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It may be a case that something unusual occurred and when the church got wind of the story decided to embellish it with their own take on what "really" happened.
Hard to fool that many people in a crowd about an event they attended.
I mean 70,000 people witnessed this. Let's say 25% of that crown is retarded or liars. Than we still have like 50,000 people who will call them on their bullshit.
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@Best.Korea
The remake of Fable 1:I know that better graphics are usually much good, but Fable the Anniversary could have added a bit more to the game than simply graphics.
Which Fable game is the best one?
fable 1 (+ TLC) is generally considered, overall, the best in the series.
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@sadolite
"no knowledge of anything other than what you regurgitate from media "
Trump loves to talk to the media. You won’t get any information out of Melania.
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@Best.Korea
Thats kinda rude.
Explain to him what a trans is.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Good day guys.And ummmm hey. ,have a great weekend.
Did you get anything for Jesus for his birthday?
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@Lemming
I wonder why police don't carry condensed law books on them at all times,Or have a legal call center they can call to check themselves before they take certain actions.
They are taught law enforcement guidelines in their training. But forget in when they are under stress on the job.
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@Savant
Elon Musk made all his money in America. Now he wants to tell Americans how to live.
He hasn't prevented any American from applying for a job or even working for another company.Americans made money working for Musk. Now they want to tell him who to hire.
Elon Musk has laid off more than 6,000 people at Twitter since taking over the company, he told the BBC in a rare interview late Tuesday.
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@Mall
Do you want me to tell you what scripture says debating is?It's not what you said. Do you desire me to tell you?
The Apostle Paul wrote to his mentee Timothy, “Have nothing to do with foolish, ignorant controversies; you know that they breed quarrels. And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, correcting his opponents with gentleness” (2 Timothy 22:23-25a).
What does 2 Timothy 2 23 25 mean?
Thus Paul tells Timothy that he should not quarrel or get entangled in foolish and pointless arguments (this is part of guarding or watching your life). And he tells him to stand for sound teaching over against his opponents (this is part of guarding or watching your doctrine).
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@Sidewalker
Take the butterfly, you have a caterpillar that at a certain point in time, grows a cocoon, then the caterpillar liquefies, and this homogenous liquid, with no structure at all, it slowly assembles into a butterfly, a completely different creature emerges from the cocoon, full grown and able to fly....from a liquid.We are just going to have to look deeper to understand it.
Great examples. Butterflies are not mammals.
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@MAV99
Difference between what is true as an assumption.No. That is not what it means. That is most certainly not what St. Thomas means either.
Suppositum Definition: Something supposed to be true; an assumption. Suppositum Latin From the past participle of supponere, to suppose.
He is speaking here of a suppositum which is a philosophical concept that means a real distinct being having a nature. You and I are suppositums of a human nature.
He does not even mention nature in the article. He is comparing what is an assumption and what is true
God the father is the son and is the Holy Spirit...does not mean:God is the father,Do you speak English?!?!?!?!
You did not complete the sentence God the father is the son and is the Holy Spirit. God the father means god is the father.
If all 3 persons have the same nature. There is no distinction in persons, they have the same nature.Wrong again showing you are either making stuff up and doing google searches to try and justify yourself. Nature is not the same thing as personhood. You and I have the same nature, but we are not the same person.
Read your description of persons below:
You wrote: “The first says there is no real distinction in Persons.”
“The second says All 3 Persons have the same nature.”
You are saying there is no distinction in persons. All three have the same nature.
You cannot even grasp the concept of the Trinity.I never said I could. Nor did I say anything that says I have.
Here you admit you cannot even grasp the concept of the Trinity.
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@MAV99
God the father is the son and is the Holy Spirit...does not say the same thing as:
It says God is the father, is the son and is the Holy Spirit.
That is the same as God is Father, God is Son, and God is Holy Spirit. There is only one God, but there are three persons Father, son and Holy Spirit.
God is Father, God is Son, and God is Holy Spirit...The first says there is no real distinction in Persons.The second says All 3 Persons have the same nature.
If all 3 persons have the same nature. There is no distinction in persons, they have the same nature.
Doesn’t look like you read it yourself.Doesn't look like you can read.
