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@YouFound_Lxam
False statement. Personhood is defined as ones ability to survive on there own? With this type of thinking, any human being that is not viable in any sort of way, could be considered without personhood.
Ha ha ha ha!! Hey, dumbass. We have been over this before and I’ve proven you wrong time and time again. When will you ever learn, child!!!
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@Intelligence_06
The police system is problematic as of now, and racism is not the only problem infused.
There are over 330M people in the US; annually there are 55-65M police contacts and of those contacts, 2-3% involve use of force OR threats to use force. That is 0.003636 incidents of use of force or threats to use force by police.
The policing system works, it's the general population that is the problem. Racism has nothing to do with it.
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@amandragon01
When is the embryo alive and
Cellular life begins at conception...
more pressingly when does personhood start?
When the viable fetus is birthed.
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@PREZ-HILTON
Analogies don’t apply to very specific (and repeated) claims, dumbass intellectual coward.
When you claim someone said/accused/implied X, you have to PROVE they actually said X. Using ignorant inferences (red herrings) ≠ proof of your stupidity, you daft intellectual coward.
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@PREZ-HILTON
And I still never said (i.e., used the term) “robots” or that citizens had “full control” (that exact phrase).
You’re still wrong. Retarded clown with 0 integrity and full on intellectual cowardice.
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@PREZ-HILTON
FACT: I never said or claimed cops were “robots” and that citizens were in “full control” of the traffic stop. I’ve always remained consistent on the fact and reality of human behavior in interpersonal communications between citizen and another with a position of authority can go many different ways based on the interaction and how one treats the other. Even a citizens in a good mood can flip a 180 if they feel threatened or ridiculed by the officer. Either one can make a difference, good or bad. None of the quotes you cited = me stating cops are “robots” and citizens were in “full control” of the contact between them. It is to you who is retarded and an intellectual coward with zero integrity to admit when you’re so clearly wrong here.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Well said. Thanks for watching the video (unlike Double_R, who refuses to) and providing your input.
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@AleutianTexan
This is a general value question, but do you think citizens have a duty and/or right to stand up, violently or otherwise, against tyrannical or unjust governments?
Red herring. Start another thread to discuss the duties of citizens when government fails to live up to its standards.
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@PREZ-HILTON
Those are your quotes though. Lol
Take out of context and incorrectly applied to your still unsubstantiated claim. Yeah, LOL! 😝
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@Double_R
The fundamental tenant of this site is to debate, BUT there is a clear difference between the formal debate section and the forum for mere discussion (not debate, which is what the debate side is for).
Keep making excuses for your laziness and obvious deflection.
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@sadolite
What is there to discuss? Poor diction is poor diction. Only a delusional fool would try to normalize it.
Did you even watch the video?
Doubt it. If you had to ask the question, and clearly failed to understand the point that the two women expressed.
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@Sidewalker
Immature troll.
Done reading your incel garbage.
Even more done replying to your childish BS.
Bye, loser.
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@PREZ-HILTON
Intellectual coward denialist poster child for the Dunning Kruger effect. Thanks for proving that fact to the proverbial T. Ass clown. All anyone needs to do is read your drivel and observe your obvious lack of reading comprehension skills and inability to follow along let alone zero integrity to admit when you’re wrong.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Well, TWS is former army enlisted who made it all the way to E3. He’s unemployed, has no kids and apparently he’s a big Star Trek fan. Oh and he’s the membership chair at the local Proud Boys chapter.
E4, ignorant bone headed dumbass with zero integrity and an embarrassment to the Marine Corps.
I’m retired and wealthy, gutter rat.
Liking a science fiction series proves nothing other than your attempt at an insult was sophomorically banal.
What the hell is a proud boys chapter? If you know about it, you’re clearly a member.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
There is NOTHING racist or restrictive about requiring an ID for voting.There is zero evidence that voter fraud is a problem in this country.
Non sequitur & red herring fallacy.
Having said that, you’re wrong.
Ignorant liberal dumbass.
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@Sidewalker
Damn, I guess you're just inferior to everybody.
Way to keep demonstrating what an intellectual coward poster child for the Dunning Kruger effect you are. Loser.
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@PREZ-HILTON
Your ignorant subjective opinion about the officer being ignorant says more about you than it does the cop. Especially to a lawyer. Heard this garbage one time too many working in not only law enforcement myself (in various capacities), but also the CJS as well under a DA.
Just give it up. You’ve already shown what a clown you are. Why keep adding makeup and frills to your ever growing costume!
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@FLRW
White Supremacy does exist in America today!
