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You're arguing pregnancy is biological but sexual desire is not? Ok. 😆
That's not what I am arguing. Sexual desire is biological. The sexual desire boosts the rate in which people have sex. Therefore more people will be born because of that sexual desire.
That goes against what you said earlier - that person is not your body. So is it 'my body, my choice' or not?
That does not go against what I said earlier. The point is you are trying to compare abortion, to you being kidnaped then stuck in a room with an adult person who is unconscious for 9 months, and you are attached to them.
Consent to sex is consent to sex right now...not anything else; not pregnancy. That is simply a gross misunderstanding on your part.
Let me give you an example
If you agree to rob a bank with some guys, and they everyone has to agree not to snitch. They also say that their is a possibility that you will get caught. By going through with this plan, you are agreeing to the possibility that you might get caught. Same with sex. You are agreeing to the possibility of you maybe getting pregnant.
it seems kind of like you are trying to end the conversation and have the last word.
Where did you get that assumption? I am not trying to do that at all. In fact I want to hear what you have to say about this response to your argument.
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Being pro choice for abortion and being against abortion is conflicting.
I'm pro choice for anything that doesn't have to do with pregnancy/baby's/abortion
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@SkepticalOne
Another fact also. You didn't consent do being kidnaped.
Again I at this point I am only arguing against abortions that have been done with consensual sex.
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Unknown.
See and there's the problem.
So lets assume you don't know. Simple answer, you ask them.
Either way on what they say, it's not your decision if they die. It is the person who put you in that situation, who will be the real killer.
Saying you killed them, is like an officer shooting someone, and saying," I didn't shoot them, the gun did."
Your argument is comparing pregnancy, to a similar "Saw" game.
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@SkepticalOne
Ok then. Another question. Has the person who is attached to your arm also been kidnapped?
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Let's say you can't. Lets say you wake up in the morning to discover you were kidnapped in the middle of the night and someone was attached to your arm. You start to remove the tubes from your arm, but are told they will die without compounds in your blood. They should be independent in 9 months or so. What do you do?
So, your comparing getting kidnaped, to being pregnant.
This is what I want you to elaborate on.
Is the person who is attached to your arm, the one who kidnapped you?
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So, if someone latches on to your arm, that is effectively their arm now?
No. And you can remove them from your arm without killing them. You can't remove a fetus/baby out of the womb, before a certain time frame, without it dying.
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So, if someone latches on to your arm, that is effectively their arm now?
Listen. My point is that if you decide to have sex, which is giving consent to sex, and a possible pregnancy, then you shouldn't be able to get an abortion just for your own convenience, because the baby inside of you is a living human, that 99.9998 percent of the time, is not causing harm to your body, therefore, therefore, you cant do anything to hurt, or murder that living human.
It's not like all women just wake up one day and there suddenly pregnant for no apparent reason, and people force them to give birth. No, they make that decision, whether its a bad sexual decision, or just a plain stupid decision.
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I am making the point that when you have sex with someone else, there is a probability that through biological processes, a repeat performance could be conceived. The same overly broad definition which conflates consent to sex/consent to pregnancy distorts consent into a nonsensical and meaningless conception.
No. It is through Choice and Choice alone, that a repeat process could be conceived. It is through Biological processes that a pregnancy could occur.
Even by this definition, pleasure and pregnancy are not tied together. Sex can be for pleasure, pregnancy, or both.
Well what is the biological purpose of sex. Clearly we did not evolve to have sex, just for pleasure through nature. That is an added function.
The soul purpose of having sex biologically, is to reproduce.
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The womb belongs to the woman. Her womb, her choice, right?
Yes, but were not talking about her womb. Were talking about the fetus/baby.
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I've noticed that Andrew Tate has begun to go viral lately. I've watched some of his videos, and the things he's said.
I both strongly agree, and strongly disagree with many of his points.
Thoughts?
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Your arm, so your choice.
Take note of the bolded words.
I believe entirely on people should have the right to whatever they want to there body, but a fetus/baby isn't part of the woman's body, therefore, its not her choice.
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@SkepticalOne
If someone consents to sex, are they undeniably accepting the fact that there is a possibility their partner might want sex again later, therefore, consenting to sex with that person forever?That's just not how consent works...
No, that's not what I said. They are undeniably accepting the fact that there is a possibility that they might get pregnant.
Saying: "If someone consents to sex, are they undeniably accepting the fact that there is a possibility their partner might want sex again later, therefore, consenting to sex with that person forever?" Doesn't mean that the person consents to sex with the person forever.
I am making the point that when you are having sex with someone else, there is a probability that through biological processes, a baby could be conceived.
If you are having sex with someone else, and they want to have sex later, then you don't have to consent, because your indicial act of having sex was already done with that person, therefore you don't have to consent again.
But with pregnancy, you are already committing to both sexes, and the possibility of concaving a child, when you give that first initial consent to sex.
Sex is defined as a way to impregnate, or become pregnant, or a way to feel pleasure, therefore by consenting to sex, you are consenting to both of those things.
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Elon Musk; he pays for Tesla employees to get abortions if they want them because Tesla's home state (Texas) outlaws abortions.2) Israel. Israel has taxpayer funded abortion with extremely left wing abortion laws. Palestine does not.
Though these are factual claims, I agree that you shouldn't support people who do these things. And by support, I mean go out of your way to help them.
But I don't think people should hate on these people, just because of difference in opinion.
I debate abortion all the time on DART, but I don't hate any of the people I debate.
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@SirAnonymous
@TheUnderdog
If I'm understanding you correctly, this would mean that the difference between men and women is brain structure?
There are actually differences between a male and a female brain.
I would define a woman as anyone who is born a biological female. And no, I don't care if people are hurt by that fact.
Fun Fact:
Facts don't care about your feelings.
But good argument though.
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@SkepticalOne
Yes, it is. Let's put it this way:
If you are consenting to sex, then you are undeniably accepting the fact that there is a possibility that you will get pregnant, therefore, consenting to pregnancy as well.
If you are not aware that sex, can lead to pregnancy, then, you shouldn't probably be having sex.
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Everyone knows that Biden’s policies are not as lenient towards the oil and gas industry as they would like, that doesn’t mean he is single-handedly responsible for the increases.
Yes of course not single handedly, but the decisions he has made, have increased the gas prices more than they could have been, if he hadn't made stupid decisions.
Again, if you know anything about the oil industry you’d know it is a global market, no US President could make that kind of impact.
