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And you still haven't said if or not that this woman would have been stoned if it wasn't for Jesus? YES or NO?
Obviously she would have been stoned to death had Jesus not intervened
You are correct. But tell me, dif Jesus' "gang of 12 men" tell the crowd "not to do anything" or not to interfere. Is there a biblical verse perhaps that you can highlight for us, that shows these gang of twelve threatening or just telling and advising anyone " not to do something,"?
They really wouldn't need to. JESUS drew a line in the sand and asked somebody to cross it. He had a gang of 12 men with him.
It is like 6 large black men standing around you in a circle in prison inviting you to pick up the soap. They don't have to explicitly say what will happen if you do it, but you know not to. When any gang of people, are in front of you they don't have to actually threaten you verbally for you to know it is a threat. Would you have had the balls to stand up to 13 men to say yes you will stone some woman to death and dare them to do something about it? I doubt you would have the balls or they would even need to vocalize the threat.
With that said, we are obviously not told every detail of what happened. Just the important details. For me I make no assumptions other than what common sense would tell me, which is 13 vs 1 scenarios are very scary.
With you, you just are assuming that nothing took place which wasn't directly written about, which is a retarded stance to take and not something anybody with a 3 digit IQ would assume
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@fauxlaw
As I said, the Law of Moses was fulfilled and replaced by a higher law.
Here is the problem with you saying he replace ed the laws.
Here is what Jesus says.
Don’t misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not even the smallest detail of God’s law will disappear until its purpose is achieved. So if you ignore the least commandment and teach others to do the same, you will be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven. But anyone who obeys God’s laws and teaches them will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven. But I warn you—unless your righteousness is better than the righteousness of the teachers of religious law and the Pharisees, you will never enter the Kingdom of Heaven!” — MATTHEW 5:17-20
Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. Matthew 5:
That's a higher law, isn't it?
No it is not a higher law. It is his interpretation of the best way to apply the law. Which is to look at the spirit the law was written in and not merely the words. The rest of the evidence of bigher laws that supposedly replaced mosaic laws are in fact also him merely sayi g that the spirit of the law is what matters.
It seems that not only are works necessary for salvation, but better yet, exaltation [did you know there is a difference?], but we are saved by faith, by the grace of God, and by works. Not by any one, but all three.
That's dumb, because as you already pointed out. JESUS SAID YOU MUST BE MORE righteous than the pharisees if God was judging by works, and since pharisees applied the word of the law perfectly than being more righteous is impossible.
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@Stephen
You keep trying to hash this out in a thread where you can escape actually having to admit I defeated you with logic. If you are scared to debate because you know I would crush you with facts, just admit you are either wrong or a pussy.
Start by supporting this wild claim of yours>> #31
I did I pointed out 1 corinthians 15. And gave several premises for why it should be accepted as fact. This is why you are scared of a formal debate with me. You ignore my premises, meaning my arguments would stand and you would be declared a loser
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@Nemiroff
Changing the order of your sentences does not change the meaning.
And it is never socially acceptable to promote depopulation, therefore he never admits it?!?
He actually openly admits to supporting depopulation. The goal of depopulation is not inherently unethical. It wouldn't matter if it was though. The point is he finds it ethical to promote depopulation strategies, and openly admits to the more socially acceptable ways to pursue those goals.
Why do you think Bill Gates is lying when he says he believes the world is overpopulated and that we should do something about it?
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@skittlez09
It doesn't matter. He was probably too stubborn to claim
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@skittlez09
Can you hammer user if he doesn't claim soon, or even now if you feel like it. Who cares
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@Vader
We don't want user to replace in. He is not voting which is against his wincon if he is town. Not claiming is against his wincon if he is scum
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@Speedrace
We have some control over the game. If he allows that sort of replacement we can just quit. I honestly think supa can just replace in whoever the NK was anyway, no need to replace in the lynch.
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Under is not even voting so he is more of a town liability than mharman right now. If he does not full claim we just lynch him and replace mharman no big deal and tomorrow is LYLO
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@Mharman
As rarely as you are on, I need you to put a placeholder vote on user
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2 pm eastern I will be on to lynch you. And whoever is NKed can just replace mharman if he doesn't participate in the lynch
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@User_2006
You have 3 hours to give me your role and every action you have taken with it.
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@User_2006
All I ha e to do is say the word and you will get lynched. Full claim please
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@Nemiroff
No I don't think all attempts to help with family planning are about depopulation, however in the case of Bill gates they are not an ends, but a means to an ends. The ends he is after is depopulation and he has spent billions doing this and openly admits it is his objective.
