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@ADreamOfLiberty
I don’t think so either, because the MLS has sensible spending limits to keep it profitable. I’m saying that removing these limits could just lead to ‘washed’ players going for a payday in America, like loads are doing in Saudi and did in China and this will lead to less competitiveness. Messi came to the US because it was best for his family and because Barcelona couldn’t afford him. The idea that there’s loads of money in Europe isnt strictly true, probably only PSG, Man City, Real Madrid, Chelsea and Bayern could afford Messi as there are Financial rules to limit overspending. But it’s good to see Messi enjoying football again, even as an English fan as I’d rather him have come to the Premier League
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@IlDiavolo
Perhaps, if I was the MLS I’d wait to remove the cap, because the whole reason the NASL failed was because of reckless spending on players like Cruyff and Pele and lacklustre attendance and ratings, so the MLS introduced the current (Though the special player slots have been expanded) spending protocols. We’ve already seen China fail at building a watchable league with loads of money and maybe waiting to see how the Saudi league does can give some insight into how unlimited spending in the MLS may play out. Also just playing for money doesn’t really create competition in football, it mainly leads to off-prime players going for one last payday. Plus the lure of Europe is the UCL, CONCACAF wouldn’t really have this If Mexico didn’t catch up as all the other leagues like Honduras and Jamaica just aren’t good enough
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@IlDiavolo
don’t correct yourself after you said football, you are right to call it football. I think that Messi will cause a second burst of popularity for football in America. Beckham started this off himself by joining LA Galaxy which boosted revenue, sales and interest in football and helped the MLS survive, and then turn into a profitable organisation, especially compared to its predecessor the NASL which was a failure. Messi has already caused a boost in viewership for the football in America and this should hopefully continue, also young people are taking far more of an interest in football nowadays and it could overtake ice hockey in popularity in the coming years. However, the only problem could be that even the interest in football increases, interest in the MLS doesn’t. Most people prefer to watch a Man City or Barcelona game on tv compared to an MLS match, hopefully Messi can gather grassroot interest in local teams to gather real support and grow the game from the ground up. Also a home World Cup in 2026 will help, especially considering how far the USMNT has come and the fact that they have potential to push to the quarter or a semi finals. We should all appreciate the fact Messi is just enjoying playing football again and the fact it’s in the US gives the game potential to grow and prosper. Hopefully the game continues to grow in Canada too and Mexico can sort them selves out so that CONCACAF can be really competitive on a world stage.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Trump is the same, like I said they’re all criminals. Trump is just so stupid that he actually may get caught and convicted. Your first comment was baseless and you just made it all up to make you feel better that your orange daddy may be going to jail. He doesn’t care about you, and as much as you may want him to blow your back out, he won’t. You said that people who impede the deep state are racist, Biden is called racist, Bush was called racist and so was Reagan, all are establishment shills. What proof did you have for your first claim of the deep states aims? Absolutely nothing, just some hurt feelings because the guy you meat ride is in the shit.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
It’s the first time that millions of, let’s say very impressionable, people have been fully brainwashed and Trump knows this, after all he said that he could shoot someone in broad daylight and lose no voters. 16% of Americans still defend what Bush ordered in Iraq and around 25% thought Nixon shouldn’t be prosecuted. It’s clearly not the first time, or the last, that the American public has been stupid. Also I’m 2020 either millions rejected the objective results of the election or millions rejected objective election fraud, so clearly not the first time in a long time. The last thing to describe MAGA sausages as is rational, so don’t expect them to act like normal people.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
One little problem: he’s a criminal and just an all round terrible person. People go after him because he’s the only one stupid enough to be caught for his crimes. Nothing he’s been attacked with is baseless. If they were going after him like he went after Obama for his birthplace, then sure he’d be under a false attack. But it’s not like that, he does criminal acts, then people are shocked that the authorities come after him🫢😮
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@ADreamOfLiberty
The only reason people don’t think he’s like the others, is because he conned, in most cases, the generally stupid people into thinking he was some kind of sacrificial lamb or martyr. The Saudi thing of course makes the original claim seem less plausible, as well as his dealings in Oman too. People need to see past his lies and realise he’s as bad as everyone else
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@ADreamOfLiberty
If the deep state is real, trump is definitely a part of it. The swamp was never drained, it got muddier. Trump is a billionaire, from a billionaire family, Trump was friends with the Clintons and Jeffrey Epstein. Textbook establishment. Just because he was able to form a cult, doesn’t make any less of a corporate shill
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@Best.Korea
It’s not just teaching faith they got carried away with…
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@Best.Korea
You clearly don’t have the capacity to understand my point which is fine I guess. And most Christian schools are horror stories, with lots of SA, harsh punishment swept under the rug. The school I went to literally hasn’t been able to take in students, due to the monks failure to safeguard kids.
