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@TheUnderdog
Republicans believe in pro-gun, pro-life, pro-nuclear family, anti-violence, anti-riots, pro-borders, pro-good economy (high employment, low inflation, no stock market crashes, no recession, low-home prices, etc.) I could keep going but I think you get the point.
The republican party was created to stop slavery, then we also desegregated as well, and when Kennedy and Nixon finally gave blacks rights they were called racists and still are. That is also its ethos.
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"Spoken like a true MAGA MORON” explain how it is moronic.
"Who told the BIG LIE that led to 1/6?” and " But Jan 6, on the other hand, is good enough reason to assassinate Trump.” I’m not for sure the election was rigged, but when the left harvests ballots via early voting, it’s hard to trust them. Also, I don’t care anymore. After what happened yesterday, I don't want to hear about 1/6 anymore. 7/13 was much worse and was actual violence, resulting in murder and attempted murder. 1/6 was a few hundred retards who, despite being the most armed group in America, left their guns at home.
" Trump/Biden is the worst combination we have ever gotten.” I would agree, but only because Biden is on the ticket.
"Your media keeps telling you to kill the people you don't agree with.” Exactly. Don’t call him a fascist nazi hitler and then act surprised when your party that buys those lies tries to kill him. Well, these are the people that think men can be pregnant if they wear a dress and cut their penis off, so I guess logic doesn’t apply for them. Also, let me ask you, do you think it is a coincidence that this just happened to be when A) Biden did not give adequate Secret Service protection for Trump or RFK, going so far as to say “Let’s bullseye Trump” and B) the SCOTUS ruling that the president has immunity. Either way, it doesn’t matter.
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"How can a serious shooter miss a head and hit an ear.” He was an untrained soy boy who was hundreds of feet away.
"Or was the serious shooter, meant to miss the head and hit an ear?” You have to be exquisitely ignorant to think this.
"Whatever...Blame it on G-d. HaHa.” I’m not blaming, I’m giving empirical and anecdotal proof. Maybe this is a new concept for you.
"The Election Circus gets dafter by the minute. The World is watching and laughing.” They are laughing at demented Biden. Putin and Xi prolly shat their pants when they saw Trump survived an AR assassination and even fist pumped the crowd. This is the THIRD failed attempt against Trump, whereas Biden has none. The woke left says MAGA is violent, they should look in the mirror.
Don’t call him a fascist nazi hitler and then act surprised when your party that buys those lies tries to kill him. Well, these are the people that think men can be pregnant if they wear a dress and cut their penis off, so I guess logic doesn’t apply for them. Also, let me ask you, do you think it is a coincidence that this just happened to be when A) Biden did not give Secret Service protection for Trump or RFK, going so far as to say “Let’s bullseye Trump” and B) the SCOTUS ruling that the president has immunity. Either way, it doesn’t matter.
Most importantly, I’ll repeat myself: To me, this is clear proof that G-d wants Donald John Trump to be the 47th President of the United States of America.
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Let’s address some quotes:
"I heard the shooter had been cheated by Trump University. Lost his life savings” "You don’t know any of that. It was probably some guy that Trump cheated in one of his many scams or lawsuits.”
Even if its true, idgaf. but there's no proof anyway.
"Just like that lucky streak of peaceful transfers of power that Trump broke. That was MAGA not trump, he never incited 1/6. “stand by” was exaggerated by the mainstream media.
"So didn’t America lose its democracy when the Reagan assassination attempt occurred?” America slipped with JFK, his brother, and Reagan, and this is the tipping point.
"Maybe Republicans are right. We need more guns in America, especially at Trump rallies.” Glad the Dems are FINALLY waking up. We as Americans need to protect ourselves from looneys like this!
To me, this is clear proof that G-d wants Donald John Trump to be the 47th President of the United States of America.
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@Tidycraft
Also true. Especially in the fucked up times we live in.
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@FLRW
"One of my best friends was gay. He started his own construction company but ended up committing suicide because of the harassment he got."
If you're a guy, and you either cut off your dick or put it in another guy’s asshole then you should be reprehended by your peers. If you can’t handle the reprehension and commit suicide, then you are a weak fool. It’s also worth noting that both homosexuality and suicide are blasphemous.
Furthermore, if you want to be a weak blasphemous fool, fine. But don’t wave a rainbow flag, delegate an entire month, make parades, show drag shows to kids and force celebration of your sexual desire down my throat.