Which is surprising, because not a lot of the U.S. presidents in history have made this much of an impact. I am not looking to blame Biden for the full increase of gas, but to blame him for making prices exponentially worse than they could have been.
The White House has tried to deflect blame for the insane surge in gas prices onto Russian President Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine. And, to be fair, gas prices are definitely not completely within any president’s control. They absolutely are influenced by global factors, and the disruption in the global energy market caused by Putin’s invasion certainly has contributed to higher prices.
But Biden isn’t off the hook. Gas prices started rising long before the invasion, and the president still has direct responsibility for how his policies have contributed to this problem.
Here are three specific things Biden has done that have led to increased gas prices.1. Canceling Drilling Leases and Limiting Domestic ProductionSince taking office, Biden has taken too many steps to count to limit domestic production. These include halting federal permits for oil and gas drilling and leasing shortly after taking office and blocking drilling in a major oil-rich Alaskan region.To be clear, these decisions will mostly affect future production. But that does still significantly affect gas prices because companies factor in their expectations about the future into the decisions they make today.“Some say that new leases … would have taken time and would not yet be online, but even so, there is evidence that expectations of increased future supply has a beneficial impact on current prices and expectations of future supply drying up has a negative impact on current prices,” the Competitive Enterprise Institute’s Ben Lieberman said.“At a day-to-day level, I am hearing from drillers that they are having a very hard time getting all the approvals they need from [the Environmental Protection Agency] and other agencies in order to produce on existing wells, and of course, new federal leasing has come to a halt,” Lieberman added.It’s just basic economics that when the government throttles future supply in an industry, that will lead to higher prices both now and in the future. Biden was warned by many critics at the time that this would happen, but he proceeded anyway.2. Choking Regulations that Impose Big Costs and Lead to Higher PricesSpeaking of basic economics, it’s well established that when businesses’ costs rise, that puts upward pressure on the prices they charge consumers. The oil and gas industry is no exception.And unfortunately, the Biden administration has both proposed and implemented a wide array of regulations on the energy sector, inflicting billions in direct financial costs and incalculable indirect compliance costs — plus further harming expectations for the future.“The regulatory chokehold imposed by the Biden administration on oil production in place of a Green New Deal has drastically raised gasoline prices, thereby hurting lower-income people the most,” said conservative economist Vance Ginn, who served in the Trump administration.“This is yet another example of the high cost of big-government environmentalism when the better approach is to remove government barriers so that free markets can better let people adapt to changes in the environment at a much lower cost,” Ginn concluded.3. Anti-Energy Rhetoric that Discourages InvestmentRhetoric matters. While words don’t literally do anything to change gas prices, the signals coming from policymakers absolutely do affect the long-term investment decisions businesses make.And even as a presidential candidate, Biden sent very negative messages about what his leadership would mean for the gas industry.In just one example, as Americans for Tax Reform pointed out, Biden said during a campaign stop: “We are going to get rid of fossil fuels. … We’re going to phase out fossil fuels.” Then, upon taking office, the president followed these words with actions such as canceling the Keystone XL pipeline, blocking leases, restricting imports, and pursuing regulations.In general, Biden’s open hostility toward the oil and gas industry has almost certainly curbed investment into production that otherwise would’ve occurred.“Such extinction rhetoric, coming from the now-president, has an unprecedented chilling effect on investment,” Lieberman said. To put it simply, less investment means less supply — which means higher prices.It’s absolutely true that our high gas prices aren’t entirely Biden’s fault. But the president is not the helpless bystander his defenders would have you believe.
So yes, a majority has been caused because of outside Global oil industries, but Biden is still to blame for these insane gas prices, given that they could have been lowered exponentially.
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@SkepticalOne
@Barney
Pregnancy requires the use of someone's body. So...it IS their body and taking away control of it is slavery.
So, giving consent to someone having sex with you, and you getting pregnant is slavery.
I'm not talking about rape/incest cases. I'm talking about cases just for peoples own convenience.
Also, a fetus/baby is not part of the woman's body, therefore it isn't her body, her choice.
Lose of their freedom of autonomy,
Not their body.
, to instead become property for use as medical devices
Elaborate.
Adding to it, they are not paid for their time and hardships in this
Yes, because they chose to have sex without protection, and knew the consequences. Again, I am only talking about abortion for peoples own convenience.
And most obviously, slavery and similar forms of forced servitude are outlawed by the Thirteenth Amendment.
So, if you don't get to have an abortion, then you are a slave?
I could say the same for literally anything else.
I don't get to chop off my own arm by myself at home just because of my own convenience. I could argue that is a violation of "my body my choice".
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The problem is no actual person is harmed. Whereas enslaving women creates a massive harm to them, their families, and society.
How is making abortion illegal enslaving women.
In all pregnancy's 90% of the time the woman purposely has sex. Therefore, whether the couple used protection or not, they were aware of the consequences of what could happen.
And how is it enslaving women, if it's not their body to begin with.
"The fetus is a part of the mother’s body. if the fetus is a part of the mother’s body, then all pregnant women are chromosomal mosaics. That is, they are organisms that have two sets of genomes. Chromosome mosaicism is a rare disorder and is not synonymous with pregnancy. There is no such thing as “transient chromosomal mosaicism.” Furthermore, if the fetus is a part of the mother’s body, then half of pregnant women are hermaphrodites — i.e., they contain both male and female tissues. Needless to say, “transient gestational hermaphroditism” is not a recognized medical disorder.
Furthermore, if a new human life begins by a piece of the mother’s body becoming a new organism, then human beings reproduce by budding. Budding is a form of asexual reproduction used by some species of worms, sponges, corals, and microorganisms, but it is not a means of human reproduction.
There is no biological sense to be made of the claim that “the fetus is part of the mother’s body.” The claim leads to scientific implications that are nonsense. "
Furthermore, if a new human life begins by a piece of the mother’s body becoming a new organism, then human beings reproduce by budding. Budding is a form of asexual reproduction used by some species of worms, sponges, corals, and microorganisms, but it is not a means of human reproduction.
There is no biological sense to be made of the claim that “the fetus is part of the mother’s body.” The claim leads to scientific implications that are nonsense. "
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@BrotherD.Thomas
Brother D.,
I have already, responded to all of your questions and arguments.
I would be more than happy to accept a debate from you given that you would accept anyways.
But since I'm a chill guy, I will re-answer your questions just for the sake of truth.
