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@Best.Korea
If a man thinks he is a 6 year old girl, who am I to tell him that he is not?
Factual evidence, of his existence.................
Also, I know your back to your trolling faze again so I won't continue this argument lol.
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@Vegasgiants
It's not the same. The womb is not a machine.
The womb helps the fetus to survive, because it is not viable.
The machine helps the adult to survive, because the adult is not viable.
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@Best.Korea
In consequences.
No, tell me.
How are gender and age different.
I am curious to how you will answer this question.
It should be legal, yes, but its not. So you cannot do it.
You think it should be legal for 50-year-old who identify as 13-year-olds to have sexual relations with 13-year-olds, who are legitimately only 13 years old?
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@Vegasgiants
And yet they surviveA 20 week.old fetus can not survive even with those machines
You're obviously not getting the comparison.
Fetus/womb : Adult/Machine.
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@Vegasgiants
Life has always existed.
How do you know life has always existed?
Time had to start at some point.
We can measure time using space.
So, we know there was a starting point for time.
Without time life can't exist, so what evidence do you have of life always have been existing.
I have evidence of evolution
Evolution:
Let me ask you this.
A woodpecker has its tongue wrapped around its brain. Can you find any other bird that has any trait similar to that, and any evidence of how that woodpecker evolved to be that way?
Also
Termites can't digest their own food. So instead, they have super tiny insects inside them that digest the food for them, and in turn get fed. One can't live without the other. So which one evolved first?
Now short-term evolution makes logical sense. Slowly wolves can evolve into many different types of dogs and such.
But long-term evolution, like horses to whales don't make sense. Those are purely guesses based on bones that look similar.
The singularity always had the building blocks.
Great. You have the building blocks. But those blocks had to of been made somewhere.
You have none of God
My evidence for God is us, and the universes existence itself.
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@Vegasgiants
So what? We set the line at the ability to survive outside the womb
You set the line at viability because the sole fact that the fetus can't survive outside the womb.
That reason is flawed because there are many examples of adult humans who for all their lives have lived off of machines and can't survive outside their environment.
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@Stephen
Your reply to me is just a repetition of how you think I am wrong. No rebuttal to my argument to I have nothing left to rebut.
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@Vegasgiants
Because you say so? You created a nagical being and thenmake up magical rules about him?Life is infiniteAt least I have evidence of life
Not because I say so.
I did not create a magical being.
And I did not create magical rules about him.
The very fact that human life exists is proof for God.
Our brains are so complex that even the smartest and fastest supercomputer that we built can't keep up with them.
Let me ask you this," What takes more faith to believe in?":
A big explosion came out of nowhere, and eventually created humans who are so complex that structure of our brains is incomprehensible.
Or
God created the explosion, and created the life that is so complex that no natural force can create alone.
If you take apart a watch, and you put all the pieces of that watch in a box, and you shake that box forever and ever, you will never get a watch no matter how long you do it for.
It takes more faith for your idea of how the universe came to be, than it takes for my idea of how the universe came to be.
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@Vegasgiants
No fetus has ever survived outside the womb at 20 weeks.That's a good place to draw the line
No adult who uses machines to live has ever survived off that machine.
Thats a good place to draw the line.
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@Vegasgiants
No. They're fine as long as they can surviveBut if the have a eeg like a 20 week old fetus we pull the plug
Ok, I don't understand the second line of what you said, because of bad grammar, but I will rebuttal to the first line.
Fetuses can survive as well.
A fetus using the mother to survive is the same as a fully grown adult using a machine to survive, viability wise.
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@Vegasgiants
So it was created by god? Who created god?You need magic to answer that question
In the universe we live in something cannot come from nothing.
But God isn't bound by our laws of physics and rules of reality. He created those laws and rules for us.
Meaning that God didn't have a creator, because he is the creator.
God is infinite. It's hard for us to comprehend. But God always was, and forever will be.
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@Stephen
Ok so what is the literal interpretation for Peter's metaphoric "thousand years"?
The metaphor in this verse is representing the fact that how God perceives time is different than how we perceive time.
We exist in time. God exists outside of time.
Therefore the 6 days representation God gave us could have been thousands, millions or billions of years in our perception.
Then if you line it up with scientific fact it is safe to say that the answer of 13.4 billion years old seems factual biblically and scientifically.
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@Stephen
So how old is the earth and where have your plucked you figure from if not the bible?
From scientific analysis, I believe the universe to be about 13.4 billion years old.
And I also believe that the bible does not contradict this fact.
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@John_C_87
What makes the 20-week fetus a citizen of the United States of America? Is there a social security number that has been issued?Pregnancy abortion is a United States Federal immigration issue and is held as that way by United State Consitutional Right of Female-Sepcific Amputation.
