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@Double_R
Simple really.
People decide that Trans-women (men) can go into women's areas, strictly made for women. But those transwomen, still have penises. So what happens when you put a naked man in a woman's locker room. That man still has man hormones' and instincts.
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@amandragon01
.. I based my beliefs off of my views, it's true that other people informed those beliefs, but it wasn't an individual it was a group of people who I spoke with, questioned and trusted for a long time. The last sentence is also immaterial to this discussion, as more than one person can do that. As I said, I learned how the world works from a very present and involved extended family as well as my parents. None of this seems to suggest only one parent is necessary or preferable unless you want to instil particular beliefs in a child.
But what did you base your views off of? Surely you weren't born with views.
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@AleutianTexan
In all fairness, if North Korea is being unfairly portrayed by the West, what are they supposed to do to try and shift away from that narrative?
Become public without all the privacy and cover ups. Maybe stop killing and starving your people...…there is evidence of this.
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@amandragon01
Or you raise your children to believe that there is more than one perspective in the world and it's a persons responsibility to question and consider the beliefs and principles presented to them and come to their own conclusions based on their observations, experiences and reasonings. In fact I'd say that giving a child only one voice they trust and believe is a bad idea. I learned from my parents who had different views in many things and my aunts and uncle and grandparents all of whom had many different perspectives on many different topics. This worked because they never taught me that their beliefs and principles were the only valid beliefs and principles, but instead taught me to consider what people tell me and make my determinations based on that consideration and personal experience.
You can teach this with two parents as well. Teaching your kid that our world views might be different than other family's. It is important for a child to have a figure that they can trust with different roles for different problems. Mixing in more than two would confuse the child. You can't make beliefs without a base belief. What are they going to base there beliefs off of, if they don't even know whos view to base there own beliefs on. Children aren't born with the knowledge of how the world works. You have to teach it to them.
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@Double_R
Please explain how minors becomes part of this discussion.
Oh, haven't you heard? Trans women (Men) have been doing some pretty pedophiliac things to young girls and boys.
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@Greyparrot
Saying that black people can't get an ID is racist in of itself, because it is saying that blacks are unable to do everything as whites are no matter the law. It's calling them stupid.
Some of these people are losing without even realizing it.
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@Reece101
You are going by a case by case basis of whether the fetus is a threat to the mothers life, correct?
No, I stated that I am not, then answered your question: If not, where’s the line?
Would you vote for a government that forces her to go through with the pregnancy? Or would you just use words? Do you think women should be allowed to vote? I want to see where this ends up. Because corporate/government coercion is bad, don’t you agree?
If you get pregnant, then obviously people are going to try to get rid of the baby in secret. I would vote for the ban on abortion. That is the only thing I would vote on.
Do you think women should be allowed to vote? I want to see where this ends up. Because corporate/government coercion is bad, don’t you agree?
Off topic. Yes, women should and are allowed to vote.
But you’re alright with coercing/forcing her to go through with pregnancy if she’s rapped? Where is the consent of the mother in that regard? Your ethics isn’t quite lining up. You will probably say something along the lines of ‘the fetus doesn’t consent to being aborted.’ I’ll give you the answer now to save some time.. it’s because the fetus can’t consent, it’s not cognitively developed enough, if it’s even developed a brain at all. I think we can agree that abortions in early trimester are better than late trimester abortions, even if you think they’re both wrong.
I can talk about rape, if you can agree that all of the other abortions are bad. Otherwise, you are just using it as a tactic to justify all abortions. You can't justify all abortions with rape cases. So, would you agree that other than rape cases, abortions are bad?
Well you made it blatantly clear that recreational sex is reckless. I wouldn’t put it passed you.
It is.
Yeah, It’s increasingly becoming less common believe it or not.
Nope. Actually increasing.
Are you alright with an authoritarian regime coming to power if it means more children are born?
This has nothing to do with the topic at hand. In what world would someone have to make this decision?
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@Sidewalker
I already said "White Supremacists say white supremacy doesn't exist", I should have added that when they do deny it, they do it in thier steriotypically dumbshit way.
Just because you say something, doesn't make it true. This is evidence of that.
