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@IlDiavolo
You see, everyone can commit errors, we are not perfect, so this is a good point to legalize abortion.Of course, I would set a limit of just one opportunity for abortion, more than one means the woman is stupid and should be punished with steralization. Stupid people shouldn't reproduce themselves.
Committing errors does not give you a right to abortion. Making an error on a test does not give you a freebee.
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@TheUnderdog
The women that have sex tend to do so because of male peer pressure. You probably have had sex with females; they have sex because of men like you. If you don’t want females having sex, lead by example and don’t have sex with them.
No, it's because women put themselves around bad people in bad situations.
The amount of women who get abortions because of rape, is very low.
"Just 1% of women obtain an abortion because they became pregnant through rape, and less than 0.5% do so because of incest, according to the Guttmacher Institute."
So the rest are a cause of just pure convenience. You are using peer pressure as the reason for abortions being ok? Peer pressure is something that high schoolers have to deal with. Adults should and already should have learned that peer pressure is not a threat to them. At the end of the day, it is a woman's decisions to have sex with a man, unless it is a rape.
Unfortunately, people are pro recreational sex.
Again, I am not against recreational sex. I am against having sex willingly and aborting a baby just for convenience. Yes you want to have sex without bearing a child, and most of the time, you won't have to, but it's still a risk you have to take and if that risk shows up, you are going to have to accept it.
And also it’s possible that females continue to have sex regardless of the penalty for abortion. If many females are doing this, you are going to have to execute a lot of females. It would make arguably more sense to execute both the female that got the abortion and the man who had sex with her.
Again, having recreational sex wouldn't be illegal. Getting abortions would be.
You really think women are going to get the same amount if not more abortions, even when life in prison, or the death penalty is on the line. Not even that, just the thought of even 20 years in prison would stop a woman from doing it.
That’s why I think whatever the penalty for abortion is should effect both parents of the aborted baby equally, so my ideal penalty is $1.3 a day for a decade (paid for by both parents of the aborted baby). 90% of the revenue goes to sponsor a starving child, getting that child out of poverty, and the remaining 10% pays for the abortion. If you take a life from abortion, you should be legally required to save a life by some other method (and child sponsorship is a cheap way to save a life).
If the father paid for the abortion, then yes he should be punished to, but if he didn't then he didn't do anything wrong. Most fathers don't want there wives to get abortions. Also if the father knows about the abortion being taken place, and doesn't tell authorities, then that is witness to a murder, without telling anyone, and could be considered manslaughter. So it would only be the husbands fault in some cases.
Paying off debt even in history has not always worked out the best.
And the claim that a zygote is a human being doesn’t make sense because of the following rationale: 30 to 70 percent of zygotes fail to attach to the uterine wall, so they miscarry basically. If a pregnant female miscarries a 12 week fetus, she will be devestated. If she miscarried a zygote, she won’t be the slightest bit upset. If she was and she gave birth to 3 kids, she would probably be upset about losing about 3 kids due to zygotes miscarrying. No female I met is sad about the zygotes she miscarried. If it was a 12 week fetus that they miscarried, then she would be upset. But this leads me to believe the zygote and the 12 week fetus aren’t equal.
This is a false claim. Miscarriage's only happen in 10-20% of all pregnancy's.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/pregnancy-loss-miscarriage/symptoms-causes/syc-20354298#:~:text=About%2010%20to%2020%20percent,even%20know%20about%20a%20pregnancy."About 10 to 20 percent of known pregnancies end in miscarriage"
A woman will be devastated if she miscarries at all. You think a woman won't be devastated if she miscarries a zygote/human? How can you make that assumption?
If a zygote is not a human being, then what is it?
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@TheUnderdog
It’s premeditated, but it’s very common, way more common than all other forms of homicide combined. Killing 25 million females for abortion is a nonstarter. If you know 60 females, 10 of them would have to be put to death for abortion (or life imprisonment if you oppose the death penalty for murder). In a world where .001% of females get abortions in their lifetime, you can get away with the death penalty for abortion. But when it’s 1/6 females, it’s not good to kill THAT many people.
This is considering that women are willing to risk the death penalty for having unprotected sex, and or getting abortions.