You cannot even grasp the concept of the Trinity.
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@RemyBrown
You're a pedophile; of course you would say that.
How do you know he /she is a pedophile?
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@RemyBrown
Then cut government spending to zero. That minimizes cost, and you don't care about anything else.I'm fine with government spending going to individuals that benefit society (teachers, cops, etc), not to those that are bad for society (murderers, r@pists, really any criminal).A teacher's presence benefits society relative to that teacher not existing; this is not true for a criminal.
You are a utilitarian.
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@MAV99
means only a distinction of "suppositum";What does this mean? Do you know? Do you actually understand what he is saying here?
Difference between what is true as an assumption.
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@MAV99
All of Theology is studied under the light of philosophy. If it isn't it becomes sentimental.
Theology is the study of religious belief from a religious perspective, with a focus on the nature of divinity. It is taught as an academic discipline, typically in universities and seminaries.[1] It occupies itself with the unique content of analyzing the supernatural, but also deals with religious epistemology, asks and seeks to answer the question of revelation. Revelation pertains to the acceptance of God, gods, or deities, as not only transcendent or above the natural world, but also willing and able to interact with the natural world and to reveal themselves to humankind.
Theologians use various forms of analysis and argument (experiential, philosophical, ethnographic, historical, and others) to help understand, explain, test, critique, defend or promote any myriad of religious topics. As in philosophy of ethicsand case law, arguments often assume the existence of previously resolved questions, and develop by making analogies from them to draw new inferences in new situations.
Theologians use various forms of analysis and argument (experiential, philosophical, ethnographic, historical, and others) to help understand, explain, test, critique, defend or promote any myriad of religious topics. As in philosophy of ethicsand case law, arguments often assume the existence of previously resolved questions, and develop by making analogies from them to draw new inferences in new situations.
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@Sidewalker
Ruh roh, Musk overruled Trump on H-1B visas and now MAGA folks are threatening to murder him.They don't like it when Musk puts Trump in his place.
Trump is head of MAGA not Elon Musk.
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@MAV99
I have heard of Professor Hughes and there are many Thomists who disagree with him on his understanding of Thomistic Doctrine.GardailGrenierHugonto name a few...I answer that, Since as Jerome remarks [In substance, Ep. lvii.], a heresy arises from words wrongly used, when we speak of the Trinity we must proceed with care and with befitting modesty; because, as Augustine says (De Trin. i, 3), "nowhere is error more harmful, the quest more toilsome, the finding more fruitful." Now, in treating of the Trinity, we must beware of two opposite errors, and proceed cautiously between them—namely, the error of Arius, who placed a Trinity of substance with the Trinity of persons; and the error of Sabellius, who placed unity of person with the unity of essence.Thus, to avoid the error of Arius we must shun the use of the terms diversity and difference in God, lest we take away the unity of essence: we may, however, use the term "distinction" on account of the relative opposition. Hence whenever we find terms of "diversity" or "difference" of Persons used in an authentic work, these terms of "diversity" or "difference" are taken to mean "distinction." But lest the simplicity and singleness of the divine essence be taken away, the terms "separation" and "division," which belong to the parts of a whole, are to be avoided: and lest quality be taken away, we avoid the use of the term "disparity": and lest we remove similitude, we avoid the terms "alien" and "discrepant." For Ambrose says (De Fide i) that "in the Father and the Son there is no discrepancy, but one Godhead": and according to Hilary, as quoted above, "in God there is nothing alien, nothing separable."To avoid the heresy of Sabellius, we must shun the term "singularity," lest we take away the communicability of the divine essence. Hence Hilary says (De Trin. vii): "It is sacrilege to assert that the Father and the Son are separate in Godhead." We must avoid the adjective "only" [unici] lest we take away the number of persons. Hence Hilary says in the same book: "We exclude from God the idea of singularity or uniqueness." Nevertheless, we say "the only Son," for in God there is no plurality of Sons. Yet, we do not say "the only God," for the Deity is common to several. We avoid the word "confused," lest we take away from the Persons the order of their nature. Hence Ambrose says (De Fide i): "What is one is not confused; and there is no multiplicity where there is no difference." The word "solitary" is also to be avoided, lest we take away the society of the three persons; for, as Hilary says (De Trin. iv), "We confess neither a solitary nor a diverse God."
