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Why does everyone think the Raven's have this in the bag? This is the by-the-numbers best team in the league, receiving all the analysis and hype - it's a perfect opportunity for the Raven's offense to potentially choke in in the playoffs, and I say this as someone who loves the Ravens.
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This is just awful. We are now escalating towards war because of Trump's absurd actions and the killing of one of Iran's most important figures.
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@Vader
That is the person's problem, not the religion. Then that person is an idiot. That person is not a follower of Christianity if they attack you.
Which person?
The Bible is far from peaceful. I'm religious as well, but there are certain things in the Bible I cannot reconcile with my own ideas of peace and equality. The leaps and bounds people make to defend our 2,000 year old book from any charges of violence while demonizing the Qur'an is nothing short of mental gymnastics. Here are some biblical quotes:
"And utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them, But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."
"If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die. Deuteronomy 21:18-21
If a man has sex with an animal, he must be put to death, and the animal must be killed. Leviticus 20:15 NLT"
"You may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT"
"Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. Ephesians 6:5 NLT"
"Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves. Numbers 31:17-18"
"He [Josiah] executed the priests of the pagan shrines on their own altars, and he burned human bones on the altars to desecrate them.... He did this in obedience to all the laws written in the scroll that Hilkiah the priest had found in the LORD's Temple. Never before had there been a king like Josiah, who turned to the LORD with all his heart and soul and strength, obeying all the laws of Moses. And there has never been a king like him since. 2 Kings 23:20-25 NLT"In the bible, if you confess the sins that you committed, you are relieved from sin. Sinners do go to hell, but they can be relieved from the damnation and sin. And the Bible is nicer to unbelievers than the Quran is. The Quran justifies murder. Corrupt politicians that are Christian justify murder,
So unbelievers get to enjoy the fiery flames of hell unless they repent? But we're all frustrated because atheists make fun of Christians sometimes?
I vouch for making fun of everyone without an regard to racism. That is the entire point of what I am saying.
You completely miss my point - true joke equality not going to happen until the racial divide in America is reconciled, and it's really not a big deal. Also KEEP IN MIND what I said about identity politics here - both sides are willing to disparage other beliefs and groups but get offended when you disparage theirs. It's not just liberals.
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@Vader
I am not calling for a PC culture. If we mock other religions, I should be allowed to mock Islam and various other religions like they mock Christianity and call Mohammed, "Crazy Mohammed"
Okay, but here you said:
This is absolutely horrendous ideology and depiction of Jesus Christ,
which gives me the impression that this offends you. Is it only offensive because you can't do it to others? I didn't get that impression from your original post.
Then why is Christianity to blame. Christianity calls for love and peace for all, especially Orthodoxy. It is the parents fault for spreading a hateful environment and focusing it on Christianity. There anger should be with their parents, not on Jesus themselves.
We're moving the goalposts here. I'm suggesting to you that there are different reasons for people mocking Christianity than simply those hypocritical liberals. Often, when Person A is being treated poorly by Person B, Person A will often reflect their issues with not just Person B, but what Person B stood for when he treated Person A poorly. It's a human psychological phenomenon that I notice a lot. If I consistently get into car crashes as a kid due to the irresponsible driving of my parents, I'm likely going to be wary of driving as an adult, not just driving with my parents.
I'd also dispute that Christian doctrine consistently calls for love and peace for all. Annihilationism (1) and Universal Reconciliation (2) which are very dominant in Christianity both teach that sinners will enter some sort of hell or purgatory. The Bible also is not so nice to the unbelievers. (3)
True equality means we can make fun of every race or religion and have it equally valued and treated versus getting mad at other races making jokes about other races
I feel as if this just doesn't matter so much. When white Christian males discriminate against minority groups for years and years they're going to get some shit for it. The people making these white jokes are often white themselves. There will be no genocide or systematic deportation against whites. There are larger issues present in America.
Also I'd point out similar inconsistencies in the Conservative circles - often, Conservatives (especially the MAGA people) will constantly speak about the violent sections of the Qur'an, will call Mohammed a child rapist etc.; but will always be the first to get triggered about a joke against white Christian men. If you're convinced that the jokes made against white Christian guys are very important and unjustified then I'd boil it down to identity politics from there, which occur on both sides; everyone likes to make jokes about the other side but hates to hear it about their own side.
