Per my previous comments. I'll assume you'd have no reason to know that 'black' deals go down everyday communicating like you insist on. Shady business that.
Ah, wasn't even thinking of that, close to my own practical priority, but I think my arguments would apply to self-development too. With science on the board I don't see much else as being independent or primary.
My claim is essentially that science is learning. No, I don't. Science is extremely broad; that's just why science is the only thing that makes sense but I'm sure RM will not take it lying down. All the others are preference. I see RM's argument for power. If all knowledge were equal then power would make the most sense to argue for. The others could be something you really enjoy more than anything... actually that's not a bad case.
I may look at others for an option but I would pick science first and power second in the context of a debate.
You're thinking of a lab. Every form of experimentation that fits the description is by definition science. Science is the method used to learn at the fundamental level that is all. They did not call it science but an ape that could talk was not just talk. It was probably an early development to point and grunt. How was this accomplish this? he observed the natural world and tested various methods to get people to focus on the same area he was. It's a simple task but it still involved intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic (even rudimentary such as guess and check), experimentation and observation.
I can't remember when the scientific method was formalized but find a way of learning that does not meet these basic features. This is why early uses of the word just used science as a synonym for knowledge.
Complex animals use the exact same skills to learn for the most part. They have no concept of language so no they do not call it science. You can argue there is instinct at some point. Many insects appear to instinctively do complex tasks but learning is the scientific process. It's only more formalized and organized in a lab.
Well, in context I was referring to power you could gain. I mention that a lot of power is provided by luck. Assuming equal luck power that you can gain is all created by science.
Blackmail: language and all ideas stem from a the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment. There is simply no other way to identify something new. Even guess and check or other random experiments and observations combine to form all knowledge. Do you think Helen Keller understood blackmail being def and blind without language?
She probably did but perhaps slower than those who can stand on the observations of the past. She would learn by testing different options until she could say, scream until she got a food she liked. It took a process of observation, test, repeat. She likely screamed several times before she realized her family would get agitated and through trial and error realized how she could use their discomfort to her advantage.
To even use your brute strength example. A a baby uses a scientific process to learn to move, walk pick up objects. Their would be no power for a baby's mind inside a muscular man. He would not be able to stand much less walk until a long process of observation and experimentation.
That's pretty amazing gotta tell you but the lists was how you do it how fun!.. I mean creepy as fk that you bother... then amazing again! I post odd manic and get the playlists in 4 hours that is fking amazing... Can't believe it's that easy for you. I Seriously, just thought I was high... as fk the first time but you've got the time on your hands after all. Is this a reddit thing?! Ugh... jealous right now so jealous. No way I could pull that off.
Well good thoughts. I think a lot of your arguments apply to my case as you've suggested of the basic case I put forward. I'll post my argument later I'm exhausted so I need to look at it again.
"Opposite when I speak about how frustrated about afterwards I just feel worse."
To me it's gospel but an effect can take a month or more. For someone who has difficultly a lot longer. We are all one with nature but that means something very different to zen types apparently. Neo, 'realize there is no you' type thing.
Meditation is some high level mental shite I expect. I'm sure you can get some great use out of it. All I've managed to do is fly which I can barely control and end up plummeting to the ground usually. I get it occasionally and am plagued by sleep paralysis. There are a lot of odd common sleep disorders.
Yes, It's very difficult. Luckily prayer is a similar practice. I have spent 10 min just frustrated in some aggravating thought I was having but still feel better afterwards. Currently, I can normally clear my head. I do like mindfulness practice that encourages you to just observe your thought and emotions they arrive like an event in the brain. This form of meta cognition makes it much easier to let the thought or emotion go. Other forms of meditation encourage you to focus on another positive but I that it more difficult as trying not to think a thought does. It's much easier try to focus on a thought like you're observing an event in the brain. It disappears fairly quickly.
I take your point, but I like trying to understand why things have mass appeal. I doubt gardening will suddenly take off but some 'gurus' have tried to market it in retreats and some hippies like it. If suddenly it becomes a major fad I'd probably guess it was the whole green thing but if it baffled me I definitely would... spend my afternoons gardening.
I practice mindfulness meditation 20min twice a day. I can't recommend it enough to remain clear headed, calm and peaceful. It's how I recaptured they 'spirituality' I lost from my life several years ago. I clearly have a need for it so I highly recommend it.
