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@Savant
I agree, but isnt there some small chance such causation might occur? Like, even if chance is 1 in 100000, given enough time and enough people, it could occur at least once.
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@Savant
that could be based on a belief that free speech would never result in rape in the real world
What about people who argue for actions which are considered as rape or equally bad as rape? In that case, wouldnt letting people argue for that potentially result in someone being convinced by them and act on it?
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"The Hell that awaits those enemies if they do not repent and do good works with true faith before they enter the afterlife is not ours to dish out, it is the Lord and King's"
We dont even know what Hell is like. The only thing we know is that God shows great mercy to all and loves all and benefits all.
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He did not say this
I gave you verses. Even linked them there.
The only question is if you agree with Jesus or not.
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Those are instructions to us
Jesus says "Be perfect as your God is".
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"But I tell you, do not resist an evil person." - Jesus
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""You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect."
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You can make nonsense up, it does not affect me or anyone reading this
I am just repeating Jesus's words.
Jesus said:
"Dont judge, I dont judge people."
"Love all your enemies"
"Love even those who hate you"
"Dont hurt(resist) the evildoer".
If you disagree with Jesus here, then I cant help you there.
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I only follow the word of Jesus, not the rest of the Bible.
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Yahweh (all 3 together) loves you. He loves you like a very strict father
It says God loves all people. He is all good. If Jesus says that not hurting evil people means acting like God does, then clearly God doesnt hurt evil people. In fact, God enabled evil people to exist because he loves all.
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He lets Father hurt you in the afterlife
I dont think so. Jesus clearly said to love all your enemies so you could be like God, because God benefits all, both good and evil.
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2 Timothy 4:1
Those are not Jesus's own words. Those are just words of apostles.
Jesus > apostles.
I am like Jesus, not like his apostles who even betrayed him.
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Also, we know that Jesus had all power on Earth, yet he did not use his power to hurt anyone. He only helped people by healing them all and used his words to make them better. Jesus never hurt anyone.
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So as an individual message, it is good.
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ERV
“I did not come into the world to judge people. I came to save the people in the world. So I am not the one who judges those who hear my teaching and do not obey.
EASY
Not everyone who hears my words will obey them. I will not judge anyone who is like that. I did not come to judge the people in the world. I came to save them.
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No. Using reasoning, world history and maybe some personal experience you can realise the Christian God is far more likely to be real than all others
That would prove my position here, because I argue that some God is likely to exist.
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But as an individual message, is it good?
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He is literally the one who judges
"I did not come into the world to judge people. I came to save the people in the world." - Jesus
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The stone parable is about literal death penalty btw, it is not metaphorical at all
The woman committed adultery there. It was one of the most serious crimes there, even directly listed in 10 commandments. However, Jesus said that he doesnt judge the woman at all.
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Judge me :) I am ready
I am like Jesus. I dont judge anyone.
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Where you went wrong was at the very very start. Your 50% and 1% are made up and false.
Thats only if you assume that each God has 0% chance to exist here.
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He sure made many.
But as an individual message, is it good?
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I am glad you are back. Site has more activity this way. Also, someone really needs to start accepting those debates of new users. Also give them new ones to debate here. I noticed site does put some limits on new users when I made this new account. Like, cant accept any rated debates. Cant start any topics.
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What good messages did Muhammad have?
He told people to care for all orphans.
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How did you get the 1%
Because almost any probability gives same result here. It doesnt matter which I choose. And the average is 50% by default.
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Jesus said
"Dont judge, or you too will be judged".
"God sends gifts to both good and evil".
"I dont judge you".
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" (Jesus was without sin, and he too decided not to cast the stone)
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@Double_R
You cannot use the A/not A framing to determine probability. That's not how that works.
Actually, you can use. You just used it wrong and reached at wrong conclusion. This is because you dont understand limited options.
For example, when casting a dice, its not this:
6 or not 6
But it is 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 or 6.
So again, my logic works while yours happens to fail.
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@Double_R
The premise was never that the laws of logic apply to God, it's that the laws of logic apply
Laws of logic apply to what? If you say that laws of logic apply to everything, including God, then your premise is that laws of logic apply to God. Again, this is circular reasoning.
Its like saying:
1. Animals include cats and dogs.
2. Cats and dogs include cats
C. Animals include cats
Your conclusion merely repeats the premise.
So again, if you say that being which violates logic cannot exist, you are going to have to prove your claim.
I can easily prove that it can exist, because such being logically cannot be prevented anyway.
I used the examples of God/Allah/Zeus specifically because they are all mutually exclusive
So you tried to strawman my argument here? Well, it is good AI disproved you totally.
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I am making this a public thread because I think any private method of handling things with mods goes absolutely nowhere on some topics
Really, really? When I talk with mods, it is never about reporting some person. I dont even remember ever reporting anyone here. I also dont think mods like being bothered about constant user reports. Mods probably want to be treated like all other users and its very disrespecting to treat them as means to enforce your private will.
