you experience from atheists isn’t because you’re a theist, but because you’re a bit of a Berkeley Hunt.
Polytheist-Witch is a good example of how witches deal with going past menopause. That still doesn’t justify burning witches, though.
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Jesus quoted from 24 books in the Old Testament. The Jews rejected Jesus because of his adherence to the Old Testament. He was preparing them for their next exile.
Jews rejected him because he advocated breaking God's rules, he was not eligible to be the messiah, and he was a failure. And now, he's also a dead failure.
Matthew 23:37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing.
The Jews demanded Jesus be crucified.
Luke 23:21 But they kept shouting, “Crucify him! Crucify him!”
Now the Rabbi calls Jesus a failure and also a dead failure even though the Jews accepted.
Matthew 27:25 All the people (Jews) answered, “His blood is on us and on our children!”
Jews have tried to distance themselves from Jesus and their role in his crucifixion.
But the world holds the Jews responsible and labels the Jews circumcised Christ killers. How can a Rabbi rewrite Jewish history when the facts are so overwhelming?
Think where the jews would be today If they just let Jesus complete his mission?
Matthew 15:24 Then Jesus said to the woman, “I was sent only to help God’s lost sheep—the people of Israel.”
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Polytheist-Witch: Bigot, anti-semitic piece of s***. You'd never tell anyone to their face anything you say on this website you piece of f****** s***. Act on your death threats or f*** off.
Exodus 22:18 8 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
Proves burning of witches was universal. Even the Jews under Moses were ordered to do so.
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wow...look! more quotes from books that fdon't mean anything. Then you make a claim about prophecy which is different from what you stated earlier! You can't even keep track of your own points. You are hilarious.
Jesus quoted from 24 books in the Old Testament. The Jews rejected Jesus because of his adherence to the Old Testament. He was preparing them for their next exile.
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@Tarik
Many self proclaimed Christians don’t follow the Old Testament
Polytheist-Witch: They shouldn't, the Old Testament is for Jews. Any Christian that starts about the ten commandments as far as I'm concerned is not a Christian.
If you read the Bible you might have found the exact verse Christians used to justify burning witches.
Exodus 22:18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
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Polytheist-Witch: Act on your death threat or fuck off, pussy.
Still threatening your dying sensation less private part. Signs of menopause not misplacement of your broom.
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@rosends
The purpose and mission of the prophets were completely lost to the Jews.
so your essential argument is that Jews don't understand Judaism and Jewish ideas. OK.
Jerusalem, Killer of Prophets
SCRIPTURE READING — PSALM 147:1-7; LUKE 13:31-35
Luke 13:34 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. 35 Look, your house is left to you desolate. I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.”
— Luke 13:34
Jerusalem was supposed to be a place where God gathered the outcasts and healed the brokenhearted, not the center for killing his prophets. It had happened before, and it was happening again (see 2 Chronicles 24:20-21; Jeremiah 26:20-23; Luke 9:9). Ruled by ruthless Herod and governed by the Romans, the city of peace was again an opponent of God’s purposes. If it killed the messengers of God, what would it do with the Son of God?
Jerusalem’s opposition did not deter Jesus from continuing his journey. He didn’t shrink from his calling. He was determined to appear in Jerusalem as the Lord’s Messiah. He knew that at the time God had appointed, and not before, he too would be sentenced there to die.
Through his work of salvation and restoration, Jesus will also return one day with a new Jerusalem that truly gathers God’s people, healing the brokenhearted and binding up their wounds. Then there will be no more mourning or crying or pain (Revelation 21:1-4).
Jesus said, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick” (Luke 5:31)—physically, mentally, spiritually. This includes us: we need the healing and saving love of Jesus just as much as all who rejected him in Jerusalem.
But all these prophets could not help Jews to defend their homeland from the Egyptians, the Babylonians, the Medians, the Greeks, and now under Western rule(Holocaust).
If the Jews understood the mission of the prophets they would have been better prepared to live in exile.
and yet this claim has no relation to the role of the prophet
All the disaster that came on the northern kingdom was a direct result of its rejection of the word of the Lord. God sent them prophets to confront and correct them, but they persisted in patterns of idolatry, injustice, and rebellion.
Jesus confirms the role of the prophets.
Matthew 15:24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”
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Polytheist-Witch: Then act, pussy.
Sounds like you have a misbehaving bitch part.
Follow the instructions.
If it hurts go to a smaller size.
If it leaks go to a bigger size.
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@Tarik
Many self proclaimed Christians don’t follow the Old Testament.
That would be illogical. The Old Testament is the foundation on which the New Testament gets its credibility. The New Testament is the fulfillment of the prophesies in the Old Testament.
But Jews reject the New Testament because they rejected Jesus as the promised Messiah.
Even Jesus quoted from 24 books in the Old Testament. Remember, Jesus was a circumcised Jew.
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Polytheist-Witch: Your death threats are boring act on them or f*** off.
Your death wish is becoming more apparent. That is why you are on a Religion Forum full of Catholic converts.
From your title you declare you are a witch in many religions. Is that to improve your chances of getting burnt?
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Polytheist-Witch: Please don't sit here and try to pretend that atheists don't do certain things because you want to see more superior and thought and action than theists. Atheists believe no gods exist. They do not at any point try to compare one god to another, all gods are in one single category, all gods are false. They do not believe any gods exist and to say otherwise is a falsehood on your part and a lie and an attempt to manipulate the conversation. This is why you get topics like atheist or cowards and atheists or hypocrites because you're all goddamn liars and try to look better than these because you think you're superior to them. Fuck that.