NO, it does not.
But there sure as shit is black supremacy, and the alphabet soup supremacy, as well as leftist cancel culture supremacy too.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
The politicians are literally admitting they are passing laws to make voting harder for blacks and they are proud of it.
No they are NOT you ignorant racist white guilt liberal clown!!!
You need ID to drive.
You need ID to buy alcohol.
You need ID to go to school (especially higher education).
You need ID to check books out from a library.
You need ID to get a hunting license.
And the list GOES ON!
There is NOTHING racist or restrictive about requiring an ID for voting.
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@Sidewalker
You’re such an idiot. I support her you fucktard. Both the black women in the video. They are 100% spot on.
Way to further demonstrate your obscene lack of reading comprehension skills and flagrant ignorance of the subject matter as presented.
Amala is on the right. AS I AM. She was a lefty, but she left and turned right when she became educated and stopped buying the snake oil of the left.
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@Double_R
This has nothing to do with the conversation.
AND neither does the below nonsensical red herring:
We’re talking about whether the actions and/or aspirations of a political movement align with the constitution. Of course any group who does not acknowledge its basic principals will not align themselves with it.
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@RationalMadman
Double_R never watches videos linked to, either as evidence for (support of) an argument or to even begin a discussion as I did here.
He’s just a lazy fucktard, pompous, and obnoxious pseudo know-it-all.
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@PREZ-HILTON
Stress or hairline crack" means a crack which has no visible point of impact.”You merely said crack before, if you had a more nuanced view, you should have written the above out to start with.
There’s that lack of reading comprehension skills coming through… 🤦
Common knowledge doesn’t needs no more explanation than it does citation.
You proved that you are one of the ones who know nothing about traffic laws, even as commonly known as cracked windshields being illegal as they are an obstruction, and you would be the type to argue with a cop about it when pulled over.
You have also demonstrated that you lack any measure of integrity and/or honesty, seeing as your intellectual cowardice prevents you from admitting when you are so blatantly and clearly WRONG! (And proven so!!!)
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@Sidewalker
AND I speak proper English, as all Americans should (to include those who emigrate here should as well)Then why are you so butthurt that some girl doesn't think should speak slang?
Are you being an obtuse troll on purpose, or are you truly that fucking dense!?! Asking for others reading your drivel.
It is a topic of discussion with societal and cultural implications that can go wrong in various ways. It’s a good topic for this forum.
And for the last time, I am not butthurt over it. I could care less. It affects me not. But it is a subject that involves an area I do enjoy debating/discussing: black people and the woke (white guilt) left.
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@PREZ-HILTON
Shifting the goal posts from knowing the traffic laws to duration of a traffic stop I seeWrong
No, Right! You jumped from baselessly claiming cops know very little about the routine traffic laws that they enforce to the courts determining how long a traffic stop should and shouldn’t be. That’s shifting the goal posts (i.e. a non sequitur argument).
There is a reason why dice don’t hang from the mirror anymore, state legislators have outlawed it because it was determined to be something that has the potential to obstruct the driver’s full view out of the windshield.It doesn't obstruct the view though, nice try. We have bifocal vision so as long as each eye has a different angle, you should be able to see any traffic behind it.
That is your subjective opinion and not a fact!
“Hanging objects from the rear view mirror
In Illinois, it is a traffic violation to hang or place any sign, window application or reflective material between the driver and the front windshield, rear window, side wings or side windows. This includes fuzzy dice hanging over a rearview mirror, dashboard hula figurines and photographs.”
In Illinois, it is a traffic violation to hang or place any sign, window application or reflective material between the driver and the front windshield, rear window, side wings or side windows. This includes fuzzy dice hanging over a rearview mirror, dashboard hula figurines and photographs.”
“A majority of states have laws making it illegal to hang anything from a rearview mirror that obscures a driver’s view.”
Cracks in the windshield also fall under the same category, and one can be cited for a damaged windshield due to said obstructionsSee bifocal vision. It doesn't obstruct driving because some rock left a tiny crack in your windshield.
“3. "Outright breakage" means glass which is severely cracked or shattered to the extent that air passes through it or, if by running a fingertip over the cracked area, the glass moves or sharp edges can be felt;
4. "Star break or shot damage" means a vented break with cracks radiating from the point of impact; and
5. "Stress or hairline crack" means a crack which has no visible point of impact.”
4. "Star break or shot damage" means a vented break with cracks radiating from the point of impact; and
5. "Stress or hairline crack" means a crack which has no visible point of impact.”