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@Best.Korea
Seeing as I went to a Christian school for 15 years, had it rammed down my throat and saw some of the worst things imaginable happen by those preachers and those are the ‘good guys’, I think that I actually do have a good understanding of your religion thanks. Again Pascal’s wager is outdated, 4000 religions and yours is correct? Again I’m not an atheist, so you’re either purposefully saying I’m something I’m not or ignorant. And just like the numerous other posts you’ve responded to, you completely miss the point. In my perfect does rape deserve non-existent? I don’t know because it isn’t a comprehensible or practiced action, evil isn’t comprehensible to us. Evil isn’t going unpunished, as it isn’t a realistic concept in this good world. When you say atheists etc misconstrue the bible, this is untrue it’s seemingly that they’re just more knowledgable as studies have found. And when you say Christian’s are good people usually, that’s not true either, non-religious people show better morals than the religious. If your god is real, he’s not worth worshipping and he can suck my cock for all I care considering he’s the biggest shitmuncher ever, but your god isn’t real so who cares
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@Best.Korea
In my world evil isn’t a concept, an all powerful god should be able to do this easy and there’s no evil to punish as it literally isn’t a thing to be punished. The bible is littered with inaccuracies and it makes thousands of claims, a broken clock is right twice a day though. Ironic to tell my to stop reading fairytales, when your life, beliefs and faith are centred around a fairy tale in which you are a cuck for sky daddy who literally hates you. The bible literally cant describe insects right and claims there to be some flood that killed everyone except a bloke who got bummed by his sons and a load of animals. Saying I lack logic etc is laughable. Even if all your silly claims are true, which obviously they’re not, the main reason I don’t believe in your god isn’t all these arguments and such, it’s just from personal experience of your religion and god and how it just has never opened to me
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@Best.Korea
The bible is riddled with scientific wrongs, the earth isn’t flat, insects don’t have 6 legs, there was no great flood, no one was rising from the dead. I’m not ignoring them, the bible is just wrong. And I’m saying as an all loving and all powerful god, this debate and problem is avoidable. God should’ve made this a non issue, god can make the concept and reality of evil non existent, god could prevent evil from being a part of reality or thought of or practiced. He could get rid of it once and for all, but he doesn’t. Atheism is not irrational, neither is agnosticism, especially under your belief system. The vast majority, god believing or not are destined for damnation, so what’s the point in believing then we have the same fate. Anyway it’s bold to assume your religion is the only correct one, what if you guessed wrong? What if Hinduism is correct, then what? Pascal’s wager is so outdated buddy. You can believe in this weird cult and horrid god, all the best to you, but you look like a silly sausage doing it.