The Christians burnt witches. Atheists had nothing to do with these godly acts. They were Skeptical it was even justified.
Theists are upset with Atheists because Atheists do not participate in godly acts defined by theists such as witch burning and crusades wars.
“Atheists believe no gods exist. They do not at any point try to compare one god to another, all gods are in one single category, all gods are false. They do not believe any gods exist and to say otherwise is a falsehood on your part and a lie and an attempt to manipulate the conversation.”
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@Tarik
Their population growth has outpaced the flood. Proof the flood did not reach their shores.
What is this flood you speak of?
Genesis 7:4 Seven days from now I will send rain on the earth for forty days and forty nights, and I will wipe from the face of the earth every living creature I have made."
Genesis 7:23 Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; men and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds of the air were wiped from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark. 24 The waters flooded the earth for a hundred and fifty days.
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But all these prophets could not help Jews to defend their homeland from the Egyptians, the Babylonians, the Medians, the Greeks, and now under Western rule(Holocaust).
If you think that this is relevant then you have no idea what the purpose of a prophet is.
The purpose and mission of the prophets were completely lost to the Jews.
All these prophets could not help Jews to defend their homeland from the Egyptians, the Babylonians, the Medians, the Greeks, and now under Western rule(Holocaust).
According to the Talmud, there were 48 prophets and 7 prophetesses of Judaism. The last Jewish prophet is believed to have been Malachi.
The 48 prophets to Israel
1. Abraham – Hebrew patriarch according to the Bible
2.Isaac – Biblical patriarch
3. Jacob – Regarded as a Patriarch of the Israelites, later given the name Israel
4. Moses – Abrahamic prophet said to have led the Israelites out of Egypt
5. Aaron – Prophet, high priest, and the brother of Moses in the Abrahamic religions
6.Joshua – Central figure in the Hebrew Bible's Book of Joshua
7. Phinehas – Biblical priest and prophet who opposed the heresy of Peor
8. Eli – High priest of Shiloh in ancient Israel
9. Elkanah – Husband of Hannah and father of Samuel in the Books of Samuel
10. Samuel – Biblical prophet who plays a key role in the establishment of the Israelite monarchy
11. Gad – Seer or prophet mentioned in the Hebrew Bible
12. Natan – Person in the Hebrew Bible
13. David – Biblical figure; third monarch of the United Kingdom of Israel
14. Ahijah the Shilonite – Biblical prophet
15. Solomon – Biblical monarch of ancient Israel
16.Shemaiah – Bible prophet credited with preventing a war between the divided kingdoms of Rehoboam and Jeroboam
17. Iddo – Minor biblical prophet
18. Obadiah – Biblical prophet to whom authorship of the Book of Obadiah is attributed
19.Jehu – Biblical prophet and son of Hanani
20. Oded – Father of Azariah the prophet
21. Azariah – Biblical prophet credited with persuading King Asa of Judah to carry out reforms
22. Hanani – Biblical character
23. Jahaziel – Meaning of Jahaziel in the Bible
24. Eliezer
25. Elijah – Biblical prophet
26.Elisha – Prophet and wonder-worker in the Hebrew Bible
27. Micaiah – Biblical prophet, disciple of Elijah
28. Jonah – Quranic and Biblical prophet
29. Amos – Hebrew prophet
30. Hosea – Biblical character
31. Amoz – Father of Isaiah
32. Isaiah – Israelite prophet
33. Micah – Prophet in Judaism
34. Joel – Abrahamic prophet, author of Book of Joel
35. Zephaniah – Person in the bible
36. Nahum – Minor prophet in the Bible
37.Habakkuk – Prophet of the Hebrew Bible
38. Urijah – Biblical prophet, son of Shemaiah
39. Jeremiah – Biblical prophet
40. Ezekiel – Prophet in the Abrahamic religions
41. Mehseiah – Minor figure in the Hebrew Bible
42. Neriah – Biblical figure, father of Baruch and Seraiah
43.Baruch ben Neriah – Biblical character, friend of prophet Jeremiah
44. Seraiah
45. Haggai – Hebrew prophet
46.Zechariah – Biblical prophet
47. Mordechai Bilshan – Biblical figure
48. Malachi – Traditional writer of the Book of Malachi
The 7 prophetesses to Israel[edit]
1. Sarah – Biblical character
2. Miriam – Sister of Moses and Aaron
3. Deborah – Prophetess in the Bible
4. Hannah – Biblical prophetess, traditional author of the Song of Hannah, mother of Samuel
5. Abigail – Wife of King David in the Bible
6. Huldah – Biblical character
7. Esther – Biblical Jewish queen of Persia and Medes
Prophets to other nations[edit]
The Talmud lists 7 prophets to the nations of the world (gentiles):[10]
1. Balaam – Prophet
2. Beor – Biblical figure, father of Balaam
3. Job – Biblical figure
4. Eliphaz – Biblical figure, an associate of Job
5. Bildad – Biblical figure, an associate of Job
6. Zophar – Biblical figure, an associate of Job
7. Elihu – Biblical figure, an associate of Job
But all these prophets could not help Jews to defend their homeland from the Egyptians, the Babylonians, the Medians, the Greeks, and now under Western rule(Holocaust).
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