Very unlikely for that to happen.
Guns can kill people and cause death penalty charges, but you don't see the same problem there.
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@ludofl3x
I'm in no way threatened by whatever this ad campaign is for, but thanks for your concern. I'm curious as to why Christians think it'd be necessary, given the scope of god's alleged powers and the amount of money involved that could go to more nominally Christian pursuits.
You could have done this on any company that made a super bowl commercials. Why Christianity specifically?
Huh? There's no commercial for being gay.
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@rosends
So you don't see any difference between a "virgin" and a "young woman" or between "shall conceive" and "is pregnant"?
virgin is woman who hasn't had sex. Many young woman could be virgins.
Also, conception is the start of pregnancy, the same thing.
You are arguing these scriptures are inheritably different, by taking the words and picking at them. The words mean the same, and the message of the scripture is the same as well.
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@ludofl3x
"You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes, nor figs from thistles, are they?"
This is Matthew 7:16. Again context is important when quoting scripture
Jesus is explaining to the disciples, and others, that you can tell the structure of a persons heart, by how they act and what they do. He does not say that God judges by that. He says that is how the content of someone's heart is expressed.
I do not know what you're talking about, and I bet neither do you. Pretty sure the movement you're so obsessed with is not planning a superbowl commercial that basically says "Gay...ever tried it?"
So, Gay...ever tried it? is fine, but Christian...ever tried it? is apparently not?
It's interesting that you think a TV commercial that lasts 30 seconds, for a product literally everyone in this country has heard of, a massive number of people already believe in, would be somehow more practical than taking $6M to some community service. I guess we agree to disagree, I'd rather give someone a meal than say "Hey, ever heard of this guy literally everyone's heard of?"
But even Coca Cola commercials are the same way. Everyone knows what Coca Cola is, but the point of the ad, is to spread word about the product.
The very fact that you made this topic proves that somehow people spreading the word of God is threatening you, therefore you make this forum, to "call it out".
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@rosends
Are you telling me you don't see a difference?
.....no, its just worded differently.
A woman is going to have a son named Immanuel and it is significant. That's what I take away from both.
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@rosends
Just because something sounds different, doesn't mean its different.
Taking one of the older translations:
"Therefore the Lord Himself shall give you a sign: behold, the young woman shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel."
And then one of the new ones:
"Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel."
It means the same thing.
The lord will give you a sign, a woman will conceive and give birth to a boy, and his name will be Immanuel.
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@ludofl3x
I'm not saying it like it's a threat to humanity, I'm just curious why the use of funds to advertise for JEsus when (a) everyone's heard of Jesus and (b) that money can be put to use in soup kitchens or homeless shelters, I mean it's a superbowl ad. It's not 5M$. It's nine figures.
Ok? Helping the needy is very important, but spreading the word of God is even more important. Millions of people watch the Super bowl every year, and that advertisement, can go really far.
I could ask the same question, in why other movements like the LGBTQ+ movement has advertisements in events like this. Shouldn't they be helping the kids who are "confused" and need gender reassignment surgery?
Did you ever come up with your interpretation of TImothy 7:16, by your works shall ye be known? Because faith alone isn't enough according to a LOT of Christians. Of course, to the same amount it IS enough. If only there was a way to know which side is right!
Timothy 7:16
"For the Spirit God gave us does not make us timid, but gives us power, love and self-discipline. So do not be ashamed of the testimony about our Lord or of me his prisoner. Rather, join with me in suffering for the gospel, by the power of God."
He says join him, and spread the gospel. You shall be known by others for spreading the word of God.
And you are misinformed again, because if anyone says that works are something that is required for paradise, then they are not Christians.
Faith, trust in God, asking for forgiveness, and Love for God, is the only requirement you need.
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@RationalMadman
No, he teaches faith in the Bible. Having faith in him is truly loving him. Without faith in him, it is impossible to love him truly.
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@Sidewalker
Nope.
Christian means what I said at the beginning. Not tied to being an American at all. And the same goes for vice versa.
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@Sidewalker
Yeah kid, the government is the enemy, maybe you right wing extremists should have an insurrection. Oh wait, you already tried that. Well, maybe you could try voter suppression, oh wait, you already tried that too. Overthrow elections, nope, already tried that too.