First thing Bible fool, creation was 6 DAYS, and NOT 7 days like you proposed because Jesus as our serial killer God RESTED upon the 7th day in not creating anything, understood? Duh!
Yes, I agree. The creation was 6 days. Then on the 7th day, God rested. I proposed the creation story to elaborate on 7 days not the whole 7 days entitling creation.
Secondly, which contradicting Creation narrative are you referring to, Genesis 1 or 2, in your comical and out of context Day Age Theory?
Both, because Genesis 1 was about how God created the Heavens and the Earth, plants and animals, night and day, etc.
Genisis 2 talks more about how God created Adam and Eve.
The theory that I believe to be true, may very well work with both of these chapters.
Thirdly, God created the world and the universe at approximately 6000 years ago with the linage of Adam to Jesus, and Jesus to the present day, where I have shown you this Biblical axiom therefore it being approximately 6000 years, GET IT BIBLE FOOL?
First of all, where in the bible did it state that God created the world and the universe at approximately 6000 years ago? It does not state it did, or it didn't. I have used other evidence in the Bible to further my argument in the "Day and Age Theory."
Now, if you want to embarrass yourself further, we'll use your "out of context," which you still don't understand, "Day Age Theory," where a day is a thousand years to God. Then, since Jesus as God used 6 DAYS to create the world and universe, then the linage from Adam to Jesus, and Jesus to the present day, we add 12,000 years because of your birdbrained assumption of using a day is equal to a thousand days to God relative to the Creation Story. LOL!
Well actually I claimed the scripture to be a metaphor for the fact that God exists outside of time, not a literal thousand years.
SIDEBAR: In using your brainless "Day Age Theory," this means that Jesus "rested" for a 1000 years after His Creation on the 7th day! See how STUPID your thousand years equal a day to God truly is when using it for the Creation Story? Yeah, deep down you do.
Well, no. You are interpreting what I said wrong. I used the scripture Psalm 90:4.
"A thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night."
I used this scripture as a metaphor, to the fact that God exists outside of time. If God exists outside of time, then the way he interprets time, is different from how we interpret time. Therefore, the story of creation, could have been 7 days, 7000, years, etc. It may as well of been millions of years.
Therefore, EXPLAIN the biblical axiom that we are 6000 years, or 12,000 years to date from Creation, where the dinosaurs existed by science 66 million years ago, or, are you ungodly going with this theory as shown in this image: https://www.imagebam.com/view/MEH9BV7
Well first of all, the first part of this claim, I have already explained in this post.
Secondly, funny picture.
And finally, the question of how dinosaurs died, actually can be backed up in science, and the bible.
Before the flood of the Earth, humans in the bible were said to have lived for hundreds of years.
Thinking about this logically, this can be proven by the same fact that proves that dinosaurs couldn't live today.
When the dinosaurs were still around, the ozone layer of the Earth was stronger than it is today. This means that there was a surplus of oxygen, allowing animals and living things to grow bigger, and live longer. But over time when the ozone layer started to deteriorate, and the dinosaurs couldn't survive.
And I doubt that this will be your last post, so if you have any other concerns about my faith, then you can debate me about them.
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- The most this says is the beloved Jesus (pbuh) came to be before the beloved Abraham (pbuh).
” John 8:58 “Jesus answered them: 'I solemnly declare it: before Abraham came to be, I AM.” This was the name God gave himself when he first communicated with Moses.:"
This is also true for others in your own Bible. I still don't see any reference to anything that resembles the Trinity.
The difference here, is that the full Trinity, God the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost were present.
God the father being the voice from heaven
God the son being Jesus himself
God the Holy Ghost being the dove flying from the heavens.
- The beloved Jesus (pbuh) is also referred to in the Quran as the "Word of God" & the Archangel Gabriel as the "Holy Spirit of God", YET we don't say these are God Himself. There is no justifiable way to make that jump, in fact it's logically & metaphysically impossible.
Well, if you want to refer to the Quran, then that's a different topic, but, like you stated," given that everything in the Bible is true".
- So God, the necessary being non-contingent on anything, becomes contingent on His creation?
Yes. Its simple really.
- Indeed, you yourself reject belief in the Trinity
When did I say I reject belief in the Trinity.
God not only can be not-God, but in fact, IS not-God.
No God is always God, but Jesus is also fully man, and fully God, he is not, just human, but God as well fully.
- You don't understand what God is. God is not your next door's neighbor. God is the ultimate reality, the necessary being on whom all rely. A necessary being is, by definition, such that His existence is necessary that He can not not exist. Saying, God can end Himself is a self-contradiction.
Well, it's a contradiction both ways. If you are saying that God is the ultimate reality, and can do anything, then saying he can't end himself is also a contradiction. But saying God could end himself is less of a contradiction, given God can do anything.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
“Reuters Fact Check examined the main claims presented in the film and did not find any concrete evidence definitively showing proof of fraud”
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Like I have said before, Jesus and I are going to have a lot of fun at your Bible dumbfounded expense, praise!
ok buddy
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I thought you said you refuse to consider politically biased news.
I said I refuse to consider politically biased news, that don't put down facts.
The media can say all it wants, but when it comes down to it, facts is all that matters.
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@zedvictor4
Listen, I don't agree, that transgender people should be banned, or have any less rights than anyone else. I agree with the premise that "transgenderism" doesn't exist. But I don't think people have the right to take away other rights on how they want to define themselves. If you want to be defined as a woman, but your a biological male, you can and vise versa. But where I draw the line, is when the LGBTQ+ community expect the whole of society to suddenly change the way they talk to people.
You don't have the right to make people say what you want to hear.
You have the right to "identify" as whatever you want, but it is a personal identity and nothing more.
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It’s precisely because this is an emotively charged debate that makes pro lifers unequivocally wrong on this subject because they toss all logic and facts out the window with the bath water.
No your basing your arguments on emotion, by getting mad at me for being right.
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@zedvictor4
Abortion is a very emotional topic.
But the facts show that abortion practiced by doctors, is murder.
So yes, pro-life is right. It's in the name pro-life.
Anything going against the right to life is morally wrong and should be looked at as such.
And Pro-abortions claims that it is her body her choice, is bull****.
The baby is not in fact a part of her body, it only resides in her body, till ready to come out of the womb. But it is still a living child.