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@Best.Korea
Babies are atheist because god created them so that their tiny minds aren’t able to comprehend such stuff, and they’re not guilty of all the stuff you just listed. This all still begs the question why God created a world where this was all necessary, when with his powers he could just create a world were to constitute being loving, there is no need for evil. This is all Gods failings, and the problems of evil still isn’t answered. And it’s very naive, but unsurprising, of you to just boldly assert that I’m an atheist. I could be Hindu, Sikh or believe in an indigenous type of religion for all you know, but it’s indicative of your thinking and logic that you jumped to that conclusion. I’m not an atheist, I’m agnostic. A higher being may exist, but it’s either just a creator with no real care for the subsequent reality of their work or it could be your nasty, selfish, cruel and genocidal God who masquerades as an all loving being. And anyway even if I was atheist, we’d both be going to the same place once we’re done, so who actually cares I may as well go and have as much sex, murder as many people and worship all the other gods. It clearly doesn’t matter to your weirdo, stupid God
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@Best.Korea
0% are in either. Your all loving god has just created evil, to punish it himself. He’s made himself mindless judge, jury and executioner of mindless apes of his own creation, that have no chance of any love or care from their creator. This is not kindness, it’s cruelty. You mentioned the bible again, but according to Harry Potter around 3,000 people in the UK are wizards so obviously we need to find these magical people! Using the bible literally means nothing. If you want to pretend that newborn babies are these evil, monstrous creatures in order to delude yourself that your god, rather than any other god, is real and all loving etc, then you’re past the point of no return, you’re past the point of any semblance of reason or sensibility and to think any of your statements are reasonable is silly, you’ve got philosophers both atheist and theistic rolling in their graves
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@Best.Korea
I’m glad we agree on chances of going to heaven being non-existent. But again what’s the point in making us all evil? We have no choice in it. If the definition of god being loving, is making us all inherently evil so that he can punish us for it, for his own personal validation I guess, then my idea of being loving is hugely wrong. Also when you reference the bible it literally has zero weight as evidence. Just saying we’re all evil, as god purposefully made us, so god needs to punish us for it obviously doesn’t come anywhere near to proving anything against the problem evil, it’s just trying to justify God being a huge dickhead and not doing a very good job of it
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@Best.Korea
Wtf?! Well God shouldn’t make them that way then, seems like a blunder or purposeful sadism. Care to explain how babies and animals are worthy of eternal damnation and physical earthly punishment?
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@Best.Korea
What’s the point though? It’s just punishing others for his actions. As God is apparently the creator of this universe and we live under his laws and judgement, why not just create a universe with different morals and no necessity, as you put it, for punishing evil. The problem of evil isn’t fully answered anyway, what about cancer of babies, floods that kill children and animals etc, this is all unnecessary natural evil to innocent beings, why would God allow this to happen if he’s all loving?
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@Lemming
I agree that leaders will often ignore reports for their own interests, this happened numerous times with the CIA, the US governments accepts a report that the Guatemalan government needs to be overthrown, but rejects the report that Soviet citizens generally speaking had better nutrition and diets than American (in order for American propaganda to continue to be pumped out) . American values, in my eyes, are essentially we know best, we’re the best and we can do what we want, not necessarily linked to ‘classic American values like freedom, democracy and free markets’ example seen with the Mujahideen, in which no values were shared. I would agree with most of the things you say and some of the outlooks you’ve given have been interesting.
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@Lemming
Here’s the cia disputing domino theory https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/cia-report-challenges-domino-theory
I personally believe that people like LBJ, Nixon, Kissinger and McNamara knew that domino theory was not correct, but it was convenient to ignore this and continue to fight all ‘communistic governments’
You should read Killing Hope by William Blum, it gives a good overview of post WW2 American foreign involvement. I’d also recommend How to Hide an Empire and Bitter Fruit: coup in Guatemala, if you want to look into the American involvements in more detail and specifically.
I think that the US idealism and self interest are hugely interlinked. The US benefits greatly from spreading capitalism to Guatemala for example, as wages are kept lower, land is owned by few Pro-American people and the market is monopolised by the US backed corporations, leading to profits for America. In many instances the US idealism was just a scapegoat, many places of intervention weren’t communist in the slightest and even in many socialist or left-wing governments like Iran and Iraq in the 1950s there was not much of an internal communist presence or external soviet help and control.
In terms of the Gulags etc not turning america communist, the flip side can easily be made. American mass killing in Iraq and Vietnam hasn’t made those countries American leaning, neither has government overthrow in Iran or meddling in Russia.