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Most of them have very little formal education and a below average income. The country really has no use for these people other than low paid menial jobs. They often live in rural areas that have been in economic decline for decades.
Very interesting thing to say. This also occurs a lot in black community's........so you're saying we have no use for them either. I don't know about you, but that's pretty racist.
Now they require ID or cut voting hours or cause longs lines at polling places in black neighborhoods. Or they delete names from voter roles if they haven’t voted in a while.
Second sentence not true. But the first one also occurs with white people as well.
One goal of white supremacy is to take away rights from blacks that they are lawfully entitled to
You literally just proved my point. This doesn't exist. There is no person in America in a position of political power, who is trying to take away the rights of blacks.
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Witches are possessed by demons. End of story.
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@Reece101
Making abortion illegal and unsafe is a threat to the mothers life regardless.Be honest, you don’t care about women and young girls.Look at the title.It should be illegal, except for cases where it is a risk to the mother's health.Aren’t you going by a case by case basis? If not, where’s the line?No I'm not.The line is drawn when the baby becomes a serious threat to the mothers life. Then that should be the moment where the mother decides what to do.You ignored the context of our conversation. Please stop being disingenuous.
....no context was ignored. Also, how am I being disingenuous?
Regardless how expensive it gets?
Again, having kids is expensive. That should be motivation for women to stop being reckless with their body's. Again: Bad action = Bad consequences. Being stupid with your body, leads to you having to raise expensive kids.
So you want to ban contraception? That’s what it sounds like.
Contraception is a good useful tool in order to have sex without backlash, but condoms can break, and birth control can fail. Having sex is like driving a car.
When you are driving, you are taking a risk, in the case that you might crash. Sure, it's not likely, but you are still consenting to that risk.
Same with sex.
When you have sex, you are taking a risk, in the case that you might get pregnant. Sure, it's not likely if your using contraception, but you are still consenting to that risk.
Do you have any studies backing up that sexless marriages are more healthy?
Now you're ignoring the context. Never brought this up as a point.
The new generation of adults are having less sex anyway. You should be happy statistically speaking.
......have you heard of hookup culture?
Sure, go up to four old ladies, and not the other 30,000 people who have adopted more than one kid.
Adoption should be the absolute last resort if you’re opposed/unable to terminate the pregnancy and can’t afford raising the child.
Adoption is keeping a child alive. Abortion is not keeping a child alive. Which is better?
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@Sidewalker
A lot of people must have missed the memo, you guys need to let everyone know that White Supremacy doesn't mean what they think it does, looks like the little kiddie has a lot of noscoping to do.
The very thing that you are trying to bring down when you say white supremacy, is culture. So, it isn't ok to marginalize other culture, but American culture is an exception?
Real white supremacy is when whites have more legal rights than blacks, or blacks have less legal rights then whites. That doesn't exist. Case closed.
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@FLRW
While this is often the case through innumerable laws and systems
Which laws. Please provide one law that gives whites advantages over blacks.
we frequently uphold white supremacy in our lives without even realizing it. In the workplace, for example, company policies and practices may perpetuate white supremacy. Even our notion of professionalism is seen through a white-centered lens. A Black man for example, who decides to wear his hair in dreadlocks may be deemed unprofessional based on white standards. A corporate policy that upholds white beauty standards is just one of the plethora of ways we may unintentionally perpetuate white supremacy.
No, it's not. I don't know about you, but I see a lot of professionals in dreadlocks. It's not a white supremacy thing. It's someone felt offended that they didn't get to where what they wanted to where to work, oversimplified it, and called it racist.
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So racism definitely exists but white supremacy, an extreme racist attitude and point of view of racists, does not exist. That’s brilliant.
You are so dumbfounded......
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How did this forum get 5 pages, just from presidential updates?
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@TWS1405_2
Ah but it does. Connotation and context matters when using words that have very different meanings when used under certain circumstances.
It does make it psychologically different, and that's my point. Using the word terminate instead of kill, is just putting a bowtie on the fact that you are killing something/someone.
I could go to war and say I terminated 50 soldiers, or I could say I killed 50 soldiers. Same word. Just sounds different. So, you might not want to use the word kill, but it means the same thing. I respect your decision, but I will stick to the word kill. Yes, it sounds different, but it means the same thing.