This does not address St Thomas Aquinas use of the word same/sameness in describing the Trinity.
St Thomas Aquinas sees the same sameness in the Trinity.
Aquinas says that the alleged consequence would follow only if the persons were the same both in thing and in concept. But they are not; they are merely the same thing.
This move is puzzling. Aquinas holds that the three are not merely similar or derived from the same source, but are in some strong sense the same, but not identical (i.e. numerically the same) which he appears to understand as sameness in both thing and concept. Even this last is surprising; one would think that for Aquinas “sameness in thing” just is identity, and that “sameness in concept” would mean that we apply the same concept to some apparent things (whether or not they are in fact one or many). Christopher Hughes holds that Aquinas is simply confused, his desire for orthodoxy having led him into this (and other) necessary falsehoods. On Hughes’s reading, Aquinas does think of “sameness in thing” as identity, but he incoherently holds it to be non-transitive (i.e. if A and B are identical, and B and C are identical, it doesn’t follow that A and C are identical), while in some contexts assuming (correctly) that it is transitive (Hughes 1989, 217–40).
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@MAV99
Your post#98You here are using language that implies sameness between two persons. You have to be careful. It would be better to say it as "God is a Trinity of three Persons. God the Son became Man and The Holy Spirit is the Comforter or Paraclete."Like I said, I do not think you intend heresy. But I think you are using language that is ambiguous and leads one to think that there is a sameness between two persons. That is why I brought in Modalism. That is the type of language they used when discussing this. You have to be careful how you say it.
St Thomas Aquinas sees the same sameness in the Trinity.
St. Thomas is very clear here, if you understand the terms he is using from philosophy. The Persons are distinct and not each other.
Firstly we are discussing theology and not philosophy. The word distinct does not appear in St Thomas Aquinas thesis. The word same/sameness is repeated throughout his article. Repeated below:
St Thomas Aquinas sees the same sameness in the Trinity.
Aquinas says that the alleged consequence would follow only if the persons were the same both in thing and in concept. But they are not; they are merely the same thing.
This move is puzzling. Aquinas holds that the three are not merely similar or derived from the same source, but are in some strong sense the same, but not identical (i.e. numerically the same) which he appears to understand as sameness in both thing and concept. Even this last is surprising; one would think that for Aquinas “sameness in thing” just is identity, and that “sameness in concept” would mean that we apply the same concept to some apparent things (whether or not they are in fact one or many). Christopher Hughes holds that Aquinas is simply confused, his desire for orthodoxy having led him into this (and other) necessary falsehoods. On Hughes’s reading, Aquinas does think of “sameness in thing” as identity, but he incoherently holds it to be non-transitive (i.e. if A and B are identical, and B and C are identical, it doesn’t follow that A and C are identical), while in some contexts assuming (correctly) that it is transitive (Hughes 1989, 217–40).
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@Double_R
Scaramouche who has been campaigning for Harris has openly threatened to murder Elon Musk if he doesn't play ball with the deep stateIs this supposed to be a joke? Cause there's no way you listened to your video and took that away from it.
I thought it was a crime to threaten to kill someone publicly.
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@MAV99
Are you going to ignore Jesus and the Holy Spirit?God will give you the grace if you do your part.God does not just drop knowledge into our brains. We have to do our part in studying and reading what other great saints have said and done before us.God also expects us to follow the teaching of the Catholic Church because He gave Her the authority to do so. He expects us to study and love our faith.You have a Sola Scriptura attitude which is a protestant attitude.
Jesus said the Holy Spirit teaches us all things.
When Jesus was living on the earth He talked about sending the Holy Spirit to teach us all things. John 14:26 “But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you. The Holy Spirit teaches us all things.
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@Mall
Just asking based off how this individual formats and uses language.
To call his responses AI is a compliment.
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@lacr3000
Sounds about right. By the way, thanks for your overwhelming support of the Biden admin. over the past 4 years.
Are you going to return the favour to Trump’s admin?