Your whole argument is beaten by the fact that there are billions of people who are not citizens of the USA in the world, who are valuable humans.
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@Vegasgiants
The fact that it can't live outside the mom even with extraordinary medical interventionBy the way all of that is pretty comparable for every animalValuable is a opinion. That's mine
So, viability is why it is worthless.
Ok, well how about humans who live off of machines who cannot survive without extreme medical intervention. Are they worthless and un-valuable human lives?
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@Best.Korea
Now you are talking about trans age, not trans gender. The two are very different.
How so?
Of course, I believe that you can identify as a 13 year-old. That would be your trans age. If you are able to date a 13 year old depends on the laws of your country, not on your trans age.
No.
If you accept the idea that a 50-year-old can become a 13-year-old, then you also accept the idea that it should be possible for that 50-year-old to have relations with another 13-year-old.
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@Vegasgiants
I don't know. But so what? If you claim God did that show me the evidence. If you can't show the evidence the claim is WE DONT KNOW WHAT HAPPENED
You know the answer, but it contradicts what Atheists claim, that simply just an explosion created our complex selves.
Explosions destroy things.
See you found all the ingredients for life but can't find a baker.
You can dump all the ingredients for a cookie in a bowl, and mix it forever and ever, but without the baker cookies won't be made, let alone humans with minds that even us cannot comprehend.
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@Stephen
6 x 1000 does not amount to 13.4 billion years.
How many times do I have to spell it out for you, and you completely ignore what I say.
It's
A
Metaphor.
The Beginning1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.
In the beginning: Time
God created the heavens: Space
and the earth: Matter
THEN god rested for a "day" - another thousand years.
Again, not a literal thousand years.
It is a metaphor.
2 Peter 3:8-9 NIV states," But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead, he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance."Should 2 Peter 3:8-9 be taken literally?
No, because the use of the word like means that this verse is being used as a metaphor.
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@Vegasgiants
Morally 20 weeks. No fetus has survived born by that point
Ok.
So, let's look at a 20-week-old fetus:
"At 20 weeks, baby is almost 6 3/4 inches (17 centimeters) from the top of the head to the bottom of the buttocks (known as the crown-rump length), and the baby's height is approximately 9 1/2 inches (24.3 centimeters) from the top of the head to the heel (crown-heel length).1 This week, a baby weighs a little more than 11 1/2 ounces (330 grams).
Female: The development of human egg cells begins long before birth. The number of eggs in the ovaries is at its peak around 20 weeks, with about six to seven million eggs. This number decreases from this point on and continues to go down throughout life.3
- Blackburn S. Maternal, Fetal, and Neonatal Physiology E-book: A Clinical Perspective. Elsevier Health Sciences.
- Male: The testes are still in the abdomen, preparing to move to the inguinal area (groin) to begin their descent. However, the testes typically do not descend into the scrotum until the third trimester.
- The protective layer of vernix continues to build on the skin.
- Hair follicles are getting longer.5
- Eccrine sweat glands begin to form.5
- The gallbladder is producing bile, which helps to digest nutrients."
So according to this, what makes the 20-week-old fetus not valuable. I mean it has all of its defining characteristics laid out already.
What specifically makes the 20-week-old fetus un-valuable.
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@Vegasgiants
Because it makes them feel better and they experience sex differently
So, why push this on kids then?
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@Best.Korea
No. The wish of having certain genitals does.
So, if I wish to be 13 years old and have relations with 13-year-olds, does that make me 13 years old, and able to have relations with 13-year-olds?
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@Reece101
Ladies keep telling me all the time that their tits don’t define who they are.
But they intrinsically do.
They may not define who they are as a person (personality), but they do literally define who you are.
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@IlDiavolo
I almost shit my pants laughing at what you just said. 🤣In all seriousness, stop already thinking that the bible can explain everything in this life. That's ludicrous!!! I acknowledge that the bible is a source of inspiration for millions of people but that's all, it's only a self-help set of books, no more no less. Get over it!!
So, that just shows that you literally didn't account for anything I just proved to you.
Typical.
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@Vegasgiants
Explosions happen all the time. No God required
Do explosions create life or destruction?
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@ludofl3x
A thousand is a specific number, is it not? It doesn't say "innumerable years," it says THIS NUMBER OF YEARS.
Do.
You.
Know.
What.
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Metaphor.
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@ludofl3x
but a thousand years is an equation, not a metaphor.
How do you know?
Again, we are talking reference to Gods perspective.
And Gods perspective works differently than ours.
