Ok thanks for trying to answer my questions the best you can. I may not be satisfied but I appreciate you tried and gave me the time to look into this case .
I’m sorry for my harsh tone I was just upset and confused
I’m sorry that I didn’t act my best in front of you, I hope you can still forgive me and pray for me
Thanks for you time and I’m sorry these posts have been so long
I hope you have a good day my friend and thank you for everything thanks I’ll talk to you later InshAllah thanks
Have Barney removed as moderator or I’ll instruct everyone on YouTube and all of social media to boycott this website and I’ll have it removed from the internet . A website that promotes lying and cheating and dishonesty shouldn’t even exist
You are a terrible moderator! You should be fired from your position since you are a cheater and a liar and abuse your powers as moderator and are super biased and have an agenda and only want your own buddies to win even when they lose! Shame on you I’m going to report your entire profile! You are an insult to the truth and knowledge itself shame on you liar
Aye man your a cheater? How dare you report tiger lord just because he voted for me fair and square? Why do you report a vote just because you disagree with the position as a bias! You are a cheater shame on you
Thanks brother Tigerlord, and this brother tiger lord gave a fair vote, yet these Christians are crying they lost? Con didn’t prove anything against Islam but was appealing to emotion and crying the whole debate that he for whatever personal reasons doesn’t like Islam.
He never addressed why Yahweh wants innocent women children babies and animals dead. Evey time I ask con disappears
For the first time a fair vote has been done on this site and you want to cry and report it.
I think that is cowardly of you islamaphobe missionaries that you can’t accept defeat even though you lose all the time?
I still pray Allah swat guides you to Islam only He can open your eyes and hearts inshallah ameen
It’s ok, no problem, mistakes happen, we are all humans, thanks I appreciate your honesty. Thank you for being honest and sincere. I’m sorry that I misunderstood too, and sorry I had a harsh tone, may you have a good day and be blessed always. Your honesty will take you very far and good in life thanks
Again dear voter, my opponent did not address any of my arguments.
He keeps insisting Islam was plagiarized and stole from bible
Prophet saw couldn’t read or write in Arabic let alone Greek and Hebrew how can he copy something he couldn’t read?
And there is no evidence he orally learned it from Christians and Jews. Which Christian and which Jew taught him the Bible orally and how did he copy only the correct statements and not the errors? And most of the people in Arabia were pagans so why would they tell him bible?
Prophet saw had no teacher no education and was an orphan so he had no one to teach him other than God.
Con never addressed any of these points
I argued that the author of both Bible and Quran was God himself. That explains the similarities. Con never addressed this point. It seems con didn’t read my arguments but instead is copying an islamaphobe script.
If the God the author of both books, it answers con’s allegation. Why doesn’t con even address this point let alone debunk it.
Con also never proves his three faced Yahweh who makes. No sense isn’t mentioned in Bible by Jesus or anyone and isn’t even mentioned in the doctrines and creeds of trinity and is heretical partialism.
Con keeps insisting Islam is violent but never addressed the point how violent Yahweh is.
Con didn’t address any of my points. Please don’t vote for him just because you are Christian and you agree with his views as a bias.
He performed poorly in the debate and half fast debated me and didn’t address a single point I made. I addressed all his points and debunked them. He just kept repeating the same points over and over again in every round even though they were debunked in the first round.
He also made points that were totally irrelevant to the debate.
He didn’t prove his Yahweh and dindn’t debunk my God Allah.
And my God exists by default. He is the creator of the universe and he authored both bible and Quran while con believes in a three faced tyrant.
Con didn’t address my points and didn’t debate me but just copied and pasted from some islaphobic script all three rounds without even reading my points.
He says in his disclaimer he doesn’t intend to offend Muslims
He offended me! He keeps accusing Islam for being violent without proof and without consistency and doesn’t ever address the fact I debunked his racist plane.
Please don’t be fooled by him or vote for him he is a liar and he lost fair and square.
Don’t rig or vote unfairly or biased.
Admit I won and he lost InshAllah that is fair Ameen
One question I am wondering about is, that Paul and the disciples seem to agree on the gospels and various topics
They initially disagreed on whether gentiles needed to follow the law and be circumcised but they talked it out and agreed the Bible says,
And Paul says he met Peter and James , these are Jesus top disciples and James is his brother who initially didn’t believe till he met his resurrected brother they say.
This is a good point if Paul was a false prophet as some argue why did the disciples and Jesus earliest followers accept him?
My theory is that maybe the disciples and early Christians could get gentile support for their new movement through Paul?