Yes, nice mix. I like to play a few games a year and Nier Automata is on my list. I also like to hit the top, selling movies show genres and music etc. I'm normally curious why we like what we like or why things sell. If I look at something for a long time it's usually because it puzzles me in some way.
Ants are sentient on some level. They have practiced behaviors, avoid pain and cooperate as collective. This does not make it immoral to step on them. It's clearly a level of awareness we are talking about when describing morality, not the flat base existence of it in other creatures.
You've missed my point. Stating that something is immoral does not make it so and it's a topic I'm concerned with understanding. A quick death means nothing if you have to spend your life aware that this is your lot in life and that you're just sitting around waiting for it to feed your captors and knowing that your whole family will suffer watching this and then have to endure the same suffering.
Cows, for instance, do not endure this because of their limited awareness. It's that simple. That's why this is not generally considered immoral.
While we do not need meat the pleasure increased by eating it is so intense that the majority will never stop. What will perhaps prevent this practice is meat grown in labs or delicious meat substitutes like the impossible burger.
Their lack of awareness demise is imminent makes the suffering small. A quick death would make this all completed in a neat package. The suffering we cause animals in factory farming is intense but that's another issue.
Apes have been eating meat for around 6 million years, as long as apes basically. That we know how to grow plants effectively does not change our nature. A small modicum of consciousness does not make other animals equivalent to us or entitle them to the same rights...
sigh, now that I've revealed my bias does not mean I don't still want to read and vote on this. A sad reality we live in.
no proof. It's just something I'd read. I went to wikipedia to confirm it is all. When I realize I'm depressing recently I listen to this some. sit back, close your eyes and try it at 0:50:
I was expressing personal preference. I was not bold describing my error because humans have trouble expressing when they've made mistakes. Nihilism was start of my progress from Christianity and the clip was just my favorite show which it related to our discussion her.. Pessimism is a philosophy supported more broadly in Europe. GL in your debate, I'll check it out.
I wan acknowledging a mistake. I saw it was a Nietzsche quote base on my first google search. He was a philosopher that heavily infuluenced my life so it's sad that I'd confuse a quote like that. Still, modern media wins:
Hey cliche: 'he who fights with monster's should take care.' I stumbled on this guy because I thought I could win this debate but I would not talk to him on the regular.
I was planning on voting but you so often insist on it. seriously, I'm just struggling to get some coffee in me and your singular goal is to get a vote out of me XD... please respect the coffee.
I see. I'll spend a brief time thinking about how to destroy your arguments and then spare no thought for you. While I have you here, what other insults did you come up with. It seems like the one thing you do have a talent for like a Koala eats poison plant leaves or a spider catches insects.
After Type1's round one 'argument' I was not sure why I bothered to join the site but your legitimate response, to such a casual topic, has made me conlude that I'll have a lot of fun on this site.
That said, my science position will trounce your power position ;) get ready.
I did not find your argument at all informative, even being interested in the topic, so I encouraged you to offer before so I did not Have to take up my own time building some kind of discussion here. given that you're Pro, have the burden and appear more interested in the topic I thought this was entirely fair. Given all this you choose the most inflammatory insult you can think of to antagonize me.
Is that all fair or did you have more to contribute to this comment debate?
Cunt? That's really a bold use of language particularly when pandering to voters just for conduct points having not explained all the ways Marx is productive in his crusade against capitalism.
You're a funny little spitfuck. Your conspiratorial bet is evidenced in your profile photo. That's all I was saying.
Harvard specifically has higher entrance criteria for asians because they generally perform better in ways that would get them into harvard. In contrast, Blacks can have a low math score, like the 94th percentile, and still gain entrance to MIT which puts them at a severe disadvantage automatically being underprepared for the curriculum.
When people are so frail that they have to make up fairy tails that violate every law of the universe just to get through the God Damn day I get sad and lose hope in humanity.
Jesus has nothing to do with your personally and unprovoked combative discussion that you are thoroughly enjoying. While I love to have a new hole torn, particularly in the brain, I'm certain you're not a guy that is capable of this in any arena.
Hmm, hilarious but you really have a terrible thing going here. My personal position is that capitalism is as old as humans, vital, intrinsic and it is not going anywhere. That people morally object to basic facts about us is a rejection of what it is to be human which is a sad expression of self loathing. Capitalism is a description of reality not an ideology.