. The metaphor says it's like a thousand years. It does not say "a day for god is like 223 million years."
Ok, I don't know if you passed middle school, but that's literally the whole point of a metaphor. It isn't to be taken literally.
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@Vegasgiants
Wherever the state sets the limit. Because we say so. That's how democracy works
I'm talking about morally. Where would the moral limit have to be set.
If the state says its ok to murder someone if they are a certain race, would that be ok?
No because that is morally wrong. So where should the limit be set morally.
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@Best.Korea
Gender is defined by what you wish to be.For example, girl who is born in boy's body. She wants to have a vagina. Her penis doesnt define her wish, it merely leaves the wish unfullfilled as long as she doesnt get vagina.Of course, not all trans remove their genitals.
So, do genitals define gender?
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@Vegasgiants
People change genders and don't remove their genitals
My point exactly.
So why does removing them affirm it.
Why the push for these surgeries, when simply put, these people who feel like a different gender could just stay how they are, but still be considered that gender.
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@IlDiavolo
Don't you think it's pathetic to recur to science just so Christianity has a little bit of credibility
Christianity has a lot of credibility.
For one, the bible was written over a span of 2000 years, but has over 63,000 cross references.
Secondly, all reliable biblical scholars and even some atheist ones agree without a shadow of a doubt on Jesus's existence.
And things like Noah's Ark, letters to King David, and many more Biblical artifacts have been found to prove its legitimacy.
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@ludofl3x
Okay, so 6 * 1000 = 6000.
Did you read what I said at all?
I literally bolded the word like.
But in Revelations, it says that one day for God is like (metaphor) a thousand years for us.
Meaning that this is not literal, but simply a Metaphor.
A metaphor that shows that time for God is different than time for us.
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@Vegasgiants
Christianity requires faith not evidenceScience requires evidence not faith
Not necessarily.
Science claims that the Big Bang was not produced by any God. Or that is at least what Atheists claim.
Takes a lot of faith to believe that everything came from a meaningless explosion, and that no higher force caused it.
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@Intelligence_06
It is only a matter of interpretation and it is especially harmful the deliberately anti-science interpretations. Like "literally believing" God made from the core to the biosphere in 6 days, because all evidence would be circular reasoning, as it would have come from nowhere except historical scrolls and organized transcripts from them.
The Biblical text lines up with scientific fact.
In the Bible, when it talks about Gods perspective, we have to look at it in a different way then we view human perspectives.
So, when the Bible says the universe was created in 6 days, that is from Gods perspective, because there were no humans around.
And in 2 Peter 3:8 (sorry I got the verse wrong before) it says," But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."
So, Gods perception of Time works differently than ours, if I can even call it a perception.
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@Barney
Ok, but the same people who get these surgery's done are the same ones who say their genitals don't define them.
I mean, some people can't afford that surgery or can't get it because of health reasons.
So, is that person considered with the gender they assign themselves?
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Ahhhh, the abortion argument.
An interesting debate.
Whether a life is considered valuable even in the womb.
It is indeed a life, that is for sure. Becomes a life at conception. We can all agree on that fact.
But where people disagree, is whether it is valuable or not.
Now, human life is valuable, and that's why we made murder illegal. So, is a fetus, or zygote considered human life?
Well, by definition it is. It is a life................that is human.
So, now the argument isn't whether human life is valuable or not, it is now about how some human life is valuable, while some isn't.
And for that, we are going to need some standards.
At what point does a human life become valuable?
Well, some consider birth that point.
But this doesn't make logical sense, because if you are arguing that, then you are saying that just minutes before the child emerged from the mother, it wouldn't have been valuable, and therefore you would be justified to kill it.
I mean, if it was halfway out of the mother, would only one half of the baby be valuable?
It just doesn't make sense to stand on that notion.
So, at what point does the life become valuable then?
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@Stephen
The Bible says in Genisis, that it took God 6 days to create everything.
But in Revelations, it says that one day for God is like (metaphor) a thousand years for us.
So, putting two and two together, the metaphor the Bible uses, shows us that time works differently for God.
Or rather, God isn't restricted by time, because he created it.
So, when the Bible says that it took God 6 days to make the universe, for us it could have been perceived as 13.4 billion years.
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I saw a very interesting debate on the page recently and wanted to discuss it.
Do Science and Christianity contradict each other?
I don't think they do, but I am open to discussion.
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If your genitals don't define your gender, then why does removing them affirm your gender?
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@Stephen
My point is very clear. The BIBLE clearly states- on many occasions - that there are more than one god in the BIBLE
Plain and simple. It doesn't.
Tell me you bible dunce; if there are no other gods as mentioned in the BIBLE, who does your god have to be "jealous " of?