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Said Jesus was a valid prophet (did not mean it but said it still, invalidating himself as a contender
Jesus did say many good messages, and when it comes to Jesus or Muhammad, it would be a difficult choice because they both have many good messages. But there is no need to choose. One can learn from both.
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This is about active users here being fake banned to repeatedly advocate full on pedophilia.
Not sure why people keep bringing that up.
This is about bestiality being actively advocated for as well
Its not right now. Sure, there is text about it from past. Are you saying it should be deleted completely? Thats not very nice. People put effort into debating here. It comes at the great expense of free time. You should instead say "thank you" to people willing to debate what others dont.
Also remember that cowards dont go to Valhalla. Gods, bless our battle!
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In 'Satire' the website is having a user right now with profile poc of Trump and a swastika.
You mean Sidewalker's profile? I mean, no one ever complained about that.
That user means it in resentment to trump but the image looks as if he is glorifying Nazism and trump. Therefore it comes under illegal pro Nazi imagery in all of Europe
The only good decent country in Europe is Sweden. Besides, if site isnt even located in Europe, then it doesnt matter. Britain doesnt rule the waves. Not anymore.
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Read profile. Hi to any who care.
Its good that you are back.
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@AdaptableRatman
Well, it doesnt have to be. Just way easier to calculate that way. But really, as long as probability of each is 1% or more, there is 99% chance that one of them is real.
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@AdaptableRatman
Well, I am not limiting my argument to those two.
Thousands of different Gods can exist at the same time, and really, if there is just 1% chance that each exists, there is 99% chance that at least one of them exists.
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@AdaptableRatman
There is not 50% probability
Same outcome with almost any probability above 0%.
But probability is 50% by default.
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@RemyBrown
I am not sure if Canada would lose medicare if it joined USA. I mean, it would join as the state, meaning it would still have own budget too. How much it would have to give to US government per year and how much it would be returned to it, I really wouldnt know.
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@RemyBrown
But you can understand how this statement would turn off virtually every normie?
Well, maybe average person doesnt care about free speech much unless its their own speech.
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@RemyBrown
I would not give up on all my free speech or all my freedom just to prevent 1 rape. No one would do that. It is actually possible to prevent almost all rape and abuse by placing cameras and sound recording everywhere, even in all houses, run by AI, and having each person wear a locating device. But who would agree to lose so much freedom for some safety? No one.
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@RemyBrown
My free speech is very important to me. It would be kinda stupid to give up all free speech in a country to prevent one rape. It would be like sacrificing all freedom to save one life. When you give up on freedom and free speech, there is nothing left to even live for.
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@RemyBrown
Would you be fine with a woman getting r@ped to protect your personal free speech? Yes or no.
You mean, my speech would somehow result in a woman getting raped, or lack of my speech would prevent a woman from getting raped?
Or free speech generally resulting in women getting raped?
Or are we discussing a scenario where if I dont give up on free speech, a woman gets raped?
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I call this "God's dyad" argument.
Where time, space and quantity of Gods prove God's existence to be very likely.
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Another version is possibility of multiple Gods existing.
"If there is 50% chance that each of 3 Gods exist, what are the chances of one of them existing?"
To find the probability that at least one of the three Gods exists, when each has a 50% chance of existing independently, you can use the complement rule.
Step-by-step:
- Probability each God does not exist = 1 - 0.5 = 0.5
- Probability none of the 3 Gods exist = 0.5 × 0.5 × 0.5 = 0.125
- So, probability that at least one exists = 1 - 0.125 = 0.875
Final Answer:
87.5% chance that at least one of the three Gods exists.
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Another version is that God in each minute has 50% chance to create himself out of nothing. So after 5 minutes, we get this.
My question to AI:
"If there is 50% chance that God is created out of nothing each minute, what are the chances he is created out of nothing after 5 minutes?"
This is a probability problem involving repeated independent events over time.
Let’s define the problem more precisely:
There is a 50% (i.e., 0.5) chance per minute that God is created out of nothing.
We want to find the probability that this happens at some point within 5 minutes.
Step-by-step:
The easiest way to calculate this is to first compute the probability that God is not created in any given minute, and then use that to find the probability he is not created in any of the 5 minutes.
Probability God is not created in one minute:
Probability God is not created in 5 minutes:
Therefore, the probability that God is created at least once in 5 minutes:
Final Answer:
96.875% chance that God is created out of nothing within 5 minutes.
Do you want to visualize this probability growing over time?
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I asked AI:
"If there are two Gods and each have 50% chance to exist and each of them occupy 50% of all space, then if I have 4 boxes in my room, what are the chances of at least one box containing one of those two Gods?"
AI answer. Just skip to the answer at the end.
Let's break this down step by step using probabilities:
Given: Two Gods (A and B). Each has a 50% chance to exist independently. If they exist, each occupies 50% of all space (not necessarily mutually exclusive). There are 4 boxes in your room.