I'm not an extremist. I even openly said in my first post that this is coming from both of the political sides.
Or…call the facts we don’t like fake news, and we are supposed to make up conspiracy theories and “alternative facts”.
No, its taking things that happened, and the media is putting there bias on it. It's not supposed to be biased by the media. That's the peoples job. Censorship is something that the democrats are famous at doing, showing only what they want the public to see, and not the things that pose a threat to their views. You wanna talk about not liking news? You are being hypocritical.
LOL, a call to action to attack the media? You want to put the media under your authoritarian control because, well because that’s just what authoritarians do.
Nope. the media should give out the information, and facts, and the people should decide what to make of it. Political bias shouldn't come from the media, it should come from the people. George Washington said the political party's would be the downfall of the USA. He wasn't far off.
This is the right wing trying to pull the wool over our eyes, like a white supremacist telling the bald-faced lie that White Supremacy doesn’t exist.You are all about labels and divisiveness, you don’t think the “LGBTQ” community are just Americans, “people of color” are just Americans, “non-Christians” are just Americans, “Socialist Democrats” are just Americans, the “them” of your “us/them” thinking are just Americans, of course you don’t, you lie.
You call me a racist, sexist, homophobe, transphobe, white supremacist, just because of what I am saying? What have I said that indicated any of that? No. It's just you doing exactly what the media and this generation is doing, and trying to censor me, because you don't like what I am saying, because it poses a threat to your ego. It's not going to work on this website, because this is an open discussion buddy. What happens when you can't answer any more of my questions?
Yes, people of color, non-Christians, the LGBTQ+ community, and some Democrats are true Americans. The only non-Americans living in America today, are the people who say they hate America, yet live lavishly off of the country the so very much loath.
You are a typical right wing pathological liar trying to “sell” your hostility towards any American that is different. Nobody is fooled by your hypocrisy.
You seem frightened and threatened by a 16 year old, talking about free speech and America. Now why is that?
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@Reece101
It's a difficult decision.
I think that it would be nice to help Ukraine with Russia. But President Zelenskyy has been using us as a tool to help for long.
I think that we should be focused more on the border problem, and our security, before we worry about another countries security.
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@ludofl3x
So you think there's a large population of people who haven't heard of Jesus that are watching the superbowl?
Maybe. Or maybe some just need to hear Gods message. And not "need" like were gonna force them too. LGBTQ+ already does that to people in sports.
Need, like they might want to hear it.
But maybe some just didn't grow up in the church, and might of not heard of all that God has done.
Why are you saying it like its a threat to humanity?
And my question was why does god need anyone to demonstrate their love for him, essentially, but we can skip it, there's no sensible answer.
Again, he doesn't. We don't get to God, by works (doing things to show our love) but by faith.
But then again, why wouldn't you want to want to show your love to the God of the Universe?
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@Double_R
Why do right wingers always talk about “the media” as if it was a person with an agenda, as opposed to a conglomerate with a spectrum of views and motivations?
Why don't you guys understand when we say the media?
The media means information that is meant to inform the public about things.
There is corruption in the media on both sides of the political isle. The media is misinforming people.
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@PREZ-HILTON
Man just explained what happened in Nazi Germany.
Same thing is happening here.
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@BrotherD.Thomas
Declare his glory among the nations, his marvelous works among all the peoples!" (Pslam 93:6)"And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come." (Matthew 24:14)"And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation." (Mark 16:15)
Thank you for proving my point further Brother D.
As always.
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@ludofl3x
So then why does he need someone to demonstrate if their love is "true" or not? Couldn't he already know?Does god need the advertisement? Was it part of his plan, do you think? It just strikes me as strange I guess.I didn't mention missionary work, not sure what that's for.
The advertisement is to reach out to those who don't know him, not to show God our love.
We show God our love by trusting him. We are human, so if we love something truly enough, we are bound to show it. Yes, we don't need to show it physically, but why wouldn't you want to show your love for the God of the Universe?
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@Intelligence_06
No, what you are talking about is a cis man & trans woman relationship, if it is not a gay relationship.Or you don't know what you are talking about, do you?