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@TheUnderdog
So if Biden lost your vote with this, then that means you’re voting for trump or rfk? or just not voting at all?
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@TheUnderdog
Sure, whatever policies you may have. But at this point, why would anyone vote trump or biden? Just go for who you actually want to win.
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@TheUnderdog
then vote jill stien, I like her too. For me, it’s between her and RFK but I prefer rfk becuase he talks more about the bigger issues like the border and gun rights, etc. but also has some more liberal views like the environment, but I’d only vote 3rd party at this point.
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@TheUnderdog
So If you don’t want trump to win, then just vote for RFK. If enough people rally he’ll win handily.
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@TheUnderdog
You’re proving my point that they’re both evil. Anyone with a sound mind and body can tell they both suck. RFK all the way.
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@TheUnderdog
"Both should be legal and the right wants to ban both."
Wrong. Biden is the one who banned tiktok. Not trump
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@TheUnderdog
Once again, trump isn’t a dictator. If he was, we’d have WW3 already. Also, I’d rather have porn banned than tiktok.
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@TheUnderdog
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"My argument is not that Biden is doing well; it's that he is the lesser of 2 evils with him v Trump."
I agree they both kind of suck. But trump is better because my quality of life was better when he was POTUS.
Still, though, I would not vote for a lesser of two evils, so I vote for neither. I could not vote for I guy who I still think is evil, even if it’s the lesser.
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@Double_R
Sir, I have faith you will find your way back to your brain.
" He values democracy"
America is a constitutional republic. In other words, he hates the constitution and he hates America and what we stand for.
You didn’t give any reasons that you dislike trump as POTUS, or why you like biden as POTUS; you just insulted trump and praised biden, not what they each accomplished.
Was your quality of life better under Trump or Biden?
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@TheUnderdog
As the late, great mark twain said “it’s hard to argue with a smart person, it’s impossible with an idiot.”
If you’re naive enough to think that Biden is doing well, then that’s your problem.
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@TheUnderdog
Great. Glad we agree on the Porn ban and project 2025. Now that that’s out of the way, let’s move on.
interracial marriage and abortion aren’t the same. The monarchy-anarchy definitions were to say that it’s up to the states to make abortion illegal or not, if it became federal, it would be autocratic (like a monarchy) with the POTUS shouting orders, whereas you can’t the leave the choice up to the woman because then it becomes anarchy, where the citizens do whatever they want. There still has to be law and order, and leaving it up to the states is the perfect match of both.
Your comparison of interracial marriage doesn’t work because it doesn't affect anybody, abortion does: it kills a baby. Therefore you can’t take a libretarian approach to it.
Now, regarding the Trump verdict:
The jury actually was corrupt (and was influenced by Judge Merchan) because he told them ‘that they don’t have to name the crime they are convicting trump of.’ That’s corruption in and of itself. His daughter is a wacko pinko and so were Alvin Bragg and Leticia James who you forgot to mention as well. It’s the most obvious case of election interference I’ve seen in my entire lifetime.
As for Jan. 6: does “stand down and stand by” sound anything like “storm the capitol, end free and fair elections, and make me a dictator.” No. Like I said before, trump says some stupid crap but he isn’t a dictator. He won’t put anyone behind bars like AOC thinks; it’s just fearmongering from the far left, as per usual.
"The unemployment rate went down under both."
You’re twisting the truth. Biden lost about 13 million jobs and created about 12 million. Gas and Homes also both went up about 30% under Biden. Anyways, Trump lost about 3 million jobs and created about 3.75 million, a 25% surplus. Not to mention that trump had to navigate through the peak of covid.
"I’m more scared of the debt."
Me too. And does it look like Biden is doing anything to help it? no. Instead he’s funding billions in ukraine aid (which trump says he will force ukraine to pay back if he’s elected.) He’s giving out free healthcare to illegal aliens, and he’s giving iran money to build terror tunnels. Israel too but they are allies and he’s not giving them as much. Trump is an amazing example of being pro-Israel and putting America first, i.e. “anyone who does business with Iran can’t do business with the U.S.
“Inflation is the federal reserve’s responsibility, not the president’s."
The Federal Reserve merely prints money. The president controls it — How come there wasn’t inflation under Trump?
"America should have open borders and ICE should be abolished"
Haven’t you read the constitution? A nation without borders is not a nation at all!