So again cops being like "well technically it is In their vision so it obstructs view" is not following the spirit of the law. On top of that if we actually took what you said seriously then the bar that connects the rearview mirror to the windshield technically obstructs the view also.
Again you are patently wrong. It is written into the law as given by the OK law above.
You would have to be a complete retard to thing somebody hanging an air freshener is risking a car crash because of it.
Guess all those legislators who wrote the law prohibiting fuzzy dive and air fresheners hanging from the rear view mirror are all retards then, according to your (Ill)logic. 🤦🏼♂️
stopped using that stupid phrase “the book of verbal jujitsu,” it’s not making your position sound anymore factually accurate when it so clearly is not.Ha, so you haven't read it. It's absolutely retarded to think how you stay stuff has no effect on how others respond to you. If you want we can debate whether choosing words differently effects the behavior of others, we can also have a debate on whether command presence is more likely to get favorable outcomes for police than those who do not use command presence.
Don’t need to read it. I know how to execute proper interpersonal communications. I was so good at it when I was conducting background investigations for a county Sheriff of new candidates, that many felt so comfortable talking to me they divulged information that got their application tossed into the bin.
Ever wear the uniform? Put the badge on? Conduct traffic stops?
Again, we are all human and can change our behavior, demeanor and attitude based on how we are treated by another despite all efforts to be kind.One hell of an admission. Prior to that you claimed cops were all robots and the citizen being stopped was in full control of an officers behavior.
I made no such claim. You clearly know not of anything regarding psychology and human interactions that go in any direction based on the behavior, attitude, demeanor and word choice of one party directed at another.
It is patently clear at this point that you’re talking out your ass on this subject matter, because you have been nothing but consistently factually inaccurate in all your responses. And I am beginning to question your reading comprehension skills now as well.
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@Sidewalker
You are missing a lot!!!! Namely, this is DART, a place to have debates and discussions. This topic, like every other topic, is proffered for discussion. No one is butthurt over anything. Well, maybe except you, obviously, because others like to have actual debates and discussions at DART, so you’re belittling them/us for doing so.
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@Sidewalker
> @Intelligence_06So is English itself when you wanna dig deep. There are reasons you should be not bothered with it but you are, oh well.He found out there's a video of some kids that don't think he should speak African American Vernacular English and he's butthurt about it LOLWait till he finds out there's also some kids that don't think he should get corn rows, he'll be devastated.I guess he'll need to just stick with speaking redneck and wearing the baseball cap with the confederate flag on it.
You sure are full of yourself, SW. You clearly didn’t see my reply to him; well, it stands as a reply to you too: #14
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Oh yeah, like you rednecks don't have your own way of talking.
I am not a redneck. Not from the south.
My lineage is second generation Dutch/German/Polish/Cherokee.
Most of my life having lived in the PNW.
AND I speak proper English, as all Americans should (to include those who emigrate here should as well),
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@PREZ-HILTON
When it comes to the routine basic traffic laws, yes, they doWithout googling it, how long is considered reasonable for a reasonable stop?The supreme court has given the exact time to the minute.I mention that one because cops get it wrong all of the time.
Shifting the goal posts from knowing the traffic laws to duration of a traffic stop I see. 🤦
The Supreme Court cannot give a time duration on a traffic stop as no two traffic stops are 100% equal. They are inherently different and predicated on a multitude of unpredictable factors that center on the person being stopped.
We also have many cops who are either stupid and don't understand they are violating the spirit of the law many times or they are smart and pretending to be stupid so they can violate the spirit of the law. For example pulling people over for dice in the mirror.
When a citizen stopped asks questions or attempts to engage the officer in casual conversation that prolongs the stop, that is not violating the spirit of the law. Your characterization of cops being stupid is nothing short of an ignorant emotively driven subjective opinion lumping all cops under the same umbrella of your stupid characterization.
There is a reason why dice don’t hang from the mirror anymore, state legislators have outlawed it because it was determined to be something that has the potential to obstruct the driver’s full view out of the windshield. So if someone has dice and get pulled over, well, that’s an example of someone not knowing the current law regarding objects deemed an obstruction and the cops knowing the law better than that driver. Cracks in the windshield also fall under the same category, and one can be cited for a damaged windshield due to said obstructions.