"For thou shall worship no other god" means:
Than the Lord their God, the one only living and true God, which was the first command given to the people of Israel, and binding upon all men
"for the Lord whose name is Jealous, [is] a jealous God;" means:
his name and nature answer to one another; he admits of no rival or competitor in worship; he will not give his glory to another god, or one so called, nor his praise to graven images; and in this he is distinguished from all nominal and fictitious gods, who have many joined with them, and are rivals of them, which gives them no concern, because insensible; but it is otherwise with the Lord, who knows the dishonour done him, and resents it, and is as jealous of any worship being given to another, as the husband is of the honour of his marriage bed; for idolatry is spiritual adultery, as is suggested in the following verse.
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@SkepticalOne
Absolutely - without hesitation.
.......................you know he literally can't talk, walk, or be a normal human being, right?
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@Stephen
Yes. I was wondering when you was going to get around to "definitions" and "meanings" when on the back foot.. This is another default used often by theists, this happens to be a particularly favourite used by that other bible dunce the Reverend Tradesecret.
Are you an alt-account to Brother D? I mean it seems like it. You're the only one who supports him (yourself) and you talk almost exactly like him.
Besides the point...............what's your point here?
If there is only one god in the BIBLE as you insist, what had your all singing all dancing god have to be jealous of? Exodus34:14
Do not worship any other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God. (Exodus 34:14).
Brother............you just played yourself.
And God said, let us make man in our image.
Ok, respond to this one:
God is referencing the Trinity:
God the Father
God the Son
God the Holy Spirit.
See?
And the Lord God said, Behold, then man is become as one of us, to know good and evil. Genesis 3:22Let us go down, and there confound their language. Genesis 11:7The Old Testament God is a "god of gods" who is worshiped by the other gods.
Same deal here.
For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords. Deuteronomy 10:17Worship him, all ye gods. Psalm 97:7O give thanks unto the God of gods. Psalm 136:2
When you say God of gods, it does not mean other literal gods, it means idols that people make god of their own lives.
Among the gods there is none like unto thee, O Lord. Psalm 86:8He is better than the other gods.Who is like unto thee, O LORD, among the gods? Exodus 15:11Now I know that the LORD is greater than all gods. Exodus 18:11Thou shalt have no other gods before me. ... Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them. Exodus 20:3-5Great is our God above all other gods. 2 Chronicles 2:5Our Lord is above all gods. Psalm 135:5The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth, even they shall perish from the earth, and from under these heavens. Jeremiah 10:11
Same deal here as well.
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@Mps1213
Nothing you said disproves my final point. The earth is warming (likely naturally) we need to not aid that warming as much as possible.
Ok, but just like if we stopped everything it wouldn't make an impact, not stopping would do the same thing. Nothing would change.
We have increased temperature by .8 kelvin from CO2 emissions alone.
We? Show me how we have done that. Humans alone have done that? Maybe it's just a warming of the earth. We had a freeze of the earth. Was that caused by humans too? Why is the total temperature just simply caused by us?
That is a very, very little amount. However we need to not continue to do that, because as it warms naturally, it will release more CO2 into the atmosphere that is stored by glaciers.
"As it warms naturally". Yes, the earth warms naturally. And our contribution to it, is in the 0.001 percent rages. Nothing we do to stop or contribute to it is going to matter.
We need to not be a piece in that equation if possible. So even though we have had very little effect as of now, doesn’t mean we won’t down the line.
No, we won't because our rate of producing is astronomically smaller than the earth's natural rate of warming.
We need to stop emitting CO2 so we can lower our impact on a naturally warming world.
Yes. We need to enforce laws, on restrictions of CO2 levels so that we can decrease the worlds CO2 levels by 0.001 percent. Good luck trying to convince other countries like China (who has worse pollution than us) of that.
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@SkepticalOne
Republicans are much too extreme currently. I anticipate voting Dem.
So, you would vote for Biden, over any Republican Canidate?
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@Mps1213
CO2 warms the atmosphere.
Ok.
when the earth gets too warm, it can do very unpredictable things.
(Capitalize your "W"). It can.
Dansgaard-Oeschger
Dansgaard-Oeschger events are rapid climate fluctuations that occurred 25 times during the last glacial period. The last glacial period lasted just about 115,000 to 11,700 years long. Now, your argument would make sense if the fluctuations gradually started to rise more dramatically than ever, once humans started using fossil fuels, and things of that matter. But we know that can't be true, because it has fluctuated down and up in temperature not just up.
Where a feed back loop started and the earth slowly warmed up, until it got too warm. Then it would snap, causing 5-15 temperature raises globally in less than 10 years.