And Jesus disciples were a little gullible cowardly and not well trained.
Judas betrayed Jesus
And Peter denied knowing Jesus 3 times and they all ran away when the crucifixion supposedly happened?
So I don’t think they are that trustworthy and could have been easily fooled? I don’t know?
Now one thing I am thinking is the Quran seems to deny the crucifixion in one verse, but the verse isn’t clear. The Quran doesn’t make a historical claim or provide any details or any narrative on the crucifixion scene, and the verse isn’t clear very vague and unclear.
But Muslims and Christians can agree on the ascension and second coming of Jesus as well as his virgin birth and mighty miracles
Also if we are the sinners why should Jesus be punished?
If I am hungry should Jesus eat my food? Would that make me less hungry?
If person a commits a crime should person b be punished?
This makes no sense and is unjust
All sins are between us and God can forgive any sin as long as we sincerely repent
If however someone else is involved such as I rob someone, I have to give their money back and apologize to them too in order to sincerely repent of such a sin
Likewise if someone commits murder he should receive capital punishment unless he apologizes to the victims family and they think he is sincere and actually forgive him the according to Muslim law he can give them blood money if they except it
Yes we believe that too we believe Jesus peace be upon him is alive in the heavens and will return to earth in his second coming
We Muslims we believe in Jesus
We just don’t believe he is the son of God literally because a. That doesn’t make sense. B. No one believes he biologically begotten by God as animals and humans are by reproduction, not even Christians believe this
We can believe he was metaphorically the son of God as in a godly person
The doctrine of trinity teaches The father is God the son is God and the Holy Ghost is God but they are three distinct persons so the father isn’t the son or vice versa
And according to the nicean creed the son is begotten not made and is the same substance as the father
All this makes no sense and Jesus never claimed any of this either Jesus never even said he is god
The Bible has been changed also
The originals are lost and all the copies were hand copies since there was no printing press then and a lot of errors and mistakes and deliberate changes were made by scribes
Also Jesus spoke Aramaic but the earliest gospels are found in Greek
So the verse that hint Jesus was god could be fabricated since we don’t know exactly how much the Bible was tampered with
Also we don’t Believe he died for our sins because it’s unjust to punish an innocent person instead of a guilty person
No Judaism worships the same tyrant god who wants us to kill women children babies and animals and also the same god who fell asleep after he created the world
And also the Jewish scriptures say a prophet like Moses will come as well as a messiah,
We accept Jesus as messiah and Muhammad saw as the prophet like Moses and the last prophet saw
Yeah moving forward I might do that
Thanks for the advice it helps thanks
Yeah I agree these guys are biased against Islam this whole website is a joke.
We shouldn’t waste time with these cheaters
They might as well stay here and debate themselves who is the best cheater and liar
Why didn’t con respond to my point that the same God authored the Bible and Quran?
And why don’t you?
Care to explain that was central to the topic and why I should win
Why isn’t Barney’s vote reportable I think it strawmaned my position and is again unfair
I think con didn’t engage in the debate
And Barney is just helping him cheat
Con didn’t point out that’s the case, he didn’t address any of my points
You straw maned my argument by saying the 7th century came before the 3rd century I never claimed this
I claimed that the author of the bible and the Quran is the same God hence the similarities
The Bible has been changed and corrupted since it was never intended by God to be eternal or for all human beings
Neither you nor con addressed this point.
I’m sorry to say but I think you’re voting biasedly
I’m going to report your vote because it’s again unfair because con didn’t debate me but had a monolog with himself.
It’s ok brother I respect your time
Yeah I can see that this sort of thing with Barney wastes a lot of time
I’ve gotten over it too because it is exactly a waste of time.
InshAllah may your debate go well and best of luck inshallah
Yeah we should all be adults here and not waste time with whatever Barney talks about
Ok thanks for trying to answer my questions the best you can. I may not be satisfied but I appreciate you tried and gave me the time to look into this case .
I’m sorry for my harsh tone I was just upset and confused
I’m sorry that I didn’t act my best in front of you, I hope you can still forgive me and pray for me
Thanks for you time and I’m sorry these posts have been so long
I hope you have a good day my friend and thank you for everything thanks I’ll talk to you later InshAllah thanks
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AdaptableRatman
06.04.2025 11:55AM
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@Barney
Ty for voting but it may get reported.
Ty for modding too.
