I suspect (though I'm not sure) that there is a problem with how the voting rules are here. When giving an RFD in formal debate, you typically don't have to address all of the args or even the args in general. You have to say what the deciding factor was in the round and why that outweighs everything else/is the deciding factor. At least that is how it is from my experience.
Do I vote based on who did the superior rapping in the battle or who established the better case for the state being good/bad? I believe it's the former, but I am just checking.
"Interesting for sure, but I definitely wouldn’t recommend going that route because of your line “distinctively male or female” and transference to philosophy, which is Edge’s forte. You probably have to bring it back to social theory or something to avoid getting refuted by Edge."
Edge doesn't have a monopoly on philosophical debate skills.
I was kidding. I would tell you the point of the joke (if you don't already get it) but I don't feel that it'd be appropriate given that the debate is still in the voting period.
Also, communism's end goal is the abolition of the state. So if you're saying that communism is authoritarian you must be saying that in some nontraditional sense.
I actually think pro can easily win here given the definition he provided for the debate.
Per his definition, "pedophilia" is only a feeling. Feelings aren't immoral by themselves, they're completely uncontrollable.
In this case, pedophilia is so gruesomely immoral because the action is so harmful. The feeling isn't - of course it could become immoral if you don't get proper treatment for it.
Yeah, I know he raps well. But it's not that interesting. No one will be talking about MTBMB it in a year. GKMC, on the other hand, was released in 2013 and it is still a very talked about album. It's because there's more to rap than just being able to spit bars.
"Far greater" no. Kendrick's last three full length albums have always been hailed as the greatest albums of their respective year, for good reason. Kanye's not as consistient, but he has plenty of great projects.
Drake not a chance. I am fairly confident that there is not a single "great" Drake album. Maybe some hot singles. Bu Drake projects as a whole are very middling.
But kendrick wins discography, depth, variety, versatility...
Eminem is an extremely impressive rapper, don't get me wrong; MMLP is one of my favorite albums. But ever since The Eminem Show, Em's lyrical talents have never been put to use in any very significant way. Most modern Eminem music is just him rapping well, which is fine because that's what a lot of rappers do and he does it better than most of them, but I'd honestly rather listen to Playboi Carti than Eminem in this day and age because his music is just more entertaining and he hasn't been doing more of the same for the past 20 years.
Kendrick is good for a different reason then Eminem. Unlike the short "pop" you get after Eminem says something clever, Kendrick's music makes you think far past the length of an Em verse. Take this early Kendrick song (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n5r6N7grNA) for example. Even when he's just rambling, his incredible sense of confidence, understanding, and depth is put on full display.
I have to question how anyone could come to the conclusion that Eminem is a better rap artist than Kendrick this decade.
I also have to question how people could think that Juice WRLD or J. Cole are even close.
To be clear, Kendrick Lamar is basically a "living legend". When he dies we'll remember him much like we did Big and Pac. Putting Kendrick Lamar on a list with any new school rapper is just silly until one of them makes the accomplishments neccesary to do so.
I think you're failing to distinguish between a typical police encounter and a protest/riot. Usually, police encounters don't result in violence. Now people are directly against them, and they're responding with what can only be described as fascistic brutality. There's police putting people into unmarked cars and driving them away. There's disorganized forces of officers wandering around, randomly shooting rubber bullets and tear gas, and occasionally hitting/deliberately attacking or arresting reporters or those taking video.
I don't know what you're talking about with regard to my version of utopia. I'm not actually an anarchist lol.
I'd add, too, that being patronizing towards people you're arguing with is probably not the best course of action.
Yeah, you're right. They're more like bullies. I call them anarchists because they reasonlessly beat people and do not follow the rules that they're supposed to.
Thank you for voting! I'll take the advice you gave me regarding giving ground into account for future debates. I've been told before that conceding a lot early in this debate is probably a bad idea.
I'm sorry man... I just don't think that with a day/2 days left I'd be able to read through the debate, formulate my opinions and cast a reliably good vote. I am a very slow and distracted reader, I have trouble summing up large args and am super OCD about the whole thing too. Hope you understand :(
I suspect (though I'm not sure) that there is a problem with how the voting rules are here. When giving an RFD in formal debate, you typically don't have to address all of the args or even the args in general. You have to say what the deciding factor was in the round and why that outweighs everything else/is the deciding factor. At least that is how it is from my experience.
You are not supposed to submit your arguments in the comments
I was swayed by his poem
I think Quinn may win this
I'm looking forward to reading this.
No problem. You both did an excellent job, to reiterate. I can't think of a better rap battle as of recent.
Do I vote based on who did the superior rapping in the battle or who established the better case for the state being good/bad? I believe it's the former, but I am just checking.
I will try to vote during my free time tomorrow. Just remind me if I don't.
Systemic racism debates are difficult. I honestly give you credit for just making a strong effort here, and I haven't even read the debate lmao
"Interesting for sure, but I definitely wouldn’t recommend going that route because of your line “distinctively male or female” and transference to philosophy, which is Edge’s forte. You probably have to bring it back to social theory or something to avoid getting refuted by Edge."