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THE METHODOLOGYD’Souza and True the Vote analyzed surveillance footage of drop boxes mostly from Georgia, as well as “some” from Arizona, along with “geotracking” data purchased from unnamed brokers.The “geotracking” data was gleaned from cellphone apps pinpointing device location and movements between Oct. 1, 2020, and election day, Nov. 3, for Arizona, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, according to the documentary. Data for Georgia stretched until January, when there was a runoff vote.The documentary alleges that by tracking phone locations to the addresses of five alleged “stash house” nonprofits and 10 or more drop boxes, the “mules” were identified.There were 242 people in Atlanta, Georgia, who fitted the bill; 200+ in Arizona; 100 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin; 500+ in Michigan, and 1,000+ mules in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania – totaling over 2,000 “mules”.Viewers were then shown multiple surveillance footage clips of different people at drop boxes, which the documentary said it had identified as some of the ballot traffickers carrying out their crimes.GEOTRACKINGMultiple concerns were raised by experts speaking to Reuters about the “geotracking” portion of the documentary. It was unclear whether the same test was applied anywhere other than the swing states in question (to prove a unique phenomenon had happened), along with data validity, accuracy, and discussion about other possibilities that could explain the findings.“The entirety of the claim rests on cell phone location data, which doesn’t remotely show that people were actually using the drop boxes (it doesn’t have the granularity to show that, as opposed to just walking or even driving by),” said Kenneth R Mayer, Professor of Political Science at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, who spoke to Reuters via email.According to True the Vote founder Catherine Engelbrecht, who spoke in the documentary, the dataset had been validated because it was used by the organization to solve two murder cases that were “ebbing on cold case status”.Only one murder case was detailed as an example in the documentary – that of eight-year-old Secoriea Turner on July 4, 2020, in Atlanta – and which authorities told NPR was solved without anything to do with Engelbrecht (here).D’Souza, meanwhile, claimed without offering evidence that the dataset had the “reliability of a fingerprint”, expanding in a later podcast interview that it was accurate to between “12 and 18 inches” (here).
I think they were just doing their research.
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You can’t blame Biden for high gas prices merely because he is the president, and then when prices go down claim he had nothing to do with it.
Contradiction?
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True, because Trump was doing more damage to NATO than Putin could do himself.
Elaborate please. I would really like to hear what you have to say about this.
You are stupid. 20 times a day on any conservative media you can hear some Republican blaming Biden for high gas prices, especially in the run up to Election Day.
Actually, it's the opposite. You hear more Democratic media, because of the bias of the Media, more than you hear conservative media. Why?
Because they want to silence the truth for their own benefit.
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@Double_R
So is it just coincidence that global food and gas costs skyrocketed during the same time period? Please enlighten me.
Gladly.
Here are 25 decisions the president has made over the last year that have affected gas prices, home heating costs, and other energy-related burdens U.S. families and businesses face.#1 and 2: Adopting new EPA oil and gas rules
In November 2021, the Environmental Protection Agency announced new regulations governing methane emissions from oil and gas production, transmission, storage, and distribution that would cost more than $1 billion a year.
Last spring, Biden signed a resolution that overturned Trump administration reforms to EPA oil and gas rules. This resolution will worsen energy poverty, reestablish burdensome regulations, and have a disproportionate impact on small businesses.
#3, #4, #5, #6, #7, and #8: Restricting or impeding energy projects
One of Biden’s first actions after taking office was to halt new oil and gas leases on federal lands and waters, the Biden administration has delayed decisions on these leases — a move that results in higher energy costs for the most vulnerable consumers.
The administration canceled the Keystone XL pipeline and suspended oil and gas leases in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and New Mexico (despite opposition from the Navajo Nation). It also resurrected the “Waters of the United States” rule, which would increase barriers to energy projects.
The White House is pursuing new standards for particulate matter and ozone, likely tightening them to unachievable levels for much of the country and creating new barriers for energy project permits.
The president also has rescinded Endangered Species Act reforms, a move that will increase red tape and allow litigation to slow down energy projects.
#9: Rejoining the Paris agreement
In April 2021, without the consent of Congress, Biden rejoined the Paris agreement, which will result in onerous new regulations that could raise energy costs.
#10: Appointing unaccountable energy regulators
The president has created several bodies within the White House charged with creating new policies to regulate energy. The people who run these councils are unelected and do not need Senate confirmation, but they have been given broad powers to come up with new executive actions — which do not need consent from Congress — to regulate U.S. energy production.
#11: Forcing states to restrict driving
One section of the recently enacted Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act, supported by the White House, would require every U.S. state to develop state carbon-reduction plans that must be approved by the U.S. Department of Transportation as well as be updated every four years.
These plans are aimed at reducing driving all over the country — even for people in rural areas where public transportation is limited, and driving is the only option.
#12, #13, and #14: Raising the prices of cars and trucks
The Biden administration has failed to take adequate action on annual requirements and small refinery waivers for the Renewable Fuel Standard and in providing regulatory relief from this biofuel mandate due to economic hardship. His EPA has finalized a new rule regulating greenhouse gas emissions from cars and trucks. That single regulation could raise the average vehicle price by $1,000.
#15: Instituting a new policy on carbon taxes in organized wholesale electricity markets
This carbon pricing policy statement, issued by the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission in April 2021, is a blanket endorsement of top-down policies that have been demonstrated to be costly, ineffective, regressive, and consistently rejected by the American people.
#16: Raising the prices of common household necessities
The EPA has issued a final rule to phase out a common, inexpensive refrigerant. This policy is a de facto tax on air conditioning and refrigeration.
#17: Stifling energy innovation
In May 2021, Biden issued a sweeping executive order that mobilized federal agencies, including the Securities and Exchange Commission, to enforce mandates on businesses, insurers, retirement funds, and suppliers. These policies will stifle innovation critical to improving the environment and will increase costs for a wide variety of businesses.
#18: Altering regulatory cost analyses
The Biden administration has changed key inputs for economic and regulatory analysis, including raising the “social cost” of greenhouse gases. These policies will mask the true consumer cost of regulatory actions.
#19 and #20: Imposing new costs on power generation
The administration attempted to resurrect an aggressive version of the Clean Power Plan for power sector mandates called the Clean Electricity Standard.
In the Fall 2021 Unified Agenda, the EPA stated their intention to propose what can be considered the Clean Power Plan 2.0. This policy would impose burdensome regulations but would have little or no environmental benefit.
The EPA also has mandated that even facilities with reduced emissions must remain on the list of “major” sources, subjecting these facilities to permitting burdens and higher costs.
#21: Impeding Americans exports
The administration is considering potential restrictions on the export of crude oil that would increase, not decrease, energy prices.