The cop alters their position/stance based on that initial encounterNot true at all that it is completely dependent on the person stopped, otherwise you wouldn't have the best cops using the book verbal jujitsu. You also wouldn't have studies, like the studies which show command presence keeps cops safer. Those studies wouldn't even be relevant if all cops behaved exactly identical like robots.Like it or not, police officers are not robots and each one has a separate personality as well as a variety of policing skills
No, it is absolutely 100% true. We are all human beings, to include cops, and when one human being decides to be a dick to an officer for no reason other than they being pissed off that they got pulled over, depending on how much they get accosted or if the person gets out of the car, does in fact determine the choices the cop makes from there. And stopped using that stupid phrase “the book of verbal jujitsu,” it’s not making your position sound anymore factually accurate when it so clearly is not.
While some cops can be arrogant pricks (I’ve dealt with a few in my time) on traffic stops (and I have filed complaints against them for it), the vast majority are not and exude confidence and kindness, even in the fact of the citizens stupidity. Again, we are all human and can change our behavior, demeanor and attitude based on how we are treated by another despite all efforts to be kind.
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@AleutianTexan
Doesn't this mean that there are factors directly working against children and preventing them from success?
I repeat, the government and black culture is what keeps that approximate 20% of the black population in their impoverished situation.
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@RationalMadman
If black people dress, walk and talk like white people, nobody says it is racist.
True, but they are accused of “acting white” though, and ostracized by others in the black community for it.
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@Intelligence_06
So is English itself when you wanna dig deep. There are reasons you should be not bothered with it but you are, oh well.
I’m not “bothered” by it, not am I surprised by it.
It’s just another aspect of leftist garbage trying to control something and telling white people they are not allowed to have it bullshit.
I thought it would be an interesting subject to discuss here. I am not “bothered” by it. 🤦🏼♂️
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@Public-Choice
I don’t follow Pragu U, but I do like that gal, among other truth sayers..even if they happen to work for or do a lot of videos for PU. I am more about the individual than PU, specifically.
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@Polytheist-Witch
LOL - yeah, right. Marked patrol car with lights and a uniformed officers is talking to you…he apparently didn’t know it was a traffic stop. FFS 🤦🏼♂️
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@AleutianTexan
You won’t [know] if the stop was “unjust” until you’re eventually told and/or cited. Then you’re free to file a civil complaint with the police department if you feel the officer did you wrong; and you can make your case in court to the judge.
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@PREZ-HILTON
TWS1405_2You don’t know the traffic laws, they doNot always. Lawyers usually know the law better than cops and the supreme court has also ruled cops do not need to know the law in order to enforce it.I am not a lawyer and their are aspects of the law I probably understand better than a lot of cops.
When it comes to the routine basic traffic laws, yes, they do know the traffic laws better than the average Jane and John Doe. They even know them better than the lawyers do. Lawyers look up the laws after the fact to understand them in the context of the police report.
I highly doubt “their” (sic) are aspects of the [traffic] law(s) you would understand better than a lot of cops.
Either way, it is not to you to question their decisions and/or authorityWhile true, the best cops I know read the book verbal jujitsu and have an easier time getting cooperation than the cop in this incident did.
Irrelevant. Everything that has the potential to happen (or not happen) during a traffic stop is predicated on how the citizen stopped and contacted reacts to and treats the cop. The cop alters their position/stance based on that initial encounter.
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@AleutianTexan
Less than 20% of the black population is in any measurable amount of so-called “poverty. They’re the ones comprised of majority single women households with one or more children out of wedlock. These women are married to the government (Democratic Party) who have forced upon them their cyclical cycle of poverty, creating generation after generation of kids without fathers and feeding them the victimhood mentality garbage (like CRT does). So its both a government and black culture problem within that 20%.
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@AleutianTexan
These idiots actually believe they have a right to question cops doing their job, refusing lawful commands, aggressively grabbing at a cop, reaching for their taser and/or service weapon, and all to contradict society’s established law and order.The officer didn't tell him what he was being stopped for when the guy asked. Why would I assume a cop is "doing their job" or giving "lawful commands" if, up to the moment, I've done nothing wrong. Law and order can only be upheld in a society if citizens can know the law and what is expected of them.
Cops do not answer to civilians like that. You need to first listen and don’t question. You don’t know the traffic laws, they do. Therefore, you won’t know if you did something wrong until you are told. Sometimes cops tell you after you give them your license and registration. Sometimes it’s the first thing they tell you. Either way, it is not to you to question their decisions and/or authority.
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https://youtu.be/eg0i7iw7Ykk - Unapologetic with Amala
First called Ebonics, now AAVE (African American Vernacular English), is actually rooted in poor white southern language that blacks co-opted and called their own (in other words, cultural appropriation).
More nonsensical leftist garbage.
Discuss.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
--> @TWS1405_2Are you suggesting that self segregation is bad? I’m sure when you were in the army you only hung out with other racist idiots.