"If an immigrant (or native born citizen) rapes or murders, then they should face death"
First of all, they are not immigrants. An immigrant refers to a person who came here legally and made something of themselves. not the illegal aliens who come here to pillage, rape, abuse, steal, kill, etc. (Jocelyn Nungaray, Rachel Morin, Laken Riley. Look them up.)
Second of all, I agree that anyone who does one of the above acts should be killed, but under Biden, crime is rampant and completely unenforced.
Based on most of what you have said, you share a lot of trump’s policies. For example, you mentioned being a “high slope” guy. Meaning you don’t wanna prosecute petty crimes but you do for the major crimes. That’s more aligned with trump than Biden.
Last but certainly not least, here are five reasons why biden sucks as POTUS:
1. He is Senile, takes crack (so does his son btw) and can’t raise his kids properly (as I just mentioned)
2. Economy, Inflation, Border (all the important stuff)
3. His weak foreign policy which not only negatively impacts the world geopolitically, but also here at home (e.g. reason 2)
4. He also puts ukraine, taiwan, illegal aliens and even israel before America and american citizens.
5. He is a puppet for the Democratic Socialists. He is 81. He falls down stairs and off bikes.
Do I need to keep going?
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@TheUnderdog
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Instead of insulting you, I’ll reason with you.
I think porn is a mental illness and it’s a tool used by the oligarchs to weaken the betas of society. That said, I don’t think porn should be banned. You still have the option to not look at it, so there’s free will. And should cigarettes be banned? No. So if trump wants to ban porn, then sure that’s not the best thing.
Regarding abortion,
"Why leave it up to the states?"
That’s the way it should be. Anything bigger, like federal, will result to a monarchy. Anything smaller, like each individual person, will result in anarchy.
"He is [a convicted felon] and your argument for why he is not makes no sense."
No, he wasn’t convicted. He was sentenced, but not convicted. If he was convicted he would be in jail, but he’s appealing so he’s not.
Also, the trial was a sham. The judge and his daughter are crazy-left (they told the jury they did not have to even state the crime) the AG, Leticia James is also crazy-left and her mission when running was to put him behind bars, the jury were from New York, a blue state, and don’t even get me started on Alvin Bragg and Michael Cohen. Whether or not you like Biden, anyone with a brain can see that it’s election interference.
There’s absolutely no proof to suggest that Trump will be a dictator. It’s just fearmongering from the left. I know you’re going to cite January 6th, but trump has never supported it in the first place. So let’s see; a few hundred retards vs. the National Guard, it was never a serious threat to begin with and was just more fearmongering from the left.
You still haven’t given a single reason for liking Biden, so I’ll give you some for why I like trump.
1. His economy (more jobs, price of groceries, market rate, etc.)
2. Less inflation (as noted above)
3. NO wars, whereas Biden created THREE wars
4. His Border
5. His intolerance for crime
Let alone, Biden is an awful POTUS and I’ll happily provide reasons for that too if this isn’t enough.
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@TheUnderdog
Yeah. We aren’t getting anywhere. How about this:
Name three reasons why you like Biden and three reasons why you dislike Trump. Since you started the forum, I want to hear your opinion first as a framework.
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@Double_R
"Donald Trump wouldn’t even read his intelligence briefings unless his name was mentioned numerous times. Correlation =/= causation."
Perhaps I should use your own quote on you,
"Do you have facts to back up any of these examples?"
And not only do you not have the facts, but I do:
It’s called history and these are all real events that happened. Google it if you don’t believe me.
You asked for:
"Please provide one example of a reasonable action Biden should have taken but didn’t to prevent or respond to a war."
So here are multiple examples:
IRAN:
1. Instead of becoming broke and relying on oil from Iran, Biden should have drilled the f’ing coal mines
2. Biden should not have given them billions to make terrorist tunnels and fund proxy wars
3. He should have continued what Trump started and proclaimed that anyone who does business with Iran, can’t do business with the U.S. Then Iran would have no money for their tunnels and wars
4. He shouldn’t revoke weapons from Israel and call for a ceasefire. I don't wanna get into Israel-Iran, but pretty much Biden started the whole thing.