Your logic is shit honestly. You assume that Bill Gates would not take ugly means to achieve an objective, merely because he makes the less ugly means he pursues public knowledge. I assure you when I pursue a goal and mention the pretty means, it does not mean I am also not usually ugly means,it just means I don't brag about them
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@Stephen
So? I don't believe that anyone seen a man once said to have been dead for three days, alive again. You cannot prove anything at all. You don'y understand the meanings of these verses or these scriptures at all. You are not even novice.
I don't? Other than 1 corinthians 15 clearly states a crowd of at least 500 people witnessed him?
Your rebuttal is "you don't understand this"
How about this. Go to the debate portion of this site and challenge me in a debate. I bet you. won't, because you honestly can't win and you are such an intellectual midget you have to stick to the forums so you can stick with your self delusion that you are somehow not a brainlet
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@Stephen
Are you brain dead? Luke 22:49-51 shows that his disciples 12 and their tag alongs carried swords. Let's just imagine though they aren't armed. He is still walking around with atleast 12 rough mother fuckers but even if they were soft it is scary to face 12 dudes, and he drew a crowd. So probably half the people watching the stoning in addition to his 12 disciples and their hang arounds. . If you walked outside and saw a gang of 12 men telling you not to do something, unless you have a gun on you, you are probably going to bow to their wishes at the moment. This is without even acknowledging the weapons, popular support in random passer bys and near by crowds and even counting the hang arounds.
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@Stephen
500 of the witnesses are mentioned in 1 Corinthians 15. Had it been bullshit, with the gospel written within the lifetime of those who would have knowledge of whether the event took place, Paul would have been called out. Let's not forget that these disciples so strongly believed in what they saw, that they willingly accepted execution, rather than admit to making up stuff, these young men chose to die for their beliefs. It makes no sense for them to keep up the ruse if it is based on obvious bullshit
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@fauxlaw
You maybe want to rethink that based on your own quoted verse? Who does not enter tyhe Kinghdom of Heaven? Evil people, that's who.
This is just false. A lot of good people will end up in hell, while evil people can gain passage to heavan. You are not saved through your works. Jeffrey dahmer supposedly found God in prison. It is possible he is sitting I heavan right now, while somebody as good as Ghandi is residing in hell from his disbelief.
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@fauxlaw
The sentence right after you say "to fulfill the law, you add "that is to replace it". He hasn't replaced the law. The 10 commandments are still valid, you still should not be eating pork, as delicious as that is etc. Now ceremonial law is quite different, so I won't be getting into that, but if you install Temple OS in your co.puter you can still make sacrifices to God and be fine.
The statement by Jesus was not meant to call the pharisees evil either. It was a statement that supports the fact that we can not get to heaven through acts alone. The pharisees were masters at keeping to the law, and Jesus said these people who are so well versed in the law are not worthy of heaven. A statement that is true for all of us. We all fall short of the glory of God, but he allows us I to heavan because of his mercy. It wasn't meant to disparage the pharisees. It was meant to teach his disciples a core truth about christianity
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Actually in that scenario I would have to vote user out even if it meant town loses, because he would fail to vote until time expired anyway
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Warren does deserve a bit of town cred here anyway, enough to atleast spare him one more day. It would be tough for me to choose between him or user to lynch next dp though. User has been fluffing like crazy and scared to claim
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@Speedrace
No I am paranoid. Mharman is the smart play here. User needs to be under a cloud of suspicion until he full claims though.
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I think if we can figure out why I am alive it would be helpful. I think the best reason is that there is a godfather. The game would be very unbalanced without one
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@Speedrace
I don't know. Paranoid dmtown kicking in. User refusing to claim is bothering me. Vibes from warren are bothering me and cookie being on oro s nuts yesterday is bothering me.
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This means we need full claims from user and mharman
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unvote
That means next dp is lylo
I lean towards warren as scum now.
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I really think cookie is town. Rereading his posts. The remaining scum is probably active and has a mind of their own so mharman is likely town. User seemed like he was going to refuse last dp even after votes started piling on him fast. Part of me thinks that may have to do with him struggling to be able to find a fake claim, but we can likely tentatively put him in the town pile.
If .Mharman becomes active we might be able to win the game by lynching speed first and if he flips town just using the next lynch to vote out warren.
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@Mharman
Right now we kinda need you to full claim. It is the least you can do if you are going to be on a hiatus from the game. Last dp did go by kinda quick and this one just started so I know there is a chance you will participate, but we really need your full claim and thoughts so far
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@Speedrace
I think we are going to need a full claim from you, before we can look I to any other suspects
VTL Speed
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Yeah, I think scum is between warren and speed. I think a full claim from speed will sort this out, I am also okay withholding judgement lynching mharman and then no lynching
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@warren42
I think we define PR the same. The logic of keeping me alive as basically the only confirmed town is bothering me.