When planning to be constantly insulting, without real provocation, and spending the few short seconds it takes me to type thinking of the nature, veracity and appeal of said insults I have a great appreciation that my skull is, in fact, titanium and my heart is as well. It's an aluminum alloy.
I am retarded but I'm more concerned as to why you would fear this. That I'm mentally incapable of accepting Marx's childish black and white, self exculpatory visions of the market due to my disabilities is just a fact of life. You have no tangible reasons to be afraid.
I see. Well, while you're mastering all I'll continue to focus on self-mastery but the result is the same in terms of debate prep I guess. 'Plan some, improvise some' should be the human motto.
Hey, I just discovered PragerU. An insignificant historical footnote. That's exactly the language I'd use for Marx. Capitalism is as useful as it is and is always present even in the communist utopian world constructed my Marx's enlightened religious dogma.
Cool, you're not sticking to your debate title. Personally, I think capitalism is helpful and necessary. I'll try to castrate Marx in my argument as I don't think he was particularly thoughtful in general. Remember, your resolution is about Marx and his view.
I'm not a fan of Marx's Communist Manifesto, which reads like a religious document, or am I convinced his demonization of capitalism which is essentially confirmed as the most efficient system to utilize market resources no matter what general form of government is used. Still, I am looking forward to your response.
Shit, well posting early knowing I was ignoring the site until the last day was excellent strategy. Congrats on that.
Per my previous comments. I'll assume you'd have no reason to know that 'black' deals go down everyday communicating like you insist on. Shady business that.
Is this your boat?... reference
https://www.amazon.com/Whose-Boat-This-Aftermath-Hurricane/dp/1982121084/ref=asc_df_1982121084/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312057360383&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=6676387839142467313&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9030038&hvtargid=pla-569410034604&psc=1
Ah, wasn't even thinking of that, close to my own practical priority, but I think my arguments would apply to self-development too. With science on the board I don't see much else as being independent or primary.
My claim is essentially that science is learning. No, I don't. Science is extremely broad; that's just why science is the only thing that makes sense but I'm sure RM will not take it lying down. All the others are preference. I see RM's argument for power. If all knowledge were equal then power would make the most sense to argue for. The others could be something you really enjoy more than anything... actually that's not a bad case.
I may look at others for an option but I would pick science first and power second in the context of a debate.
You're thinking of a lab. Every form of experimentation that fits the description is by definition science. Science is the method used to learn at the fundamental level that is all. They did not call it science but an ape that could talk was not just talk. It was probably an early development to point and grunt. How was this accomplish this? he observed the natural world and tested various methods to get people to focus on the same area he was. It's a simple task but it still involved intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic (even rudimentary such as guess and check), experimentation and observation.
I can't remember when the scientific method was formalized but find a way of learning that does not meet these basic features. This is why early uses of the word just used science as a synonym for knowledge.
Complex animals use the exact same skills to learn for the most part. They have no concept of language so no they do not call it science. You can argue there is instinct at some point. Many insects appear to instinctively do complex tasks but learning is the scientific process. It's only more formalized and organized in a lab.
Well, in context I was referring to power you could gain. I mention that a lot of power is provided by luck. Assuming equal luck power that you can gain is all created by science.
Blackmail: language and all ideas stem from a the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment. There is simply no other way to identify something new. Even guess and check or other random experiments and observations combine to form all knowledge. Do you think Helen Keller understood blackmail being def and blind without language?
She probably did but perhaps slower than those who can stand on the observations of the past. She would learn by testing different options until she could say, scream until she got a food she liked. It took a process of observation, test, repeat. She likely screamed several times before she realized her family would get agitated and through trial and error realized how she could use their discomfort to her advantage.
To even use your brute strength example. A a baby uses a scientific process to learn to move, walk pick up objects. Their would be no power for a baby's mind inside a muscular man. He would not be able to stand much less walk until a long process of observation and experimentation.
Hmmm, k now I see it's pretty simple.
Mind so blown... still 'the king' though. I mean you're not Elvis.
That's pretty amazing gotta tell you but the lists was how you do it how fun!.. I mean creepy as fk that you bother... then amazing again! I post odd manic and get the playlists in 4 hours that is fking amazing... Can't believe it's that easy for you. I Seriously, just thought I was high... as fk the first time but you've got the time on your hands after all. Is this a reddit thing?! Ugh... jealous right now so jealous. No way I could pull that off.