Laws are premised on morality. They are not mutually exclusive. Once the person is given all the rights, privileges and equal protections of the law…morality is a given under those protections.
Not all laws are based on morality. Morality is something that is not man made. It's something that we can't put a pin in, because we still don't quite understand what gave us morality. Thats why there are philosophers and other people like that who are still trying to make sense of all the aspects of morality. So, to put morality in a box of just the law is not right. There are definitely laws out there that are morally wrong.
So, tell me:
Would it be morally ok to kill/terminate that person in a coma?
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@Greyparrot
Well 16 now, but thanks!
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@RationalMadman
Could be crime. Not enough evidence to convict yet. I believe in innocent until proven guilty, so I don't know for sure.
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@TWS1405_2
Third, I do not use the term “kill,” as it is an emotively driven term. Terminate is the more medically and legally accurate term when it comes to abortion.
But it is still the same word. Just because you wrap it in a bow, doesn't make it any different.
Lastly, you cannot compare a pregnancy to an already born person in a coma. It is a false equivalency fallacy. The person in the coma, once they were birthed, were bestowed ALL the rights, privileges and equal protections of the law.
I'm not talking about legal standards. I'm talking about moral standards. Would it be morally ok to kill/terminate that person in a coma?
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@Sidewalker
There is no law that gives whites superiority over blacks. Look for yourself.
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@FLRW
The Hammerskin Nation is a white supremacist group formed in 1988 and is the most violent and best-organized neo-Nazi skinhead group in the United States. A number of its members have been convicted of harassing, beating or murdering minorities. Many popular racist rock bands are affiliated with the Hammerskin Nation, and the group regularly sponsors concerts. Though internal dissension and a civil lawsuit currently threaten its continued strength, the Hammerskin Nation remains active and dangerous. They are offering $50 gift cards if you join today.
Gangs who do bad stuff exist. What did you prove here?
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@Polytheist-Witch
Your relationship is sad then.
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@Polytheist-Witch
Why waste my time with men? If I want to be a maid/cook/whore/ babysitter for free I'll do it for myself and my kids. I pay all my own bills. My husband can do what he likes. I haven't kicked him out and he doesn't leave so he must not have an issue.
Hate to break it to you, but your husband is either a sad sad man, or a cuck.
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@TWS1405_2
Finally a real answer for a cutoff point. Thank you for providing one.
So if fetal viability should be the cutoff point, then I ask you this:
Your saying that fetal viability is when the baby is able to technically "survive" outside the womb. But if it isn't viable then it's ok to kill it.
So if someone is in a coma, and is not viable without machines working on them, is it ok for me to come up to them with a knife and kill them?
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@Sidewalker
It's simple really.Racists say racism doesn't exist.White Supremacists say White Supremacy doesn't exist.They teach it at the Klan meetings.
Again not saying racism doesn't exist.
White supremacy by definition, doesn't exist, because there is no law in the United States of America, that gives whites superiority over blacks.
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@Polytheist-Witch
The idea that people think there isn't a single white person in the United States that doesn't think they're superior to every other race in the United States is scary because it just shows how fucking stupid people are. There are actually groups who are proud, hence the term White Pride, of that stance and they have gatherings and parades and they will clubs and everything. To say not a single white human being in all of the United States is never ever able to be a white supremacist is just the biggest denial of common sense I've ever seen. It talks even some of the shit I've read in the religion forum.
Again, not denying that racism exists. Of course it does. Racism as a prominent problem in the USA is not a problem that we deal with in the USA.
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Yes, because blacks are a marginalized race. They are a minority, a minority that has a long history of being oppressed by systemic racism. If blacks had been marginalizing whites for the last 300 years then whites would be looking for the white only dormitories.
So were supposed to bring history into this?
What does this new generation have to do with what happened during slavery. None of them are alive.
I thought we were supposed to forget about the slavery that happened, and make all men equal. Two wrongs don't make a right. Your basically promoting the segregation and enslavement of whites.
I’m still waiting for you to articulate that reason. Your first attempt, fear of pregnancy, didn’t work.
There are many reasons to segregate because of gender. For instance:
Reproductive problems.