You want the probability that at least one of the 4 boxes contains one of the two Gods.
Step 1: Enumerate possible existence scenarios:
There are 3 relevant possibilities:
Neither A nor B exists: Probability = 0.5 × 0.5 = 0.25 Only A exists: Probability = 0.5 × 0.5 = 0.25 Only B exists: Probability = 0.5 × 0.5 = 0.25 Both A and B exist: Probability = 0.5 × 0.5 = 0.25 Step 2: For each existence case, compute the chance that none of the 4 boxes contain a God.
Let’s assume "occupies 50% of all space" means randomly distributed and independently from the boxes.
For any existing God, the chance that one box does not contain them = 50%
So, for 4 boxes: chance that none of the boxes contain the God =
Now compute for each case:
Case 1: Neither exists Probability = 0.25 Then none of the boxes can contain a God: certainly 0 boxes have Gods Case 2: Only A exists Probability = 0.25 Chance that none of the 4 boxes contain A = 0.0625 So, chance at least one box contains A = 1 - 0.0625 = 0.9375 Case 3: Only B exists Same as above: Probability = 0.25, chance at least one box contains B = 0.9375 Case 4: Both A and B exist Probability = 0.25 For each box: chance that it does not contain A or B = 0.5 (miss A) × 0.5 (miss B) = 0.25 So for 4 boxes: chance none of them contain A or B = So, chance at least one box has A or B = 1 - 0.00390625 = 0.99609375 Step 3: Combine all cases P(\text{at least one box has a God}) = (0.25 \times 0) + (0.25 \times 0.9375) + (0.25 \times 0.9375) + (0.25 \times 0.99609375) = 0 + 0.234375 + 0.234375 + 0.2490234375 = \boxed{0.7177734375} Final Answer:
There is approximately a 71.78% chance that at least one of the 4 boxes contains one of the two Gods.
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@FLRW
I asked AI and it agreed with me.
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Another version is that God in each minute has 50% chance to create himself out of nothing. So after 5 minutes, we get this:
This is a probability problem involving repeated independent events over time.
Let’s define the problem more precisely:
There is a 50% (i.e., 0.5) chance per minute that God is created out of nothing.
We want to find the probability that this happens at some point within 5 minutes.
Step-by-step:
The easiest way to calculate this is to first compute the probability that God is not created in any given minute, and then use that to find the probability he is not created in any of the 5 minutes.
Probability God is not created in one minute:
Probability God is not created in 5 minutes:
Therefore, the probability that God is created at least once in 5 minutes:
Final Answer:
96.875% chance that God is created out of nothing within 5 minutes.
Do you want to visualize this probability growing over time?
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Here is AI on those boxes:
I asked AI:
"If there are two Gods and each have 50% chance to exist and each of them occupy 50% of all space, then if I have 4 boxes in my room, what are the chances of at least one box containing one of those two Gods?"
AI answer. Just skip to the answer at the end.
Let's break this down step by step using probabilities:
Given: Two Gods (A and B). Each has a 50% chance to exist independently. If they exist, each occupies 50% of all space (not necessarily mutually exclusive). There are 4 boxes in your room.
You want the probability that at least one of the 4 boxes contains one of the two Gods.
Step 1: Enumerate possible existence scenarios:
There are 3 relevant possibilities:
Neither A nor B exists: Probability = 0.5 × 0.5 = 0.25 Only A exists: Probability = 0.5 × 0.5 = 0.25 Only B exists: Probability = 0.5 × 0.5 = 0.25 Both A and B exist: Probability = 0.5 × 0.5 = 0.25 Step 2: For each existence case, compute the chance that none of the 4 boxes contain a God.
Let’s assume "occupies 50% of all space" means randomly distributed and independently from the boxes.
For any existing God, the chance that one box does not contain them = 50%
So, for 4 boxes: chance that none of the boxes contain the God =
Now compute for each case:
Case 1: Neither exists Probability = 0.25 Then none of the boxes can contain a God: certainly 0 boxes have Gods Case 2: Only A exists Probability = 0.25 Chance that none of the 4 boxes contain A = 0.0625 So, chance at least one box contains A = 1 - 0.0625 = 0.9375 Case 3: Only B exists Same as above: Probability = 0.25, chance at least one box contains B = 0.9375 Case 4: Both A and B exist Probability = 0.25 For each box: chance that it does not contain A or B = 0.5 (miss A) × 0.5 (miss B) = 0.25 So for 4 boxes: chance none of them contain A or B = So, chance at least one box has A or B = 1 - 0.00390625 = 0.99609375 Step 3: Combine all cases P(\text{at least one box has a God}) = (0.25 \times 0) + (0.25 \times 0.9375) + (0.25 \times 0.9375) + (0.25 \times 0.99609375) = 0 + 0.234375 + 0.234375 + 0.2490234375 = \boxed{0.7177734375} Final Answer:
There is approximately a 71.78% chance that at least one of the 4 boxes contains one of the two Gods.
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