COMMIES:
1. He should be tougher on Putin and Xi and Un like Trump was. Reasonable but stern.
There are not one, not two, but THREE wars (Russia-Ukraine, China-Taiwan, Israel-Iran) that all happened under Biden and there were ZERO wars under Trump. It’s undeniable that Trump has better foreign policy. And yet the media still tries to push the narrative that if Trump wins, then there’ll be WW3 when it’s actually quite the opposite. Trump also had better economy, inflation, crime, border… I could keep going. Anyone who thinks biden is doing a better job is in need of some serious help. I don’t mean that as an insult, and I genuinely want to help them see the truth.
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@TheUnderdog
Yeah, that’s what CNN will have you believe.
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@TheUnderdog
"Nobody in power in 2024 is advocating forcing people to use EVs."
Actually, Biden is. He says half of all the vehicles on the market by 2030 will be electric (that sound more like a mandate than a choice) And we both know biden has a history of mandates (covid lockdown and vaccines)
"Biden is POTUS right now. You are allowed to debate whether Porn or gas cars should be banned."
I meant that Biden is unreasonable as POTUS. Not that me and you can’t reason.
"Because overturning Roe V Wade won’t virtually eliminate abortions."
Thanks for bringing this up, I’ve been meaning to talk about it. Trump said that, no matter what, he will NEVER put a federal ban on abortion. It is up to the states. Does that sound like somebody who wants to get rid of free and fair elections? Or somebody who is a dictator? Say what you want about his ego and personality, but he’s not a dictator.
"Vasectomies for men before they have vaginal sex with women would. I support a nationwide abortion ban at conception, but that is only plausible with a culture of vasectomies which Trump didn’t promote."
What? First of all, it’s not Trump's job to tell a guy to get a vasectomy, nor is it his role to have a nationwide ban on abortion. I’m pro-choice just don’t tell me that abortion isn’t murder. Legally speaking, yes, you have bodily autonomy, but just know that it’s the completely wrong thing to do and that you are killing someone.
Second, if every guy got a vasectomy, there would be no more reproduction. Sure, there would be less abortions, but there would also be no more humans.
“Trump caused Jan 6 to happen. If Jan 6 succeeded, then there would be no more free and fair elections in the US."
Yeah, that’s hyperboly. I’d stop listening to cnn if i were you.
"I’m glad you brought this up. The reason why Trump didn’t take away elections in his first term was because the people he was surrounded by were mainly establishment republicans; people that believed in elections and that were not Trump loyalists.” Trump the next time (if he wins) will fill his administration with Trump loyalists who won’t question anything he does."
Until I hear from the man himself that he wants to end elections, I have no proof that he does, and this is all just speculation.
"But why don’t you like Trump? You claim you don’t like him."
I claimed I’m a moderate left. I’m not a trump fanatic but you can’t deny he’s better than sleepy joe.
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@Double_R
"Can you name a single time Trump has ever spoken disparagingly about Putin? Ever?"
That’s not how foreign policy works. You don’t just bash everyone you disagree with. You reason with them, but you’re also stern with them. That’s what trump did and there were no wars. Biden is a weak fool who bashes Putin, xi, iran, etc. but when push comes to shove, he caves in and does nothing about the wars.
Let’s compare Reagan to Trump to Biden in terms of Iran
Reagan: Give back the American hostages or get nuked. They complied
Trump: Anyone who does business with Iran can’t do business with the U.S. Iran had no money for proxy wars.
Biden: Undid what trump did, stopped drilling oil, strikes a deal with the worst possible country to give billions of dollars to for oil. Then, he gives them billions more for free in hopes that they would become better people. And then they build terrorist tunnels and Oct. 7 happens. Then Biden says Israel committed a genocide and there must be a ceasefire.
This is just one example of many.
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1. Sorry, I missed the part that he wants to ban porn; but is banning porn worse than mandating e-vehicles? I’m pro-environment, but more importantly, I'm anti-mandate. And unless you watch porn, it doesn’t impact you. And even if you do watch porn, stopping watching it will certainly improve your life. But still, I would say you should have the choice, but with trump at least we can have a rational discussion about this. With Biden and his posse, they are crazy extreme.
If you agree with criminalizing roe v wade, then how is that an anti-trump argument?
You mentioned January 6 and yes he instigated but he never said to storm the capital. And Jan. 6 doesn’t impact your life. Biden's +200% eggs do.
