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@Stephen
Christians are haughty people. They believe that they have the monopoly on morals and integrity and social values simply because they believe in a god. They wouldn't entertain the idea that an atheist can posses any of these things.
I thoroughly agree. Where did the Bible get its morals?
From the societal, cultural and family values of the day when it was written of course just as an atheist or secular society sets morals in tune with the times.
As society and civilisation (presumably) move forward with the zeitgeist of time so do morals change and the problem with Christianity is that it still adheres to many morals that were valid in a more barbaric and primitive society.
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@RoderickSpode
So I don't think anyone should be too shocked to find the creator of the universe has a similar sense of justice. That infractions have consequences both in this dimension, and the next.
I think it is not so much a sense of justice.
We are talking about an invisible master who is completely obscure, unresolved and ambiguous and has only allegedly vaguely and anecdotally communicated with a handful of people more than two thousand years ago.
And the one infraction that (supposedly) attracts the ultimate penalty of eternal damnation is failing to believe in such a master.
Why should it be an injustice for somebody to be a pillar of society yet reasonably, rationally and intelligently not believe in God?
Yet, oh blow me down, if a Christian commits heinous crimes all his life (and, yes it does happen) he gets to go to Heaven so long as he closes his eyes and prays for forgiveness.
Justice alright!
Not.
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@Stephen
See post #21
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So you don't have any evidence for your original claim then.
the difference is that god of the Koran HIMSELF DIRECTLY instructs his followers.....So lets stop going in circles. the only way that you can stop your nonsense or mine, is for you to simply put up the evidence that I have requested from you above.
You may want to calm down a bit and realise the fact that I did supply the evidence as per post #17 and further illustrated the point in another post.
And as I mentioned before, it doesn't matter a rat's behind whether one scripture gives a direct instruction or an instruction that is delegated and relegated through veiled words and deception. Both religions have proven themselves to incite violence, are corrupt, prejudiced and harbour hatred bigotry.
It is a common excuse for Christians to dismiss the Old Testament and state: "Oh, no we only follow the New Testament because Jesus was peace-loving and I am all so squeaky clean and those other religions are really bad-arsed and evil".
We've heard it all time and again from both (all) sides...."My religion is the best and real".
I say crap; you are all as bad as each other and, as an outsider, I can look at each religion making the same claim against each other, the fighting never ends as indeed it never will so long as followers (such as you have done) arrogantly display contempt and hatred towards others.
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@Barney
I'm sorry that after nearly a month you're having trouble with the link.
I bet you are.
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