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@Vader
I'm also curious how you would want to remedy this. Should no one say offensive things about other groups ever or should it all be fair play?
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Okay fair enough. I don't a ton about British politics so I'm not really opinionated, I was just curious about one of your statements.
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@Vader
I'd like to go over some of what you said, and I don't wholly disagree with you. I think you may be right in a way that Netflix is left leaning and they defend groups that the left tends to side with and are okay with poking fun of groups that the right tends to side with. You could say this is unfair, and sure, there is some unfairness to it. I think, though, that the title of this post "Hypocritical Liberals" is not very apt here and didn't require a lot of thought since these are more complex phenomenons that just liberal hypocrisy.
1. I think white american atheists often have qualms with Christians because they've often previously been (1) Christians themselves, and have faced lots of calls for damnation and plenty of persecution by Christians in and outside of their family for leaving the religion. This happens with all religions but Christianity is still more popular than any other religion in the U.S. despite it's decline.
2. It could very well be possible that what we constitute as offensive and inoffensive in first world cultural spheres is largely based on historical context, and that's something that conservatives want to change. For a long time in our country, immigrants, African-Americans, women, non-heterosexuals, and other groups have been treated to the very short end of a very long stick, and this stick is usually pulled away by white Christian guys. Thus, we generally see it as more okay to make fun of White Christian guys than minorities. White Christian guys simply don't face the same threats that minorities do. We're not too fair to Muslim's either, given Trump's proposed ban on exclusively Muslim countries and him previously expressing a want to ban Muslims from the U.S. for a time, and I think Trump has transferred his distaste for Muslims into the Conservative public. Thus, making jokes about Islam is generally regarded as offensive.
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Yes he seems to have a wobbly past when it comes to vows /promises. But then he didn't have the massive majority that he now has
I'm genuinely curious how the quality of someone's promises improve as they amass more votes.
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@RationalMadman
Don't be offended that you wouldn't be able to enter literally one tournament because you lost some debates. I'm just trying to put a new spin on things and put debaters against other debaters that haven't faced each other yet.
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I don't have the knowledge to set up a tournament but I think this would be a good idea.
Basically you have to have won at least 2 debates and lost 0 non-troll debates to enter. Exceptions can be made.
I think this would be a good idea as there are so many good debaters on this site who haven't faced each other yet, and it would certainly create some potential HOF contenders by the end.
If you want to set up a tourney you should strongly consider this as an idea.
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"polls have no value because theyre not right 100% of the time"
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When I was younger, I was setting up e-mail for the first time (or rather a kmail (kids equivalent of gmail)). I decided that armoredcat sounded good - I have literally no idea why I thought this, but I did have a cat at the time.
Looking back, I like it.
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Personal anecdote: I wasn't his biggest fan (I liked pretty much all of his music but I didn't follow it), but I liked that he found a unique style for himself, was very soulful, and managed to make music that sounded amazing. Robbery was personal favorite of mine.
Rest well.
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@DynamicSquid
There's plenty of modern art that has plenty of effort put in. Even if it's minimalist, it may take effort just to think of the idea.
Don't be snobby or gatekeeping about art. These are typically people who are simply trying to express themselves.
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@bmdrocks21
I don't think any of those acts would work in our interest. It was rather profitable to conquer our continent, though. We could be justified in doing so, I just don't think we should.
Conquering our continent would be a terrible thing to do. And we wouldn't be justified in doing so.
Your article seems very biased based on the way that they continuously mention skin color, but I shall examine it nonetheless.
its history.com
I see a supposed genocide. They were blamed for attacks on American settlements, but the article doesn't absolve them from doing so. They may very well have done it. We won the Battle of Tippecanoe, don't see what is wrong with that. "To avenge the Creek-led massacre at Fort Mims, Jackson and his men slaughtered 186 Creeks at Tallushatchee" Seems like there was some back and forth, seems normal still. Jackson saved an Indian baby from being killed and raised it himself. How civil of him.