#22 and #23: Raising taxes
More than one-quarter of the administration-backed Build Back Better agenda is pulled directly from the “Green New Deal.” The Build Back Better agenda includes new taxes on natural gas and home heating. It also includes new taxes on petroleum and manufacturing.
#24: Picking energy winners and losers
The Build Back Better agenda would spend taxpayer dollars to push utilities to adopt more costly, politically preferred forms of energy, a move that would reduce Americans’ energy choices.
#25: Fueling the fire for future regulation
Finally, through the Civilian Climate Corps, Build Back Better would fund the salaries of tens of thousands of anti-energy activists who would perpetuate high energy costs by demanding new and costly federal regulations and legislation.
Unlike releasing oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, these 25 steps are not just a “drop in the ocean.”
They have made, and will continue to make, a significant impact on Americans’ ability to afford the energy products that fuel their lives and livelihoods.
"The national average for a gallon of gas for Americans has risen to $4.86, $0.80 cents higher than it was in March.
As Americans return to work and plan summer vacations they are faced with rising gas prices. (Not to mention higher costs for electricity, home heating, and groceries!!)
The price at the pump and for home expenses began to rise before the Russian invasion of Ukraine. At the end of 2021, President Joe Biden announced the U.S. Department of Energy will release 50 million barrels of crude oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve.
Energy experts told PBS interviewers that tapping the SPR won’t drive down gas prices. The decision was little more than “a drop in the ocean” when it comes to energy policy, one person said.
The decision also won’t counteract Biden administration policies that have caused rising energy costs — and that will continue to drive prices higher in the future."
As Americans return to work and plan summer vacations they are faced with rising gas prices. (Not to mention higher costs for electricity, home heating, and groceries!!)
The price at the pump and for home expenses began to rise before the Russian invasion of Ukraine. At the end of 2021, President Joe Biden announced the U.S. Department of Energy will release 50 million barrels of crude oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve.
Energy experts told PBS interviewers that tapping the SPR won’t drive down gas prices. The decision was little more than “a drop in the ocean” when it comes to energy policy, one person said.
The decision also won’t counteract Biden administration policies that have caused rising energy costs — and that will continue to drive prices higher in the future."
Yes, global prices have been rising, but not at this rate. Biden has made decisions, that have been proven to directly cause an influx of gas, and food prices. Global price rase has only had a small effect on the country. The rest is from the Biden Administrations bad decisions.
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- No. Nowhere in the Bible does it say Jesus (pbuh) is God. That's just conjecture.
'” John 8:58 “Jesus answered them: 'I solemnly declare it: before Abraham came to be, I AM.” This was the name God gave himself when he first communicated with Moses.:"
"Exodus 3:14 “God replied, 'I am who am. ' Then he added, 'This is what you shall tell the Israelites: I AM sent me to you. '”
- The Trinity factually does not figure in the Bible, not in letter or meaning. & I have disproven the Trinity, it's False by definition. The same way a married bachelor is False by definition.13 Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John. 14 But John tried to deter him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?”
15 Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Then John consented.
16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. 17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.” (Matthew 3:13-16 NIV).
The Trinity is right here actually.
God the Father "...voice from heaven said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased."
God the Son: Jesus, the one being baptized. If we also link this with, "'” John 8:58 “Jesus answered them: 'I solemnly declare it: before Abraham came to be, I AM.” This was the name God gave himself when he first communicated with Moses.:" Then we know that Jesus is God.
God the Holy Ghost "...and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him.
- You first sentence undoes your last. God is outside time & space. The Trinity is about a God inside time & space. It's utter nonsense.
No, I said God, lives/exists outside of said box. He can enter the "box" and do/change certain things, but all in all, he exists outside of said box.
- So, it is possible for God to not be God?
No.
Is is possible for God to create His own God? Is is possible for God to end Himself?
Yes, but doing this would go against his own scripture and writings.
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ok buddy, but I still don't hear any argument from your side to counter mine. Only insults.
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Lockdowns are not effective to stop the spread of the virus:
Don't know if I agree with this one entirely, but yea good point.
But let's give the Democrats some credit to, otherwise we look biased.
Democrats did make a good point in saying that Trump says some questionable, and out of the water things. I agree with this, because Trump has a big ego. But just because of that flaw, that doesn't make him a bad president.
He made significant progress with the growing of our economy and growing of our country.
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Second of all, even if we assume everything in the Bible is true, that still doesn't entail Jesus (pbuh) is God.
Yes, it does, because if you assume everything in the Bible to be true.... then it's true.
This is why I brought out the God calls himself God in my earlier argument, because if we were to assume everything in the Bible to be true, then God saying he is God must have been true.
- I just disproved the Trinity. There is no world in which the Trinity is true, the same way there is no world in which a square circle is true.
Well, you see, now you're contradicting yourself. First you say the Trinity doesn't appear in the Bible, which was false.
Then you said that you disproved something in the Bible: The Trinity, which you didn't
So, is it or is it not in the Bible?
Also, the Trinity is true. God lives outside all physical elements that we are used to. It's just like the box interpretation I made an example to.
All of everything, Laws of Physics, Biology, Time, Space, everything is the box. But God lives outside the box.
So, we may not be able to fully comprehend the Trinity, but that doesn't disprove it.
- Don't be too sure. Maybe other religions do offer better proof, you don't know that.
What proof? I've studied many other religions, not just stuck to Christianity. In fact, I used to be an atheist, before I came to the facts and evidence before me.
- Buddy, Christians themselves differ on the truth of the Trinity. The earlier Christians, in fact, had no such belief. Duality was also a belief that predates the Trinity. I don't have to tell you that the Trinity only became mainstream following the Counsel of Nicaea.
Your argument is:
Other denominations don't believe in the Trinity.
Therefore, all of Christians, must be wrong on the truth of the Trinity.
There are other denominations of Christians, who do in fact not believe in the Trinity. But even if the Trinity didn't exist, it wouldn't disprove Christianity. I wouldn't be suprised if it didn't, but I do believe it does, because of the way my denomination interprets the scripture.
- Level with me here. Jesus (pbuh) is man right? So he is contingent on time & space right? Therefore, he is a contingent being. Therefore, not a necessary being. Therefore, not God. Right?
No. Jesus was fully man, and fully God. He lived by the laws of Time and Space, but only to experience true humanhood, live a perfect life, so that he could prove to others and himself it was possible to do, and sacrificed himself to save us.