Edge doesn't have a monopoly on philosophical debate skills.
I actually can see a strategy here... I won't say what it is.
I think I could win this.
based*
wish i could vote on this, but have school
I was kidding. I would tell you the point of the joke (if you don't already get it) but I don't feel that it'd be appropriate given that the debate is still in the voting period.
Any statement "X speech should be outlawed in the USA" should be outlawed in the USA
Oh come on. It's clearly a misleading title.
Probably would've voted for con if he didn't drop his own shell in the last round. Now I'm not reading this whole thing.
Where's the kritik?
stop banning kritiks in ur rounds
Marxism is communist...
Also, communism's end goal is the abolition of the state. So if you're saying that communism is authoritarian you must be saying that in some nontraditional sense.
I'm gonna call it Tabula Rosa from now on lmao
Never before have I seen oromagi take a two vote deficit. Very interested to see this.
Holy shit. . .
Or at least that's my intuition.
Danger can exist without choice. Immorality cannot.
I actually think pro can easily win here given the definition he provided for the debate.
Per his definition, "pedophilia" is only a feeling. Feelings aren't immoral by themselves, they're completely uncontrollable.
In this case, pedophilia is so gruesomely immoral because the action is so harmful. The feeling isn't - of course it could become immoral if you don't get proper treatment for it.
Disillusioned isn't the right word. More like skeptical.
I'm growing increasingly disillusioned with the movement itself
Yeah, I know he raps well. But it's not that interesting. No one will be talking about MTBMB it in a year. GKMC, on the other hand, was released in 2013 and it is still a very talked about album. It's because there's more to rap than just being able to spit bars.
"Far greater" no. Kendrick's last three full length albums have always been hailed as the greatest albums of their respective year, for good reason. Kanye's not as consistient, but he has plenty of great projects.
Drake not a chance. I am fairly confident that there is not a single "great" Drake album. Maybe some hot singles. Bu Drake projects as a whole are very middling.
But kendrick wins discography, depth, variety, versatility...
Eminem is an extremely impressive rapper, don't get me wrong; MMLP is one of my favorite albums. But ever since The Eminem Show, Em's lyrical talents have never been put to use in any very significant way. Most modern Eminem music is just him rapping well, which is fine because that's what a lot of rappers do and he does it better than most of them, but I'd honestly rather listen to Playboi Carti than Eminem in this day and age because his music is just more entertaining and he hasn't been doing more of the same for the past 20 years.
Kendrick is good for a different reason then Eminem. Unlike the short "pop" you get after Eminem says something clever, Kendrick's music makes you think far past the length of an Em verse. Take this early Kendrick song (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n5r6N7grNA) for example. Even when he's just rambling, his incredible sense of confidence, understanding, and depth is put on full display.
I have to question how anyone could come to the conclusion that Eminem is a better rap artist than Kendrick this decade.
I also have to question how people could think that Juice WRLD or J. Cole are even close.
To be clear, Kendrick Lamar is basically a "living legend". When he dies we'll remember him much like we did Big and Pac. Putting Kendrick Lamar on a list with any new school rapper is just silly until one of them makes the accomplishments neccesary to do so.
Anyone going to vote on this?
This should be fun to watch
I think you're failing to distinguish between a typical police encounter and a protest/riot. Usually, police encounters don't result in violence. Now people are directly against them, and they're responding with what can only be described as fascistic brutality. There's police putting people into unmarked cars and driving them away. There's disorganized forces of officers wandering around, randomly shooting rubber bullets and tear gas, and occasionally hitting/deliberately attacking or arresting reporters or those taking video.
I don't know what you're talking about with regard to my version of utopia. I'm not actually an anarchist lol.
I'd add, too, that being patronizing towards people you're arguing with is probably not the best course of action.
Yeah, you're right. They're more like bullies. I call them anarchists because they reasonlessly beat people and do not follow the rules that they're supposed to.
Yeah. You too, right?
Unpopular opinion: The peaceful protestors are the forces of law and order and the unmarked police are the forces of anarchy
and God bless anarchy
thanks man
Thanks for the debate man, it was a good one
20 min left bump. This will be the final bump.
Thank you for voting! I'll take the advice you gave me regarding giving ground into account for future debates. I've been told before that conceding a lot early in this debate is probably a bad idea.
I could give it a shot ig but i'd be very unlikely to vote.
I'm sorry man... I just don't think that with a day/2 days left I'd be able to read through the debate, formulate my opinions and cast a reliably good vote. I am a very slow and distracted reader, I have trouble summing up large args and am super OCD about the whole thing too. Hope you understand :(
"Yes, but commentary is outside of debate rounds, and I've completed my rounds."
Right....
I guess I'm just worried that potential voters would be influenced by your comment. Not neccesarily RM.
Didn't you tell me not to influence voters outside of the debate rounds?
Thank you for voting!
Does this count as an FF
I'm sorry?