The U.S. had already come up with these ideas of "all people are equal, all people deserve rights", and yet they still constantly killed and murdered Indians, shipped them out of their homes, I.e. Trail of Tears, and gave them smallpox blankets. The Indians did not have these Enlightenment concepts, and we did. Yet we still mistreated them.
Even if you are willing to blame the Indians for their crimes, you still can't absolve the US of it's crimes.
There are like six more, but you get the point. There was no "genocide" as the article wants you to believe. The Indians fought decently, but lost. The Holocaust was a genocide. It was a one-way slaughter, not a series of wars that went back and forth. This is how war works, and while war may not be an amazing device, it was overall in the better interest of the world that we did this rather than let Indian tribes war with each other and live in backwards societies.
no first world country goes around shooting innocents after they win battles, and the nations that do are nationally and internationally prosecuted. And how is the Trail of Tears and such not genocidal? It was literally moving Indians out through intentionally disease infested land so Americans could take their own homes.
Would the Nazis consider winning WW2 an accomplishment? Yes. Do we consider gaining millions of acres of land in good deals and a series of wars an accomplishment? Heck yes! The only difference is we are a country that respects human rights, while Nazis don't. We currently give Natives millions of dollars and their own plantations that they can choose to live in. I doubt the Nazis would offer such liberties.
Yes but clearly that "accomplishment" would be a disaster for the rest of the world.
Imagine how they feel. They get kicked out of their homes and now they have these small little acres of land to live on.
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@bmdrocks21
I think it does matter that we for sure used the land more productively and to the aid of more people than the Natives would have
This could justify any acts of imperialism. If the UN didn't exist, would you invade Syria? The Congo? Saudi Arabia? Venezuela? North Korea? Mexico? After all, we could use the land much more productively with our 1st world democracy, standard of living, and tech.
Don't pretend like they didn't commit terrible acts against each other(scalping) and didn't attack us, either.
Two wrongs don't make a right. We've given them so much crap (https://www.history.com/news/native-americans-genocide-united-states). Is all that stuff justified just because they killed each other and attacked us?
Winning a war is an accomplishment, at least for the winning country.
So if the Nazis won WW2, it's an accomplishment?
Pre-emptively: I'm not calling anyone a Nazi, I'm drawing a comparison.
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@Imabench
@bmdrocks21
Doesn't matter. The violence that America brought on them was pretty bad dude.
bench, you have a point but still it's not like the US was good to them either. And taking over Mexican and Native American land just isn't an accomplishment to me.
I mean you don't beat someone up to prevent a worse beating from someone else
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@Imabench
Regardless, Manifest Destiny is this arbitrary irredentist concept which displaced tons of Native Americans. I'm not exactly proud of the presidents who continued it.
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@Vader
Wouldn't say it was an exoneration especially in the context of it being a supposed "leftist conspiracy theory".
Per Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mueller_Report)
Volume I of the report concludes that the investigation did not find sufficient evidence that the campaign "coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election-interference activities".[4][5] Investigators ultimately had an incomplete picture of what happened due to communications that were encrypted, deleted or unsaved, as well as testimony that was false, incomplete or declined.[6][7][8] However, the report stated that Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election was illegal and occurred "in sweeping and systematic fashion",[9][10][11] but was welcomed by the Trump campaign as it expected to benefit from such efforts.[12][13][14] It also identifies links between Trump campaign officials and individuals with ties to the Russian government,[15] about which several persons connected to the campaign made false statements and obstructed investigations.[4] Mueller later stated that his investigation's conclusion on Russian interference "deserves the attention of every American".[16]As such, the investigation "does not conclude that the President committed a crime"; however, "it also does not exonerate him",[25][26] with investigators not confident of Trump's innocence.[27][28][29][30] The report describes ten episodes where Trump could have obstructed justice while president and one before he was elected,[31][32] noting that he privately tried to "control the investigation".