Well good thoughts. I think a lot of your arguments apply to my case as you've suggested of the basic case I put forward. I'll post my argument later I'm exhausted so I need to look at it again.
"Opposite when I speak about how frustrated about afterwards I just feel worse."
To me it's gospel but an effect can take a month or more. For someone who has difficultly a lot longer. We are all one with nature but that means something very different to zen types apparently. Neo, 'realize there is no you' type thing.
Meditation is some high level mental shite I expect. I'm sure you can get some great use out of it. All I've managed to do is fly which I can barely control and end up plummeting to the ground usually. I get it occasionally and am plagued by sleep paralysis. There are a lot of odd common sleep disorders.
Yes, It's very difficult. Luckily prayer is a similar practice. I have spent 10 min just frustrated in some aggravating thought I was having but still feel better afterwards. Currently, I can normally clear my head. I do like mindfulness practice that encourages you to just observe your thought and emotions they arrive like an event in the brain. This form of meta cognition makes it much easier to let the thought or emotion go. Other forms of meditation encourage you to focus on another positive but I that it more difficult as trying not to think a thought does. It's much easier try to focus on a thought like you're observing an event in the brain. It disappears fairly quickly.
I take your point, but I like trying to understand why things have mass appeal. I doubt gardening will suddenly take off but some 'gurus' have tried to market it in retreats and some hippies like it. If suddenly it becomes a major fad I'd probably guess it was the whole green thing but if it baffled me I definitely would... spend my afternoons gardening.
I practice mindfulness meditation 20min twice a day. I can't recommend it enough to remain clear headed, calm and peaceful. It's how I recaptured they 'spirituality' I lost from my life several years ago. I clearly have a need for it so I highly recommend it.
Yes, nice mix. I like to play a few games a year and Nier Automata is on my list. I also like to hit the top, selling movies show genres and music etc. I'm normally curious why we like what we like or why things sell. If I look at something for a long time it's usually because it puzzles me in some way.
Ants are sentient on some level. They have practiced behaviors, avoid pain and cooperate as collective. This does not make it immoral to step on them. It's clearly a level of awareness we are talking about when describing morality, not the flat base existence of it in other creatures.
Ok, talk to you later.
You've missed my point. Stating that something is immoral does not make it so and it's a topic I'm concerned with understanding. A quick death means nothing if you have to spend your life aware that this is your lot in life and that you're just sitting around waiting for it to feed your captors and knowing that your whole family will suffer watching this and then have to endure the same suffering.
Cows, for instance, do not endure this because of their limited awareness. It's that simple. That's why this is not generally considered immoral.
While we do not need meat the pleasure increased by eating it is so intense that the majority will never stop. What will perhaps prevent this practice is meat grown in labs or delicious meat substitutes like the impossible burger.
Their lack of awareness demise is imminent makes the suffering small. A quick death would make this all completed in a neat package. The suffering we cause animals in factory farming is intense but that's another issue.
Apes have been eating meat for around 6 million years, as long as apes basically. That we know how to grow plants effectively does not change our nature. A small modicum of consciousness does not make other animals equivalent to us or entitle them to the same rights...
sigh, now that I've revealed my bias does not mean I don't still want to read and vote on this. A sad reality we live in.
no proof. It's just something I'd read. I went to wikipedia to confirm it is all. When I realize I'm depressing recently I listen to this some. sit back, close your eyes and try it at 0:50:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdpvj_iVAFk
I was expressing personal preference. I was not bold describing my error because humans have trouble expressing when they've made mistakes. Nihilism was start of my progress from Christianity and the clip was just my favorite show which it related to our discussion her.. Pessimism is a philosophy supported more broadly in Europe. GL in your debate, I'll check it out.
I wan acknowledging a mistake. I saw it was a Nietzsche quote base on my first google search. He was a philosopher that heavily infuluenced my life so it's sad that I'd confuse a quote like that. Still, modern media wins:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oX2xFo7JA4
Mark Twain was far superior to Nietzsche so it just stands to reason the he made the quote. These are just facts bro.
It was Mark Twain I think but I did steal it from you to make a point here.