Look at this post they are in cahoots
You are working for con I read your post it makes no sense
Read con’s arguments they were all irrelevant and had nothing to do with the debate
How can Tiger lord evaluate them if they were irrelevant
That’s all Tiger lord said, that con’s arguments are irrelevant and baseless
This is fact
I noticed it from the beginning
I noticed also con only posted them exactly the last minute right before he had to forfeit in every single round
He was always talking about things that are totally irrelevant
He asked me after this debate when I pointed this out before tiger lords vote that all his arguments were irrelevant
He then asked me why Islam condemns art
That had nothing to do with the debate Allah vs Yahweh
Con wants to talk about Islamic history and Islamic fatwahs and even attack Islam
But these arguments were irrelevant to Allah vs Yahweh Con wants
Con just posted Mumbo jumbo at the last minute of his debate time and none of it was on topic
He just did that to confuse gullible moderators like you
And I’m surprised his cheating strategy is working?
Con did exactly that
Tiger lord reason were correct
Con didn’t engage in this debate at all
He ignored all my points and it looks like he barely read them
And posted irrelevant material that had nothing to do with debate
He insulted our prophet saw he insulted my religion and called me and all Muslims terrorists without any evidence
I rebutted his point by proving what Yahweh did in the Old Testament by ordering the genocide of women children babies and animals
Con never addressed my rebuttal but posted the same debunked argument in the next round and all rounds
Con argued Islam plagerized the Bible
I debunked his arguments by proving the prophet saw couldn’t read the Bible and that the same God Allah authored bible and Quran
Con never addressed this point even though it was crucial to the debate
Tiger lord was right all con’s points were irrelevant and had no evidence and furthermore if my add were offensive and racist and bigoted
You have the evidence in front of you
If con wins this debate he wins by cheating
I will not tolerate that and you shouldn’t either if you are a fair moderator
If he does win I will block him and his team and find real debators and I will warn everyone about con and warn people not to debate this cheating rat
No tiger lord was right
All of con’s points were irrelevant to the debate
Anyone who can read the debate can see that
Con went on completely different tangents
What does the marriage of Aisha ra have to do with Allah vs Yahweh
His vote shouldn’t be removed because his observations were correct
You guys are cheating
And ignoring the fact con didn’t engage in this debate
Yet you vote for him
I reported Barney vote
Why didn’t you remove it
The dude is talking about starwars
Starwars has nothing to do with the debate
Remove Barney vote then to make it fair
Also I repeatedly debunked cons argument that Islam plagerized the Bible
Con doesn’t even address my rebuttal or any of my rebuttals
Why vote for him
Tiger lord was right
The voting standards show I won
Con just copied and pasted the same thing all three rounds and didn’t even debate
Tell me why is it illegal to vote for me?
Why? Just because he voted for me? So anyone who votes for me should be reported?
I answered all of con’s points he answered none of mine.
You guys are cheating your votes should be removed.
You are biasly making con win.
That’s not fair that no one can vote for me even though I’m winning
I am boycotting your site then
Tiger lord voted fairly, Barney removed his vote unfairly he abused his power as moderator
Con and Barney are cheating bring back tiger lords vote
Bring back tiger lords vote Barney and adaptable rat are cheating
Have Barney removed as moderator or I’ll instruct everyone on YouTube and all of social media to boycott this website and I’ll have it removed from the internet . A website that promotes lying and cheating and dishonesty shouldn’t even exist
I’ll have you removed as moderator or I’ll have this entire site taken down if you don’t stop cheating!
You only win 100% debates by cheating! You are 100% cheater
You are a terrible moderator! You should be fired from your position since you are a cheater and a liar and abuse your powers as moderator and are super biased and have an agenda and only want your own buddies to win even when they lose! Shame on you I’m going to report your entire profile! You are an insult to the truth and knowledge itself shame on you liar
I proved this in my debate
Con didn’t debunk let alone address my points
You and con are cheaters and liars and bigots
Allah is the first abrahamic religion
Abraham as worshipped only one God ie Allah swat
He wasn’t a Jew or Christian.
He submitted to the will of God
That is the very definition of Islam and Muslim
I debunked all of con’s points con didn’t prove any not even address my points
Tigerlord voted fair.
You are cheating and voting biased you are a liar and cheater and fraud.
May god have mercy on your already erroted soul.
Ps
Star Wars was not the topi of the debate.
Starwars had nothing to do with this debate, you are a liar and cheater Barney!
Con didn’t prove any plagerism I debunked his whole argument!