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@Lemming
Don’t mistake destruction and tyranny for selfishness and lack of empathy. What you said about the Cold War is largely accurate in my eyes, e.g Vietnam was not about communism for the VC and NV, but about a United Vietnam after years of colonialism and lack of identity and sovereignty. If America wanted to, sure it could just destroy the world, but that’s not beneficial to its wants. I’d describe it more that the overarching belief of the US is its own self-interest and that it is willing to cause and push tyranny and destruction onto land and people in order to fulfil this goal (see Vietnam, Chile and Nicaragua) but it also doesn’t need to cause tyranny and destruction to fulfil its goal (see election meddling in Italy or the security and aid it gives to nations like UK and Palau). Also when you say in hindsight domino theory was wrong, they knew this at the time and still went ahead with Vietnam and Cambodian excursion.
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@Lemming
Of course the modern west is more peaceful and the world in general due to general understanding of borders and international rules and laws. But whilst the west may be on the face of it peaceful, what it has caused in its history, both modern and fairly old, is complete misery and underdevelopment of other nations. This as well as the west (mostly america) insisting on violently overthrowing governments and meddling in elections, seems to me that the West is not peaceful, as long as the violence isn’t near them geographically
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@Vegasgiants
Thank you big Yankee america for bombing my family and aiding their death. 🦅🦅🦅🦅
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@Greyparrot
For sure, when it’s the US, Russia etc it’s about power and authority over everyone and everything, that’s undeniable. And I think that for say the PLO or Kosovo then it is a mixture of getting the land and basically ethnic superiority, same on the opposite side for Israel and Serbia. But I mean you bomb Ukraine and don’t expect a response? You kick out Palestinians from their homes, treat them as second class citizens, murder and rape them and you don’t expect a retaliation? And in terms of no value to Ukrainian land, there is it can act as a buffer zone (iron curtain if you will) between west (EU and NATO) and Russia, it may have no monetary value, but it has political and military value
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@Vegasgiants
I assume you mean American protection? In which case the Umbrella is rammed up my arse and opened in my intestines and protecting me from what exactly I’m not sure🤷♂️
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@Greyparrot
I guess I should by thankful they didn’t do it and instead just did war another way
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@Greyparrot
I mean the US won in Iraq, but we all know that what they did there was evil. The British won many colonial wars, like the Zulu war, again we know what the British did was evil and anyway when we can literally see with our own eyes and critical thinking skills what is happening in front of us, we don’t need a winner to tell us who is evil. But then again, I’m not American so I don’t know what it’s like to be at the receiving end of some of the most effective propaganda ever
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@Greyparrot
There’s been no point since WW2 that the US has lowered its guns
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@n8nrgim
What about all the other crimes? How come they’re not plausible
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@Greyparrot
That goes for both sides and putting your guns down etc is not the right thing to do if you’re fighting evil. Appeasement doesn’t work either and often negotiating and diplomacy leads to sub-par results. I again reiterate my point, should Ukraine just put their guns down and stop fighting and give in for peace, or should they fight imperial invasion and get their land back?
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@Vegasgiants
Of course the colonised should end the violence rather than the colonisers, so under that thinking you think that Ukraine should just lay it’s weapons down or Ireland and India shouldn’t have fought against the British for its independence. Thinking that if Palestine ask really nicely ‘pwease can we have our land back🥺’ will mean they get it back is so naive and dumb and out of touch, Isn’trael don’t see Palestinians as actual people
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@Vegasgiants
The US of course, the upholder of freedom and human rights, the US have never ever committed human rights violations and war crimes and definitely don’t have ulterior motives to blindly support Israel. If Israel want to end it then they can pack up and leave the area, it’s pretty simple actually
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@Vegasgiants
It is apartheid according to human rights watch, amnesty and the UN, who know a lot more about this than you do
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@Vegasgiants
I was being sarcastic, but you genuinely support apartheid???
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@Greyparrot
Let’s punish all states that have closed or are trying to close their doors to refugees that’s right, and also the countries that are committing gross human rights violations, from Israel to Saudi Arabia to the USA. Not the gotcha you think it is
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