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@Mall
Do you celebrate the new day?
I celebrate every new day that I am blessed with.
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@Mall
What does scripture say debating is?
The Apostle Paul wrote to his mentee Timothy, “Have nothing to do with foolish, ignorant controversies; you know that they breed quarrels. And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, correcting his opponents with gentleness” (2 Timothy 22:23-25a).
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@Mall
12.27.2024 11:19AM325-->@<<<Mall>>>"And if as you say the BIBLE teaches us not to judge others then this contradicts the command that those that commit" homosexual abominations "against god should be put to death, doesn't it? ""Let's get the quotes right . I believe Sidewalker is quoting you Stephen.
That is being judgemental.
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@MAV99
So god is a spirit, he appears to us as the Holy Spirit, he also appeared to us as Jesus.Your post#98You here are using language that implies sameness between two persons. You have to be careful. It would be better to say it as "God is a Trinity of three Persons. God the Son became Man and The Holy Spirit is the Comforter or Paraclete."Like I said, I do not think you intend heresy. But I think you are using language that is ambiguous and leads one to think that there is a sameness between two persons. That is why I brought in Modalism. That is the type of language they used when discussing this. You have to be careful how you say it.
St Thomas Aquinas sees the same sameness in the Trinity.
Aquinas says that the alleged consequence would follow only if the persons were the same both in thing and in concept. But they are not; they are merely the same thing.
This move is puzzling. Aquinas holds that the three are not merely similar or derived from the same source, but are in some strong sense the same, but not identical (i.e. numerically the same) which he appears to understand as sameness in both thing and concept. Even this last is surprising; one would think that for Aquinas “sameness in thing” just is identity, and that “sameness in concept” would mean that we apply the same concept to some apparent things (whether or not they are in fact one or many). Christopher Hughes holds that Aquinas is simply confused, his desire for orthodoxy having led him into this (and other) necessary falsehoods. On Hughes’s reading, Aquinas does think of “sameness in thing” as identity, but he incoherently holds it to be non-transitive (i.e. if A and B are identical, and B and C are identical, it doesn’t follow that A and C are identical), while in some contexts assuming (correctly) that it is transitive (Hughes 1989, 217–40).
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@FLRW
Japanese people their concept of religion is often more focused on practices and harmony with nature than strict doctrinal beliefs.
Most religions have not achieved harmony with nature and are constantly stirring up human conflict.
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@Mall
So every last one of you celebrating Christmas, you not taking the lead but going along with okey doke.
But in actuality you demonstrate your own mind, your own creativity outside of convention.
Just food for thought.
Don't follow, lead.
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@cristo71
They have an incredible culture too.
That Americans would love to imitate.
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@Savant
recent x post by Elon MuskWe're surprised that someone born in another country is hiring people from other countries? May as well say all of Elon Musk's American employees are stealing jobs from South Africans
Exactly, Elon Musk made all his money in America. Now he wants to tell Americans how to live.
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@MAV99
Read your Bible.I do.I think I will stick with an actually approved Theologian of the Catholic Church to explain the teaching that the Catholic Church safeguards regarding the Bible
Are you going to ignore Jesus and the Holy Spirit?
Read your Bible and follow what it says.
John 14:26
The Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you everything and make you remember all that I have told you
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If you say so. I don't believe it. But a forewarning for what?
To let his people go.
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@Mall
Yeah he was a scholar while Paul was a debater.
Debating is putting someone down in a competition. Scholars share their learnings.
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@ILikePie5
Do you celebrate new years day?Yes
Is that another pasta celebration?
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@Best.Korea
Are you calling me smart because I am nice?Yes.
Love thy neighbour but be likeable yourself works.
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@MAV99
So unless you want to deny The Church's authority, you might want to think twice about throwing out St. Thomas' work. I think he knows better than you do.
Read your Bible.
John 14:26
The Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you everything and make you remember all that I have told you
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@lacr3000
The effective tax rate for the rich was 45%
Those days are never coming back.
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@Mall
Are you artificial intelligence?
No, it is just natural intelligence.
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@Best.Korea
Japanese people are some of the nicest people I have ever met.Smart people are usually nice.