Aye man your a cheater? How dare you report tiger lord just because he voted for me fair and square? Why do you report a vote just because you disagree with the position as a bias! You are a cheater shame on you
Thanks brother Tigerlord, and this brother tiger lord gave a fair vote, yet these Christians are crying they lost? Con didn’t prove anything against Islam but was appealing to emotion and crying the whole debate that he for whatever personal reasons doesn’t like Islam.
He never addressed why Yahweh wants innocent women children babies and animals dead. Evey time I ask con disappears
For the first time a fair vote has been done on this site and you want to cry and report it.
I think that is cowardly of you islamaphobe missionaries that you can’t accept defeat even though you lose all the time?
I still pray Allah swat guides you to Islam only He can open your eyes and hearts inshallah ameen
It’s ok, no problem, mistakes happen, we are all humans, thanks I appreciate your honesty. Thank you for being honest and sincere. I’m sorry that I misunderstood too, and sorry I had a harsh tone, may you have a good day and be blessed always. Your honesty will take you very far and good in life thanks
What is your definition of slave?
And you never answered why Yahweh ordered the genocide of women children babies and animals.
Tell me if he is not a tyrant, why would he command this hitlerism?
How can it be a tie if he forfeited? Vote again for me or don’t vote
You could have used that argument in the debate but you didn’t
Again none of these were the debate topic.
Islamic history wasn’t the debate topic
The ruling on art wasn’t the topic either.
Our debate was Allah vs Yahweh
You didn’t prove your three faced Yahweh and didn’t debunk the existence of Allah.
And your whole argument that Islam was copied from the Bible was destroyed by me several times by my argument that Allah authored the Bible and Quran
You never addressed my point but repeated your already debunked point.
You keep saying Islam is violent but never addressed the point how violent you Yahweh monster tyrant is.
You did not address the arguments on topic for this debate and went totally off topic.
I know cheating happens a lot on this site and I won’t let you cheat this debate because you lost by all standards and the voting should be fair.
You didn’t address any of my points bro you didn’t debate me and you offended me by lying about my religion by claiming it’s evil and violent
Again dear voter, my opponent did not address any of my arguments.
He keeps insisting Islam was plagiarized and stole from bible
Prophet saw couldn’t read or write in Arabic let alone Greek and Hebrew how can he copy something he couldn’t read?
And there is no evidence he orally learned it from Christians and Jews. Which Christian and which Jew taught him the Bible orally and how did he copy only the correct statements and not the errors? And most of the people in Arabia were pagans so why would they tell him bible?
Prophet saw had no teacher no education and was an orphan so he had no one to teach him other than God.
Con never addressed any of these points
I argued that the author of both Bible and Quran was God himself. That explains the similarities. Con never addressed this point. It seems con didn’t read my arguments but instead is copying an islamaphobe script.
If the God the author of both books, it answers con’s allegation. Why doesn’t con even address this point let alone debunk it.
Con also never proves his three faced Yahweh who makes. No sense isn’t mentioned in Bible by Jesus or anyone and isn’t even mentioned in the doctrines and creeds of trinity and is heretical partialism.
Con keeps insisting Islam is violent but never addressed the point how violent Yahweh is.
Con didn’t address any of my points. Please don’t vote for him just because you are Christian and you agree with his views as a bias.
He performed poorly in the debate and half fast debated me and didn’t address a single point I made. I addressed all his points and debunked them. He just kept repeating the same points over and over again in every round even though they were debunked in the first round.
He also made points that were totally irrelevant to the debate.
He didn’t prove his Yahweh and dindn’t debunk my God Allah.
And my God exists by default. He is the creator of the universe and he authored both bible and Quran while con believes in a three faced tyrant.
Con didn’t address my points and didn’t debate me but just copied and pasted from some islaphobic script all three rounds without even reading my points.
He says in his disclaimer he doesn’t intend to offend Muslims
He offended me! He keeps accusing Islam for being violent without proof and without consistency and doesn’t ever address the fact I debunked his racist plane.
Please don’t be fooled by him or vote for him he is a liar and he lost fair and square.
Don’t rig or vote unfairly or biased.
Admit I won and he lost InshAllah that is fair Ameen
And Paul does seem to contradict the entire rest of the Bible
And the Bible says don’t have any other gods before me
And not to worship any image or any creature
And it also says God isn’t a man or son of man
So I don’t know how you can associate Jesus with God especially when he even never claimed such a thing?
I think as Christianity spread to the gentiles such ideas were promoted to convince them since they were already pagans
Jews to this day don’t have a trinity and have a theology closer to Islam
Since Jews are still waiting for a messiah and a new prophet I would prefer Islam since it’s a complete worldview
One question I am wondering about is, that Paul and the disciples seem to agree on the gospels and various topics
They initially disagreed on whether gentiles needed to follow the law and be circumcised but they talked it out and agreed the Bible says,
And Paul says he met Peter and James , these are Jesus top disciples and James is his brother who initially didn’t believe till he met his resurrected brother they say.