I mean, this is what they scared us with 50, 40, 30, and even 20, years ago, and climate change activists and people in power are still trying to scare us with it today.
It never happened before when they said it, why is it any different now?
Other events went the other way, where temperatures dropped by 18 degrees in some cases globally. We as a species need to make sure we are contributing to this issue as little as possible, by limiting our emissions, among other things, we can do that. Just because something isn’t a problem now doesn’t mean it won’t become one in the future.
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@Stephen
There you are, and by your own hand too; "among the gods" PLURAL!?
Did you not get the Title?
"The gods" in this verse does not represent actual Gods, but is a nameplate for the story. The person who is calling them "the Gods"? Not God, but a human.
Your above cut and paste is about MEN and their relationship with god or to be more precise, a judgment from God and how the people of the Bible must follow the Law of God, when what is in dispute here is the FACT that you are denying that the BIBLE itself clearly speaks of their being more than one god.
Ask any legitimate biblical scholar, or even an atheist scholar who has researched the bible, if the bible speaks of their being more than on God. Clearly you don't understand that words (while have the same definitions) can have different, meanings.
AND, when In fact GOD of the BIBLE himself is speaking of there being more than one god.
Again. It was a story about Asaph. He was talking, not God.
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@zedvictor4
Given what we actually know about human biology.I think that it is more accurate to conclude that it would have been impossible for Adam and Eve to create a separate line of descendants in the land of Nod.
First of all, Adam and Eve did exist. We can prove this using common logic.
Using common logic of course, we cannot concur what their names were, except from reference to the bible, but we can prove that they existed.
You had a dad, and you dad had a dad, and etc.
Human population increases as time moves on, so it is safe to assume that the population decreases if we go backwards.
Meaning at some point or another (whether you believe in long term evolution) there were indeed two humans, male and female.
So, Nod and it's people remain an insurmountable contradiction at the very basis of the biblical social hypothesis.
It's not a contradiction.
A contradiction is something without a shadow of a doubt disproves or provides evidence to the contrary of a certain story or idea.
Not knowing the exact way, the people of Nod came to be in their place in the world is not a contradiction.
There are many tribes in the world, that we don't know how they came to that area or island. Is that a contradiction to history?
As for where they came from, they obviously came from Adam and Eve, as did all humans.
We can use "guesses and ideas" to explain anything.Therefore you can guess and idea you way out of any biblical contradiction....Thereby not proving anything other than the futility of the exercise.
Again, not a contradiction.
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@Mps1213
The study you read is misleading. CO2 is one of the most important greenhouse gasses in our atmosphere. So of course if we increase the concentration of it in our atmosphere, it will exert a warming effect. However warming isn’t the only thing that CO2 emissions effect. It’s also not including plastics and their effect on environment and climate. There are many other aspects to the human input on climate than just CO2. You’re not talking about methane, particulate matter, etc.Also if you’re talking about temperature change alone, then sure it may not change much. However if you look ocean acidification then our emissions play a huge role. If the oceans become much more acidified a lot of climate regulating life in the ocean will die, which will cause other problems.
Not listening.
I am not talking about what is causing it.
I am saying that even if every human on earth did everything in their power to stop it, it would change almost nothing, so why the push for everyone going carbon neutral and other things like that?
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@zedvictor4
Nonetheless, this doesn't explain the contradiction that is the people of Nod.
Not a contradiction. Just something that is explainable through guesses and ideas, but not completely a contradiction. It is possible that Adam and Eve had kids after Cain and Able, and they grew up and made a nation "Nod" before Able was killed.
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@Stephen
So are you saying then that the king James Bible Version has mistranslated the original verse? And that the KJV is wrong?Ok, now show us your source/s.
So are you saying then that the king James Bible Version has mistranslated the original verse? And that the KJV is wrong?Ok, now show us your source/s.
A psalm of Asaph.
1 God presides in the great assembly;
he renders judgment among the “gods”:
There were a number of Levites that King David assigned as worship leaders in the tabernacle choir, according to 1 Chronicles 6:31–32. Asaph was one of these men (1 Chronicles 6:39). Asaph’s duties are described in detail in 1 Chronicles 16. According to 2 Chronicles 29:30, both Asaph and David were skilled singers and poets. Asaph is also mentioned as a “seer” or prophet. The “sons of Asaph” are mentioned in 1 Chronicles 25:1, 2 Chronicles 20:14, and Ezra 2:41. The sons of Asaph were likely a guild of skilled poets and singers, modeling themselves musically after Asaph, their master. The church musicians of our day can be considered spiritual “children of Asaph.”
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