And when did trump ever say he wants to be a dictator that gets rid of free and fair elections? The answer is never. It’s a stupid narrative that CNN and MSNBC wants to push. If Trump really was a dictator, he would have shown that in his first term. He had the power to ban free and fair elections before and he did not.
And you didn’t actually give any reasons why you like Biden, you just stated why you hate trump but I debunked all of them.
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@TheUnderdog
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"How are you left wing?"
Pro environment and pro-cheap healthcare are some good examples
More moderate might be a more accurate though
Project 2025 does not ban porn. It eradicates "legal protections against discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity,[21][22] and terminates diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI)” and that’s just the most cherrypicked example that’s been made into propaganda. Additionally, trump never made the book, the heritage foundation did.
You only have one single reason for hating trump. That’s not good enough. Name three things that he did as POTUS that negatively affected your life. Also, name three things Biden did that positively affected your life. If you can do that, I might vote for Biden in November.
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@TheUnderdog
I’m curious, why do you genuinely prefer Biden? You can’t honestly tell me Biden is doing a better job as POTUS, and don’t tell me that Trump is a felon, because as liberal as I am, even I know that the case was a sham. Corrupt Judge and daughter, corrupt AG, in blue NYC, hell even Michael Cohen. Yeah, that trial was for crap. So tell me, why do you prefer Biden?
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@TheUnderdog
When there is a problem in the USA, it is the POTUS’ fault. Always. 100% of the time. He’s the commander-in-chief and is the one responsible. Not his wife, not Obama, not Newsom (not that I like any of those people).
And regarding free speech, yes I agree that hate speech is free speech. But threatening to commit a crime is a crime. It’s possible to be pro-Israel and America first. I’m not one of those nikki haley retards who puts everything on the line for Israel, but just stick up for your biggest ally and tell Iran to stop funding terrorist proxy groups.
As for the border, when people say “run the government like a business”, as Vivek said before, it means implementing zero-based budgeting, not allowing people from mental asylums, that are drug addicts and criminals through our southern border. Illegals can’t increase the GDP because they are gosh darn illegal. How in the hell would the government track illegal sales? Same reason all the crime they commit isn’t tracked. Because they can’t be tracked!
My uncle’s car was smashed by an illegal last year. She had no license, registration, or ID, or anything really. And she was let off scot-free by the POLICE. They weren’t allowed to do anything or they’d be fired. The crime was never reported. Do you have any idea how many unreported crimes there are from these illegals?
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One more thing about the Border btw.
There are a reported 7.2 million illegals that have crossed the border under biden. And when you look at all the interviews of ICE, that’s an extremely conservative estimate.
Anyways, let’s use that number just for kicks. If even 1% of those people commit a homicide, even just once, we have 70+ thousand killers on our hands. To put that into perspective, there have been about only 5000 killings from gun violence this year (as of Feb.’24). Who knows how many of those are illegals?
How many more Laken Rileys will have to be killed in order to secure the border. And don’t tell me Biden is trying to close the border. We both know that’s bullshit to get more votes.
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@TheUnderdog
One thing to note first, I’m relatively left-leaning in my policies. (For example, I am pro-cheap healthcare)But I got a job and another debate on here, so I’ll keep this quick:
When I go to the grocery store to buy eggs and milk and the prices are higher than they were under trump, My vote says Trump
When I turn on the news and see biden falling off another staircase, My vote says Trump
When my dollar is worth less than it was under Trump, my vote says trump
When there are fewer wars and we aren’t going into trillions of dollars in debt for foreign countries, my vote says trump.
When Millions of illegal aliens are flowing through our southern border, my vote says trump
When stores are shutting down and in CA you can steal up to $900, my vote says trump
When Biden takes crack to seem somewhat senile, and is pedophilic with children, my vote says trump
When it’s hard to find a job and wages are cheaper and when I do make the money, it’s worth less. Then my vote says trump.
When he embarrasses our troops in taliban, like truman did with vietnam, my vote says trump
When Trump wants to make america great, and biden wants to enforce stupid identity politics and DEI and just keep bending the knee to woke garbage, my vote says trump.
When Biden is controlled by Obama and all the other puppetmasters, my vote says trump.
When Trump makes great speeches and biden mumbles, my vote says trump.
When Trump is strong (for his age) and Biden is weak, my vote says trump
Trump can be extreme on some stuff, and he says some stupid crap (norway and haiti), But I hoenstly don’t give a crap, he did a much better job as POTUS.
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