No, what I am saying is that it seems like a cis man & a trans woman in a relationship, when it is supposed to be a man and a man.
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It's just so funny to me, when I make any other forum, people seem to have rational conversations about things, yet the minute I bring up Christianity, everyone comes piling in here to argue me.
I am not complaining, but every time that I have argued one of you in this forum, (not all) but most of you have went from rational questions, to beating on Christianity.
To those people, who I know some have views on this, isn't part of being inclusive of peoples feelings, also include Christianity?
Christianity has never hurt anyone. People have hurt others with a false doctrine, but Christianity hasn't.
You claim that Christianity is one of the worst things to exist, and it hurts people. How so?
We build churches, don't try to force anyone, believe a non-contradicting doctrine, that has a lot of moral principle.
We give to the poor, and take care of the struggling.
We produce music, and motivation for those who are struggling.
And the ONLY thing God asks of us, is to trust him. Nothing more. Nothing less.
That is what we believe as Christians.
All those false prophets and teachers, were only in it for the money. Heck there are even false prophets today. The bible even tells us this is the case.
I can't and probably wont be ever to legitimately prove Gods existence, but isn't that proof within itself.
If I were able to prove his existence, then no one would need faith. The bible says we can only get to heaven through faith alone. So if proof was provided, then no one would have faith, therefore no one would be able to enter the kingdom of heaven.
This forum wasn't meant to prove God, yet show others what true Christianity is.
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@Polytheist-Witch
Christianity has a history of violence that still carries over to today. Your religion is violent whether you like it or not.
People have a history of violence.
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The people of the United States of America, are supposed to run the government. We have the constitutional right, to run the government, and our country. Yet as of right now, it seems like the government is running us. We already know they are listening to our every conversation. They have started to track our every move. They have become more powerful than the people, and no one is doing anything about it, because we are blinded by "it's for your safety" speeches.
The people are supposed to know everything about the government, and the government is supposed to know nothing about the people.
The media is supposed to produce the facts, and we are supposed to make our own opinions off of it.
Yet this has been switched up so much, to where we don't know if the media is misinforming us, or how much the government knows about our lives.
Still, we do nothing about it though.
This misinformation and corruption, comes from both sides of the political isle (more or less the democratic) but still, it comes from both sides.
We shouldn't put labels on ourselves like republican, democrat, conservatives, liberal. We should put the only label that we constitutionally have, and that is the American label.
Thoughts?
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@TWS1405_2
No. Dipshit. Go back and read the threads YOU fucking started and LOST!! Damn ignoramus pos that you are on this subject.
Repeating that I lost, is not going to get you anywhere. I did not lose, you just decided that you had had enough of hearing the truth, and quit. I challenged you to a debate several times, yet you refused. If you really want to "win" you will just have to debate me to prove that to everyone else. This is after all DebateArt.
Either argue, debate, or sit out.
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@Intelligence_06
Why must there be a correlation?
I'm not saying there does, but it confuses me that gay men (men who like other men) act so feminine. Its usually not a gay relationship, but rather one of the men pretending to be a woman, and the other staying a man. So with that setup, it is still the man liking the woman traits of a man. Isn't the point of being gay liking masculinity, and not femininity?
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@Stephen
Will that be the King James Version?
The different versions of the bible, don't mean anything different, they are just spoken with different words that are synonyms.
You really need to do your research.
And I use New Living Translation.
Really? can you give me an example or two?
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@zedvictor4
Jonah and the Whale, Noah's Ark and the biblical flood are not true accounts per se.
There have been cases today of men being swallowed by large fish, not whales, and surviving.
Historical evidence leads to the idea, of a destructive worldwide event, that was caused by non-other, than guess what? Water.
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@Stephen
German!?Considering that your first language is English, what bible do you accept as an accurate and literal account of the life and times of Jesus?
The bible.........huh?
So it wasn't enough that he ruled over his own perfect and vast heavenly paradise or his hoards of heavenly angels for company?
Again, that is a question I will have to ask God.
So the love of his heavenly hoards of angels wasn't enough for him?
Same thing.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Is the earth over 10,000 years old.?
The earth is estimated to be about 13.7 billion years old, give or take a few.