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FINALLY, when you said "well, okay then" you are accepting our serial killer Jesus for what He is, and will be further shown to be jealous, selfish, self-centered, petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capricious, and malevolent primitive Bronze and Iron Age God!.
.... you know what I meant.
And frankly, it's been a pleasure arguing with someone who knows so little about the Bible.
Thank you for your time, Brother D. I've answered all of your questions and explained them in detail.
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Something you and many similar to you fail to understand is that just because it is how you feel doesnt mean it is how others feel.
Well, I try to base my "feelings" off of actual facts, which I have provided for you.
Try your "research" again and look for the points and facts you dont agree with.
Already have. Still don't agree with them. Facts say otherwise. How about you do the same?
I dont really care if you agree or not, but I want you to just see them. They might seem insane and unreasonable to you, but I just want you to know that is is really out there.
Yea, there are a lot of things out there. Not all of them are true.
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Heads up, you didn't say "witnessed through science" did you, bible fool? NO YOU DIDN'T! This is the best you can do in trying to dig yourself out of a hole that you dug for yourself in what you actually stated? LOL!
So just to get this straight, when I said, “but we witnessed it in a different way than he did," you really thought I was saying literally witnessed it.
Way to be a definition junky buddy.
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You seem to have missed the part where I explained, so I’ll try again; he spent months before a single vote had ever been cast telling his supporters the election was going to be stolen, he declared victory before the votes had even been counted, he spent months following the election telling his supporters the election was in the process of being stolen, and then he invited all of his supporters to the Capitol where, despite intelligence warnings being issued to him that there was likely to be violence, held a rally telling his supporters to “fight like hell”. Then, while all of this was going on, he sat and watched in the dining room while refusing to make a single phone call or lift a finger of any kind to stop what was happening. He didn’t put out the video telling them to leave till 3 hours later after everyone, including Fox News hosts pleaded with him to tell them to stop.
"The core of the defense team’s argument was that the former President’s rhetoric did not meet the criminal bar for incitement. His lawyers lingered on Democrats’ using as evidence Trump telling his supporters to “fight like hell” in his speech preceding the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol, and they played reels of selectively edited video of Democrats saying the word “fight” to normalize Trump’s language. The false equivalency ignored the context of Trump’s incendiary comments, but seemed to resonate with some Republican Senators.
“The president’s lawyers blew the House managers’ case out of the water,” said Wisconsin Senator Ron Johnson. “Showing up the hypocrisy and the First Amendment arguments, they just legally eviscerated” the Democrats’ legal team."
“The president’s lawyers blew the House managers’ case out of the water,” said Wisconsin Senator Ron Johnson. “Showing up the hypocrisy and the First Amendment arguments, they just legally eviscerated” the Democrats’ legal team."
"For years, Democrats have gotten away with election fraud and weak Republicans. And that's what they are. There's so many weak Republicans. And we have great ones. Jim Jordan and some of these guys, they're out there fighting. The House guys are fighting. But it's, it's incredible.
Anyone you want, but I think right here, we're going to walk down to the Capitol, and we're going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women, and we're probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them.
I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.
All they, all these people, don't get bored, don't get angry at me because you're going to get bored because it's so much.
The American people do not believe the corrupt, fake news anymore. They have ruined their reputation. But you know, it used to be that they'd argue with me. I'd fight. So I'd fight, they'd fight, I'd fight, they'd fight. Pop pop. You'd believe me, you'd believe them. Somebody comes out. You know, they had their point of view, I had my point of view, but you'd have an argument.
Now what they do is they go silent. It's called suppression and that's what happens in a communist country. That's what they do, they suppress. You don't fight with them anymore. Unless it's a bad story. They have a little bad story about me, they make it 10 times worse and it's a major headline.
The American people do not believe the corrupt, fake news anymore. They have ruined their reputation. But you know, it used to be that they'd argue with me. I'd fight. So I'd fight, they'd fight, I'd fight, they'd fight. Pop pop. You'd believe me, you'd believe them. Somebody comes out. You know, they had their point of view, I had my point of view, but you'd have an argument.
Now what they do is they go silent. It's called suppression and that's what happens in a communist country. That's what they do, they suppress. You don't fight with them anymore. Unless it's a bad story. They have a little bad story about me, they make it 10 times worse and it's a major headline.
"And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore.
Our exciting adventures and boldest endeavors have not yet begun. My fellow Americans, for our movement, for our children, and for our beloved country.
And I say this despite all that's happened. The best is yet to come.
So we're going to, we're going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue. I love Pennsylvania Avenue. And we're going to the Capitol, and we're going to try and give.
The Democrats are hopeless — they never vote for anything. Not even one vote. But we're going to try and give our Republicans, the weak ones because the strong ones don't need any of our help. We're going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country."
Our exciting adventures and boldest endeavors have not yet begun. My fellow Americans, for our movement, for our children, and for our beloved country.
And I say this despite all that's happened. The best is yet to come.
So we're going to, we're going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue. I love Pennsylvania Avenue. And we're going to the Capitol, and we're going to try and give.
The Democrats are hopeless — they never vote for anything. Not even one vote. But we're going to try and give our Republicans, the weak ones because the strong ones don't need any of our help. We're going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country."
I think that it is safe to assume that using the context he was talking in, and the context clues in the article, that Trump was speaking about fighting in the political sense, not the physical sense.
No president with an IQ above room temperature would not have known that such actions would potentially result in violence. There is a reason we had been using the word “dangerous” to describe them since Election Day.
How would he have seen this coming exactly. I mean, how do you think Trump would know what his supporters would do, even though they've never done something this violent before. I think your opinion of Trump is blinding your facts. He claimed victory before the vote reading, and that proves what? That he's kind of cocky? Ok well how does that prove him inciting a riot in the capital.
And Jan. 6, White House footage shows police and FBI waving people in the capitol letting in the protesters, and not trying to stop them at all, even opening doors for them.
For him to stand up there in the middle of all this and say “peacefully protest” one time does not override all of this. What Trump did is a classic strategy that no rational person should need explained to them, but Trump’s personal attorney for ten years already has. He testified at length and confirmed in multiple interviews since how Trump operates, that he always throws in lines like this as a way of telling people what he really wants from them. These are mob tactics and his attorney became very familiar with his use of them over the decade he served him. But again, this is all common sense.
It really irritates me, when normal people say that this stuff is just common sense. If it really was common sense, then Trump would have been charged immediately, but no, they had to have an investigation.
