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@gugigor
Before I disappear again, I would like to note that, as the editor of the DART Bard, I endorse 9sk News as an upstanding and reliable news outlet.
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Sorry all, but I need to /out. I'll be out of quarantine shortly, and I won't have the time to play. It was fun to be back with you all while it lasted.
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Yes to 1, 3, and 4. Neutral on 2.
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@MisterChris
That's an excellent song with an inspiring story. Thanks for recommending it!
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@MisterChris
I might have to. I usually listen to Christian metal, but I don't have any issues with history metal.
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@MisterChris
Finished the song. I'd heard of Sabaton before, but hadn't listened to any of their songs. History and power metal make an epic combination.
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@Vader
@Discipulus_Didicit
@Trent0405
A resounding victory for Tom Brady. I now take you to a live audience of all the people surprised by this.
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@MisterChris
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@MisterChris
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@Mopac
Ok. That's cool. What languages do they sing in?
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@Mopac
Do they do any singing at the monastery you're at? Do they have a choir?
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@fauxlaw
All the universe. The language used in the passage makes that quite clear. There's no coherent way to wrangle "There is no god beside me" into "There is no god beside me, and please don't look at that planet over there that has a god beside me."
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@Theweakeredge
Overall, I think the mods here do a good job, though they aren't perfect.
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@Theweakeredge
I don't know if he would still say this, but RM used to say that he should be on the moderation team.
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@Theweakeredge
That's good. I must confess that I don't know a lot about the brain or brain injuries.
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@Theweakeredge
Funnily enough, I actually do have damage, well severe underdevelopment to my frontal lobe, I almost died as a child, and I had to stay in the hospital and then lots of therapy in my formative years.
I'm very sorry to here that. It doesn't seem to affect you much now, at least from what I can see. You seem pretty intelligent.
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@FLRW
You have to look at the logic of his comment, it has nothing to do with his credentials.
And why should I trust the logic of his comment? Why should I trust that he accurately represented the book? Why should I trust that he has any idea what he's talking about? There are over 400 reviews for the book on Amazon with an average of 4.4 stars. Why would I trust his review and not the majority of reviews, many of whom presented reasons that would contradict Mezger's comment?
Simply put, the fact that you plucked a random review from Amazon and quoted it as though it had actual authority shows that you are simply looking for things that support your views. Why didn't you pick one of the reviews that thought the book was good? If you are going to present the opinions of random people and pretend that they have some kind of authority, go right ahead, but don't expect me to take it seriously in any way.
mythicism is the scholarly opinion that the gospels are mythological expansions of historical data quotations and the habitual practice of attributing everything to mythological causes; superstition, the opposite of rationalism, or of realism quotations
I am aware of what it is. I am also aware that it has next to no support from actual scholars.
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@fauxlaw
"Ye shall be as gods [note that is plural], knowing good and evil."
The only major translation I can find that has it as plural is the KJV, which, while iconic, is not the most accurate. All the others I looked at have it singular. According to the footnotes for one of the translations, it can go either way. Since it's not completely certain how it translates into English, it would be wise to resist the temptation to try to push an agenda based on it.
Was it, in fact, a lie?
Yes and no. No, in that Satan was factually correct that they would know good and evil. Yes, in that, rather than becoming like God, they were instead separated from Him.
That is complete knowledge gods have, and man can have, growing from line upon line of understanding, becoming gods in the process. It's a long, long line, but it's worth. the journey.
That is an assertion, and the burden of proof is on you. But let's examine it according to Scripture.
As man is, God once was.
Psalm 90:2 (ESV)
"Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever you had formed the earth and the world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God."
There was never a time when God was not God. He is God, from everlasting to everlasting. Furthermore, God is not progressing.
Malachi 3:6
"For I the Lord do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed."
God is not a man that He needs to improve. He is the Alpha and Omega, I Am Who I Am.
As God is, man may become.
Isaiah 44:6-8 (ESV)
"Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel
and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts:
'I am the first and I am the last;
besides me there is no god.
Who is like me? Let him proclaim it
Let him declare and set it before me,
since I appointed an ancient people.
Let them declare what is to come, and what will happen.
Fear not, nor be afraid;
have I not told you from of old and declared it?
And you are my witnesses!
Is there a God besides me?
There is no Rock; I know not any.'"
There is only one God. Beside Him there is no other. What, then, is the purpose of serving God? As you've said yourself, let's not ask the plumber. Let's ask God. After all, He did send us a book filled with His Word.
1 Peter 1:3-9 (ESV)
"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for you, who by God's power are being guarded through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. In this you rejoice, though now for a little while, if necessary, you have been grieved by various trials, so that the tested genuineness of your faith—more precious than gold that perishes though it is tested by fire—may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ. Though you have not seen him, you love him. Though you do not now see him, you believe in him and rejoice with joy that is inexpressible and filled with glory, obtaining the outcome of your faith, the salvation of your souls."
God does not promise us that we will become gods. He promises us the salvation of our souls. He promises us an inheritance an heaven. This is the message of the gospel.