Honestly, left wing vs. right wing conspiracies are not comparable. Left wing "conspiracies" are typically genuine complaints about shady things going on in the Republican establishment, right wing conspiracies are very often completely Alex-Jones-with-a-tinfoil-hat BS to provide whataboutism and a false equivalence to the Democrats. The fact that the Q-anon (or greatawakening) and Pizzagate theories, that old Bengazi stuff, the Hillary e-mails (which really were exonerated as accidental by the FBI) exist kinda prove this.
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@Imabench
annexed Texas, took a fuckton more territory in the Mexican American war that went handily in favor of the US and achieved the whole 'Manifest Destiny' goal of expanding the US to the Pacific,
These aren't really good things lol
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Do you genuinely believe black people are inferior to whites? You're aware that even the alt-right does not believe that, right? Inferiority is not an objective metric by any scientific standard.
Also, unless your Libertarianism is purely economic, you're aware that forcibly gathering up blacks and shipping them out of the countries is a direct violation of Libertarianism and the basic principles of liberty, right?
This is per your debate here:
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@DebateArt.com
Check out LordLuke's suggestion on this topic (#29). It's great.
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@LordLuke
That's actually a fantastic idea.
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Yeah. I doubt there would be a suit, as the RealNihilist said.
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@DebateArt.com
Thanks! I was gonna change it but I guess you've made me reconsider.
I think that honestly whether something copies ddo shouldn't be a criteria for if it should be implemented; only if it's a good idea. It probably would take a lot of effort to add though, so I understand if that's a reason against it.
A simpler option to allow people to have more clarification on their views is if you were to include a political party option rather than just an ideological one.
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I am not leaving them out - I actually fall into one or more of those broad categories - I am simply acknowledging that they are in the minority. I am not opposed to a big issues feature, just don't see it as necessary.
It's not absolutely necessary but I think it'd be very beneficial and nice to have
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@Discipulus_Didicit
By the way I recognize that SCP, props for that. That's one of the scarier ones I believe.
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@PressF4Respect
Tbh I think that opinions and polls were an absolute trainwreck though. "the BIG issues" have little imagined negative effect on the site.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Sure, a majority of people may have certain ideological/partisan convictions which make them choose/want to choose positions consistent with a certain political group (group being a very broad term), but certainly not all of them do. You're leaving out the entirety of Centrism, Libertarianism, Fascism, Communism, people who only have positions on a select few issues, people who don't care about ideology and choose positions based on pragmatism, conservatives with certain liberal positions, liberals with conservative positions, etc. You're categorizing people as collectives and not individuals, and there's no reason to push aside a unknown-numbered-but-likely-pretty-big minority for a majority. Plus, people who frequent sites like these that allow them to challenge previously held views are much less likely to be hyper-ideological/partisan than the general public. "the BIG issues" is great for this site.
(It's also fun.)
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@PressF4Respect
Why is that necessarily a bad thing? Sure, DDO is broken as all hell, but this site doesn't have to be. Plus, this site serves in a very large part as a refugee camp for former DDO members (no offense to everyone who takes care of this site, it is the best debating site out there, and far superior to Debate.org)
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These days I see a lot of people who come from DDO clarifying their positions on certain issues in their bio due to the lack of "the BIG issues" section. I personally feel no need to due so, but "the BIG issues" was a very entertaining way to understand people's political stances and the reasoning behind them (which should also be included). Maybe even a short little description of each side and then the percent of people who believe in each along with a select few group of reasoning(s), although that's likely too much to ask.
Side note: A choice for political party affiliation would be a great way to gauge an individual's partisanship.
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It is a great season of football. The fact that we're looking at genuine defensive football from teams like the 9ers is far better than any shootouts or big plays in the past couple years. Best season in a while
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Democratic Socialism and Social Democracy are seperate.
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But before I begin my position is not entirely straightforward so no one throw any "AIPAC sux!111!" shit at me because I hate them too. I hate lobbyists in general
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If this thread is still going I'd be happy to explain my support for Israel
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@Vader
Keep doing what you're doing. It sounds like you guys are making progress, especially if people think you are dating. I don't know if I would make moves yet, that's up to you.
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@Vaarka
First film I remember seeing in my life.
Pretty average though tbh
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