Hey cliche: 'he who fights with monster's should take care.' I stumbled on this guy because I thought I could win this debate but I would not talk to him on the regular.
wth is this. please let me have a debate like this.
All right all right. Champagne cocaine gasoline and everything in between.
Don't threaten me with a good time.
Yes, I will back science which is vary much in character for me.
Now I want to back art and entertainment as well since you just dropped that as a challenge.
I was planning on voting but you so often insist on it. seriously, I'm just struggling to get some coffee in me and your singular goal is to get a vote out of me XD... please respect the coffee.
I see. I'll spend a brief time thinking about how to destroy your arguments and then spare no thought for you. While I have you here, what other insults did you come up with. It seems like the one thing you do have a talent for like a Koala eats poison plant leaves or a spider catches insects.
Are you an advocate of free will?? If so that's a topic I'd like to debate.
After Type1's round one 'argument' I was not sure why I bothered to join the site but your legitimate response, to such a casual topic, has made me conlude that I'll have a lot of fun on this site.
That said, my science position will trounce your power position ;) get ready.
I did not find your argument at all informative, even being interested in the topic, so I encouraged you to offer before so I did not Have to take up my own time building some kind of discussion here. given that you're Pro, have the burden and appear more interested in the topic I thought this was entirely fair. Given all this you choose the most inflammatory insult you can think of to antagonize me.
Is that all fair or did you have more to contribute to this comment debate?
Cunt? That's really a bold use of language particularly when pandering to voters just for conduct points having not explained all the ways Marx is productive in his crusade against capitalism.
You're a funny little spitfuck. Your conspiratorial bet is evidenced in your profile photo. That's all I was saying.
ahh, I was correct.
Thanks, I'll Try it. Your conspiracy eye pyramid suits you.
Still refusing to elaborate eh? All right, I guess I'll build a case in the negative but you really haven't established your own.
Harvard specifically has higher entrance criteria for asians because they generally perform better in ways that would get them into harvard. In contrast, Blacks can have a low math score, like the 94th percentile, and still gain entrance to MIT which puts them at a severe disadvantage automatically being underprepared for the curriculum.
Awful how unintended consequences work.
When people are so frail that they have to make up fairy tails that violate every law of the universe just to get through the God Damn day I get sad and lose hope in humanity.
I'm thinking about brunch on Thursday, did you want to join me at First Watch Typo?
Jesus has nothing to do with your personally and unprovoked combative discussion that you are thoroughly enjoying. While I love to have a new hole torn, particularly in the brain, I'm certain you're not a guy that is capable of this in any arena.
I'll get to it when I get to it.
Hmm, hilarious but you really have a terrible thing going here. My personal position is that capitalism is as old as humans, vital, intrinsic and it is not going anywhere. That people morally object to basic facts about us is a rejection of what it is to be human which is a sad expression of self loathing. Capitalism is a description of reality not an ideology.
When planning to be constantly insulting, without real provocation, and spending the few short seconds it takes me to type thinking of the nature, veracity and appeal of said insults I have a great appreciation that my skull is, in fact, titanium and my heart is as well. It's an aluminum alloy.
I am retarded but I'm more concerned as to why you would fear this. That I'm mentally incapable of accepting Marx's childish black and white, self exculpatory visions of the market due to my disabilities is just a fact of life. You have no tangible reasons to be afraid.
I see. Well, while you're mastering all I'll continue to focus on self-mastery but the result is the same in terms of debate prep I guess. 'Plan some, improvise some' should be the human motto.
Hey, I just discovered PragerU. An insignificant historical footnote. That's exactly the language I'd use for Marx. Capitalism is as useful as it is and is always present even in the communist utopian world constructed my Marx's enlightened religious dogma.
your title was heavily dependent on Marx. I only need to destroy his view to get a win.
Interesting resolution. Did you have a plan when instigating it? Looking forward to your argument.
Cool, you're not sticking to your debate title. Personally, I think capitalism is helpful and necessary. I'll try to castrate Marx in my argument as I don't think he was particularly thoughtful in general. Remember, your resolution is about Marx and his view.
I'm not a fan of Marx's Communist Manifesto, which reads like a religious document, or am I convinced his demonization of capitalism which is essentially confirmed as the most efficient system to utilize market resources no matter what general form of government is used. Still, I am looking forward to your response.