If you tell someone that their voice has been stolen, the remedy to fix that cannot logically be to use their voice. That is self defeating as it is a logical contradiction.
So, they are just supposed to be quiet and take the fraud, and let the government take over?
Now in no way am I supporting the people who rioted the capital, but the right to free speech is a thing.
We live in a democratic society, which means that we resolve our differences through persuasion. If Trump persuaded the American people to elect him and that was stolen, we no longer live in a democratic society. If we no longer live in a democratic society, the only remedy remaining to get your way is force.
Actually, this is a common misconception, we actually live in a democratic republic.
"The United States government is a complex entity known as a democratic republic. This essentially means that the government operates on the principles of both a republic and a democracy. In other words, the nation functions upon principles that are common in both republics and democracies. The American Heritage Dictionary defines a republic as “a political order in which the supreme power lies in a body of citizens who are entitled to vote for officers and representatives responsible to them.” The Merriam-Webster Dictionary defines democracy as “a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections.” In other words, in a republic there are a group of citizens elected or appointed to represent the people, but with a democracy the power is theoretically in the hands of usually all voting citizens. A democratic republic is a mixture of the two."
You can’t assemble people and tell them that their only means remaining is force, and then throw one line into a speech to be peaceful and expect that anyone listening too drown out the rest of the speech and take that one line seriously. Read the damn transcript of his speech. The word “peacefully” does not fit with anything else he said that day. All of his supporters that day understood this. Why don’t you?
He actually talks about peace a lot in that speech. I should know, I have read it over many times.
I deride Trump along with any individual who engages in conspiratorial thinking, which is notorious for its high concentration of classic logical fallacies.
So, you make fun of Trump, for making up conspiracies, while one of the reasons you think Trump incited the Jan. 6 riot, was because he was looking at people weird?
Thats not a conspiracy at all...........
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YOUR FEEBLE QUOTE RELATIVE TO THE CREATION STORY TO PROVE MY POINT: “ ......... but for the human interpretation of it, science explains what it looked like for us. God created all of it, but we witnessed it in a different way than he did.” https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/8271/post-links/359631Key phrase of your quote relative to the Creation Story shown above: “but we witnessed" it in a different way than he did.”WITNESSED DEFINITION: to see an event take place. "a bartender who witnessed the murder,” to be present at an event from personal observation.Therefore, using the definition of “Witnessed,” that you used, then when you said “We Witnessed” the Creation Story, you were comically and blatantly WRONG because we were not there at the time our serial killer Jesus, as God, did His 6 day creation! Get it Bible fool? ROFLOL!
Witnessed through science......
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Well you have the right to believe that is what he said.
But all in all, you are just repeating yourself, and you are not taking my arguments literally, because you know your wrong.
People use the word ME while narrating a lot. It's called narrating dialogue in a story.
Maybe you should talk to God more, or read the bible more before you claim certain things, that are undeniably true.
Everyone else has moved on from this verse, why don't you?
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they want us out of politics and stuff, honestly the way to do that is to give us what we want, which isnt too difficult.So, give us what we want, and we will stay out of your politics...….great...….not a threat at all.No, I dont believe in objective morality. Humans are crazy, Humans are great, and Humans are also pure evil. Nobody is perfect.So we should just all go around killing people, gottcha.....pretty much just a right to safety and freedom like everyone else, y'know?I'm pretty sure the LGBTQ+ community has just as much rights as everyone else.it would be interesting to watch it, but it would probably just make me mad. Ben Shapiro and Matt Walsh are skilled debaters and sometimes I think like "hey thats a good point!" then I get mad at myself for accidentally agreeing with something I dont agree with. I need to remember that not only are they debaters, they are also skilled manipulators.So you get mad at people who make a good point?Another person you should watch, is Rob Smith. He is an outright Gay man, who is against the LGBTQ+ movement.I think its very normal for societies to change very frequently. 150 yrs ago slavery existed in the U.S, then, suddenly it stopped. Difference?Yes. Slavery didn't happen all over the world from the beginning of human civilization. Two Genders did.I personally have everything I need. I am unhappy in my body, but I am not desperate enough for surgery or hormones.So let me get this strait. People who are unhappy about their body's, should get there organs removed to make them feel better about themselves?Yea...… a great solution.
Well what evidence do I need to have for this?
there are asexuals, and there are "true" asexuals. regular asexuals do not like sex but don't necessarily hate it. "true" asexuals literally have no reproductive hormones telling them to go out and mate. I am a "regular" asexual. "true" asexuals are very rare. "True" asexuals are usually called Nullsexual.…hold on let me process this for a second.....So your telling me, that their are people born out there, with no reproductive hormones??And the fact that someone doesn't like sex means they have to identify as something else.Why cant someone just Identify as "a female who doesn't like sex"?
Well, I tried to research, people without hormones, but couldn't find anything, because it is not true.
Personally, if you are banning trans surgery and "cutting off healthy breasts and penises" like they say, Why allow other cosmetic surgeries such as augmentations and plastic surgery? Difference?Plastic surgery doesn't cause you major health problems, and doesn't chop off pieces of your body just to make you feel better about yourself.
"The mortality rate for outpatient surgery is 0.25–0.50 per 100,000 procedures."
"Using a sample comprised of 98% of all individuals who underwent SRS in Denmark from 1978 through 2010, this study found somatic morbidity in 19.1% of the study group before and 23.2% after SRS. Mortality rates were 9.6%, with an average age at death of 53.5 years."
It is way more dangerous and unneeded.
Also, plastic surgery, has health benefits. Gender reassignment surgery does not.
there are asexuals, and there are "true" asexuals. regular asexuals do not like sex but don't necessarily hate it. "true" asexuals literally have no reproductive hormones telling them to go out and mate. I am a "regular" asexual. "true" asexuals are very rare. "True" asexuals are usually called Nullsexual.
These are just names that people have given themselves, just because they feel a certain way. No evidence needed. Plus also no such thing as born with no reproductive hormones.
a popular anti-trans argument is "Why would you cut off a completely healthy penis/breasts?" So, why would cut off a completely healthy intersex penis? Because it doesnt have testicles? If you want to "fix" the female part of it, where do the testicles come from now? A "male" has to live the rest of their life without testicles, never to reproduce? The person wont reproduce anyway, so what's the point? Why "fix" them? theres no point.
Yea support the argument of cutting of penises and breasts is ok for everyone, by using 0.018% of the population. Bad argument.