Biological differences.
Emotional differences.
Things of that manner.
They certainly can be. Example: the reason we need a bridge built, is the water is too deep to walk through. The water requires a bridge to travel past it.
"Can be" is not the same as "they are the same word." Even with your example they don't mean the same thing. Did you pass English class?
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@RationalMadman
That firstly doesn't explain why the rates of depression, anxiety and all sorts are so high.It furthermore doesn't mean that is the perfect way. The rates of murder and violence outside of wars are the lowest in Islamic nations actually, check it out for yourself.
It of course isn't the perfect way, but it is the best way.
You have one father figure, and one mother figure. The one father figure is supposed to raise based on his beliefs and principles. As soon as you have more than one father, then there different ways of thinking that is taught to the child. Then the child is confused. Then as soon as you have more than one mother, then the same thing applies. Mothers and fathers teach different things. So if you had more than one of both, then the child would be confused on who to trust, who to believe, and who to base there life principles on.
Having one mother and one father brings stability to the family and the child's life.
In fact, since you want to not bring in a babysitter or such, if one wife has a really bad period (both that PMS stuff and meaning a period of low mood and anxiety etc) my other wife can become the temporary aunty/mother figure. I will genuinely reproduce with 2, I am thinking 4 offspring. One may be childless if she's cool with it in a 3 woman scenario, that's just talking casually about a serious matter.
This proves my point even further. Having more than one mother would confuse the child on who to trust. A parent is supposed to be a figure you can trust. What happens when that figure is switching around 24/7.
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This is what you said. So, what is the reason (requirement) for segregation by gender as it relates to “different gender roles”?
Your talking as if the word reason and requirement are the same word. Well they aren't.
There is a reason that segregation when it comes to gender is fine, but it isn't a requirement.
There is no reason for segregation when it comes to race, and it isn't a requirement either.
Like a whites only restaurant or drinking fountain? You remind me of that famous picture showing little kids in KKK hoods and robes.
So white only dormitories would be racist, but black only dormitories isn't? Listen to yourself.
And don't hear what I'm not saying. We definitely shouldn't have white only things, but we shouldn't have black only things either. It goes both ways.
You are living proof that white supremacy still exists in this country because white supremacy and ignorance go together like peas and carrots.
No you are living proof of ignorance in this country.
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@Reece101
Aren’t you going by a case by case basis? If not, where’s the line?
No I'm not.
The line is drawn when the baby becomes a serious threat to the mothers life. Then that should be the moment where the mother decides what to do.
You would be focused on preventing these circumstances in the first place if you were genuine.Maybe focusing on better healthcare and/or looking at expenses of raising children.Don’t you want a healthy nuclear family?
Expense's of raising kids will stay the same. It has always been expensive to raise kids all throughout history.
I am genuine, because I do believe in pro-choice. I believe the woman has the choice to have sex or not have sex. That is where the choice part comes in.
If a someone makes a stupid decision, then they are subject to consequences correct?
So, same goes for women who decide to have sex if they are too young, not ready enough for commitment, and or don't want kids.
But once you make that choice, then you have to live with the consequences. And even then, there is a way out of it, without murdering the child. You could give it up for adoption, and make a family who doesn't have the ability to have children (who want children) happy.
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I think they are close to breaking the first phase, and starting up the second one early.
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@RationalMadman
No it isn't, the entire Islamic world firstly has proven differently and I know of plenty of toxic upbringings with that combination.
Yes it is.
Most Americans have raised there children with the one man and one woman way. America is thriving.
The Islamic world hasn't done that, and there is far more things like corruption, murder, violence, destruction in that area of the world.
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@Double_R
Yes, that would be far better, says every rational person ever.
No, says every stupid person who thinks we have infinite money. News flash, we have negative money and are still spending it.
World doesn't work that way.
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@Sidewalker
Trump increased the national debt by 8 trillion and now Republicans want to create a crisis by not increasing the debt limit to pay for Trumps spending.They think the Democrats should pay for Trump's spending, just like they thought the Mexicans should pay for Trump's wall
Yea, and Biden thinks the citizens on our borders should just "deal with" all the immigration crime.