You told me to ask God, so I did. I read His Word, and this is the answer. No, we will not become gods. There is only one God. He offers us salvation and an imperishable inheritance. We can't gain it by working or by any merits of our own. "According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again" It is only by God's mercy that we can be saved. We can't gain it from "line upon line of understanding." We can't gain it from personal responsibility or being wise. As a message, the gospel is humbling. We are inherently sinful. We cannot save ourselves by our efforts. Only God can save us. He can wash away our sins, but it is never because of who we are, but only because of Who He is and what He has done. It is all for His glory.
Sorry if I bored you with my preaching. I've noticed that whenever I start diving into Scripture to prove a theological point, I almost inevitably end by preaching. When I once again read God's word and see the beauty of His salvation, I sometimes can't help but try to share it.
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@fauxlaw
No, I know perfectly well who said it. "You will be like God" was a lie told by the devil. Not just any lie, but the lie that convinced Adam and Eve to sin, bringing sin into the world.
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I'd just like to point out that, when someone in the Bible promised "You will be like God," it wasn't God who said it.
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@FLRW
Woah, hold on a second here. I looked up S. Mezger, and he's just a random dude who reviewed the book on Amazon. Worse, so far as I can tell, the name S. Mezger doesn't belong to anyone even remotely notable. You just quoted some random yokel like he was an actual authority. What are you playing at, dude?
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@FLRW
Since the scholars in relevant fields agree almost unanimously with Ehrman, I think I'll take Ehrman over Mezger. The debate over Jesus' existence exists almost solely at the popular level. It is barely disputed at the scholarly level.
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@Theweakeredge
May I recommend that you read Bart Ehrman's book Did Jesus Exist? Ehrman is an agnostic New Testament scholar who is a strong critic of Christianity. The book itself is an examination of the historical evidence about Jesus' existence. You may find it interesting.
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@fauxlaw
Being personally responsible and wise is all well and good, but we are still limited by logic. No matter what we do, 2 + 2 will never be 5. Ad hominems will never become valid arguments. The burden of proof cannot be reversed, even if we pretend otherwise. We are limited by logic. Ignoring that will never end well.
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@fauxlaw
This is little more than an ad hominemA perfect argument of limitation. Well done.
As a matter of fact, we are limited by logic. Not all limitations are invalid.
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@fauxlaw
Don't know what's true? Ask God. You don't ask a plumber to solve the legal issue of your property line, do you? Maybe you do. Ask an expert. God qualifies.
I asked. He said no.
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@fauxlaw
And who said God stopped talking to man with the Bible, retired and went fishing? Who are we to limit to whom and when God speaks?
You're reversing the burden of proof. I don't have to prove that the Book of Mormon isn't Scripture. The burden of proof is on the person who claims that it is.
Argue for your limitations; they're yours.
This is little more than an ad hominem wrapped in a philosophical reference.
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@fauxlaw
We must have an independent descendent of Rachel, but do not have one. Yet.
Also, this is a tacit admission that there is no proof for the Book of Mormon's claims.
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@fauxlaw
I don't recognize the Book of Mormon as Scripture.
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**Probably should add that you won't want to watch this if you have photosensitive epilepsy**
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@Soluminsanis
Just don't tell St. Nick where he is, or things are apt to get violent.
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@Vader
Not really. Calling Italy a major world power is akin to calling North Korea capitalist.
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@Reece101
Yes, you were. By the way, there's an endgame thread as well.
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Yeah, gg. Town came close to winning this one, especially in DP2 right before the oro wagon started.
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@Speedrace
That was partly balanced with a goon, but you are right. 8v3 is slightly scum sided, but you can probably blame me for that since I joined the game at the last minute, requiring Chris to rebalance it for 11 players on short notice.
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@Elminster
Town probably should have been watching for that.
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@ILikePie5
I died first. Well, it was Murphy's law that the WW2 buffs would die first.
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@ILikePie5
You were right about Mexico. Norway or Denmark would have been a better fake claim.
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@ILikePie5
It was a calculated risk. It was clearly the best play for town, so we gambled that it was more likely we'd look towny by supporting it early than that one of us would be CC'ed. We lost the gamble, but it probably would have worked 80% of the time.
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@ILikePie5
We were saving that claim for Intel/Mikal because we thought it would fit better as vanilla, since Mikal was a goon. Also, that would have just passed the buck for the fake claim. It may still have been a better idea, but I really didn't think Greece would be out there. I was expecting Australia or one of the Low Countries instead.
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Well, if I'm ever in a tight jam as scum, I want Mikal and Lunatic as my partners. Outstanding effort, guys.
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@Speedrace
You were spot on this game. Had you not been so obviously death tunneling, you might have won. Tough luck, but good job regardless.
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@fauxlaw
While the Democratic Party is getting increasingly progressive, I think you underestimate how many liberals are left in it.
That Biden is attempting to be all things to all Dems will end by his appeasing no one.
Probably not completely, but I think all he has to do to appease them at least partially is to not be Trump.
At least Trump was openly critical to those in the party who opposed him.
Since his criticism was solely in the form of childish insults, that's not an advantage.
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@oromagi
Sadly, the Republican party has become the party of Trump. From a certain point of view, Cheney, McCain, and Romney are (or were in McCain's case) RINOs because they are genuinely conservative, and the Republican party is not.
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