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.YouFound_Lxam, the number 2 Bible fool of this Religion Forum,THE STATEMENT IN QUESTION TOLD BY JESUS: ”But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.” (Luke 19:27)YOUR RESPONSE TO OUR BRUTAL SERIAL KILLER JESUS IN BEING GOD TO THE STATEMENT IN QUESTION ABOVE: "Jesus in fact did say that. But he didn't claim that. He was telling a story, therefore saying those words, but not claiming those words. He was in fact a narrator in the parable. Saying that Jesus said that, would be like saying a narrator, who narrates," I killed a man" actually killed a man".Good boy, you remedied your Bible ignorance in now saying that Jesus DID say the statement in question above, where before you said He didn't! DUH! LOL!JESUS SAID IN THE "FIRST PERSON:" "Bring hither, and slay them before me!" He couldn't help but to CLAIM in what He said, because He said it! GET IT? Furthermore, parable or not, Jesus said to bring His enemies that do not want Him to reign over Him, and slay them before "ME," key word, "ME," which is Jesus! Therefore, your insidious notion of Jesus "not claiming those words of action to Him " falls flat upon its ass, understood Bible fool?
So you are claiming that the narrator of the story, is the one commiting the sin?
Again Jesus said this, but he said it as the narrator.
DEFENSE ATTORNEY: "Your honor, my client Steve Smith said to his friends to bring his enemy Joe Blow in front of him, and murder him on the spot, would Steve Smith still be considered an accomplice and/or an accessory to murder?"JUDGE: YES!OUTCOME: Jesus SINNED in making said statement and therefore not without sin, went against Exodus 20:13, and shows our serial killer Jesus as not ever loving and forgiving like the Bible erroneously states, period!
And as always, your comments are more amusing to me, than hurtful. I actually find them really funny. It puts a smile on my face.
THE STATEMENT IN QUESTION TOLD BY JESUS IN THE "FIRST PERSON": ”But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.” (Luke 19:27)When Jesus specifically stated the above statement, why did He "wussy out" and didn't bring forth His enemies Himself to slay before Him, as it is Jesus' position to do so in the first place in the following passage: JESUS SAID: "Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.”(Romans 12:19)YouFound_Lxam, address this contradicting situation shown above for us.YOU MAY BEGIN:
Well I actually have already answered this, by saying the Jesus was the narrator in that parable, and he said that as the narrator.
So, how long are you going to be running away from my post #23 where the Bible states with specificity that the earth as it is now, and the universe, is approximately 6000 years old? Are you that SCARED and NERVOUS to address it in front of the membership? Do you need help from another Bible fool equal to you? Explain your RUNAWAY status! BEGIN:
No it doesn't state this. That is why I haven't answered this question.
1. First thing Bible fool, creation was 6 DAYS, because Jesus as our serial killer God RESTED upon the 7th day, where you have the audacity to now say a day is a thousand years with the Creation Story, therefore God rested for a 1000 years on the 7th day???? Understood Bible inept fool? LOL!
Yes the creation story was interpreted as 6 days, but the whole creation story took place in 7 including the day God rested.
2. Secondly, which contradicting Creation narrative are you referring to, Genesis 1 or 2?
Both....because it's the same creation story....
3. Thirdly, even if you use your out of context "Day Age Theory," that only takes 7000 years off of the total time of the earth and universe existing between Adam and the present time, which is now facetiously 13,000 years, as I have shown you in the chronological order from Adam to Jesus, and Jesus to the present day, which goes directly against the dinosaurs existing 66 million years ago, GET IT?
I have already answered this question multiple times, to multiple people. "get it?"
4. Then if you haven't removed one foot to insert the other in your comical presentation, you state that "we" actually witnessed the Creation narrative as you have shown in your quote above! Huh? LOL! EXPLAIN:
No, we didn't. Where did you get that presumption.
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So Jesus did the act which led to the loss of the pigs. Thanks for confirming it.
Well I tried to explain it to you, but you are just so defiant in hearing truth.
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The rioters weren’t taking their cues from anyone else, they were taking them from Trump. We know because they told us so.
Conspiracy?
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@oromagi
And if your gonna go with a left leaning article to prove Trump is bad, then your gonna wanna work on more research.
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@FLRW
During President Donald Trump's tenure in the White House, the national debt grew by some $7.8 trillion—or nearly 40 percent compared to the amount when former President Barack Obama. left office in January 2017. So you think Trump giving himself a big tax break was a good idea? Remember that the last smart republican president, Eisenhower, had a tax rate of 91 percent for the rich.
You can't compare the end of one president's term, to the whole presidency of another's. How much did the national debt grow under Obama?
Oh thats right.....8.6 trillion.
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The case however is quite simple. Trump spent months before the election telling his followers the election was going to be stolen, then on election night before the votes had been even counted declared victory. He then spent the following months amplifying every conspiracy theory under the sun continuing to rally his supporters until January 6th where he invited all of his followers to March onto the capital to “fight like hell, or you’re not going to have a country anymore”.
Actually, Trump literally told his fans, to "peacefully protest" down at the capitol.
This is where the MAGA cultists jump in; “but he said March peacefully!” which is of course complete bullshit. They showed up because they were pissed and ready to cause a ruckus. No one in their right mind heard that one sentence and thought “oh, I guess we’re not supposed to actually fight”. Trump understood this very well, which is why he said it, because he knew his followers would point to that one sentence to claim innocence. It’s called a false exculpatory, and it’s a classic tactic used by the mob to confuse the jury.
Well how do you know Trump was using this tactic? It's not bull, because he literally said peacefully protest.
It’s also absurd to tell people that their voice has been stolen from them by people who don’t care about them, and the remedy to that is to yell really loud.
So it's wrong to yell and peacefully protests?
Well both the left and right, have done it and it's an American right.
And if you need more evidence that the crowd was taking their cues from Trump just watch all of the video footage of the rioters themselves telling police officers that they were there on behalf of Trump and reading Trump’s tweets with a blowhorn to an animated crowd reacting to it.
For a guy who makes fun of Trump for making "conspiracy's" you really have a lot of your own.
At the end of the day you have the choice to ignore all of this no matter how obvious it is. And if that’s the case here’s one final thought experiment… imagine if in early November 2020 Trump had done what every losing presidential candidate before him did; concede the election, congratulated his opponent, and orchestrated an orderly transition. Just imagine. Do you seriously believe January 6th would have still happened?
Well, yes. There are a lot of supporters of Trump, who are not the most sane people in the world. But I could say the same for any president.
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