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@Swagnarok
Note that "conversion" is not one of these.
Many denominations coerce members into converting their relatives, family and friends into the faith.
For example, some of the new age Churches use guilt as a tool by telling members that if they do not convert their friends they will not enter the kningdom of God.
Recruitment is rife in Churches without the need for God to convert the masses.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
The reality is that nowadays all that Christians get during communion is pieces of dried-p loaves donated by Bakers Delight and raspberry cordial.
And you know what raspberry cordial does, don't you?
Is it any wonder why churchgoers run around like headless chooks at the end of service cackling out loud, "God is great. Bless you, I feel the love" all damned Sunday?
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@fauxlaw
Don't you think that rather than the Bible being horribly wrong, an easy assumption to make, that you are just ignoring that it may have been told from a different perspective than yours? Is the important point that creation occurred, or s it that it occurred over 6x24-hour periods? Take a choice; it's yours to take.
The Bible may have been written from a different perspective but that in no way validates the information contained in it.
The Bible was written in times when people were highly superstitious and fanciful stories and exaggerated accounts were the norm. Whether or not there was any spec of truth was irrelevant, people believed what the old scribes said through Chinese whispers.
The fact is that nowadays we have free access to mountains of reliable, credible information and the accuracy of such information has completely overturned the accounts of creation as given by the Bible.
All that creationists can do is kowtow to solid scientific facts and come up with propositions such as, "Well, the Bible said that all along because 1 week to God is 11.5 billion man years, oh, and when the Bible said God took a piece of clay, what the Bible meant was that God caused minerals and chemical compounds to chemically and covalently react with heat and catalytic compounds to form a living cell. It's just that the Bible wanted to put it into simple words you see".
Sure....and pull the other one.
There is no escaping the fact that the Bible is simply wrong and looking at it from different perspectives gives it not one inch of added credibility except to those who want it to.
I am quite prepared to believe aspects of the Bible regarding creation proven to be true through thorough and proper research.
Have you investigated the collective venture capital companies set up (receiving billions of dollars of funding from religious organisations) that I mentioned? Their exhaustive research must surely have yielded some positive results by now. Worth looking into.
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@EtrnlVw
I think you are making an argument that is pure assumption and speculation and you certainly have not come up with any evidence that any natural process is due to intelligence.But, I'm arguing that gravitation is an aspect of creation. That was the whole point behind my proposition. In other words no "natural" processes or phenomenon would occur without an intelligence behind that process
In fact, scientific research has proven that all life evolved through natural selection and there is no evidence whatsoever of any intelligent intervention.
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