This is a good point if Paul was a false prophet as some argue why did the disciples and Jesus earliest followers accept him?
My theory is that maybe the disciples and early Christians could get gentile support for their new movement through Paul?
And Jesus disciples were a little gullible cowardly and not well trained.
Judas betrayed Jesus
And Peter denied knowing Jesus 3 times and they all ran away when the crucifixion supposedly happened?
So I don’t think they are that trustworthy and could have been easily fooled? I don’t know?
What do you think about this?
Now one thing I am thinking is the Quran seems to deny the crucifixion in one verse, but the verse isn’t clear. The Quran doesn’t make a historical claim or provide any details or any narrative on the crucifixion scene, and the verse isn’t clear very vague and unclear.
But Muslims and Christians can agree on the ascension and second coming of Jesus as well as his virgin birth and mighty miracles
Also if we are the sinners why should Jesus be punished?
If I am hungry should Jesus eat my food? Would that make me less hungry?
If person a commits a crime should person b be punished?
This makes no sense and is unjust
All sins are between us and God can forgive any sin as long as we sincerely repent
If however someone else is involved such as I rob someone, I have to give their money back and apologize to them too in order to sincerely repent of such a sin
Likewise if someone commits murder he should receive capital punishment unless he apologizes to the victims family and they think he is sincere and actually forgive him the according to Muslim law he can give them blood money if they except it
Yes we believe that too we believe Jesus peace be upon him is alive in the heavens and will return to earth in his second coming
We Muslims we believe in Jesus
We just don’t believe he is the son of God literally because a. That doesn’t make sense. B. No one believes he biologically begotten by God as animals and humans are by reproduction, not even Christians believe this
We can believe he was metaphorically the son of God as in a godly person
The doctrine of trinity teaches The father is God the son is God and the Holy Ghost is God but they are three distinct persons so the father isn’t the son or vice versa
And according to the nicean creed the son is begotten not made and is the same substance as the father
All this makes no sense and Jesus never claimed any of this either Jesus never even said he is god
The Bible has been changed also
The originals are lost and all the copies were hand copies since there was no printing press then and a lot of errors and mistakes and deliberate changes were made by scribes
Also Jesus spoke Aramaic but the earliest gospels are found in Greek
So the verse that hint Jesus was god could be fabricated since we don’t know exactly how much the Bible was tampered with
Also we don’t Believe he died for our sins because it’s unjust to punish an innocent person instead of a guilty person
Also the Jewish and Christian religion never claim to be complete
But Islam claims to be a complete religion with a final prophet saw
Thanks to the finality of prophethood we know no new prophet will nor any new religion or law
With judaism that’s not the case
A prophet can come anytime and abrogate the entire Jewish law so why follow a religion that can be abrogated anytime?
Also there is no clear evidence of an afterlife in Jewish scriptures
But in Islam there is
So why follow a religion if it gives no reward?
Also the Quran is right Abraham wasn’t a Jew or Christian
Islam means submission to God
And Abraham did that
So submit to God and be Muslim inshallah ameen
No Judaism worships the same tyrant god who wants us to kill women children babies and animals and also the same god who fell asleep after he created the world
And also the Jewish scriptures say a prophet like Moses will come as well as a messiah,
We accept Jesus as messiah and Muhammad saw as the prophet like Moses and the last prophet saw
If your wife cheats on you you get mad
So how dare you anger God by worshipping Jesus alongside him?
There is only one creator
Worshipping the creation is like cheating on God
God cannot forgive this betrayal
So please repent and accept Islam and recite the kalima brothers inshallah
And if I don’t believe in him and doubt his existence for the same reason I doubt Santa Claus, will he still love me when he sends me to hell forever?
Yahweh isn’t real bro 3=1 is impossible
Your Yahweh which is actually satan in disguise uses fear tactics and emotional blackmail to deceive people
If I say 3=1 is impossible as it is why should I burn in hell forever?
And if I committed the sin why is your Yahweh punishing Jesus instead?
If I am hungry should Jesus eat my food will that solve my problem of hunger?
We must believe logic not emotional blackmail trump supporting churches preach
I already disproved you Yahweh so I’m not scared of him or his lies
Are you ready to accept the debate Allah vs Yahweh
JazakAllah Khair