But when we send a couple of busses of immigrants to there doorstep, then they all start freaking out.
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@RationalMadman
It is wrong, because the bonding of two people (man and a woman) is shown to be the perfect mix to raise children.
We want the best for children and the next generation, so we should do what is best for them.
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that does not answer the question; what did you mean when you said gender roles require segregation of boys and girls.
Never said it requires. I just used that as an example.
Think again why girls might want to go to school in an all girls environment (it’s not about avoiding pregnancy)
What is it about then?
Then think why blacks, or any other marginalized group, might want an environment that has been segregated.
So, when whites want a segregated group to themselves, that's wrong, but when blacks want a segregated group to themselves, that's ok?
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@Sidewalker
The mother and the doctor, but not the father? Why not?
Well it depends with the father.
If it is a rape, then definitely 100% the father should be castrated or killed.
But if it was concentull sex, then the woman is risking having a baby, by letting the man impregnate her.
Not his fault, if she let him do that act.
It's double standards though. Should the dad have a say in abortion?
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@Reece101
Making abortion illegal and unsafe is a threat to the mothers life regardless.Be honest, you don’t care about women and young girls.
Look at the title.
It should be illegal, except for cases where it is a risk to the mother's health.
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@Polytheist-Witch
I think I understand why you were banned. You have no debating ability, and all you do is complain.
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@Polytheist-Witch
I win.
YAY.
And I don't hate women. I just hate murdering babies.
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@IlDiavolo
California:
So about 200,000 to 300,000 abortions a year.
Texas:
About 50,000 abortions a year.
So, there is a 150,000 abortion difference, just from making it illegal.
Thats 150,000 lives you just saved.
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@Polytheist-Witch
I've already answered these questions in another post do you know why they're coming back up here again cause you started like six topics that involve fucking abortion, your goddamn obsessed with it. Get the fuck over it, we get it, you really hate women have freedom.
Well, if you haven't already realized, I'm too lazy to go through 6 pages of answers just to find yours. So, answer the simple question.
Well, what is your reason for this cutoff point? Why does the second before the baby comes out of the mother's body, determine a morally wrong thing to kill. What makes that distinction. What changed in that moment that make it wrong to kill?
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@Polytheist-Witch
You can play stupid all you want to you're not going to change the way I feel or think about it. And I will vote pro-choice up until a second before that kid's head comes out the fucking canal to spite mother fuckers like you.
Well, what is your reason for this cutoff point? Why does the second before the baby comes out of the mother's body, determine a morally wrong thing to kill. What makes that distinction. What changed in that moment that make it wrong to kill?
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@Polytheist-Witch
I'm not clicking any link on this website to jack shit. I presented my argument, abortion isn't pretty, doesn't mean it's murder or morally wrong.
Well, then I have a question for you:
What should be the exact cutoff point for abortion in your opinion. Surely there has to be one, because if there wasn't we would be promoting murder.
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@IlDiavolo
Yes, I am. Same with drugs.And I bet you in the states that abortion is prohibited, the rate won't change.
Ok.
In California abortion is legal, and in Texas, abortion is illegal, so let's compare. They have similar populations.
In California, the abortion rate is: "19.5 to 16.4 abortions per 1,000 women of reproductive age."
California makes up literally 15.4% of all abortions in the USA.
In Texas, the abortion rate is: "Around 50,000 to 55,000 Texans obtained abortions each year from 2014-21."
"In 2019, 21,826 abortions were performed for Hispanic individuals, which is about 8 abortions per 1,000 Hispanic women..."
So yes, making abortion illegal does change the rate drastically.
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@Polytheist-Witch
Who is being murdered? Show me the birth certificate, show me their social security number, show me their residents, show me a picture of them. Let me see the autopsy.
Watch the video. Would you still not consider that murder?
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@Public-Choice
I agree 100%.
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@Double_R
You ask for evidence, we give you evidence, yet you still complain that we aren't giving you enough, then have the audacity to call us lazy?
Seems to me you have run out of ideas.
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@Polytheist-Witch
Abortion is a medical procedure. There's no morality tied to it unless you're going to shove your religion in someone else's face. Women hating fucks.
Well, as long as murder is morally wrong the abortion is as well.
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