I think either you or speed could make that call. If the others are scum they are just going to follow oromagi's lead.
Just based on the NK, if oro does not make that call it means cookie mharman and user are town.
It leaves you and speed as the last remaining portion of the scum pool.
Lynching one of you two could win us the game now. Unless my logic is wrong and oro could make that call.
The thing that make's speed feel like town to me is his comment towards oro last DP. He said "if you were town you would have self voted" . . I don't know why that feels towny but it does.
The thing that makes me suspect you as well, is you asked me to investigate you. It provides scum plenty of incentive to keep me alive, if you were scum to confirm you as town before NKing me after I served my purpose.
Anyway, getting g a full claim from speed when he pops on tomorr6will make things easier to figure out, and I still think just for safety reasons we lynch mharman
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I also think asking g everyone to full claim here is fine with the general lack of experience making their roles useless anyway
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@warren42
I think lynching mharman is the move this dp, but I am open to your plan
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@fauxlaw
Jesus did not replace the laws of moses. If that were the case he would not be the messiah. You are spreading false information.
Also the pharisees were not evil. That is an ignorant thing to say. The following verse illustrates why fauxlaw is wrong
Don’t misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not even the smallest detail of God’s law will disappear until its purpose is achieved. So if you ignore the least commandment and teach others to do the same, you will be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven. But anyone who obeys God’s laws and teaches them will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven. But I warn you—unless your righteousness is better than the righteousness of the teachers of religious law and the Pharisees, you will never enter the Kingdom of Heaven!” — MATTHEW 5:17-20
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@warren42
What do you make of his last post? I can tell you what i make of it. I clearly cannot play mafia for a while again. I can 't tolerate such, and there is no kind word for this. Stupidity.
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@User_2006
am not certain that Warren or Oro is guilty. I just feel like Warren is guilty.
Well, oro actually flipped guilty. There is also the problem of we need to vote to win. We will lose if we are waiting on certainty. This game is about an uninformed majority vs an informed minority, so the only people with certainty in the game are scum aligned
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@Nemiroff
We have established no mention of depopulation,
Him admitting it openly for the last decade not count? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llAG5V7x17A&list=PL29C61B31B4AAB396
forget motive. We established a public perception of good will, education, and increasing quality of life.
His motive is to depopulate Earth and he openly admits it when using socially acceptable means to do so. He is probably following the plan outlined on the Georgia guidestones. https://www.wired.com/2009/04/ff-guidestones/
Are you under the impression that nobody ever uses ugly means to achieve an objective?
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@User_2006
If you are betting on warren why is your vote not on him?
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@User_2006
I was kinda surprised you didn't vote to lynch oro. Why did you refuse to vote him? Who are you voting to lynch today what is your biggest scum read and why?
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@User_2006
You know what I mean focus. Why are you not voting to lynch people? Who is your top town read and top scum read?
Town can not kill at night, so it shouldn't be surprised an easy mislynch option is still alive
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@Nemiroff
Obviously he is only going to publicly acknowledge and advertise the tactics viewed as ethical.
The point is we have established a motive. The motive is depopulation. If depopulation is good for society, why should he limit himself to perceived ethical ways to achieve that aim?
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@Nemiroff
I said he contributes a lot with the intention to depopulate(reduce the population) of the Earth.
I never made any statements on whether that was ethical or not or even whether there is an ethical way to accomplish that. I just have not taken a position on the ethics of his actions.
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@User_2006
What were you insinuating with post #5?
Why did you seemed surprised that scum did not kill you?
Why were you not on the scum wagon last dp?
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I do have a scum read I will share in a moment, but I honestly think it can wait until the final dp to act on. Also I advise the remaining players who are kinda new to this, to use your own reasoning skills and to be confident in your reasoning. So that way any scum that is a good talker does not lead you astray
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We likely have one scum left. They are probably a godfather and my role is useless now. I think we start with mharman, so we can either have eliminated an under the radar scum or eliminate useless town. This means we will have a 100% active remaining player pool next dp.
Next dp, we can VTNL that way we have a lower scum pool and less chances of error.
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I dont know that I trust my results at the moment but user2006 was innocent.
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@CaptainSceptic
Okay I will read later. I pretty much agree you shouldn't have to write and RFD but you should do your best to remove your own bias, and that points should be weighted based on the length of an RFd. While length of an RFD is an imperfect measure of the analysis put into a debate and the accuracy of it, I think this serves as a balance of encouraging voting while weighting more thoughtful votes more heavily
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