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@Reece101
Also having no children, being pacifist, father abandoning him. All signs.
Not necessarily.
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@Polytheist-Witch
No it doesn't.
Well, you can repeat that to yourself at night buddy, but it doesn't change the fact that....it does.
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@Sidewalker
If you are so "pro-life" and against murder, how do you explain your Avatar, why desecrate the American Flag with assault rifles, you are proud to display your "pro-death" symbols of killing and murder, while pretending to be "pro-life".Hypocrite much?
Guns were created and given to Americans, not with the intent of murder, but with the intention of the opposite. Saving lives with guns is better than letting someone die.
Just the presence of a gun, makes some people frightened enough to not hurt the ones carrying it, and the ones around them.
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@IlDiavolo
There might be cases like that but we can't generalize. Women can get pregnant unintentionally, this is quite common among young tiktokers. 😆
Lol. Yes, this is true. But it is still not unintentional. Usually, those types of people make bad decisions, which leads to rape and things like that. It's not their fault that they were rapped, but still they made bad choices that led up to that situation.
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@FLRW
Well, at least you don't have to tell the aborted baby that he will die in the future of cancer, gun shot wounds, car accidents or old age just to further evolution.
So? People die all the time by these mishaps. But killing the baby before it even has a chance to experience the world, is not a good thing. The baby might not die of these things. Why should we kill it just because of the possibility of something bad happening to it.
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@TWS1405_2
Go back and re-read the threads you started and where you were obviously disproven in your poorly argued position. I am not going to repeat myself here when all has been written and posted. It is self-evident that you lost and simply cannot hold your own in a discussion on the topic. So it is to you who just needs to sit out on that subject material. Oh, and your psychological projection isn’t evidence of your position either. It’s patent denialism.
Again, either argue, debate me, or sit out of it.
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@Stephen
The bible wasn't "revised" - "so he rewrote it [the bible]"!?
He rewrote the bible in a different language, so that everyone could understand it, and read it for themselves. He simply changed the language, not the teachings or any scripture.
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@ludofl3x
Missionary work, that's when Christians go out and force Christianity on countries and tribes and people who are practicing other religions or are atheists right? Because Jesus need you to go out and shove him down everybody's throat.
No......it's preaching Gods word. No one forces anyone else to convert. You are misinformed.
Does god know if your love for him is true or not even before you're born?
He is omnipotent, so yea, he does.
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@Polytheist-Witch
Considering that you hate gays and women and don't seem to have any issue with the church's past of murdering people to convert them and wiping out other religions, your view on what makes a human a human means very little to me.
I don't hate anyone. I disagree with people. Am I not allowed to disagree?
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@Polytheist-Witch
Alive and living are two different things. And I'm sorry but a tadpole is not a human being. It's a potential human being. And there's no reason you shouldn't be able to take a pill the day after you have sex to get rid of it other than your religious freak who hates women.
Sperm isn't human. When sperm fertilizes egg, that is when it becomes human.
I would love to argue with you what it means to be a human.
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@ludofl3x
One might say couldn't Jesus save these folks the money and just, you know, appear to everyone like we've all heard he's going to? It's kinda like the tithe thing, if it's that important wouldn't Jesus have direct deposit, just take it right off the top?
The basis of Christianity is faith. If God did anything like that no one would need faith, and it wouldn't be true love God is getting, rather the salvation of yourself through greed.
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@Sidewalker
It's merchandizing, they are selling T Shirts and hats.
Some pastors and company's use this tactic of religion for greed and it is a disgrace. But a lot of other company's use this funding for missionary's in 3rd world countries. Company's like Speed the Light does this.
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@Polytheist-Witch
They're not people at three weeks or even ten weeks.
Yes they are. They are biologically alive at conception and human beings.
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@ludofl3x
For the same reason that anyone makes an ad. To advertise something. Christianity is allowed to be advertised regardless of people trying to cancel it.
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@IlDiavolo
By the way, abortion is not the same as in the past, specially if it's an early pregnancy. Women can choose between medication or medical procedure to abort. So, if abortion is prohibited, pregnant women would still be able to choose medication abortion. Abortion pill is available everywhere, it can be painful but effective.