It depends on how the self-segregation is established and utilized. In some forms, as you said, we all have the right to congregate with whom we choose, but at the same time it can be a cesspool of disaster that targets others outside the group.
I hung with blacks, hispanics, whites, and Asians. My black platoon sergeant is the one who helped me advance my MP career all the way to working for C.I.D. One of the black special agents there even called me his N***er, because he felt like we were such good friends and co-workers that we could engage in that term both ways. I told him I would never do it because of its historical connotations, and he respected my opinion on that.
So no you racist fucktard pos poor excuse for a Marine with a single digit IQ, I am not a racist. But you are. That is clear. You fight so hard to prove you’re not it is so clear that you are.
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@Public-Choice
Well said/commented in that lengthy and follow-up comment #170 and #171
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@YouFound_Lxam
TWS1405_2Third, I do not use the term “kill,” as it is an emotively driven term. Terminate is the more medically and legally accurate term when it comes to abortion.But it is still the same word. Just because you wrap it in a bow, doesn't make it any different.
Ah but it does. Connotation and context matters when using words that have very different meanings when used under certain circumstances.
Lastly, you cannot compare a pregnancy to an already born person in a coma. It is a false equivalency fallacy. The person in the coma, once they were birthed, were bestowed ALL the rights, privileges and equal protections of the law.I'm not talking about legal standards. I'm talking about moral standards. Would it be morally ok to kill/terminate that person in a coma?
Laws are premised on morality. They are not mutually exclusive. Once the person is given all the rights, privileges and equal protections of the law…morality is a given under those protections.
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@Double_R
Please, do not act so pious you flagrant #hypocrite!!!
But to answer your stupid question, yeah, I do have the high ground.
This is the “forum,” NOT the “debate” section.
You asked for examples, I provided a documentary designed to educate everyone on the “woke left” indoctrination of children into the alphabet soup mentally deranged crowd, specifically transgender. You refuse to educate yourself by reviewing it. Making excuses that you demand cliff notes to the documentary. No different than the analogous example I gave. Which proves you just fucking lazy to look at the citations given to back up others claims because you want them to pander to your laziness by giving you the cliff notes to those citations.
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@Double_R
Pence and Biden were VPs at the time they acquired the documents and took them home. Why is the real question, but given the fact Biden took very specific documents that shed light on his illegal and corrupt dealings with foreign governments (e.g., China), it is obvious his reasoning is nefarious. Pence, on the other hand, is yet to be determined. I’ll wait until I hear more on that.
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@YouFound_Lxam
@TWS1405_2Finally a real answer for a cutoff point. Thank you for providing one.So if fetal viability should be the cutoff point, then I ask you this:Your saying that fetal viability is when the baby is able to technically "survive" outside the womb. But if it isn't viable then it's ok to kill it.So if someone is in a coma, and is not viable without machines working on them, is it ok for me to come up to them with a knife and kill them?
First, you are welcome. Though it is not the first time I have given this to you (or others) in this forum (not the “debate” section @Double_R).
Second, yes, outside the womb “without further gestational development” to ensure all organs are functioning in concert so the fetus survives outside the womb.
Third, I do not use the term “kill,” as it is an emotively driven term. Terminate is the more medically and legally accurate term when it comes to abortion.
Lastly, you cannot compare a pregnancy to an already born person in a coma. It is a false equivalency fallacy. The person in the coma, once they were birthed, were bestowed ALL the rights, privileges and equal protections of the law. So in a coma, they are protected. A pregnancy is not, regardless of stage of development. Well, it was, actually, when Roe v Wade was in effect.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Abortion is perfectly fine (and necessary) up to the point of fetal viability. After that, hands off.
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@Double_R
does being pompous and obnoxious come easy to you, or do you have to work at it? 🤦♂️
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@IwantRooseveltagain
He wasn’t hiding them. Doesn’t matter. He took the proactive step to look, found a few and quickly handed them over. One location. Not five with complete and open access to them, By anyone.
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@Double_R
Pathetic deflection. 🙄
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@Double_R
What you are asking me to do is tantamount to asking an author(s) of a textbook or non-fictional book to give you cliff notes for every reference/book used to pull a quote or selected piece of information from in order for you to understand not only why they chose that reference/book, but also the given quote or information gleaned from the cited reference/book. 🤦🏼♂️ You’re suppose to just read the damn book to understand the intent and purpose of the arguments given within it by the author, not question every damn piece of it and demand the cliff notes for each part referenced and cited to another source that you don’t understand or want to know why they chose that information via the cited reference.
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