Are you calling me smart because I am nice?
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@Double_R
Why are you guys like this?Don't know, ask the people who are.
Liberals accept people for who they are and not what they are?
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@MAV99
Summa Theologica Prima Pars, Question 31, article 2.Read the Respondeo. St. Thomas condemns what you said.Go read it. I gave you the reference.If you want, I can even take a picture from my own copy of the Summa and send it to you.
Your source should be the Bible and Jesus.
How did Jesus explain the Trinity?
Early Christians thought Jesus first referred to the Trinity in Matthew 28:19, by stating, "in the name of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." In John 10:30, Jesus said, "I and my Father are one." The belief in the Holy Trinity emerged during the life and/or shortly after the death and resurrection of ...
Did Jesus talk about the Holy Trinity?
He did not specifically refer to the term Trinity but did describe God in what we would call trinitarian terms or formulations. Jesus described God as "the Father", he described himself as God's son, and one with God the Father, and described the Holy Spirit as somehow proceeding from both the Father and himself.
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@MAV99
Thomas Aquinas quote: Therefore God the father is the son and is the Holy Spirit, and that these are not three but one God.Where is the reference for this?Do you have one?
It is in the first paragraph of the link you provided. Doesn’t look like you read it yourself.
A Summa of the Summa | Part 1, The Holy Trinity : Faith (The Divine Trinity) | Summary
Summary
St. Thomas Aquinas begins his teaching on the Trinity by asserting that "God is Father, God is Son, and God is Holy Spirit," and that these are not three but one God.
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What happened has already happened, and what will be has already been.
The plagues in the Bible were purposefully sent by God with a forewarning.
What are the 10 plagues in the Bible?
The Ten Plagues of Egypt in Order | Exodus | History
The Ten Plagues of Egypt in Order are: water turning to blood, frogs, lice, flies, livestock pestilence, boils, hail, locusts, darkness, and the killing of firstborn children. These plagues are recorded in the Bible, and were sent by God after Pharaoh refused to let the Israelites leave Egypt.
What is the story of Moses and the plagues?
Did the 10 Plagues of Egypt Really Happen? | TIME
As the Passover story tells it, after Pharaoh refuses Moses' entreaties to let the enslaved Israelites go free, God sends a series of ten plagues to pressure the Egyptian ruler. Each time, Pharaoh promises to free the Israelites, but reverses his decision when the plague is lifted — until the last one.
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@FLRW
Japanese people are some of the nicest people I have ever met.
They have an incredible culture too.
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Japanese cars are superior and mostly built in the United States jack ass
Toyota and Honda are built in Canada.
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@MAV99
am backed by the Catholic Church.No you are not. What you said "God the Father is the Son and The Holy Spirit" is explicitly condemned in the Council of Nicea.
I stick to my Catholic teachings which match St Thomas Aquinas.
Therefore God the father is the son and is the Holy Spirit, and that these are not three but one God.
1 John 5:7
There are three in heaven who prove it is true. They are the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit. These three are one
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@MAV99
Therefore God the father is the son and is the Holy Spirit, and that these are not three but one God.This is sabellionism. This is what St. Thomas taught against. I am not calling St. Thomas a sabellionist.What you said in the quote above is what St. Thomas said, but it is out of context and you clearly lack the understanding behind those words he is using. You are twisting them to your own understanding in order to save face.
How am I twisting St Thomas’s quote which backs my quote of 1 John 5:7.
1 John 5:7
There are three in heaven who prove it is true. They are the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit. These three are one
St Thomas Aquinas quote: Therefore God the father is the son and is the Holy Spirit, and that these are not three but one God.
Nature is not the same thing as personhood.The nature of God is not determined by what function He is doing.
Jesus was the second person who appeared in human form and could be seen and touched. The third person appeared as the Holy Spirit . Because it was a spirit no one saw it. Each performed a different function.
If you haven't studied the philosophy or theology of this, I would not recommend you keep posting.
I stick to my Catholic teachings which match St Thomas Aquinas.
Therefore God the father is the son and is the Holy Spirit, and that these are not three but one God.
1 John 5:7
There are three in heaven who prove it is true. They are the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit. These three are one
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