Any form of abortion would be illegal, if abortion was illegal....
But even so, women can have a abortion procedure anyway in another state where abortion is allowed, they just need a trip to do that. So, honestly I dont see the point to prohibit abortion in some states and in others not. Unless it's prohibited all over the country, women would always have choices to abort, so I don't see any change in the national abortion rate.
This is true. I guess we are going to have to see in the future which states produce more baby's and become more successful, and which states kill all there baby's, and become destroyed.
It doesn't matter if people go to other states to get an abortions', the fact is that soon all the pro-choicer are going to realize that they are going to have no one to pass on there beliefs, because they have killed any chances of that happening, so all your going to have left is children who grew up in pro-life homes, and who are pro-life running the country, thus making abortion nationally illegal.
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@Polytheist-Witch
What lives?
The children inside of the womb. Future doctors, lawyers, politicians, athletes, fathers, mothers etc.
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@Polytheist-Witch
I'm saying that you throwing masculine and feminine into the mix doesn't mean anything, dumbass.
Yes it does.
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@Polytheist-Witch
The religion is still responsible for it.
I wouldn't consider them at that time part of the religion, because they didn't believe the full truth, and were imbedded in mans greed and corruption. So no the religion isn't responsible for it, man is responsible for it.
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@SkepticalOne
Again, I don't think you read the post you were replying to. My anecdote referenced contradictory "answers from God". Some church members felt the school should go. Some felt the school should stay. Both sides felt God was guiding them.
Ok, so?
How does this disprove God?
Some might of been lying, have you ever thought of that?
Some might have just been very prideful, and didn't want to let the others think they were wrong, thus using God as an excuse.
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@ludofl3x
Yes, you mentioned this, which is why I asked the question, which your response doesn't answer. How do you know what HE saw in the bible was right?
Because he saw the bible...…..that's like asking how do you know the bible is right. It has no contradictions to it.
Martin Luther looked at a book with no contradictions to its teaching, and called out the contradictions to that book from the church and exposed them.
You already said there's a lot of different interpretations of the bible (all those denominations, for one), but not all of them (perhaps most of them) are wrong and potentially dangerous, corrupt.
If an interpretation to the Bible is dangerous and corrupt it is not an interpretation, rather, it is a false doctrine. The different interpretations that are different, from other believers that still line up with the bible, are perfectly fine.
That the bible is replete with rules is not an assumption, and I've read it. My question on the minute details isn't about Martin Luther though, you said the minute details don't really matter:
No I said minute details, that don't contradict the bible don't matter.
My question here is where does the line go from 'little detail' to 'major problem,'
Contradiction or defiance of Gods word is what causes the problem.
like if you don't follow say 3 of the 10 commandments, is that too many? How do you know it doesn't matter, is my question. Some versions of Christianity don't think anything you do at all matters, and you're either in or out of heaven when you're born, predetermined. Why are they wrong?
What are you talking about? There are no different versions of Christianity, only one. The only differences between the denominations, is that they have differences between little minute details that don't contradict or go against Gods word. If there is someone who is claiming that they are Christian, and they say," don't think anything you do at all matters, and you're either in or out of heaven when you're born, predetermined." then they are not Christians.
So you're not a big believer in "by your fruits shall ye be known?" Is that me interpreting it wrong?
Could I get the verse of that by chance? I need context for it.
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@amandragon01
I'm not asking you what should be, but rather what happens when things don't go as you think they should.
Well, if a father, doesn't have similar beliefs and principles as the mother, than there is going to be a lot of conflict on how to raise a child.
That sounds a lot like opinion. Got any way to show and objective 'best'. Are you saying that you think a person should be raised to accept a set of beliefs given to them by their parents? If so, why is that better than raising a child to determine their own beliefs?
Yes they should, because then they are going to not have anything to set their beliefs off of, therefore, not having a basic set of beliefs.
Can you support this assertion with evidence? Or is it just based on opinions?
Women don't know how to be men, therefore can't teach their sons to be men.
Men don't know how to be women, therefore can't teach their girls to be women.
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@SkepticalOne
I get the feeling you didn't read the entire post because "God's full plan" shouldn't include giving contradictory answers.
It's not contradictory.
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